Bush vs. Slaton (1 Viewer)

[sportsmonkey_j]

It seems like everyone here is down on both Slaton and Bush, so lets just keep this to who you value higher in a PPR Keeper league.

I have Bush and am thinking of making a move for Slaton. I value Bush higher slightly. Even though he missed 6 games and wasnt fully healthy for the 10 he did play in, Bush caught about the same # of passes (50).

Clearly Slaton is the better runner. but Bush is good for a couple punt returns a year as well.

any thoughts?

 

[millertyme1]

It seems like everyone here is down on both Slaton and Bush, so lets just keep this to who you value higher in a PPR Keeper league.I have Bush and am thinking of making a move for Slaton. I value Bush higher slightly. Even though he missed 6 games and wasnt fully healthy for the 10 he did play in, Bush caught about the same # of passes (50).Clearly Slaton is the better runner. but Bush is good for a couple punt returns a year as well.any thoughts?

Keeper league, I think Bush has a higher floor & ceiling so I'd go with him.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

You can get some nice info about Slaton in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...461055&st=0

In a PPR, I would lean towards Bush,

although I recently traded Bush and a low 3rd

for Slaton and Vick in a non PPR.

Slaton is for real, and when Houston addresses the OLine,

he should only get better. Dude ran for 4.8 per carry in his rookie year.

Huge concern about the Bush microsurgery this offseason.

 

[sportsmonkey_j]

Yeah I read that thread. A lot of people arent impressed with Slatons future mostly because of the RBBC potential in Houston...but Bush is part of a RBBC as well. I saw all of Houstons games last year and really liked Slatons style.

You can get some nice info about Slaton in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...461055&st=0

In a PPR, I would lean towards Bush,

although I recently traded Bush and a low 3rd

for Slaton and Vick in a non PPR.

Slaton is for real, and when Houston addresses the OLine,

he should only get better. Dude ran for 4.8 per carry in his rookie year.

Huge concern about the Bush microsurgery this offseason.

 

[PitbullTD]

I value Slaton way higher than I value Bush. I own neither of them in any of my leagues, but the thing with Slaton is we know he can carry the load. Hes proven it. Bush cannot, and hes got Pierre Thomas breathing down his back.

True Slaton may go to an RBBC as well, but that has yet to be seen, and who knows how whoever Houston drafts will pan out. So right now I value Slaton alot higher than Bush.

 

[sportsmonkey_j]

In my league Bush had the most Points per game of all Rbs.

I value Slaton way higher than I value Bush. I own neither of them in any of my leagues, but the thing with Slaton is we know he can carry the load. Hes proven it. Bush cannot, and hes got Pierre Thomas breathing down his back.True Slaton may go to an RBBC as well, but that has yet to be seen, and who knows how whoever Houston drafts will pan out. So right now I value Slaton alot higher than Bush.

 

[PitbullTD]

well we must play in very different leagues, in my leagues he was:

27th Ranked RB overall, 11th Overall RB Pts per game

28th Ranked RB Overall, 9th Overall RB Pts per game (Zealots)

Slaton was as follows:

7th Ranked RB Overall, 10th Overall RB Pts per game

9th Ranked Rb Overall, 13th Overall RB Pts per game (Zealots)

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

In a keeper league I'd definitely value Slaton higher. Is he going to get worse with more experience? Are they going to keep him off the field if he keeps producing? Bush is an injury risk and I can't help but think these surgeries have to affect his speed eventually-- and what else does he have?

Even if they pair Slaton up with other runners (as most teams do) I feel like Pierre Thomas has already proven he can carry a lot of the load in New Orleans. I'm not sure the Slaton counterpart will be able to boast that kind of experience.

I think we've seen the best Bush has to offer. Slaton could still get better.

 

[Novice2]

.....Bush cannot, and hes got Pierre Thomas breathing down his back....

Which is a + for Bush imo

 

[PitbullTD]

^ Really? How so? The Saints have already said they want Thomas to carry more this season.

 

[Novice2]

^ Really? How so? The Saints have already said they want Thomas to carry more this season.

Just call me a non believer in Thomas. They may want him to carry the ball more. That doesn't mean that will carry over to fantasy greatness.

 

[PitbullTD]

^ true enough.

 

[H.K.]

You can get some nice info about Slaton in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...461055&st=0

In a PPR, I would lean towards Bush,

although I recently traded Bush and a low 3rd

for Slaton and Vick in a non PPR.

Slaton is for real, and when Houston addresses the OLine,

he should only get better. Dude ran for 4.8 per carry in his rookie year.

Huge concern about the Bush microsurgery this offseason.

Some PPR data: Bush has averaged 5.6 receptions per game in his career. Slaton averaged 3.1 RPG last season.Also, I don't think the original question can be answered until after the draft.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I'll take slaton and his good knees.

 

[TheFanatic]

There are more Slaton fans than most realize. They just don't want to get into a purse fight with the haters who seem to be much more vocal.

I have never been a Bush fan which has been evident from well before him being drafted by the Saints. Great in college with an NFL All-Pro Line but not in the NFL between the tackles. Every year Bush transitions more and more towards being a gimmick player. He will redefine what a gimmick player is but still a gimmick...

Slaton is deemed small but he played a fill season and if I remember correctly got more carries as the season went on and had a higher YPC in the 4th than he did in the previous 3 quarters. And he is definitely a pass catching threat, not as much as Bush, but Slaton can run between the tackles and that will keep him around as a starter...

 

[jojoh07]

Bush anyday , all day.

 

[TheFanatic]

Bush anyday , all day.

Could you elaborate as to why? You seem to feel strongly about it, so can you give us some support for those strong feelings?

 

[Stewy]

You can get some nice info about Slaton in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...461055&st=0

In a PPR, I would lean towards Bush,

although I recently traded Bush and a low 3rd

for Slaton and Vick in a non PPR.

Slaton is for real, and when Houston addresses the OLine,

he should only get better. Dude ran for 4.8 per carry in his rookie year.

Huge concern about the Bush microsurgery this offseason.

Address the o-line? Address what about it? They're returning all starters from last year and aside from C (which isn't happening anyway) doesn't need an upgrade.It isn't 2005 anymore.

 

[jurb26]

There are more Slaton fans than most realize. They just don't want to get into a purse fight with the haters who seem to be much more vocal. I have never been a Bush fan which has been evident from well before him being drafted by the Saints. Great in college with an NFL All-Pro Line but not in the NFL between the tackles. Every year Bush transitions more and more towards being a gimmick player. He will redefine what a gimmick player is but still a gimmick...Slaton is deemed small but he played a fill season and if I remember correctly got more carries as the season went on and had a higher YPC in the 4th than he did in the previous 3 quarters. And he is definitely a pass catching threat, not as much as Bush, but Slaton can run between the tackles and that will keep him around as a starter...

I could care less if Bush is a "gimmick" player or not. Most of us realized that when he was coming out anyway. He scores a lot of fantasy points. Especially if it's a PPR. That's all that matters. If it's PPR, Bush hands down. Non-PPR, it's close, but I still like Bush a tad more.

 

[fruity pebbles]

There are more Slaton fans than most realize. They just don't want to get into a purse fight with the haters who seem to be much more vocal. I have never been a Bush fan which has been evident from well before him being drafted by the Saints. Great in college with an NFL All-Pro Line but not in the NFL between the tackles. Every year Bush transitions more and more towards being a gimmick player. He will redefine what a gimmick player is but still a gimmick...Slaton is deemed small but he played a fill season and if I remember correctly got more carries as the season went on and had a higher YPC in the 4th than he did in the previous 3 quarters. And he is definitely a pass catching threat, not as much as Bush, but Slaton can run between the tackles and that will keep him around as a starter...

I could care less if Bush is a "gimmick" player or not. Most of us realized that when he was coming out anyway. He scores a lot of fantasy points. Especially if it's a PPR. That's all that matters. If it's PPR, Bush hands down. Non-PPR, it's close, but I still like Bush a tad more.

More perception than reality imo. Even including his punt return TDs, Bush has averaged 17.6 points per game over his career in ppr leagues. Last year Slaton averaged 17.2 in his first year. Given Reggie's serious knee issues, missing games each year and question marks about his future usage, i think even in ppr leagues this is no slam dunk. I'll take Slaton straight up.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

There are more Slaton fans than most realize. They just don't want to get into a purse fight with the haters who seem to be much more vocal. I have never been a Bush fan which has been evident from well before him being drafted by the Saints. Great in college with an NFL All-Pro Line but not in the NFL between the tackles. Every year Bush transitions more and more towards being a gimmick player. He will redefine what a gimmick player is but still a gimmick...Slaton is deemed small but he played a fill season and if I remember correctly got more carries as the season went on and had a higher YPC in the 4th than he did in the previous 3 quarters. And he is definitely a pass catching threat, not as much as Bush, but Slaton can run between the tackles and that will keep him around as a starter...

I could care less if Bush is a "gimmick" player or not. Most of us realized that when he was coming out anyway. He scores a lot of fantasy points. Especially if it's a PPR. That's all that matters. If it's PPR, Bush hands down. Non-PPR, it's close, but I still like Bush a tad more.

More perception than reality imo. Even including his punt return TDs, Bush has averaged 17.6 points per game over his career in ppr leagues. Last year Slaton averaged 17.2 in his first year. Given Reggie's serious knee issues, missing games each year and question marks about his future usage, i think even in ppr leagues this is no slam dunk. I'll take Slaton straight up.

It's a coin flip for PPR leagues, but 4.8 YPC in his first seasonwith a less than stellar OLine speaks volumes about the talent this kid has.No Pierre Thomas breathing down his neck.The sexy choice is Bush, but it would be the wrong choice.

 

[stewartcjae]

In a keeper league I'd definitely value Slaton higher. Is he going to get worse with more experience? Are they going to keep him off the field if he keeps producing? Bush is an injury risk and I can't help but think these surgeries have to affect his speed eventually-- and what else does he have?

Even if they pair Slaton up with other runners (as most teams do) I feel like Pierre Thomas has already proven he can carry a lot of the load in New Orleans. I'm not sure the Slaton counterpart will be able to boast that kind of experience.

I think we've seen the best Bush has to offer. Slaton could still get better.

He was offering 21+ points a game before he got hurt. Thomas will get carries, but Bush will still get his. Only thing that scares me about Bush is his injuries. If I knew i would get him for 16games, id take him instantly. However right now if I had to chose, I'd keep Slaton. Had him last year and he was really good.

 

[Dave Larkin]

In a PPR keeper league, it's not even close. Bush has my vote.

Slaton catches passes, but he doesn't have the kind of impact that Bush does. Andre Johnson is the player who the Texans want to get the ball to in their offense, but Bush is the player the Saints want to get the ball to, and that will continue. Slaton may be joined in the backfield by another RB by the time the draft is over, too.