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Butkus or Bruschi (1 Viewer)

Butkus or Bruschi

  • Tedy Bruschi

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If you were an NFL GM and could have your choice of starting your franchise with Tedy Bruschi or **** Butkus, which Linebacker would you choose?

Tedy Bruschi- anchor of the New England Patriots defense and three time Super Bowl Winner.

**** Butkus Anchor of the Bears Defense for a decade. Never led his team to a single playoff win.

 
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How many here have ever seen Butkus play?
I have, and I can't believe this is a worthy poll. We have a lot of bored people in this forum.
 
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I don't think u guys are reading between the lines here.

Read what the poster is posting, the information about the Super Bowls.

This is supposed to be a lopsided poll..........so that when the next poll comes out about Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady or Dan Marino vs. John Elway you can't throw in the SB argument because he can then say well **** Butkus didn't win any SB's.

Cleverly disguised, but seen it done way to many times to get by this Cowboy.

 
Bruschi may be the sentimental favorite. But as far as anchor goes, Richard Seymour is more important, and makes a bigger impact on that team than Bruschi does.I dont think anyone denies or argues who the anchor of that Bears defense was when Butkus was playing.This is poll is rediculous

 
Bruschi is one of my all time favorite players. A balls out leader who is an integral part of three championships both on and off the field. He has made big play after big play during the Pats run.That being said this poll is foolish. Butkus is one the greatest football players of all time. Not just one of the greatest LBs. As someone else posted there must be an ulterior motive for this poll but the fact it's so extreme makes it useless.

 
I might have to go with Bruschi. As good as Butkus was, he is not immune to the process of aging and would not be nearly the impact player today as he was in his youth.

 
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Put Brady on the Colts and Manning on the Pats. Whats the likely outcome?

1) Manning and the Pats win several Super Bowls.

2) Brady and the Colts win nothing.

Let me put it another way:

Is Tedy Bruschi "better" than **** Butkus because he anchored three Super Bowl defeses, while Butkus never won anything? Is Super Bowl MVP Deion Branch better than Randy Moss? Of course, not. Because Football is a TEAM game, and its irresponsible to confuse team achievements with individual players accomplishments.
Is your argument that the middle linebacker has as much responsibility for the play of the defense as the quarterback?
 
This is supposed to be a lopsided poll..........so that when the next poll comes out about Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady or Dan Marino vs. John Elway you can't throw in the SB argument because he can then say well **** Butkus didn't win any SB's.
Manning vs. Brady and Marino vs. Elway are close enough that SBs/winning are part of the discussion. Butkus is so much better than Bruschi that Bruschi can win 10 SBs and he'd still lose.Butkus vs. Brushci is like Marino vs. Plunkett.

 
Does this take into account the crappy coaching job Butkus did with the HS team filled with losers? If so, I may lean Teddy on this one.

 
This is supposed to be a lopsided poll..........so that when the next poll comes out about Peyton Manning vs. Tom Brady or Dan Marino vs. John Elway you can't throw in the SB argument because he can then say well **** Butkus didn't win any SB's.
Manning vs. Brady and Marino vs. Elway are close enough that SBs/winning are part of the discussion. Butkus is so much better than Bruschi that Bruschi can win 10 SBs and he'd still lose.Butkus vs. Brushci is like Marino vs. Plunkett.
You're not telling me anything I don't know. I'm pointing out the purpose of this poll, which is to make a reference that SB's aren't the defining purpose of greatness or to be greater than someone who has won a SB.I defiantely don't like the argument of SB's for defensive players, it doesn't hold nearly as much weight as a QB or maybe even a RB who might have carried a team.

Teddy Bruschi isn't even the best LB today never mind better than one of the top 3 MLB's of all time.

This overall topic should have just stayed in the Tom Brady/ Peyton Manning thread.

All I want to know is what's Peyton Manning's overall playoff record. I don't care about anyone else's......just his. I honostly don't know it but I don't think it's going to be stellar and Manning no matter how good he is during the regular season will always be judged for how he does in the post season.....that's just the way it is in football. That's how we do it, it's been that way forever, it's not going to change.

So with that information, if things do not change 20 years from now we will consider Tom Brady a better QB, just like we consider John Elway or Steve Young a better QB than Dan Fouts.

 
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Hmm, this brings up a quesion that has bothered me for a while: who would you rather have: Gale Sayers or Kevin Faulk?

 
I might have to go with Bruschi. As good as Butkus was, he is not immune to the process of aging and would not be nearly the impact player today as he was in his youth.
I'm sure you are joking.
 
Bruschi is one of my all time favorite players. A balls out leader who is an integral part of three championships both on and off the field. He has made big play after big play during the Pats run.

That being said this poll is foolish. Butkus is one the greatest football players of all time. Not just one of the greatest LBs. As someone else posted there must be an ulterior motive for this poll but the fact it's so extreme makes it useless.
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Hi All, First of all, as Cowboy fan correctly pointed out, this poll is an offshoot of the Manning/Brady poll. Yes, its a somewhat silly poll - by design. Nooone should really question Butkus's place in history compared to Bruschi - depsite his inability to win a playoff game. Yet other players, inexplicably, are held accountable for the very same shortcoming - Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Peyton Manning, etc. My feeling has always been that Football is a TEAM game and should assessed as such. Teams have three sepereate disciplines (offense, defense, special teams) 22 core starting players and numerous subsititutes. When assessing an individual players, one should be VERY careful in giving too much credit/blame to one person unless its fully deservsed. When I see the Patriots Dynasty, first and foremost I see a Bill Bellicheck devising a master gameplan that gives his players a massive advantage on the field. His schemes confuse the opposition and put his players in a position to succeed. Tom Brady is a DIRECT offshoot of that. Its difficult to imagine Brady succeeding so spectcularly on another team with a different coach. Anyway, the bottom line is this - some players receive disproportional share of the blame when things go wrong, and others receive a disproportional amount of credit when things go right. That, in a nutshell, is Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.

 
Hi All,

First of all, as Cowboy fan correctly pointed out, this poll is an offshoot of the Manning/Brady poll. Yes, its a somewhat silly poll - by design. Nooone should really question Butkus's place in history compared to Bruschi - depsite his inability to win a playoff game. Yet other players, inexplicably, are held accountable for the very same shortcoming - Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Peyton Manning, etc.

My feeling has always been that Football is a TEAM game and should assessed as such. Teams have three sepereate disciplines (offense, defense, special teams) 22 core starting players and numerous subsititutes. When assessing an individual players, one should be VERY careful in giving too much credit/blame to one person unless its fully deservsed. When I see the Patriots Dynasty, first and foremost I see a Bill Bellicheck devising a master gameplan that gives his players a massive advantage on the field. His schemes confuse the opposition and put his players in a position to succeed. Tom Brady is a DIRECT offshoot of that.  Its difficult to imagine Brady succeeding so spectcularly on another team with a different coach.

Anyway, the bottom line is this - some players receive disproportional share of the blame when things go wrong, and others receive a disproportional amount of credit when things go right. That, in a nutshell, is Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
When you consistently lose the big games in high school, college and pros the blame tends to zero in on you a little more.
 
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Hi All,

First of all, as Cowboy fan correctly pointed out, this poll is an offshoot of the Manning/Brady poll. Yes, its a somewhat silly poll - by design. Nooone should really question Butkus's place in history compared to Bruschi - depsite his inability to win a playoff game. Yet other players, inexplicably, are held accountable for the very same shortcoming - Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Peyton Manning, etc.

My feeling has always been that Football is a TEAM game and should assessed as such. Teams have three sepereate disciplines (offense, defense, special teams) 22 core starting players and numerous subsititutes. When assessing an individual players, one should be VERY careful in giving too much credit/blame to one person unless its fully deservsed. When I see the Patriots Dynasty, first and foremost I see a Bill Bellicheck devising a master gameplan that gives his players a massive advantage on the field. His schemes confuse the opposition and put his players in a position to succeed. Tom Brady is a DIRECT offshoot of that.  Its difficult to imagine Brady succeeding so spectcularly on another team with a different coach.

Anyway, the bottom line is this - some players receive disproportional share of the blame when things go wrong, and others receive a disproportional amount of credit when things go right. That, in a nutshell, is Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
When you consistently lose the big games in high school, college and pros the blame tends to zero in on you a little more.
You didnt read what I wrote, eh? :thumbup:
 
Hi All,

First of all, as Cowboy fan correctly pointed out, this poll is an offshoot of the Manning/Brady poll. Yes, its a somewhat silly poll - by design. Nooone should really question Butkus's place in history compared to Bruschi - depsite his inability to win a playoff game. Yet other players, inexplicably, are held accountable for the very same shortcoming - Dan Marino, Barry Sanders, Peyton Manning, etc.

My feeling has always been that Football is a TEAM game and should assessed as such. Teams have three sepereate disciplines (offense, defense, special teams) 22 core starting players and numerous subsititutes. When assessing an individual players, one should be VERY careful in giving too much credit/blame to one person unless its fully deservsed. When I see the Patriots Dynasty, first and foremost I see a Bill Bellicheck devising a master gameplan that gives his players a massive advantage on the field. His schemes confuse the opposition and put his players in a position to succeed. Tom Brady is a DIRECT offshoot of that.  Its difficult to imagine Brady succeeding so spectcularly on another team with a different coach.

Anyway, the bottom line is this - some players receive disproportional share of the blame when things go wrong, and others receive a disproportional amount of credit when things go right. That, in a nutshell, is Peyton Manning and Tom Brady.
When you consistently lose the big games in high school, college and pros the blame tends to zero in on you a little more.
You didnt read what I wrote, eh? :thumbup:
I did and you're trying to validate what you feel. You're not going to be convinced regardless. After watching Manning sulk around Foxboro in the second quarter of a close playoff game last year there's nothing that's going to convince me that Manning is better than Brady. Manning is a great player but he lacks some of the intangibles that Brady has. Was it a fluke that Tennesse won the title the year after Manning graduated? Who knows but when you look at his whole body of work right now he is a great QB who puts up big numbers who has not been his best during the most important points of his career. IMO the final excuses of not having a good D and having to play the playoffs away from Indy have made the excuse bag empty. On the flipside Brady has three rings, two MVPs and more often than not has risen to the occasion when his team needed him most. Where I really think he seperates himself is he's willing to win anyway possible while I feel Manning wants to win a certain manner and gets frustated if he can't accomplish that. Also, if you compare where Brady is after his first five years starting and where Manning was at that point in his career the gap widens.

 
This poll is way too narrow IMHO.The only answer here is clearly Butkus.If the poll had mentioned the likes of LT, Singletary, Lambert to name a few, then this poll could be more interesting.

 
I still rather have Brady than Manning, simply because Brady is far superior moving around in the pocket. Also, he's a stalwart teamate that I've never heard deflect blame from himself, even when it's not his fault. Manning is usually very accurate, and his play-action motion is second to none, but there is a consistent strategy that is used to beat him in every loss that I've seen. Blitz to start the game, then fake the blitz a ton. Not every team has the personnel to do this, but playoff teams sure seem to.GG

 

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