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[RalphMouth]

1) Thomas Jones- Is he still the starter ? Is this his last year in New York ?

2) Leon Washington- There has been some chatter he could see 300 touches (I don't see it happening)

Is he able to be an everydown back ? Will he just be the 3rd down guy ?

3) Shonn Greene- Will he be the starter as soon as next year? Is he the goal line guy ?

I know he's been banged up but looks like he's playing/practicing through it

and the coaches love his toughness.

What percentage of carries do you see each back getting this year ?

For example ....

Jones 50%

Washington 30%

Greene 20%

 

[jaylasoul14]

For fantasy purposes, i wouldnt touch any of them except greene in the last few rounds, so far it smells like the dreaded triple RBBC, I'm a die hard Jet fan and live in Queens. 50/30/20 sounds about right. Leon is about to get paid the same amount of loot Jones gets, so he wont be happy very shortly

 

[Zow]

What's the word on Leon getting the special teams touches?

 

[Reaper]

Corpcow just posted this in the Jets thread:

Fantasy-wise, I actually think Thomas Jones will again be a good value. I've said this here and in other threads, but I think he is really getting a bad rap. There's such a rookie bias - I'm hopeful Green can be something, but he's hurt already and wasn't a guy I was OVERLY excited about. (In fact, as I said, I think the best thing about Green is the fact that he's a less complete back so ultimately could mean a bigger role for Leon). Meanwhile, TJ had his best statistical year even when I thought he wasn't getting enough carries, and I thought he looked pretty good doing it. Favre BS aside, we geared up to be a power running team last year, and now we have a coach (and a rookie QB) who will make sure we'll play to that.

I can buy that... And I certainly agree the Jets didn't run enough last year. Leon especially was underused.Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...Thomas Jones should be the workhorse back. Greene has potential to be the TD vulture.Lets say:TJ 230 carries 30 recLeon 150 Carries 50 recGreen 70 carries 0 Rec

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...

Rex Ryan had a great line during OTAs. He said that defenders bounce off of the kid (Greene), but unfortunately so do passes.

 

[Banger]

Corpcow just posted this in the Jets thread:

Fantasy-wise, I actually think Thomas Jones will again be a good value. I've said this here and in other threads, but I think he is really getting a bad rap. There's such a rookie bias - I'm hopeful Green can be something, but he's hurt already and wasn't a guy I was OVERLY excited about. (In fact, as I said, I think the best thing about Green is the fact that he's a less complete back so ultimately could mean a bigger role for Leon). Meanwhile, TJ had his best statistical year even when I thought he wasn't getting enough carries, and I thought he looked pretty good doing it. Favre BS aside, we geared up to be a power running team last year, and now we have a coach (and a rookie QB) who will make sure we'll play to that.

I can buy that... And I certainly agree the Jets didn't run enough last year. Leon especially was underused.Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...Thomas Jones should be the workhorse back. Greene has potential to be the TD vulture.Lets say:TJ 230 carries 30 recLeon 150 Carries 50 recGreen 70 carries 0 Rec

Like always FFers are putting the vet to rest before the coach will. T. Jones was a very solid back for them and he's their present, not their future. Greene will offer good insurance and is their future but with 2 other good backs in front of him I think carries will be tough to come by except in the occassional 4th qtr blowout or if there's an injury. From all accounts Ryan likes Washington so he should get a couple more touches probably at the expense of Jones.

 

[RUSF18]

Has someone actually "chatted" that Leon could get 300 touches?

 

[zamboni]

I agree with most that Jones will remain the bellcow, with Leon the change of pace. Greene will probably get a handful of carries here and there in the early stages.

That said, if the Jets fall out of contention early (which we Jets fans brace for every year), then Greene may assume a much larger role given that this is probably Jones' last year with Gang Green and Ryan wants to see what the rook can do.

 

[Todem]

Greene will not be their future bell cow. That player has not been drafted yet. I smell Ron Dayne with Greene.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[MCguidance]

I see Washington getting more carries, but that's because we will bet throwing less and running more. In essence, a high tide raises all boats (a bigger pie from which to slice). There's no reason to think Jones will be cast aside without injury. But you can bet that Washington will be used more appropriately this season than last given the amount of times the Jets will play ball control.

What that means? Not so sure - first year under a new coach (albeit with Shotty still as OC) we might have to wait and see. I think both TJ and Washington represent a decent value as a 3rd RB and bye week injury fill in, respectively. JMO Jet's homer opinion.

 

[jah2707]

Coach Rex Ryan angrily refuted rumors Wednesday that the Jets are shopping Thomas Jones.

"I promise you, that is ridiculous," he said. "This guy is huge in our plans. I'm not going to trade the running back that led the AFC in rushing. We ain't dealing him." The Jets do have Jones under contract for $900K in 2009, which is chump change even for a backup. It looks like he's staying put

HUGE plans. sounds likes like Jones could = sleeper this year.

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

Greene will not be their future bell cow. That player has not been drafted yet. I smell Ron Dayne with Greene.Just my 2 cents.

what are u basing this comparison on? yes they are both from the Big10 and yes they are bigger RB's but thats it. Dayne while at wisconsin and i the NFL was a Big slow RB that really really liked to dance, which was Ok while he was wisconsin as they had some(and still do) unbelievable Off lines while he was there. his style didn't fit in the NFL. if u want to dance in the nfl u better have the skillset of atleast edge, or if your a heavier RB u better have the feet of Bettis. Shonn Greene doesn not Dance, he's a 1cut hit the hole with trememdous force type RB that breaks any tackle thats not serious(arm/half ###/no wrap up)

 

[NYRAGE]

from today's NY Post

Ryan said Shonn Greene is exceeding expectations in receiving and pass-blocking, the lack of which usually keeps rookie backs off the field.

 

[Patoons]

from today's NY PostRyan said Shonn Greene is exceeding expectations in receiving and pass-blocking, the lack of which usually keeps rookie backs off the field.

Ryan just seems to love this kid. If this true, should be interesting to see how it cuts in to Jones' touches.

 

[el-gato-grande]

Somebody just dropped Leon Washington in my keeper league.

Jet's homers - is he worth picking up over RB4/5 guys like Chester Taylor or Earnest Graham? I have Taylor because he's handcuffed to AP who is also on my roster. I guess I'm just wondering if Washington will get enough touches to be a spot starter or does he have some upside to potentially start in the flex? That is what I look for in a RB4/5. Thoughts?

 

[Rovers]

Leon is definitely RB4 material in any 12 team league. Even when he gets limited touches, he can have a nice FF day on any given play, as he can go for a 65 yard TD at any time.

I expect to see it play out like this:

TJ-60 to 65%

Leon- 30 to 35%

Greene- 10%

I look for the Jets to use some 2 RB sets on occassion. Jones will still be the bell cow, but I expect that the RB's will get more touches overall this year vs last. If Greene continues to improve, as the season wears on, he could get a higher percentage of touches.

 

[njherdfan]

Jones will 100% be gone next year, his contract calls for him making 7 million next year, and there's no way that's happening. I think Greene has phenomenal keeper value, because he'll be the goal line/primary ball carrier this year. The primary issue with all of the jets backs, however, is the question mark hanging over their passing game. If Clemens or Sanchez can't establish himself, then the Jets backs can expect to see 8 and 9 man fronts constantly which should hamper all of their effectiveness

 

[Traders2001]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I am comparing his situation to the one Felix Jones is in .

 

[njherdfan]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I would have to disagree there and say Dustin Keller is by far the team's best offensive weapon. He looked great against the Rams and he'll probably be target 1A for whoever the QB is

 

[Hawk Fan]

Is Leon Washington still doing kickoff and punt returns?

 

[Traders2001]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I would have to disagree there and say Dustin Keller is by far the team's best offensive weapon. He looked great against the Rams and he'll probably be target 1A for whoever the QB is

You are right . It s not exactly what i meant .I wanted to say that Washington is the most dangerous cause he is the only one besides Clowney who can take it to the end zone from anywhere on the field.

 

[njherdfan]

Is Leon Washington still doing kickoff and punt returns?

I think Leonhard's gonna handle punt returns, but he's doing KRs

 

[njherdfan]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I would have to disagree there and say Dustin Keller is by far the team's best offensive weapon. He looked great against the Rams and he'll probably be target 1A for whoever the QB is

You are right . It s not exactly what i meant .I wanted to say that Washington is the most dangerous cause he is the only one besides Clowney who can take it to the end zone from anywhere on the field.

Completely agree. He's the only real home run threat (along with preseason HOFer David Clownehy)

 

[Rovers]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .They need to have him on the field early and often.I am comparing his situation to the one Felix Jones is in .

One thing Ryan has proven to be so far is starkly honest. Jones WILL be a major part of the offense, and he is NOT on the trading block, period. Is it TJ's last year as a Jet? Most likely so, but he's still a bog part of this Jets offense and will be all year. Now that the Mangini handcuffs are off of OC Schottenheimer's wrists, Keller, Clowney and Leon are all quick strike offensive weapons.... while last year only Washington had that potential. Stuckey is best suited as a slot guy, and he is very good at finding seams in the D, but he's not explosive. I agree, the hype around Greene is overblown. Jones led the AFC in rushing last year, and I for one would not be surprised if he did it again. There will likely be more touches for all the Jets RB's this year. No Favre.... and that will make a big difference. Ryan wants ball control, and has the O line to do that, but with some quick strike options to keep the opposing D from overloading the box. Put 8 in the box.... watch Keller burn the defense. With Clowney, the safeties had better be available for deep help, or get burned... this kid is fast.

 

[PahtyTom]

I don't understand all the publications saying TJ is OVERRATED. He's coming off a year where he put up 1st round type numbers, yet his ADP is in the LATE 5th. That seems like the market has MORE THAN ADJUSTED for all the different factors around him this year. Honestly, if anything, I think he is underrated.

 

[Sebowski]

I don't understand all the publications saying TJ is OVERRATED. He's coming off a year where he put up 1st round type numbers, yet his ADP is in the LATE 5th. That seems like the market has MORE THAN ADJUSTED for all the different factors around him this year. Honestly, if anything, I think he is underrated.

I think Curtis Martin going for 1,697 in '04 and 735 in '05, then right out of the league is a factor here. Drafting Greene only adds fuel to that fire. I'm with you though. I think Jones will have 1,100+ yards and 8+TDs

 

[Traders2001]

I don't understand all the publications saying TJ is OVERRATED. He's coming off a year where he put up 1st round type numbers, yet his ADP is in the LATE 5th. That seems like the market has MORE THAN ADJUSTED for all the different factors around him this year. Honestly, if anything, I think he is underrated.

I think Curtis Martin going for 1,697 in '04 and 735 in '05, then right out of the league is a factor here. Drafting Greene only adds fuel to that fire. I'm with you though. I think Jones will have 1,100+ yards and 8+TDs

They drafted Greene in the third round , so he is far from being a sure thing .I think Washington gets the nod if Jones is traded or not playing good .Greene is a guy they see for the longer term if Washington or Jones cant get the job done .

 

[Rovers]

I don't understand all the publications saying TJ is OVERRATED. He's coming off a year where he put up 1st round type numbers, yet his ADP is in the LATE 5th. That seems like the market has MORE THAN ADJUSTED for all the different factors around him this year. Honestly, if anything, I think he is underrated.

I think Curtis Martin going for 1,697 in '04 and 735 in '05, then right out of the league is a factor here. Drafting Greene only adds fuel to that fire. I'm with you though. I think Jones will have 1,100+ yards and 8+TDs

Martin got hurt and Herman Edwards just kept sending him out there with a very bad knee. Edwards later went on to say he never should have done that, and he knows he shortened Martin's career in the process (this second statement he never said, but knows IMO). This he did while all the while proclaiming how he would never jepordize a player's career, but he did it with Pennington too. Barring an injury to Jones, there is no Jones-Martin comparison. Jones IS under rated this year, both by this site and general ADP rankings. How many people keep saying Leon Washington will have some sort of breakout year, getting so many more touches? They said the same thing last year too. Not gonna happen, although I do look for Leon to get 2 to 3 more touches per game. Greene has been a disappointment to me, at least between the tackles so far. As others have mentioned at this site, he seems eerilly like Ron Dayne.... has the size, has the hype, but doesn't run with the sort of power between the tackles he has been advertised to have. He, like Dayne, seems to want to stop and spin instead of making the power run. Greene aint Leon.... and he has yet to learn that. Even the small Washington looks better on inside runs to me so far. Jones is under rated, Leon over rated, and Greene is all hype and no substance so far. Yes, I did say in another thread that LW would be a solid 4th RB in any 12 team league but that for this year, is his ceiling barring a Jones injury.

 

[CrossEyed]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I am comparing his situation to the one Felix Jones is in .

One thing Ryan has proven to be so far is starkly honest. Jones WILL be a major part of the offense, and he is NOT on the trading block, period. Is it TJ's last year as a Jet? Most likely so, but he's still a bog part of this Jets offense and will be all year. Now that the Mangini handcuffs are off of OC Schottenheimer's wrists, Keller, Clowney and Leon are all quick strike offensive weapons.... while last year only Washington had that potential. Stuckey is best suited as a slot guy, and he is very good at finding seams in the D, but he's not explosive.

I agree, the hype around Greene is overblown. Jones led the AFC in rushing last year, and I for one would not be surprised if he did it again. There will likely be more touches for all the Jets RB's this year. No Favre.... and that will make a big difference. Ryan wants ball control, and has the O line to do that, but with some quick strike options to keep the opposing D from overloading the box. Put 8 in the box.... watch Keller burn the defense. With Clowney, the safeties had better be available for deep help, or get burned... this kid is fast.

I would be surprised. I don't see the Jets as serious playoff contenders this year and as soon as they are out of it they will want to see what they have in Greene.

 

[Rovers]

Greene is a 3rd round pick .

So it s not like they have to play him now to justify the pick .

I think Greene is overrated ( By most of us in fantasy leagues ) .

When they ask Ryan if Jones is on the market ( What else do you expect him top say , other then denying it ) .

Washington is the most dangerous weapon they have on that offense by far ( Clowney will also be electrifying at times ) .

They need to have him on the field early and often.

I am comparing his situation to the one Felix Jones is in .

One thing Ryan has proven to be so far is starkly honest. Jones WILL be a major part of the offense, and he is NOT on the trading block, period. Is it TJ's last year as a Jet? Most likely so, but he's still a bog part of this Jets offense and will be all year. Now that the Mangini handcuffs are off of OC Schottenheimer's wrists, Keller, Clowney and Leon are all quick strike offensive weapons.... while last year only Washington had that potential. Stuckey is best suited as a slot guy, and he is very good at finding seams in the D, but he's not explosive.

I agree, the hype around Greene is overblown. Jones led the AFC in rushing last year, and I for one would not be surprised if he did it again. There will likely be more touches for all the Jets RB's this year. No Favre.... and that will make a big difference. Ryan wants ball control, and has the O line to do that, but with some quick strike options to keep the opposing D from overloading the box. Put 8 in the box.... watch Keller burn the defense. With Clowney, the safeties had better be available for deep help, or get burned... this kid is fast.

I would be surprised. I don't see the Jets as serious playoff contenders this year and as soon as they are out of it they will want to see what they have in Greene.

Tonight's game is exactly why I say I would not be surprised to see Jones have another good year, and again, likely his last as a Jet. The Jets won't be able to throw a whole lot, neither QB can run that sort of offense, while at some point. Sanchez may improve enough to do that. Not to be an I told you so sort, but Clowney did just show up again in the end zone. He is a dangerous WR.

 

[theplayer11]

tonight's game shows me why T Jones may not have a year like last year...bad offense, less scoring

 

[PahtyTom]

tonight's game shows me why T Jones may not have a year like last year...bad offense, less scoring

No one is expecting last year. If they were, he would be getting drafted in the 1st instead of the 6th.

 

[Multiple Scores]

tonight's game shows me why T Jones may not have a year like last year...bad offense, less scoring

Tonights game tells me one thing, the Jets played one of the very best and most dangerous defenses in the league. Let's not overreact about one game vs. the Ravens, does everyone honestly believe that if the Jets played the Broncos tonight the result would be the same?

 

[TLEF316]

Leon Washington is a tremendously talented football player that was badly underutilized by the previous regime. He's westbrook waiting to happen. Been saying it for 2 and a half years now.

 

[Barry Jive and The Uptown Five]

Honestly, I expect to see more of what I saw tonight.

Leon Washington... 10 touches 83 yds 1 TD

Watching the game in a bar, it seemed like he was getting 10 yds a touch & reality wasn't far off. He looked 3 steps faster than anyone on the field.

 

[TLEF316]

Leon's under-utilization alone should have been enough to ensure that Eric Mangini never got another NFL job.

Brian Schotenheimer ( i have no idea how to spell it) deserves some blame as well, but considering how tight a grip fat bot kept on the team, i'm willing to give him a shot to make amends this year.

If Leon doesn't get 20 touches a game behind that O-line (and with the Jets relative weakness at WR) NY is leaving points on the table.

 

[Rovers]

tonight's game shows me why T Jones may not have a year like last year...bad offense, less scoring

No one is expecting last year. If they were, he would be getting drafted in the 1st instead of the 6th.

Nor do I expect a repeat of last year for Jones, but he isn't going to fall off a cliff either. I said I would not be surprised he had similar numbers again this year, not that I expect him to repeat, big difference. Getting Jones in the 6th has a very good chance of being a SOD pick. I've been saying this all along... Jones will still be the bell cow, Leon will get more touches, maybe 3 to 5 more per game over last year, but the Jets will run more than they did last year too. They have the O line for that, they have the tricky QB situation for it as well. I don't see the Jets as having a bad offense.... bad QB situation, yes, but they can still run the ball and have a couple of potential game breakers on offense- Washington, Keller (who had a quiet night) and Clowney. The Jets ran the ball pretty well against the Ravens tonight. Using Washington the way they did might help keep some pressure off the Jets QB as well.

 

[MCguidance]

Leon's under-utilization alone should have been enough to ensure that Eric Mangini never got another NFL job.

Brian Schotenheimer ( i have no idea how to spell it) deserves some blame as well, but considering how tight a grip fat bot kept on the team, i'm willing to give him a shot to make amends this year.

If Leon doesn't get 20 touches a game behind that O-line (and with the Jets relative weakness at WR) NY is leaving points on the table.

Even if this were true, it's not going to happen barring injury to TJones. I just dont see Neon getting the full time opp. until next year. I wish it weren't true, though.

 

[Rovers]

Leon's under-utilization alone should have been enough to ensure that Eric Mangini never got another NFL job.Brian Schotenheimer ( i have no idea how to spell it) deserves some blame as well, but considering how tight a grip fat bot kept on the team, i'm willing to give him a shot to make amends this year.If Leon doesn't get 20 touches a game behind that O-line (and with the Jets relative weakness at WR) NY is leaving points on the table.

Mangini had handcuffs on Schottenheimer, make no mistake about that. Clowney is another example of a player who had big play game breaking potential but was never allowed on the field. All Clowney does is catch two passes a game and one usually goes for a long TD. Yes, that is all preseaon, but it's against the ones this year, and he continues to make big plays. Just having Clowney's speed on the field opens things up for Washington, Keller and Cotchery. Few NFL CB's can stay with Clowney deep. That keeps the safeties honest. Sets up mismatches like LB's trying to cover either Washington or Keller. Jones has an important role. Lots of carries, wear down the D. Washington should be more than the COP RB this year, but it's still gonna be Jones as the bell cow.

 

[ikequebec]

Rex likes the 3 headed monster... aka Ravens last year they are all a crap shoot

 

[Rovers]

Rex likes the 3 headed monster... aka Ravens last year they are all a crap shoot

Did Rex run the offense in Baltimore?

 

[Maven]

Green = Mcclain, Mcgahee = Jones, Washington = Rice....

 

[fantasyplayer]

How do Jets homers see this shaking out next season. If TJ is gone, will the pie be divided roughly equally between Washington and Greene? Or will someone else be brought in?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Corpcow just posted this in the Jets thread:

Fantasy-wise, I actually think Thomas Jones will again be a good value. I've said this here and in other threads, but I think he is really getting a bad rap. There's such a rookie bias - I'm hopeful Green can be something, but he's hurt already and wasn't a guy I was OVERLY excited about. (In fact, as I said, I think the best thing about Green is the fact that he's a less complete back so ultimately could mean a bigger role for Leon). Meanwhile, TJ had his best statistical year even when I thought he wasn't getting enough carries, and I thought he looked pretty good doing it. Favre BS aside, we geared up to be a power running team last year, and now we have a coach (and a rookie QB) who will make sure we'll play to that.

I can buy that... And I certainly agree the Jets didn't run enough last year. Leon especially was underused.Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...Thomas Jones should be the workhorse back. Greene has potential to be the TD vulture.Lets say:TJ 230 carries 30 recLeon 150 Carries 50 recGreen 70 carries 0 Rec

Like always FFers are putting the vet to rest before the coach will. T. Jones was a very solid back for them and he's their present, not their future. Greene will offer good insurance and is their future but with 2 other good backs in front of him I think carries will be tough to come by except in the occassional 4th qtr blowout or if there's an injury. From all accounts Ryan likes Washington so he should get a couple more touches probably at the expense of Jones.

While I agree vets get put out to pasture too early many times, the kids coming out of college have been so much more athletic than in the past they have come in and performed well of late. My main issue is that I think Thomas Jones is a below average RB and a better player would do a lot more. He does everything, but as a runner he doesn't have much shake and doesn't break many tackles and is slow. he is tough, but I think he is one of the weaker starters in the NFL. The Jet OL opened some big holes for him. He is on the talent level of a D. Ward. I think you will see Ward struggle compared to the way he ran with the Giants.

 

[Multiple Scores]

How do Jets homers see this shaking out next season. If TJ is gone, will the pie be divided roughly equally between Washington and Greene? Or will someone else be brought in?

The Jets acquired the first pick on Day 2 by trading up 11 spots to the top of the third round, sending third-, fourth- and seventh-round picks to the Lions - a steep price. GM Mike Tannenbaum, already down a pick after sending two to the Browns in the Sanchez blockbuster, admitted he was hesitant to do it again. But he called it a "compelling opportunity" to get Greene, a New Jersey product.Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...l#ixzz0PCdORyLg

 

[Multiple Scores]

Shonn Greene hurt his ribs last night, Rex Ryan says it is not serious.

 

[Rovers]

Corpcow just posted this in the Jets thread:

Fantasy-wise, I actually think Thomas Jones will again be a good value. I've said this here and in other threads, but I think he is really getting a bad rap. There's such a rookie bias - I'm hopeful Green can be something, but he's hurt already and wasn't a guy I was OVERLY excited about. (In fact, as I said, I think the best thing about Green is the fact that he's a less complete back so ultimately could mean a bigger role for Leon). Meanwhile, TJ had his best statistical year even when I thought he wasn't getting enough carries, and I thought he looked pretty good doing it. Favre BS aside, we geared up to be a power running team last year, and now we have a coach (and a rookie QB) who will make sure we'll play to that.

I can buy that... And I certainly agree the Jets didn't run enough last year. Leon especially was underused.Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...Thomas Jones should be the workhorse back. Greene has potential to be the TD vulture.Lets say:TJ 230 carries 30 recLeon 150 Carries 50 recGreen 70 carries 0 Rec

Like always FFers are putting the vet to rest before the coach will. T. Jones was a very solid back for them and he's their present, not their future. Greene will offer good insurance and is their future but with 2 other good backs in front of him I think carries will be tough to come by except in the occassional 4th qtr blowout or if there's an injury. From all accounts Ryan likes Washington so he should get a couple more touches probably at the expense of Jones.

While I agree vets get put out to pasture too early many times, the kids coming out of college have been so much more athletic than in the past they have come in and performed well of late. My main issue is that I think Thomas Jones is a below average RB and a better player would do a lot more. He does everything, but as a runner he doesn't have much shake and doesn't break many tackles and is slow. he is tough, but I think he is one of the weaker starters in the NFL. The Jet OL opened some big holes for him. He is on the talent level of a D. Ward. I think you will see Ward struggle compared to the way he ran with the Giants.

Jones doesn't do anything great, but he does everything well. Whether it's Clemens or Sanchez, his leadership and experience in that backfield means he will still be the guy this year. Greene is well, green. He has yet to show me he is Jones' equal in short yardage, and Jones aint so great at that either. Greene will get his chance, but it will be next year, barring an injury to Jones.

 

[newteech]

IMO Sanchez has looked lost out there.

Whoever is running the ball for the Jets will be seeing a lot of 8-man fronts.

 

[Aardvarks]

Here's what I know

Thomas Jones had a great fantasy year in 08 but he's lost a step and if you didn't notice, you will surely see it this year.

Leon Washington has big-time pop, a whirlwind out there. He's going to get the ball a lot more ..

Shonn Greene is typical rookie hype- don't count on any fantasy worthy numbers unless T or L get hurt

Here's what I'm guessing

Thomas Jones will fade as the season goes on.

Leon will get fairly close to the 300 total touches Peter King predicted, possibly 180 carries, 70 catches. One of the best value picks of 2009 FF.....

Shonn Greene will be forgotten in 3 yrs

 

[Liquid Tension]

Corpcow just posted this in the Jets thread:

Fantasy-wise, I actually think Thomas Jones will again be a good value. I've said this here and in other threads, but I think he is really getting a bad rap. There's such a rookie bias - I'm hopeful Green can be something, but he's hurt already and wasn't a guy I was OVERLY excited about. (In fact, as I said, I think the best thing about Green is the fact that he's a less complete back so ultimately could mean a bigger role for Leon). Meanwhile, TJ had his best statistical year even when I thought he wasn't getting enough carries, and I thought he looked pretty good doing it. Favre BS aside, we geared up to be a power running team last year, and now we have a coach (and a rookie QB) who will make sure we'll play to that.

I can buy that... And I certainly agree the Jets didn't run enough last year. Leon especially was underused.Greene has a way to go to learn pass protections and IMO will get a lot of the short yardage stuff with near Zero receptions...Thomas Jones should be the workhorse back. Greene has potential to be the TD vulture.Lets say:TJ 230 carries 30 recLeon 150 Carries 50 recGreen 70 carries 0 Rec

Like always FFers are putting the vet to rest before the coach will. T. Jones was a very solid back for them and he's their present, not their future. Greene will offer good insurance and is their future but with 2 other good backs in front of him I think carries will be tough to come by except in the occassional 4th qtr blowout or if there's an injury. From all accounts Ryan likes Washington so he should get a couple more touches probably at the expense of Jones.

While I agree vets get put out to pasture too early many times, the kids coming out of college have been so much more athletic than in the past they have come in and performed well of late. My main issue is that I think Thomas Jones is a below average RB and a better player would do a lot more. He does everything, but as a runner he doesn't have much shake and doesn't break many tackles and is slow. he is tough, but I think he is one of the weaker starters in the NFL. The Jet OL opened some big holes for him. He is on the talent level of a D. Ward. I think you will see Ward struggle compared to the way he ran with the Giants.

Jones doesn't do anything great, but he does everything well. Whether it's Clemens or Sanchez, his leadership and experience in that backfield means he will still be the guy this year. Greene is well, green. He has yet to show me he is Jones' equal in short yardage, and Jones aint so great at that either. Greene will get his chance, but it will be next year, barring an injury to Jones.

I do not think he does everything well. He is one of the slower backs in the NFL, he doesn't have good juke moves, he doesn't have great vision and he doesn't make sharp cuts to get to the 2nd level. Outside of that he does everything well.