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Call Otis and bump up Gore (1 Viewer)
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moleculo
Footballguy
not sure what you are getting from this article -
barlow
gore You don't have talks about someone that you are planning to use as the #1. This tells me that SF will not be a RBBC. Gore is RB1 and Barlow RB2 at best. I don't see splitting of carries or anything. I'm going to start increasing Gores touches and downgrading Barlows.
popeye
Footballguy
These were my thoughts as well. Or at least Gore will be given an 80/20 split.
BigRed
Footballguy
And you know what RB they were talking about because-? Hell it coulda been Hicks.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
So, let me get this straight...
It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.
Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.
Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
No, I use the fact that Gore is a better RB to prove that he is the Man. Take it to the bank......So, let me get this straight...It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
3C's
Footballguy
No, I use the fact that Gore is a better RB to prove that he is the Man. Take it to the bank......So, let me get this straight...It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
Al Toon's Mole
Footballguy
Wow, I'll admit Gore has potential....but why is everyone so far up his ### it's sickening.
Let a guy show me he can stay healthy year in and year out before i get on my knees like some of you are doing.
Remember this is ...FRANK GORE...mr leg injuries, starting back when he was in Florida.
Talented , yes.....DUrable, not even close.....I hope the people in my draft are all in the Kool-Aid realm with you folks....
By the way SF's #1 player this year will be Antonio Bryant.....
With SF losing every game, Smith to Bryant all day long in 2nd half.
Frank Gore......HA!!! He is a younger version of Deshaun "I'm injured again" Foster.
Keep up the Gore praise.....so that some chump in my league passes on someone worthwhile for him.
Let a guy show me he can stay healthy year in and year out before i get on my knees like some of you are doing.
Remember this is ...FRANK GORE...mr leg injuries, starting back when he was in Florida.
Talented , yes.....DUrable, not even close.....I hope the people in my draft are all in the Kool-Aid realm with you folks....
By the way SF's #1 player this year will be Antonio Bryant.....
With SF losing every game, Smith to Bryant all day long in 2nd half.
Frank Gore......HA!!! He is a younger version of Deshaun "I'm injured again" Foster.
Keep up the Gore praise.....so that some chump in my league passes on someone worthwhile for him.
cstu
Footballguy
Considering Gore's history you may want to take it to the hospital instead.No, I use the fact that Gore is a better RB to prove that he is the Man. Take it to the bank......So, let me get this straight...It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Hasn't it been two years since Gore's knee injury?
2005 SF 14 game 127 rushes 608 yards 4.8 yards per carry
It's the NFL -- the better guy plays. Unless he's in jail, named Keyshawn or Terrell.
2005 SF 14 game 127 rushes 608 yards 4.8 yards per carry
It's the NFL -- the better guy plays. Unless he's in jail, named Keyshawn or Terrell.
Ned
Footballguy
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Considering Gore's history you may want to take it to the hospital instead.No, I use the fact that Gore is a better RB to prove that he is the Man. Take it to the bank......So, let me get this straight...It may have been something as simple as the Jets calling and asking about the availability of Barlow, and the 49ers saying that anyone is available for the right price. And it may have had nothing to do with Barlow at all. And nothing serious has come of it.Yet people want to turn this into some sign that Gore's the man?
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.
Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
switz
Footballguy
The glass is half full, or half empty. Depending on your perspective, Gore is either a bust or a breakout player to target.Reality is that he was AMAZING before the knee injury. It wasn't certain how he'd recover from it. And though he wasn't playing top caliber defenses, from appearances, his knee is fine. Now he's two years removed from the injury and should be even healthier.So he needed shoulder surgery. Has it held him out of preseaosn games? Does it seem like it's a lingering injury? Hmmm... no.So the evidence points to the reasonable perspective being the glass is half full. Unless you are a Barlow lover, which there are plenty on the board.LOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I've never said Gore is a bust, and I never said I expect him to be. He's got some talent, but he's also got very little of a track record to hang his hat on for various reasons. I don't believe he's a better RB than Barlow, but I don't believe Barlow is significantly better than him, either. I don't believe anyone but a truly elite RB could have had any measure of success in SF the last few years, and people forget that the year Barlow took over was the same year Garcia, Owens, and 3/5 of the offensive line were gone. I just chuckle the way Gore is pimped on this board when aside from his early days in college, there's really no basis for it.The glass is half full, or half empty. Depending on your perspective, Gore is either a bust or a breakout player to target.Reality is that he was AMAZING before the knee injury. It wasn't certain how he'd recover from it. And though he wasn't playing top caliber defenses, from appearances, his knee is fine. Now he's two years removed from the injury and should be even healthier.So he needed shoulder surgery. Has it held him out of preseaosn games? Does it seem like it's a lingering injury? Hmmm... no.So the evidence points to the reasonable perspective being the glass is half full. Unless you are a Barlow lover, which there are plenty on the board.LOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
switz
Footballguy
I didn't mean to imply you were saying he was a bust. It is true though that most people are polarized on him. And as far as the pimping from college, well - that's what most young players are pimped on... so it's to be expected.And on the Barlow being better, needing an elite back, etc. Well... Barlow's track record speaks for itself. He's nowhere near elite, and honestly, I think Gore is better as Hearst was. In fact Gore and Hearst are VERY SIMILAR players IMO.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
I agree, but the Gore pimping is from his early days in college before having surgeries on both knees and both shoulders. Holds a little less weight with me, although there's always the possibility he fully recovers from all of them to return to pre-injury form. I wouldn't bet on that, though.I don't think Barlow is an elite RB either, but I do think his skills are above average. He's like a lot of above average RBs who depend on a supporting cast to do well, but his supporting cast was downright awful when he took over as the starter. I can't name more than 1 or 2 RBs who could've done much at all in SF the last couple years. Gore had one long run against the 'Skins' backups and 3 solid games against terrible run defenses at the end of the year, and Barlow had a nice 5 game stretch in the middle of the season where his YPC and production was very strong against much better competition, including Washington, Tampa Bay, and Indianapolis. Yet people look at Gore's late season starts and are impressed by them for some reason. I guess I'm not so easily impressed.
Otis
Footballguy
Frank Gore is eons tougher and has more heart than Foster. Not even close to the same guy.
GORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You people will wish you had him.Our lines are open. Call now!
Take this run to the bank, then put it in your pipe and smoke it. 1st string Indy Colts getting abused by FRANK GORE!!!!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLUTiVJbYXMLOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.
Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
I think we've tussled over these two guys before, but for the benefit of the latecomers, here are the stats for Barlow's "impressive" 5-game stretch last year:
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OPP ATT YDS YPC LNG TD REC YDS YPR LNG TDDAL 12 65 5.4 27 0 4 28 7.0 10 0@ARI 10 45 4.5 11 0 3 10 3.3 7 0IND 18 99 5.5 21 0 3 29 9.7 21 0@WAS 14 54 3.9 17 1 0 0 0 0 0 TB 26 101 3.9 29 0 2 21 10.5 14 0TheFanatic
Footballguy
You snooze you lose. If you have to wait for a guy to produce at a high level you will never get the guy on the cheap. You will overpay for a guy that everyone is high on. Get ahead of the curve instead of picking players once they are established. Gore is a couple of years removed from the knee surgery. He played through the pain last year of problems with the shoulders. The guy is motivated. Barlow can't get it done. Been given every chance to do so. Hasn't done it. So grab Boston the year after he busts out. Or Quentin Griffen the year after he busted out in Denver. Keep overpaying for guys.....
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I bet every one of the members of the Bears first team D is a believer after he ran all over them. And an NFL player needing surgery happens for more players than don't have surgeries. That's a moot point. Got something more impressive because that argument is weak.LOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Barlow had one TD in that stretch, but that's not because he wasn't running well. And this stretch of games is a helluva lot more impressive than running well against Houston, St. Louis, and Jacksonville with fresh legs at the end of the year... that's really my only point. Sure, he had some rotten games, and Gore would have too had he been playing full-time at that point. He got only 12 carries against Dallas but managed 65 yards. Gore had a nice 7 carryies for 42 yards that day, but for whatever reason, Rattay threw the ball 34 times in a 3 point loss. 10 carries for 45 yards against Arizona, and the team lost by 17. 18 carries for 99 yards at Indy? Another very nice performance in another big loss.Yes, I consider averaging 3.9 yards per carry and scoring a TD against a defense like the Redskins pretty solid. As bad as they were losing, he just didn't get more carries. In the same game, aside from Gore's 72 yard TD run against 2/3 of the backups, Gore had 8 carries for 16 yards.And putting up 100 yards rushing against Tampa Bay is a nice accomplishment too.Z-Dog said:
I think it's wrong to assume that Gore would have performed as poorly as Barlow, given that Gore was better than Barlow in nearly every game that they both got carries in. But hey, we are all entitled to our opinions, and it's my opinion that Gore is more talented, harder-working, and more determined than Barlow.
Otis
Footballguy
Agree completely with the above, and these are also the reasons he will be a successful NFL back.Gore was an awesome buy candidate last August-September. Unfortunately, folks have to pay a bit more to get him today. However, I still think he presents excellent value.
kevthegrad
Footballguy
Here here Mr. Speaker.My glass on Gore is half full because I reached EMPTY on Barlow more than a year ago. I've been sitting on Barlow for 2+ years waiting for him to 'break out'. It ain't happening, at least not yet.So now I'll take my gamble on Gore....Barlow is just another Donte Stallworth, a massive tease who will never deliver.The glass is half full, or half empty. Depending on your perspective, Gore is either a bust or a breakout player to target.Reality is that he was AMAZING before the knee injury. It wasn't certain how he'd recover from it. And though he wasn't playing top caliber defenses, from appearances, his knee is fine. Now he's two years removed from the injury and should be even healthier.So he needed shoulder surgery. Has it held him out of preseaosn games? Does it seem like it's a lingering injury? Hmmm... no.So the evidence points to the reasonable perspective being the glass is half full. Unless you are a Barlow lover, which there are plenty on the board.LOL, yep, Gore has proven a lot by getting injured in college, busting a 70+ yard TD against 2/3 of the Redskins backups in the 4th quarter of a blowout, running well with fresh legs against 2 of the 3 worst run defenses in the NFL in the final weeks of the season, and needing 2 shoulder surgeries in his first NFL offseason.Yeah, I'll take it to the bank.
duaneok66
Footballguy
el centro
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gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
Is it me or did Fanatic's examples contradict his argument?
GregR_2
Footballguy
Starting to regret having traded him away at the end of last season in a dynasty league.
jurb26
Footballguy
Because he is not on the market. I would presume the convo was something along the lines of the Jets asking who they would deal of the 2 if anyone and the 9ers saying Barlow.If Gore is so great, why didn't the Jets call and ask about him instead of Barlow?
Down Under
Footballguy
I think somehting is being missed here.
I find it odd that the coaches found it neccessary to call Barlow in and tell him he's not being shopped to the Jets.
You don't usually call in the guy planning on getting 70-80% of the load to tell him he's not being shopped, I think that would be understood.
Wouldn't it be more likely to call in the guy who isn't performing up to par or has seen his workload reduced to let him know he's still on this team and not being shopped?
I find it odd that the coaches found it neccessary to call Barlow in and tell him he's not being shopped to the Jets.
You don't usually call in the guy planning on getting 70-80% of the load to tell him he's not being shopped, I think that would be understood.
Wouldn't it be more likely to call in the guy who isn't performing up to par or has seen his workload reduced to let him know he's still on this team and not being shopped?
I got to laugh at the Gore is untouchable statement. You think we are talking LT type of player here. No way that SF does not listen if someone wants Gore. SF is going nowhere this year and can replace him in the end. I think for the right price, they would trade either of them. For the Jets they are looking for a bargain. Does not seem to be out there and in the end these are all just rumors and people downgrade or upgrade players based on such. Insanity.
