TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
Didn't see much of Caddy last year. Why did he have such a sophomore slump? Are things looking up for this year? Is he the next Fragile Fred? He's one of those guys I just can't figure out...
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Caddy: why did he stink last year... (1 Viewer)
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TheBradyBunch
Footballguy
I understand the supporting cast issues, but I guess I'm more interested in his health. Seems he's had several nagging injuries and there was talk of degenerative back issues. Has that been resolved or does his health still scare you in the long-term?
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
October 2nd 2005. Caddy hasn't been the same since that day.Offensive Log
Date ------- AT ----- Yds - Avg -- TD
9/11/2005 -- 27 -- 148 -- 5.5 -- 1
9/18/2005 -- 24 -- 128 -- 5.3 -- 1
9/25/2005 -- 37 -- 158 -- 4.3 -- 0
10/2/2005 -- 11 --- 13 -- 1.2 -- 0
10/30/2005 - 13 --- 20 -- 1.5 -- 0
I don't that he'll ever regain the fire that he entered the league with in his first three games.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I have him and he is frustrating.
I hope he gets by the back and foot issues.
I was happy they grabbed Sears. How are the Tackles? I know he likes to bounce outside after pounding inside.
Hopefully they have enough QBs down there to keep Caddy free from pressure.
Galloway is old and has to step up
Clayton needs to re-appear.
I hope he gets by the back and foot issues.
I was happy they grabbed Sears. How are the Tackles? I know he likes to bounce outside after pounding inside.
Hopefully they have enough QBs down there to keep Caddy free from pressure.
Galloway is old and has to step up
Clayton needs to re-appear.
Carter_Can_Fly
Footballguy
I would draft him as an RB 3 as he still is a starter but would be very surprised if he put up RB 2 numbers. At this point he is a bye week filler and he will be inconsistent because there is still a goal line threat there in Alstot and also a good receptions guy in Pittman. In dyansty his injuries have to be a slight hit against him.
I am not very high on Willimas at all this year.
I am not very high on Willimas at all this year.
Guinis72
Footballguy
I agree that it was horrible o-line, QB situation and defenses stacking the box hurting Caddy and that right now he's a nice buy low.
I beleive Joseph was hurt part of the year but played well towards the end and Trueblood began playing better. I think those guys + Petitgout, Seers, and Garcia should help Caddy out a lot this year.
I beleive Joseph was hurt part of the year but played well towards the end and Trueblood began playing better. I think those guys + Petitgout, Seers, and Garcia should help Caddy out a lot this year.
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
I just want 1100, 7tds, 25-30 catches.
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Who do you think I could get in a dynasty league.
kensat30
Footballguy
I'm of the opinion that Chris Simms is a backup quality QB and never was starter material, despite what he did at the end of '05. The guy made everyone else on the team that much worse when he was in the game. Garcia, even as old and worn down as he is, is a major upgrade at that position. That change alone should boost Caddy up from a RB#3 to a RB#2 this year. Alstott taking carries away at the goalline is a big drawback, but I find it hard to believe that Caddy can't or won't repeat what he did in his rookie season.
Value RB#2 this year. Future years, talent is going to win through. This guy is one of the top long term talents at RB in the NFL IMO.
Value RB#2 this year. Future years, talent is going to win through. This guy is one of the top long term talents at RB in the NFL IMO.
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jurb26
Footballguy
You mean the Simms that was still only in his 2nd year as a pro?
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Good thing we didn't close the books on Favre after one year, or even Steve Young after several years of riding the pine.That's pretty much it - when you are usually playing from behind it doesn't bode well for the running game. That, plus Alstott getting the few goal-line carries available. This year with Garcia @QB, Pettigout at LT, Aaron Sears @ LG & the second year guys Joseph & Trueblood on the right side improvement is expected. More depth at O-line and on the defense should help - that's the theory anyway. If healthy Cadillac should be a good value pick compared to his cheat sheet rankings.
kensat30
Footballguy
Yup, go ahead and write him off now. I don't care what year you're playing in, you either have it or you don't. I would have said the same thing about Josh McCown when he was looking good in Arizona. The guy just doesn't have what it takes to succeed in the NFL on the long term. Any Tampa fan in the room who has also watched every game that Simms has started (I love NFL replay) wanna chime in? It's not like this guy is a total unknown, we've seen him start for more than half the season and in multiple seasons. You think he is bonaifde starting QB in NFL or destined to be an NFL journeyman? I mean it's still early, the guy is only going into his 4th year.I'll tell you what though, go ahead and slot in 48 year old Garcia right now as the starter for 2007 if you haven't already. I doubt Simms starts another game for the Tampa the way it is looking, even if Garcia is gone next year. He'll still probably get his chance on another team, thanks to Joey Galloway for getting hot at just the right point in Simms career.I mean just look at how bad the team was with Simms last year. That was an horrific start to the season that I just don't see any other bonafide starting QB make. That's really all you needed to see. Joey Galloway made Simms look good, that's it.
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FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
The problem with Caddy is that even early in his rookie year when he was on fire he was still just as awful in his first 20 carries or so as he was in his bad games. I said it then and I'll say it again now, all his numbers were coming on carries 21+. To be more specific, carries 26+. In order to keep putting up huge numbers he would have to keep putting up huge carries on the order of 500 or so over the course of a season...which is impossible.
As soon as it was said his workload would be reduced I backed way off him as carries 1-24 were nothing I wanted to be a part of, and still aren't.
As soon as it was said his workload would be reduced I backed way off him as carries 1-24 were nothing I wanted to be a part of, and still aren't.
5Rings
Lurker
I Tivo'd all the TB games last year....and to me, Caddy looked good. The stats won't show it, but the guy ran hard and broke tackles in the backfield to get a 3 yard gain. I agree the OL and no threat of a passing game were the two biggest negative variables regarding his performance.
That said, I traded for him in two leagues this offseason.
Now, I'm not a Simms fan, and don't think any QB on their roster is "the solution", but they have been stockpiling young lineman and wouldn't be surprised to see their improvement allow Caddy to move up to a legit RB10-12 guy next year.
That said, I traded for him in two leagues this offseason.
Now, I'm not a Simms fan, and don't think any QB on their roster is "the solution", but they have been stockpiling young lineman and wouldn't be surprised to see their improvement allow Caddy to move up to a legit RB10-12 guy next year.
Englishteacher
Footballguy
Interesting.I'm of the opinion Caddy is a god buy low candidate although I think he may have a limited ceiling long term. A little smallish. For a back that size he has to show some Tikiness. I don't know if he's that good. The big thing to me is the back issue. That could be huge and derail a promising career. Landing on a juggernaut offense would help. Might be a while in Tampa although they've invested heavily in the O Line.
I wouldn't worry about an RBBC in Tampa. If Caddy is healthy, and there are no mysterious injuries he will be fine. I will admit, I have heard everything from serious back issues, to not enough arch in his foot, and he is spoiled goods. The fact is these are all rumors, and the Buccaneers haven't put out any of this. If he is 100% healthy JG will give him plenty of carries. He should also get a good share of the goal line carries, assuming TB can make it to the Red Zone in 07' 
Here are a few things to keep in mind,
-JG must win now, and Caddy's success is directly tied to Grudens.
-If Caddy and Clayton can regain their rookie year form Gruden looks like he made some good draft picks.
-Like in 05', Pittman will get carries to spell Caddy, or in certain pass situations, but Gruden is quoted as saying "Caddy gets better as the game goes on." When he looks like he should be pulled he stays in.
-Alstott fans were more pissed than ever in 05', particularly the beginning of the season when Caddy was getting so many carries. It seemed like Alstott barely got any carries due to Grudens new man-love for Caddy.
-Caddy is Grudens first option. If Caddy gets mentioned as being great, and having a great year Gruden looks good.
***ETA*** TB had one of the hardest schedules in the league last year coming off an 11-5 season. We also played the AFC North, and the NFC East. This year we get the NFC West and the AFC south.
Alstott game logs
Pittman game logs
Caddy game logs
Notice who got all the carries the first 3 games of 05.' This was when the running game was working, and when Caddy was 100% healthy. Assuming the running gmae can work like Gruden wants, which didn't happen at all in 06', he should go back to Caddy.
Here are a few things to keep in mind,
-JG must win now, and Caddy's success is directly tied to Grudens.
-If Caddy and Clayton can regain their rookie year form Gruden looks like he made some good draft picks.
-Like in 05', Pittman will get carries to spell Caddy, or in certain pass situations, but Gruden is quoted as saying "Caddy gets better as the game goes on." When he looks like he should be pulled he stays in.
-Alstott fans were more pissed than ever in 05', particularly the beginning of the season when Caddy was getting so many carries. It seemed like Alstott barely got any carries due to Grudens new man-love for Caddy.
-Caddy is Grudens first option. If Caddy gets mentioned as being great, and having a great year Gruden looks good.
***ETA*** TB had one of the hardest schedules in the league last year coming off an 11-5 season. We also played the AFC North, and the NFC East. This year we get the NFC West and the AFC south.
Alstott game logs
Pittman game logs
Caddy game logs
Notice who got all the carries the first 3 games of 05.' This was when the running game was working, and when Caddy was 100% healthy. Assuming the running gmae can work like Gruden wants, which didn't happen at all in 06', he should go back to Caddy.
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zamboni
Footballguy
I thought that last year, although even in the few teams the offense made it in the red zone, Caddy came out of the game. I don't see anything changing as long as Alstott is there, even if he plays until he's 40.He should also get a good share of the goal line carries, assuming TB can make it to the Red Zone in 07'
MelKiperJr
Footballguy
Health issues and he plays for the Bucs. I think he is still a top 20-RB --- but not anywhere near a top 10.
06' was a weird year since opposing defenses were just toyig with the rookie QB. JG couldn't run his offense as expected. Combine that with the crappy, injury plagued O-line.
You really need to just throw out 06' when making projections, and hope they pick up where they left off in 05'.
You really need to just throw out 06' when making projections, and hope they pick up where they left off in 05'.
DWidmar
Footballguy
I dont own Caddy but I have some interest in acquiring him. Can we finally put to bed all of the "injury" problems. If he really had serious back problems, or foot problems I think Tampa would have gotten a RB in the second or third round. They drafted one in the seventh round. I think we can confidently exclude serious back injuries as a problem for Caddy.
I agree, but PR did report today that the Bucs were torn between Lorenzo Booker and the LB they ended up drafting. But, if they were concerned about Caddy they would have gone AP. It's not very often you can get a franchise RB, and if Caddy isn't it they would have gone AP. Booker would have been molded to be a replacement for Pittman.
