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He was overrated?And did not deserve ROY last year.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Chris Simms was horrible. Now he has a rookie QB. His OL has been plagued by injuries. It doesn't look like he's gonna have the best season. Think KJ last year. I don't see any TB players having a great year. That being said he still has tremendous dynasty value.
Buckeyedawgs
Footballguy
All rookies are over hyped around here. lol
Cadallac did prove he has what it takes a few weeks right off before injuries slowed him down.
Now I think it's just the offense he is in. If he was in say Cincy or Indy or Denver he's be a top 5 back at worst I bet.
Tampa's whole offense limits fantasy potentional! That's why I always stayed away from him.
I noticed he seems to be one of the most moveing players this year in trades. Down the road he might be a RB-1 but so far way way over valued and thats why I have never owned him and never plan too.
Cadallac did prove he has what it takes a few weeks right off before injuries slowed him down.
Now I think it's just the offense he is in. If he was in say Cincy or Indy or Denver he's be a top 5 back at worst I bet.
Tampa's whole offense limits fantasy potentional! That's why I always stayed away from him.
I noticed he seems to be one of the most moveing players this year in trades. Down the road he might be a RB-1 but so far way way over valued and thats why I have never owned him and never plan too.
zamboni
Footballguy
I agree it's the offense that's limiting him. He's good, but far from LT-good in being able to overcome a weak QB and OL.
It's not unlike Kevin Jones last year when the offense couldn't do anything, and all of a sudden, the Lions are getting good QB play under Martz, and all is well.
Same could happen next year with Caddy. And Alstott retiring as the TD vulture would help as well.
It's not unlike Kevin Jones last year when the offense couldn't do anything, and all of a sudden, the Lions are getting good QB play under Martz, and all is well.
Same could happen next year with Caddy. And Alstott retiring as the TD vulture would help as well.
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Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
Intruiging potential nonetheless though.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
He has to get more than 8 carries to be productive and has shown that if he gets the carries more times than not he will produce.......even LT would have trouble putting up good #'s with 8 carries. I think they are just playing from behind so much they feel like they have to throw the ball...He did have 5 catches for 34 yards last week.
I traded for Caddy in a Keeper league gave up my 1st round pick next year and Plax. If I was given a do over on that trade would I do it again....Maybe. Do I think Caddy will be a very good RB going forward..... yes
I traded for Caddy in a Keeper league gave up my 1st round pick next year and Plax. If I was given a do over on that trade would I do it again....Maybe. Do I think Caddy will be a very good RB going forward..... yes
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
As I've said no one in that offense is producing. No one! Gruden will fix that. I think they need to stick with Gradkowski. I feel as though next year will be much different.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
IIRC, the Bucs are 8-0 when Caddy get 20 carries. problem is its hard to give a guy 20 carries when the OLine cant get you more than 2.0 YPC. He's a top talent, you can see it when he;s on the field despite an awful team. I think the Kj comparisions are fair at this point. Good rookie year, awful team/season in year two, bounce back in year 3... at least I hope so as owners of both in a keeper.
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Real Man of Genius
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MLBrandow
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This is accurate.
As per that asenine 20 carry --> 8-0 stat, quit posting it. I've seen it a half dozen times on this forum, and it's still a flawed and misleading stat.All it shows is that when the Bucs win they can run the ball. This is true for pretty much any NFL team on a given Sunday. Teams rush more when they are leading, and that means more 4th quarter carries, which means a higher likelihood of breaking 20 attempts.Just because you have X and Y doesn't mean X causes Y. Wins are the result of outscoring opponents, as are more rushing attempts (killing the clock in garbage time).When my grass gets watered (X), the number of accidents on the interstate quadruples (Y). Does that mean if I quit watering my grass that I can single-handedly quarter the number of interstate accidents (X --> Y)? Or does it mean that my grass gets watered because it rains, and the roads are harder to traverse in inclement weather, e.g. rain (Z --> X, Y)?Don't ever assume that because two things look related that one causes the other.
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packersfan
Footballguy
Cadillac's career games vs. New Orleans to date:
2006
20-111
2005
22-96
22-81
He's had 20 carries or more in every game against the Saints. I would expect that trend to continue this week and if it does I think Caddy's a good bet to deliver a strong game again against the Saints.
2006
20-111
2005
22-96
22-81
He's had 20 carries or more in every game against the Saints. I would expect that trend to continue this week and if it does I think Caddy's a good bet to deliver a strong game again against the Saints.
zamboni
Footballguy
At the expense of turning it into an AC matter, I would think again.
Rogi
Footballguy
That's funny, I'm planning to start Addai over Caddy, but I'm still waiting to see how Addai's injury looks on Sunday.Even though Caddy has had good games against NO in the past, I can see NO getting an early lead on Tampa which might lead to Caddy getting a small number of carries.
harryhood
Footballguy
I really think caddy rolls this week and TB wins this game outright. Take these things into consideration.It took a bad punt coverage runback for NO to squeak one out at home, on grad's first start of his carreer.Since then Bgrad has been good. And has beat some pretty decent teams(in those games, caddy has been good)Tough place to play on the road last week against one of the better defenses in the league and they kept the game close.NO is not a very good football team and playing on the road, I think TB steals this one and caddy leads them. I seriously am looking for 75 - 100 and a touch
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
Funny, in one of my leagues I had the #4 pick (took rudi). I got Caddy in the late 2nd round. Too bad it's a redraft.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
Wouldn't say NEVER EVER - LT seems to be doing fine with Rivers at QB. But in most cases I would agree.Willie
zamboni
Footballguy
Indeed, but you can't compare anyone with LT. He put up big numbers with Doug Flutie, an unproven Drew Brees, and now Rivers. He's in a class by himself.The KJ and McGahee comparisons are much more relevant.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I own Caddy this season and I saw him play for the first time this season vs Philadelphia. I actually thought he looked pretty good. I was amazed that this was the same guy that was getting me 2-5 pts per game. How he puts up so little stats in many games is beyond me. He hit the holes hard and seemed to run with a bit of an attitude. I really regret picking him this season with the 11th pick because he is one of those guys that when he has a bad week absolutely kills you with his lack of points.
I am starting him this week for possibly the last time. If he can't go off somewhat vs NO at home, I don't see much hope for him this season.
Willie
I am starting him this week for possibly the last time. If he can't go off somewhat vs NO at home, I don't see much hope for him this season.
Willie
ready5
Footballguy
exactly... correlation is not causation. if i cheered because my team won the superbowl, that does not mean my team will win the superbowl every time i cheer. i haven't looked at the gamelogs, but it seems more likely that caddy is getting those 20 carries in games where TB has the lead and is merely running out the clock (which perhaps sheds some light on the 2.0 YPC).in fantasy football, managers and experts blindly grope around for stray facts that help them rationalize sit/starts, add/drops, etc... but often string those facts together with a bad (or even fallacious) arguments. stats are particularly tricky... is the raider's pass defense really that good? or just statisically so. all stats require interpretation and oversight... and for that, it's far better to listen to the impression of some homers than to some "expert" who doesn't really follow the team.that being said, what do the TB homers think about caddy?
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MLBrandow
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I benched him last week... but you would be wise to start him this week at home versus the Saints.He should have a big day. Healthy OL now for a few games, finally getting some continuity on offense, Gradkowski should have a decent game, Defense is getting back on track.
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
I think he is in for a big week...
Gruden has been hammered by the press about Caddy only getting 8 carries... Combine that with a less than stellar run defense on the road and I think Caddy may be in for his best game of the year...
Not at all saying Caddy is about to tear up the league but I do think this is the week to have him in your line-up...
Gruden has been hammered by the press about Caddy only getting 8 carries... Combine that with a less than stellar run defense on the road and I think Caddy may be in for his best game of the year...
Not at all saying Caddy is about to tear up the league but I do think this is the week to have him in your line-up...
Rocky J. Squirrel
Footballguy
Call me the town idiot, but I just traded Alexander for Caddy and #1 rookie pick in my 16 team keeper league. 
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Yitbos69
Footballguy
town idiotCall me the town idiot, but I just traded Alexander for Caddy and #1 rookie pick in my 1 team keeper league.
wow, bad move.Call me the town idiot, but I just traded Alexander for Caddy and #1 rookie pick in my 1 team keeper league.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Those saying this is horrible are foolish. You never know how that may turn out. I hope you bump this if it's in your favor down the road.Call me the town idiot, but I just traded Alexander for Caddy and #1 rookie pick in my 1 team keeper league.
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turkishkamel
Footballguy
first, it must be over 20 carries because he got 20 carries for 111 yds against NO week 5 and TB lost 24-21. second i dont think its a tell all stat, although its more telling then your clever analogy would have us think. obviously the contributions of many other players factor in to the outcome of a game. turnovers, bad routes, missed assignments and several other factors also influence the game. what i am saying is running the ball well helps the offense, especially one led by a rookie QB. if a feature back can get 20+ carries its generally a good thing for his teams offense. the more a talented player touches the ball, the more chances that player has to make big plays. my original point is that injuries along the line for TB has made it harder for Caddy to produce and easier for the Bucs to struggle. as a result they get down in the first half (17 to Balt, 11 to Atl, 13 to Car, 11 to NYG) and start to throw more. 20 carries does not always equal a win. 20 carries means TB stayed more dedicated to the run and give themselves a better chance to produce on offense. what person wouldnt want their teams feature back to touch the ball 25+ times? (Cardinals fans aside)
Accurate. He does not possess the speed, power, vision, heart of a Frank Gore.
turkishkamel
Footballguy
Scouts Inc evaluation on Williams:- Has exceptional vision and patience for a young back. Really understands cutback angles.
- Tough between tackles because of vision and burst, but won't push the pile at 212 pounds.
- Adequate-to-good top-end speed.
- Shifty, quick and powerful for size. As tough as it gets, but his lack of size hurts him here.
seems to me Caddys vision and quickness has always been a strong suit.
He is still overrated, and should not have been RoY.
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
This is ridiculous. Who else deserved it?j3r3m3y said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
How is Gruden going to fix this when it is Gruden who is having the team throw the ball 79% of the time with a rookie Qb in swirling winds against a defense that has one of the best groups of pass rushing defensive linemen in the league?That is Grudens fault not Carnell Williams. Even Michael Strahan commented about how good Williams is, somewhat relived that the Bucs did not use him more against them.
So when is Gruden going to fix this?
Same thing happened in week 1 Caddy only got 8 carries in that game also.
Seems to me that Gruden is only willing to run the ball if they set up the run with the passing game. When the passing game isn't working he just keeps calling pass plays until it does if it does. He has regressed to running the offense like he was with the Raiders. This really bothers me. It doesen't make any sense. His best offensive weapon is Carnell Williams yet he doesen't use him enough. I am glad Williams is begining to get more active in the passing game because that is all Tampa does is pass the ball. This is not his strength though. Caddy is not Charlie Garner. Everyone knows Williams needs a steady dose of carries to be effective. The Bucs have a good enough defense to be paitient and keep giving Williams the ball but they don't do it.
If Gruden was criticized in the press for not giving Williams the ball against the Giants last week it is well deserved. I would be interested to see those articles. Maybe there is some hope if Gruden will change his play calling.
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MLBrandow
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I'm a big Gruden supporter and know that he's not in any danger of losing his job (although the same cannot be said of GM Bruce Allen), but I agree with this. The onus clearly falls on his shoulders. Rookie QB or not, he needs to feed the ball to his best player on offense.It would also help if Galloway wasn't slowing down on his routes every time Gradkowski throws him a deep ball. Like I said though, I expect quite an offensive outing this weekend from the Bucs. Cadillac is in line for a huge game.
How do you know it is all his fault? Are you Jon Gruden? Would you be willing to do a weekly article for the site? Imagine how much insight a real life NFL football coach could bring to footballguys.com. C'mon Joe... Gruden is a member and you didn't let us all know?!?!?!?! WTF??!?!?!?!?Ronnie Brown had better YPC and is a better all around RB.j3r3m3y said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
The second part is debatable. I don't recall Miami getting to the playoffs with a rookie RB who split time with Ricky for part of the year.Ronnie Brown had better YPC and is a better all around RB.j3r3m3y said:
Granted, but I don't recall Caddie being in the top 10 this year.And there is no shame in splitting time with a pro bowl caibur player. Is getting to the playoffs a requirement? Or is that a team accomplishment? Brown was the most impressive rookie last year. Stats are the proof.SproutDaddy said:
SproutDaddy
Footballguy
I agree with you on all points except that Brown was the most impressive rookie. Caddy isn't getting as much of an opportunity as he did last year because the offense as a whole is horrible. I am pretty sure he hasn't carried 30 times in a game this year. Usually they're playing from behind. Remember how many carries he got in the first 4 games last year. He was pretty much the centerpiece of the offense last year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Over/Under on Carnell Williams getting 15 carries this week vs. the Saints?
I think he needs more than 15 carries to be effective. And I doubt he will get them.
What say you?
Chuckie 
I think he needs more than 15 carries to be effective. And I doubt he will get them.
What say you?
Chuckie 
