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Calling all classical music FBGs (1 Viewer)

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what's funny, and a little embarrassing, is that as I listen to some of this (currently Bach, who i'm really enjoying), I recognize the pieces from movies. already recognized one from Seven, Die Hard, and one I can't place yet.

Anyone know the piece that Robin Williams puts on in Dead Poets' Society when he lines all the kids up to kick the soccer ball?

:popcorn:

 
Mozart

The good news with Mozart is that he was a creature of the theatre. That’s not what this thread is about. His 40+ operas can be skipped in regard to essential Mozart music. I know there’s some great music in his operas, but it’s not my thing and this approach helped me cull the herd.

More good news is although the library is vast, a good bit of it can also be discarded as the clever doodles of a child genius who never grew up. It includes not only most of his earliest stuff, but a good bit of what he did in his in mid 20s too. Don’t be mistaken, I am just scratching the surface with these recommendations.

Mozart probably composed between 60 and 70 symphonies. His last four are numbered 38-41, don’t ask why, it doesn’t matter. Those are the ones to get. 35 is also excellent. I like several others too. I have the complete set from Decca’s historically informed series and several ‘cycles’ of the big four symphonies from different orchestras and conductors. A noob to owning Mozart needs one of those cycles.

I’m going to use his flute concertos as an example of why what I’m sharing here is probably better than what you’ll find somewhere else. At a site called Classics Online, I found a list of the 100 cds for building your collection. It’s a fine list, but it isn’t as careful as mine. We cross over about 60% on the compositions so google it for a preview of some of what’s to come if you’re curious. It isn’t the other 40% that makes mine better. It’s that I’ve been anal, frugal and greedy, maybe even a little snobby in my research and choices. I read, learn and listen before I own.

Classics Online and I agree these 2 flute concertos are essential Mozart. We both pick a recording that includes as a bonus the popular Concerto for Flute and Harp. We both go with low priced options, though mine is currently lower. They go with the budget Naxos label, with Patrick Gallois on flute and the Swedish Chamber Orchestra conducted by Roderick Shaw. Never heard of Shaw. Gallois is a talented player but he’s put down the flute to focus on being a conductor, and the Swedish Chamber Orchestra is also good or they wouldn’t be on such lists, but they are not considered upper echelon by any standards.

I go with the acclaimed ASMF (Academy of Saint Martin in the Fields), conducted by the orchestra’s founder, the good Knight Sir Neville Marinner, with no less than James Galway playing flute. Galway is widely regarded as one of the top, if not the top flutist of the past few decades. Marinner has directed, conducted, and performed in some of the finest orchestras in the world before founding two his own. ASMF has regularly attracted some of the finest musicians in the world (see Galway here) and is featured on the soundtracks of many popular movies including Amadeus. I’ll recommend several Naxos products going forward. They’re a terrific resource, but not when something like this is sitting on the shelf.

Mozart: Flute Concertos; Concerto for Flute & Harp, Marinner, Galway, ASMF

Or this. If you check the Classics Online list they recommend the late piano concertos by Casadesus (a ham). They’re just not very good (to be kind) in comparison to below and they sell for $28 more.

Mozart: The Great Piano Concertos, Vol. 1, Marinner, Aflred Brendel, ASMF

Brendel is another world class performer sitting in with ASMF. The earlier piano concertos (on volume 2) are not necessary.

Haydn invented the string quartet out of necessity. His boss wanted instant, fresh brewed music and he only had an ensemble of two violins, a viola and a cello available. He went on to establish the form (string quartet), and it became considered the test of a composer’s skill. Mozart and Beethoven set the bar so high many of the great romantic composers barely dabbled in string quarts. Six of Mozart’s best were dedicated to Haydn. Dedicating music to anyone but nobility was radical, but he was inspired by his ‘elder’ friend Haydn, so he took the risk. He called him Papa Haydn, and they once cobbled together an impromptu ensemble at some partita, deliberately grabbing instruments they could barely play, and had a raucous (likely drunken) time together. Mozart presented these six quartets to Haydn as six sons presented to their father. Haydn later had this to say:

"If only I could impress Mozart's inimitable works on the soul of every friend of music, and the souls of high personages in particular, as deeply, with the same musical understanding and with the same deep feeling, as I understand and feel them, the nations would vie with each other to possess such a jewel."

Get them here (14-19) w/ my favorites the Prussians (21-23):

Alban Berg Quartet - Mozart: String Quartets Nos. 14 - 23

And later when Mozart’s father was questioning his son’s career direction, Haydn advised: “Before God and as an honest man I tell you that your son is the greatest composer known to me either in person or by name: He has taste, and, furthermore, the most profound knowledge of composition.”

There’s two String Quartets (as in groups of four dudes) above all others making the rounds (or more accurately, cycles) for the past 20 years or so: My above recommendation, Alban Berg, and Emerson, who has the bigger pile of Grammies. For the more aggressive, wall of sound composers, Emerson is the choice. For Mozart, I prefer the long perfected readings and cohesion of AB.

The next two selections were the most difficult to choose. Not the pieces - they’re obvious. But the recordings. Eine Klein Nachtmusik is likely Mozart’s most popular piece. You’ll recognize it instantly. I considered covering it on a ‘greatest hits’ album. The choice below is much better. Herbert Von Karajan and the Berliner Philharmoniker will appear multiple times in any quality collection. Here, in high quality digital remastering, they come to life with Eine Klein Nachtmusik matched to two other pieces -- Divertimento k136-8 and Serenade Notturna. Karajan is a good place to go for any great composer when you can’t decide. Serenades and divertimentos are where Mozart rises above all others, imo. Think of them as the first pop songs, portable arrangements for “way less than an orchestra” meant to entertain and be played at social gatherings. 8 years ago I was seeking calming music and Mozart proved sublime. Maybe not up to the ‘voice of God’ praise in Amadeus. The piece Salieri describes in those terms is Serenade 10 for 13 Winds -- Gran Partita (Adagio). While the scene is pure fiction (like most of the movie), that piece did amaze Wolfie’s contemporaries. Choosing a rendering for the collection gave me a headache. Enter Sir Charles Mackerass, whose symphony cycles with two chamber orchestras, Prague and Scottish, are recommended for symphonies (and perhaps the best pure audio available if that‘s your thing).

Mozart: Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, etc / Karajan, Berlin PO

Mozart: Serenade for 13 Winds “Gran Partita” - Mackerras, Orchestra of St Lukes

Choosing a symphony cycle for starters was easy. There is no agreed upon essential, but these are high quality and a middle ground between the modern orchestra Mozart never wrote for, and the historically informed performances that could use a little boost. If you want the complete Mozart symphony set go with Prague. If you only want the major symphonies go with Scottish.

Mozart The Symphonies, Mackerras conducts the Prague Chamber Orchestra

Mozart Symphonies 38 Through 41, Mackerras conducts the Scottish Chamber Orchestra

Yes, chamber orchestras for Mozart. That last one is the equal of any audio I own. It’s like sitting amidst the musicians.

youtube samples:

Mackerras, Prague Chamber Orchestra - Mozart symphony 40 1st movement

Up next Bach and or Beethoven -- I'll condense these after the big three, but this was fun and admittedly self-indulgent. Hope I didn't lose anyone.

 
HIP and period instruments

I woke up this morning listening to some Bach and started writing a post about him with some recommendations and decided to get this topic out of the way, or on the table, first. Jdogg and I already touched on it a little in regard to comments about harpsichord being more honest than piano in some cases -- not better, not preferred, just more honest.

HIP = Historically Informed Performance, a modern movement in classical music aimed at recreating centuries old music to it‘s most authentic sound. A period instrument is either an ancient restored instrument from a specific period or a modern replica of the same. HIP is done on period instruments.

We’re at a point where historically informed music is considered current and fashionable, while modern orchestra arrangements are considered sort of old school -- this view is far from universal, but it‘s clear trend. I like the irony (modern is old) as much as I like both representations of the music. I won’t participate in the debate. I’ll let my ears be the judge and collect what I like from both concepts. I have an interest in the informed music simply from the perspective of wanting to hear… what Bach heard. If I like it, I want more. If not, then never mind.

In the 60s the HIP movement was immature and the performances, while probably wonderful with hallucinogenic assistance, were quite bad. In the 70s a few musicians began to uncover some great material for HIPs at the same time developing serious chops on the old instruments. By the 80s a thin market segment was being carved out and since the 90s forward there’s been an increasing upswing in the popularity of historically informed music.

I bring this up before I post ‘Bach’ because he comes from the era (Baroque) that is the main breeding ground for HIPs, and recent discoveries related to him are topical.

One is OVPP, one voice per part. Some professor/conductor uncovered evidence that Bach preferred to hear his best voices solo in parts that have historically been sung by large parts of choirs. Whatever, let the music nerds battle it out, and listen to what you like, right?

Another, closer to home, is the evidence suggesting Bach’s final unfinished masterpiece, The Art of Fugue, was written for organ. Well, I said I would help you avoid potholes, so while you may read glowing reviews of some of these organ recordings, and have a true interest in this HIP thing like me, don’t be fooled. They reduce Bach to 50s wedding music. The two particular cds with the most fab reviews are just awful, imo. Why even bother with this stuff? There’s brilliant surreal versions of AoF out there, historically informed or not. And I’m convinced most of Bach’s manuscripts were composed to be arranged in a variety of ways. I have no doubt he would love hearing the full blown Vienna Philharmonic perform his favorite work with the boys choir in full voice.

 
Bach

An entry level Bach collection needs the Well Tempered Clavier, the Art of Fugue, the Brandenberg Concertos, and the Goldberg Variations, imo. Below I include the popular Cello Suites and some others. I’m certainly missing pieces some would prefer make the first cut. I’m again avoiding choral work, which in Bach’s case means no St. Matthew Passion and no Mass in B Minor (this approach is becoming blasphemous), which are two of his greatest works (so if you’re into choir, nttawwt, these are unsurpassed).

During his life Bach was successful, well known but not particularly well respected. At a point late in his career, he became focused on writing fugues which had become unpopular. But he was pursuing something beyond popularity. During this time he finished dead last in a keyboard competition and was derided for being old fashioned despite being the most skillful musician. I doubt it bothered him at all even though he was a competitive musician with many victories notched in his harpsichord.

He credited God and hard work for his success and he worked and worked and worked at his craft during a reasonably long and productive life -- dead at 65. He was a talented musician, a scholarly composer, deeply spiritual and profoundly intelligent, with a great love for math, and applied all this with a desire to please God before man. The result of that combination is nothing short of astounding.

To paraphrase a conversation with my old virtuoso violin friend, who didn’t consider Bach her favorite, “You can dislike any composer or music but Bach and still like music, but you cannot dislike Bach and still claim you like music. Bach is music.”

“What the heck does that mean?”

“Other composers introduce you to a musical idea and give it lots of friends, happy or sad, brilliant or not, and thus they construct a piece of music. Bach introduces you to a note and tells you everything there is to know about it before introducing you to its parents and how they communicate, then siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins and soon you have intimate knowledge of a family of music. This continues note after note and family after family until you have this complete community of music, not as Bach perceived or preferred music, but as music is. From simple to complex, pure music, it’s very laws and boundaries. Anything composed within these laws discovered by Bach is music, anything outside of them is noise.”

“Music has laws?”

“Sure. Bach is to music what Einstein is to physics. He opened the gates and let us play in its universe. The laws aren‘t limiting, they‘re inspiring and liberating. ”

I’m always suspicious of that kind of language, but she’s not the only one who refers to Bach with such praise. Beethoven called him the immortal god of harmony. Mozart, once exposed to Bach’s manuscripts, begged for as much material as he could get, then went on to compose his greatest works. Still it was 40 years after Mozart’s death when Mendelssohn discovered and conducted Bach’s St. Matthew Passion; and then another decade of discovery, nearly 100 years after Bach‘s death before he was included among the truly great composers.

This is a typical quote I found while seeking links for the recommendations:

“His music is intense, rhythmic, and exciting almost beyond measure. His architectural compositions consist of musical building blocks stacked on top of musical building blocks in a dizzying combination of preludes, fugues, and counterpoint, with instrumental voice after voice echoing his thematic genius.”

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 2-- Keith Jarrett

Jarrett has done these great justice on harpsichord.

This collection was never meant by Bach to be listened to as a continuous album, and I recommend it in random play on a varied list. This link explains some tuning facts I never knew about why I prefer harpsichord in some instances. “Well-Tempered”, the title of the piece, refers to a tuning technique rarely found on piano. And Bach was all about that type of tuning here, so piano, is a reduction of the music, imo. From the link:

“If one listens to a Scarlatti sonata on a harpsichord tuned to unequal temperament (well-tempered), and then listens to the same sonata played on a similar instrument tuned to equal temperament (piano), the difference is most pronounced: in equal temperament, both the instrument, and in consequence the music, lose much of their expression and character. The general effect is bland and oily. In unequal temperament, the instrument and music come to life; the music is colourful and exciting. Again, Scarlatti, like Bach, and others, wrote music, which exploited unequal intervals to enhance the effect and expression.”

I used to think the historical correctness of harpsichord conjured up sonic images of feudal Europe thus enhancing my listening experience. Now I understand, in certain instances, the period instrument is the enhancement. Bach’s WTC is regal on harpsichord.

Yet great Bach collections begin with the below piano work.

A State of Wonder: The Complete Goldberg Variations (1955 & 1981) - Glenn Gould

When people discuss the greatest pianists of all time Gould barely gets honorable mention somewhere down a list. Yet, while almost all the great pianists have had a crack at Bach, Gould is always the first name mentioned in his regard -- nearly the only named mentioned. What gives? Gould was a loon, probably suffering from high functioning autism or Asperger’s -- the Rainman of piano. Having him play Liszt is akin to asking Rainman to drive a Ferrari. Having him play Bach, the math, the purity, the complexity, is akin to asking Rainman to have a seat at the blackjack table -- then witnessing the impossible.

Brandenburg Concertos -- Pablo Casals

Read a bio on Casals to save me a little space here, but the above recommendation is like owning a piece of music history. Casals discovered Bach’s Cello Suites in the 20s and was widely regarded as the past century’s greatest cellist. In 1964 at age 88, no longer playing, he conducted the above concertos after handpicking the finest musicians. The result has yet to be bested.

Although his cello playing was eventually bested, imo, by Slava Rostropovich, whose tone and emotion blows away the current crop of celebrated cellists.

Bach: Cello Suites Nos. 1-6 - Mtsislav Rostropovich

I’m grabbing comments from Amazon’s reviews because… well, she knows things:

“I'm a cellist in the National Symphony Orchestra, which Slava conducted for 18 years. It was my privilege to work with him and get to know him as a musician and as a person. Listening to these suites is a lot like talking to Slava--intense, human, warm, committed. No, they aren't like anyone else's playing, but Slava is unique. He has thought deeply about these pieces, knows every note in them, and wanted to pass on his vision of the music to the world. The playing is impeccable, the vision is transcendant. I prize these recordings as homage paid from one master, Slava, to another, Bach.”

As the story goes Bach died literally in the act of writing The Art of Fugue. Thankfully he was on the the 14th contrapunctus, the grande finale, when he shed his mortal coil. The 9 minutes he completed is probably my favorite Bach piece. It is both normal and acceptable for Bach fans to have a half dozen or more versions of the Art of Fugue -- piano, brass, string quartet, chamber orchestra, organ, recorders, harpsichord, period instrument ensembles, whatever. Here’s two I cannot recommend highly enough.

Art of Fugue - Delme Quartet, Robert Simpson

Art of Fugue -- Pittsburgh Symphony Brass

Perhaps the story is true and AoF was written for organ, a wind pipe instrument, because that brass ensemble sounds amazing doing AoF.

Unlike Mozart there’s no symphonies to round out a Bach foundation. The foundation is the above. Also unlike Mozart there’s no great library of opera or youthful doodles to skip in pursuit of a music library. A hundred titles could be listed below and Bach fans would still say what about this or what about that. So add a high quality “best of sonatas and cantatas” or something that doesn’t duplicate much of the above and you’ll find music you already know but didn’t know that you knew.

One last personal favorite getting a lot of play from me recently.

Bach: 4 Suites For Lute - Goran Sollscher

Youtube samples:

Jarrett Well-Tempered on Harpsichord

Göran Söllscher sublime on the 10 string

Beethoven's next

 
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Bach

An entry level Bach collection needs the Well Tempered Clavier, the Art of Fugue, the Brandenberg Concertos, and the Goldberg Variations, imo. Below I include the popular Cello Suites and some others. I’m certainly missing pieces some would prefer make the first cut. I’m again avoiding choral work, which in Bach’s case means no St. Matthew Passion and no Mass in B Minor (this approach is becoming blasphemous), which are two of his greatest works (so if you’re into choir, nttawwt, these are unsurpassed).

During his life Bach was successful, well known but not particularly well respected. At a point late in his career, he became focused on writing fugues which had become unpopular. But he was pursuing something beyond popularity. During this time he finished dead last in a keyboard competition and was derided for being old fashioned despite being the most skillful musician. I doubt it bothered him at all even though he was a competitive musician with many victories notched in his harpsichord.

He credited God and hard work for his success and he worked and worked and worked at his craft during a reasonably long and productive life -- dead at 65. He was a talented musician, a scholarly composer, deeply spiritual and profoundly intelligent, with a great love for math, and applied all this with a desire to please God before man. The result of that combination is nothing short of astounding.

To paraphrase a conversation with my old virtuoso violin friend, who didn’t consider Bach her favorite, “You can dislike any composer or music but Bach and still like music, but you cannot dislike Bach and still claim you like music. Bach is music.”

“What the heck does that mean?”

“Other composers introduce you to a musical idea and give it lots of friends, happy or sad, brilliant or not, and thus they construct a piece of music. Bach introduces you to a note and tells you everything there is to know about it before introducing you to its parents and how they communicate, then siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins and soon you have intimate knowledge of a family of music. This continues note after note and family after family until you have this complete community of music, not as Bach perceived or preferred music, but as music is. From simple to complex, pure music, it’s very laws and boundaries. Anything composed within these laws discovered by Bach is music, anything outside of them is noise.”

“Music has laws?”

“Sure. Bach is to music what Einstein is to physics. He opened the gates and let us play in its universe. The laws aren‘t limiting, they‘re inspiring and liberating. ”

I’m always suspicious of that kind of language, but she’s not the only one who refers to Bach with such praise. Beethoven called him the immortal god of harmony. Mozart, once exposed to Bach’s manuscripts, begged for as much material as he could get, then went on to compose his greatest works. Still it was 40 years after Mozart’s death when Mendelssohn discovered and conducted Bach’s St. Matthew Passion; and then another decade of discovery, nearly 100 years after Bach‘s death before he was included among the truly great composers.

This is a typical quote I found while seeking links for the recommendations:

“His music is intense, rhythmic, and exciting almost beyond measure. His architectural compositions consist of musical building blocks stacked on top of musical building blocks in a dizzying combination of preludes, fugues, and counterpoint, with instrumental voice after voice echoing his thematic genius.”

The Well-Tempered Clavier, Book 2-- Keith Jarrett

Jarrett has done these great justice on harpsichord.

This collection was never meant by Bach to be listened to as a continuous album, and I recommend it in random play on a varied list. This link explains some tuning facts I never knew about why I prefer harpsichord in some instances. “Well-Tempered”, the title of the piece, refers to a tuning technique rarely found on piano. And Bach was all about that type of tuning here, so piano, is a reduction of the music, imo. From the link:

“If one listens to a Scarlatti sonata on a harpsichord tuned to unequal temperament (well-tempered), and then listens to the same sonata played on a similar instrument tuned to equal temperament (piano), the difference is most pronounced: in equal temperament, both the instrument, and in consequence the music, lose much of their expression and character. The general effect is bland and oily. In unequal temperament, the instrument and music come to life; the music is colourful and exciting. Again, Scarlatti, like Bach, and others, wrote music, which exploited unequal intervals to enhance the effect and expression.”

I used to think the historical correctness of harpsichord conjured up sonic images of feudal Europe thus enhancing my listening experience. Now I understand, in certain instances, the period instrument is the enhancement. Bach’s WTC is regal on harpsichord.

Yet great Bach collections begin with the below piano work.

A State of Wonder: The Complete Goldberg Variations (1955 & 1981) - Glenn Gould

When people discuss the greatest pianists of all time Gould barely gets honorable mention somewhere down a list. Yet, while almost all the great pianists have had a crack at Bach, Gould is always the first name mentioned in his regard -- nearly the only named mentioned. What gives? Gould was a loon, probably suffering from high functioning autism or Asperger’s -- the Rainman of piano. Having him play Liszt is akin to asking Rainman to drive a Ferrari. Having him play Bach, the math, the purity, the complexity, is akin to asking Rainman to have a seat at the blackjack table -- then witnessing the impossible.

Brandenburg Concertos -- Pablo Casals

Read a bio on Casals to save me a little space here, but the above recommendation is like owning a piece of music history. Casals discovered Bach’s Cello Suites in the 20s and was widely regarded as the past century’s greatest cellist. In 1964 at age 88, no longer playing, he conducted the above concertos after handpicking the finest musicians. The result has yet to be bested.

Although his cello playing was eventually bested, imo, by Slava Rostropovich, whose tone and emotion blows away the current crop of celebrated cellists.

Bach: Cello Suites Nos. 1-6 - Mtsislav Rostropovich

I’m grabbing comments from Amazon’s reviews because… well, she knows things:

“I'm a cellist in the National Symphony Orchestra, which Slava conducted for 18 years. It was my privilege to work with him and get to know him as a musician and as a person. Listening to these suites is a lot like talking to Slava--intense, human, warm, committed. No, they aren't like anyone else's playing, but Slava is unique. He has thought deeply about these pieces, knows every note in them, and wanted to pass on his vision of the music to the world. The playing is impeccable, the vision is transcendant. I prize these recordings as homage paid from one master, Slava, to another, Bach.”

As the story goes Bach died literally in the act of writing The Art of Fugue. Thankfully he was on the the 14th contrapunctus, the grande finale, when he shed his mortal coil. The 9 minutes he completed is probably my favorite Bach piece. It is both normal and acceptable for Bach fans to have a half dozen or more versions of the Art of Fugue -- piano, brass, string quartet, chamber orchestra, organ, recorders, harpsichord, period instrument ensembles, whatever. Here’s two I cannot recommend highly enough.

Art of Fugue - Delme Quartet, Robert Simpson

Art of Fugue -- Pittsburgh Symphony Brass

Perhaps the story is true and AoF was written for organ, a wind pipe instrument, because that brass ensemble sounds amazing doing AoF.

Unlike Mozart there’s no symphonies to round out a Bach foundation. The foundation is the above. Also unlike Mozart there’s no great library of opera or youthful doodles to skip in pursuit of a music library. A hundred titles could be listed below and Bach fans would still say what about this or what about that. So add a high quality “best of sonatas and cantatas” or something that doesn’t duplicate much of the above and you’ll find music you already know but didn’t know that you knew.

One last personal favorite getting a lot of play from me recently.

Bach: 4 Suites For Lute - Goran Sollscher

Youtube samples:

Jarrett Well-Tempered on Harpsichord

Good stuff, dude.
 
Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.

 
Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.
I have a dozen posts in mind (already titled) to get through this and it looks terribly incomplete to me. I also have few more content ideas like the HIP post to work in, I think. I guess a 13th for masses and choral work is needed along with a 14th for opera and ballet. It's a dicey idea to attempt this without some of the stuff these composers worked hardest on. Oddly, taking this route has given me a new respect to choir work. I hate to be unforgiven. Please reconsider. :mellow:
 
Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.
I have a dozen posts in mind (already titled) to get through this and it looks terribly incomplete to me. I also have few more content ideas like the HIP post to work in, I think. I guess a 13th for masses and choral work is needed along with a 14th for opera and ballet. It's a dicey idea to attempt this without some of the stuff these composers worked hardest on. Oddly, taking this route has given me a new respect to choir work. I hate to be unforgiven. Please reconsider. :confused:
Well, OK. Tell u what - promise to include Ravel's Quartet in F (my favorite piece of music in any genre) when you get to the Romantics/Impressionists and I'll let it go....
 
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Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.
I have a dozen posts in mind (already titled) to get through this and it looks terribly incomplete to me. I also have few more content ideas like the HIP post to work in, I think. I guess a 13th for masses and choral work is needed along with a 14th for opera and ballet. It's a dicey idea to attempt this without some of the stuff these composers worked hardest on. Oddly, taking this route has given me a new respect to choir work. I hate to be unforgiven. Please reconsider. :lol:
Well, OK. Tell u what - promise to include Ravel's Quartet in F (my favorite piece of music in any genre) when you get to the Romantics/Impressionists and I'll let it go....
Ravel is brilliant. Le tombeau de Couperin is one of my favorites. His string quartet is incredible, as well.
 
Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.
I have a dozen posts in mind (already titled) to get through this and it looks terribly incomplete to me. I also have few more content ideas like the HIP post to work in, I think. I guess a 13th for masses and choral work is needed along with a 14th for opera and ballet. It's a dicey idea to attempt this without some of the stuff these composers worked hardest on. Oddly, taking this route has given me a new respect to choir work. I hate to be unforgiven. Please reconsider. :lmao:
Well, OK. Tell u what - promise to include Ravel's Quartet in F (my favorite piece of music in any genre) when you get to the Romantics/Impressionists and I'll let it go....
Ravel is brilliant. Le tombeau de Couperin is one of my favorites. His string quartet is incredible, as well.
I agree. I'm too fickle to call something my favorite with any conviction, but I think Ravel towers over his impressionist peers and at times that's my favorite category. I have a large Ravel collection, but tried to keep it real simple for this project, ya know focusing on these first three and the better known romantics. Meh. Long way to go here.I had part (the 4th part) of quartet in f on a recording for the list. I agree it's outstanding. It's really hard to keep these narrowed down, but I'll accommodate wikkid by moving Bolero alongside La Mer for a dual Ravel Debussy recording that's really good (Solti leading the Chicago PO) and make space for Emerson to cover the entire quartet in f. Unless, wikkid, you have a recording in mind better than Emerson? Is there such a thing? I have the Julliard SQ doing a good version with some Debussy along. Hmm, maybe those two combined a few times actually gets more material on less selections...
 
Herr Chaos is providing an excellent service, but leaving St John's Passion to go unmentioned is unforgivable. MUCH stronger than the Matthew or B Mass and the "Lord, Our Master" opening comes closer to capturing a tactile sense of godliness than anything that has echoed thru the hollow hall of this heart, even the Ode to Joy.
I have a dozen posts in mind (already titled) to get through this and it looks terribly incomplete to me. I also have few more content ideas like the HIP post to work in, I think. I guess a 13th for masses and choral work is needed along with a 14th for opera and ballet. It's a dicey idea to attempt this without some of the stuff these composers worked hardest on. Oddly, taking this route has given me a new respect to choir work. I hate to be unforgiven. Please reconsider. :shrug:
Well, OK. Tell u what - promise to include Ravel's Quartet in F (my favorite piece of music in any genre) when you get to the Romantics/Impressionists and I'll let it go....
Ravel is brilliant. Le tombeau de Couperin is one of my favorites. His string quartet is incredible, as well.
I agree. I'm too fickle to call something my favorite with any conviction, but I think Ravel towers over his impressionist peers and at times that's my favorite category. I have a large Ravel collection, but tried to keep it real simple for this project, ya know focusing on these first three and the better known romantics. Meh. Long way to go here.I had part (the 4th part) of quartet in f on a recording for the list. I agree it's outstanding. It's really hard to keep these narrowed down, but I'll accommodate wikkid by moving Bolero alongside La Mer for a dual Ravel Debussy recording that's really good (Solti leading the Chicago PO) and make space for Emerson to cover the entire quartet in f. Unless, wikkid, you have a recording in mind better than Emerson? Is there such a thing? I have the Julliard SQ doing a good version with some Debussy along. Hmm, maybe those two combined a few times actually gets more material on less selections...
I'd call the Ravel string quartet a must-own. One of the most beautiful first movements I've ever heard.
 
Unless, wikkid, you have a recording in mind better than Emerson? Is there such a thing? I have the Julliard SQ doing a good version with some Debussy along. Hmm, maybe those two combined a few times actually gets more material on less selections...
No, definitely the Emerson for Deutschegrammaphone. I bought a half dozen other versions because the F is virtually always paired with the Debussy quartet on CDs, but i prefer to listen to the Ravel first & the Emerson wasnt that way. but i kept going back to the Emerson.
 
:coffee: not sure what happened to the OP, but i've recently discovered a genuine admiration of classical music. i'm wondering if this is just a passing fancy or I could really develop a love for it.other than knowing who the biggies are, i'm pretty much a noob, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
I'm guessing his user name had something to do with his untimely demise.Good stuff posted throughout the thread :lmao:
 
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not sure what happened to the OP, but i've recently discovered a genuine admiration of classical music. i'm wondering if this is just a passing fancy or I could really develop a love for it.

other than knowing who the biggies are, i'm pretty much a noob, so any suggestions would be appreciated.
Still listening? Over the last few months I have gone from listening to maybe 10% classical to like 80%.

 

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