MyAwesomePrizeAlias
Footballguy
Both are great weapons, but Bush is going to get a ton of catches... and he's a gamebreaker. He very well could be the first rookie to go #1 in most FF drafts. 
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Bush or LT #1 overall next year? (1 Viewer)
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BoneYardDog
Footballguy
You have got to be 
He would be lucky to go in the first round...
He would be lucky to go in the first round...
GregStarling
Footballguy
and we got one on the hook
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I dont disagree, but after LT, i think some offseason moves could affect 2-4. I would think James and/or SA will not be playing for thei current team. LJ's value may not be as high as it is now if half of KC's oline retires, not to mention Vermiel.(i am not concerned about Priest coming back however)In no particular order:
LT LJ SA Edge then
Marc Levin
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
To turn this into an *actual* discussion:The hype machine could put Reggie Bush 6th overall next year.In no particular order:
LT LJ SA Edge then
If you look at points per game *this* year...the first five next year are pretty obvious. You go LT/LJ/SA (whatever order they go in), then Edge, and then Lamont Jordan.
But after that, what do you do? Everyone else in the top 10 has a problem.
Tiki Barber: Would be *my* #6, but will be 31.5 next year, and there's a goalline vulture.
Priest Holmes: Obviously, if LJ is the starter, his value plummets.
Domanick Davis: Might lose his job to Reggie Bush.
Sam Gado: Might not have a job next year
Rudi Johnson: Perry gets more and more of his carries next year?
Here's the argument that can be made for Bush at #6 overall (assuming he goes to Houston):
1) Domanick Davis is the #7 RB in PPG, if you take away Priest Holmes already. Bush could be than Davis, so he could quite possibly be #6.
2) There's too many question marks with the RBs above.
3) The Houston system is built for Bush. It's a run first, run second, dump off to RB third system, and that's why DD has succeeded. Imagine a stud RB in that backfield...with possible improvements at OL by trading Domanick.
Anyway, let's hope that starts some discussion, at least.
MyAwesomePrizeAlias
Footballguy
In a PPR league, you could make an argument that Bush is better than SA or at least on the same level. LJ also has a bunch of question marks at this point and the number of touches Edge is getting is reaching record levels so people may shy away from him.That brings us back to LT versus Bush for #1 overall.To turn this into an *actual* discussion:The hype machine could put Reggie Bush 6th overall next year.In no particular order:
LT LJ SA Edge then
If you look at points per game *this* year...the first five next year are pretty obvious. You go LT/LJ/SA (whatever order they go in), then Edge, and then Lamont Jordan.
But after that, what do you do? Everyone else in the top 10 has a problem.
Tiki Barber: Would be *my* #6, but will be 31.5 next year, and there's a goalline vulture.
Priest Holmes: Obviously, if LJ is the starter, his value plummets.
Domanick Davis: Might lose his job to Reggie Bush.
Sam Gado: Might not have a job next year
Rudi Johnson: Perry gets more and more of his carries next year?
Here's the argument that can be made for Bush at #6 overall (assuming he goes to Houston):
1) Domanick Davis is the #7 RB in PPG, if you take away Priest Holmes already. Bush could be than Davis, so he could quite possibly be #6.
2) There's too many question marks with the RBs above.
3) The Houston system is built for Bush. It's a run first, run second, dump off to RB third system, and that's why DD has succeeded. Imagine a stud RB in that backfield...with possible improvements at OL by trading Domanick.
Anyway, let's hope that starts some discussion, at least.
Doesn't it?
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Then make it. You keep saying that, yet offer no real substance.You're telling me than Reggie Bush is better than 23 PPG. That's extreme...bordering on ridiculous. That's 100 total yards, 5 catches, and 1.33 TDs a *game*. SA is the second-best fantasy back of his generation...to put Bush up there is bordering on insane.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Ladies and gentlemen. The hype machine just exploded. Please cease and desist any discussion about Reggie Bush being the second coming of Jesus until we can make repairs.Thank you,The Reggie Bush Managment Team
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stevetrash
Footballguy
this is one of THE most absurd threads I've ever seen on a fantasy football messageboard.
DoctorDetroit
Chocolate Thunder
Good post Keys.Look at least offer an argument with some credence. This is a joke. LJ has which question marks? Did you watch him or see the statline vs Denver? How is SA below Bush in a PPR league? You're telling me Carr can get him the ball 50 times? Honestly I don't care if you'reIn a PPR league, you could make an argument that Bush is better than SA or at least on the same level. LJ also has a bunch of question marks at this point and the number of touches Edge is getting is reaching record levels so people may shy away from him.That brings us back to LT versus Bush for #1 overall.To turn this into an *actual* discussion:The hype machine could put Reggie Bush 6th overall next year.In no particular order:
LT LJ SA Edge then
If you look at points per game *this* year...the first five next year are pretty obvious. You go LT/LJ/SA (whatever order they go in), then Edge, and then Lamont Jordan.
But after that, what do you do? Everyone else in the top 10 has a problem.
Tiki Barber: Would be *my* #6, but will be 31.5 next year, and there's a goalline vulture.
Priest Holmes: Obviously, if LJ is the starter, his value plummets.
Domanick Davis: Might lose his job to Reggie Bush.
Sam Gado: Might not have a job next year
Rudi Johnson: Perry gets more and more of his carries next year?
Here's the argument that can be made for Bush at #6 overall (assuming he goes to Houston):
1) Domanick Davis is the #7 RB in PPG, if you take away Priest Holmes already. Bush could be than Davis, so he could quite possibly be #6.
2) There's too many question marks with the RBs above.
3) The Houston system is built for Bush. It's a run first, run second, dump off to RB third system, and that's why DD has succeeded. Imagine a stud RB in that backfield...with possible improvements at OL by trading Domanick.
Anyway, let's hope that starts some discussion, at least.
Doesn't it?
or not. This topic is idiotic when considering very few rookies ever have a true fantasy impact. Bush is no Barry Sanders, and Sanders would not have been a top five fantasy RB pick in 1988. You go ahead and draft him and let me play in your league.Randy Moss is really the only one that became a top ten option in his first year. Eric Dickerson was before fantasy became big and his 1700 yards as a rookie went underappreciated. Bush doesn't get 1700 yards. I'd bet everything I had on it. This argument is by far the worst I've ever seen in this forum. Now I know why I don't frequent these discussions.
DoctorDetroit
Chocolate Thunder
Sean Salisbury thinks Bush is a can't miss NFL RB and again...we hear the name Michael Jordan. You know what, REGGIE BUSH MAY BE THE MOST OVERRATED ATHLETE OF ALL TIME. I think he's going to be very good but this is ridiculous. ESPN is as bad as this thread.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Not that it really matters, but you're asking about new dynasty leagues, right? In a redraft this is beyond In a dynasty, while not realistic, people in my league have posted that the owner of the 1.01 rookie pick should accept nothing less than what Tomlinson goes for. I disagree, but it's closer.
In a dynasty, while not realistic, people in my league have posted that the owner of the 1.01 rookie pick should accept nothing less than what Tomlinson goes for. I disagree, but it's closer.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
The only argument against LJ I can see is if Priest is a 3rd down back at this point.And the original poster is a little excessive. But, I think Reggie is going to be a top 10 draft pick next year. Personally, I'd take him around 8th or 9th.Good post Keys.Look at least offer an argument with some credence. This is a joke. LJ has which question marks?In a PPR league, you could make an argument that Bush is better than SA or at least on the same level. LJ also has a bunch of question marks at this point and the number of touches Edge is getting is reaching record levels so people may shy away from him.That brings us back to LT versus Bush for #1 overall.To turn this into an *actual* discussion:The hype machine could put Reggie Bush 6th overall next year.In no particular order:
LT LJ SA Edge then
If you look at points per game *this* year...the first five next year are pretty obvious. You go LT/LJ/SA (whatever order they go in), then Edge, and then Lamont Jordan.
But after that, what do you do? Everyone else in the top 10 has a problem.
Tiki Barber: Would be *my* #6, but will be 31.5 next year, and there's a goalline vulture.
Priest Holmes: Obviously, if LJ is the starter, his value plummets.
Domanick Davis: Might lose his job to Reggie Bush.
Sam Gado: Might not have a job next year
Rudi Johnson: Perry gets more and more of his carries next year?
Here's the argument that can be made for Bush at #6 overall (assuming he goes to Houston):
1) Domanick Davis is the #7 RB in PPG, if you take away Priest Holmes already. Bush could be than Davis, so he could quite possibly be #6.
2) There's too many question marks with the RBs above.
3) The Houston system is built for Bush. It's a run first, run second, dump off to RB third system, and that's why DD has succeeded. Imagine a stud RB in that backfield...with possible improvements at OL by trading Domanick.
Anyway, let's hope that starts some discussion, at least.
Doesn't it?
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
There are a LOT of fools who will be drafting Bush in the first round, and you know it.You have got to be
He would be lucky to go in the first round...
LHUCKS
Footballguy
That's exactly where he'll be going...with a few big preseason runs he could sneak into the 2nd. He'll be on zero of my teams next year...and I think the kid is a stud.Both are great weapons, but Bush is going to get a ton of catches... and he's a gamebreaker. He very well could be the first rookie to go #1 in most FF drafts.
With all the hype I can see Bush going early to mid 3rd. As much as I love the kid, WAY too expensive.
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It all depends on how the rest of the season and draft pans out. If he goes to Houston and Davis gets moved somewhere else, his potential could be huge. Davis was already considered a solid first round RB this year in PPR leagues. Why couldn't Bush be better? I think you would be crazy to take him at #1, but he could have the potential to end up as the #1 RB depending on his situation. Don't forget how good this guy is.
jurb26
Footballguy
Oh boy, ruffled up the LT clain again. This is by no means as outlandish as the LT supporters would love to think though. RBs is one of if not the EASIEST of all positions to transition from college to NFL. Bush is going to be one of if not the highest ranked prospect ever at the position. Several other rookie RBs faired as well or close as the OP is debating Bush to:year, player, RB rank89, Sanders, 4 (15 games)92, Watters, 893, Bettis, 294, Faulk, 495, Martin, 296, Abdul-Jabbar, 996, George, 897, Dillon, 898, Taylor, 499, Edge, 100, M.Anderson, 4 (14 games)01, LT, 702, Portis, 4
This is by no means as outlandish as the LT supporters would love to think though. RBs is one of if not the EASIEST of all positions to transition from college to NFL. Bush is going to be one of if not the highest ranked prospect ever at the position. Several other rookie RBs faired as well or close as the OP is debating Bush to:year, player, RB rank89, Sanders, 4 (15 games)92, Watters, 893, Bettis, 294, Faulk, 495, Martin, 296, Abdul-Jabbar, 996, George, 897, Dillon, 898, Taylor, 499, Edge, 100, M.Anderson, 4 (14 games)01, LT, 702, Portis, 4
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DoctorDetroit
Chocolate Thunder
Good post. Who is the source on this? The Bettis one throws me but everything else seems right so I dig it. Abdul Jabbar. I remember that reign of terror.Oh boy, ruffled up the LT clain again.
This is by no means as outlandish as the LT supporters would love to think though. RBs is one of if not the EASIEST of all positions to transition from college to NFL. Bush is going to be one of if not the highest ranked prospect ever at the position. Several other rookie RBs faired as well or close as the OP is debating Bush to:
year, player, RB rank
89, Sanders, 4 (15 games)
92, Watter, 8
93, Bettis, 2
94, Faulk, 4
95, Martin, 2
96, Abdul-Jabbar, 9
96, George, 8
97, Dillon, 8
98, Taylor, 4
99, Edge, 1
00, M.Anderson, 4 (14 games)
01, LT, 7
02, Portis, 4
jurb26
Footballguy
Honestly, my memory and http://pro-football-reference.com/. There maybe more that I didn't recall.Good post. Who is the source on this? The Bettis one throws me but everything else seems right so I dig it. Abdul Jabbar. I remember that reign of terror.Oh boy, ruffled up the LT clain again.
This is by no means as outlandish as the LT supporters would love to think though. RBs is one of if not the EASIEST of all positions to transition from college to NFL. Bush is going to be one of if not the highest ranked prospect ever at the position. Several other rookie RBs faired as well or close as the OP is debating Bush to:
year, player, RB rank
89, Sanders, 4 (15 games)
92, Watter, 8
93, Bettis, 2
94, Faulk, 4
95, Martin, 2
96, Abdul-Jabbar, 9
96, George, 8
97, Dillon, 8
98, Taylor, 4
99, Edge, 1
00, M.Anderson, 4 (14 games)
01, LT, 7
02, Portis, 4
must of flew over your head!
jurb26
Footballguy
I voted for Bush simply because I love the knee-jerk reactions that the LT cult has in threads like this.
Point of clarification: Nobody ever claimed they would take Bush ahead of LT or SA or Edge or LJ (well outside the OP). Only that he has the potential to be the #1 RB, which he clearly does. Will that depend on situation and team.... of course. Leaf through history, rookie RBs finishing very high are not uncommon. This is the most gifted rookie we have seen in years maybe ever. Acting as though he can not finish the year ranked as the #1 players or RB is just as foolish as taking him #1 overall.
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QuickDraw McGraw
Footballguy
LT is struggling in his last few games, while Bush is lighting it up in his last few. One player is on the rise, the other player on the decline. It will be between LJ and RB for me next year, so I voted Bush
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Oh dear God.But this leads to an interesting point, though.
If *this* many people are so high on Bush before he plays an NFL down, the rest of us should be at an advantage. Obviously, people might not draft him 1st or 2nd, but maybe 3rd? Maybe 4th? Should push some good players (one of the top three, Edge, Lamont Jordan) further down in the first round.
Sound familiar?
Reggie Bush could be the Peyton Manning of 2006 redrafts.
