SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I already have Lundy, do I need to also grab Morency just in case it doesn't work out with the rookie?
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SteelerMurf
Footballguy
Sorry to bore you , but I have not seen anyone discuss the possibility........gasp.........he won't keep the job past week #1.I now have them both and feel much better about it. I suggest others do it too if they have a roster spot open.Who is lundy??SteelerMurf said:
harryhood
Footballguy
yea this is definately the first DD/morency/lundi thread on this boardSorry to bore you , but I have not seen anyone discuss the possibility........gasp.........he won't keep the job past week #1.I now have them both and feel much better about it. I suggest others do it too if they have a roster spot open.Who is lundy??SteelerMurf said:
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
I once owned Morency. Then reality set in and I dropped him for Lundy. It's Lundy's job to lose and he's shown nothing in the preaseason that would indicate he's not talented enough to carry the load. Heck, Morency hasn't even looked that great-not in running and not in blocking. How or why people are still swinging from Morency's jock is beyond me.
Morency is the more talented RB - he's got more burst, more breakaway speed, and much better moves in the open field. I think they're close to equal in all important categories like pass protection and running the play as designed - but im giving the edge to Lundy in those areas.
My prediction is that the season starts with about 2:1 split in series for Lundy and series for Morency, but Morency will be more explosive and eventually flip that split to get the lion's share of work.
My prediction is that the season starts with about 2:1 split in series for Lundy and series for Morency, but Morency will be more explosive and eventually flip that split to get the lion's share of work.
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Raging Alpaca
Footballguy
What about those of you who are Morency-only owners? Selling, or staying put?
Boulder Toads
Footballguy
Staying put for now (as my RB6). I just missed out on picking up Wali this week with the waiver order. Morency only cost me a 16th rounder, so I'm going to wait for an opportunity to play, trade or drop him as the season begins & progresses.
Fla\/\/ed
Footballguy
Good point. There haven't been any recent threads discussing Morency and/or Lundy.Sorry to bore you , but I have not seen anyone discuss the possibility........gasp.........he won't keep the job past week #1.Who is lundy??SteelerMurf said:
redman
Footballguy
Staying put. What could I possibly get in trade for him at this point that would either reflect his potential value or justify what I gave up (a high draft pick plus time on my roster) to keep him to date?
3C's
Footballguy
Staying put...for now. I think the scenario Bloom laid out is likely.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Value? There's not many true RB bench options that have his potential upside. I guesses wrong a couple weeks ago and took Morency (vs. Lundy on the board), but I'm hanging on. He's one hit or a couple more fumbles away from RB1 status - only behind a rookie - on a solid rushing team. IMO, his fate was sealed vs. DEN in the 3rd qtr of the last pre-season game when he COMPLETELY whiffed on a pass protection - picking up a blitzing LB up the middle - and almost got Rosenfels killed.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
What has Lundy shown (or not shown)? Morency hasn't looked that good, has he?
Lundy, like Mike Bell, has shown the ability to be very competent. He makes decisive cuts and runs hard. He has not shown is the speed to run away from defenders and make their angles look bad, and he has not shown open field moves to make the first tackler miss. He's just not that kind of runner. My belief is based on my scouting of Morency over the last few years and the fact that the coaches don't seem to be down on his running style any longer more than what Morency has shown in preseason this year. Morency was extremely impressive in his last year at Oklahoma St (2004) - as impressive as Tatum Bell in 2003 at OK St. and as impressive as Cedric Benson was down at UT in 04.The coaches are smart to put the more reliable player out there to start the season, but I predict Morency's ability to make something out of nothing and break long runs will get him more carries over the course of the season.What has Lundy shown (or not shown)? Morency hasn't looked that good, has he?
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Donnybrook
Footballguy
John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports “Rookie Wali Lundy will start at running back against the Eagles. Vernand Morency will come off the bench.”
Neither Lundy nor Morency will play in the preseason finale versus the Bucs. It smells like RBBC to me.
Neither Lundy nor Morency will play in the preseason finale versus the Bucs. It smells like RBBC to me.
dapunisher
Footballguy
I also guessed wrong with my final pick of the draft and took Morency instead of Lundy, prior to the recent information indicating that Lundy will be the starter, at least initially. It was a pure upside/bye week filler selection for me, so I'll hang on to Vernand for at least a few games.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I got Vern so late that im just gonna hold on to him and wait and see.
Let it go people. Morency has no value... let it go...
Kubiac drafted Lundy. They competed for the job. Lundy won. Kubiac named Lundy the starter. Is it etched in stone? No. But I see no reason why Kubiac would have a sudden change of heart, or Morency would have a sudden change of talent.
Kubiac drafted Lundy. They competed for the job. Lundy won. Kubiac named Lundy the starter. Is it etched in stone? No. But I see no reason why Kubiac would have a sudden change of heart, or Morency would have a sudden change of talent.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Let's compare Morency to two other backups who can't beat out the starters. Good move. Bell cannot make something out of nothing, so I'm not sure there is a comparision there, nor do I think Morency is as fast. If we're strictly going off college careers, what happened to Dayne? JJ Arrington? If Morency is so good, why is it the coaching staff has yet to give Morency ANY carries with the first team? He's not a rookie, Lundy is. So shouldn't Wali be behind Vernand is certain aspects? This is another ridiculous case of everyone but the coaches knowing more? Sorry Bloom, I like your posts but your opinion doesn't hold as much weight as the head coach of the Texans. If your argument was Lundy will squander his opportunity I might listen. But it's not. Instead you (and other Wali-haters) are claiming Morency has more talent, which is dumbfounding if true as he's YET to run with the first stringers. I don't know many coaches (if any) who keep the more talented guy on the bench just because. Heck, he hasn't looked overly impressive in the preseason.Lundy, like Mike Bell, has shown the ability to be very competent. He makes decisive cuts and runs hard. He has not shown is the speed to run away from defenders and make their angles look bad, and he has not shown open field moves to make the first tackler miss. He's just not that kind of runner. My belief is based on my scouting of Morency over the last few years and the fact that the coaches don't seem to be down on his running style any longer more than what Morency has shown in preseason this year. Morency was extremely impressive in his last year at Oklahoma St (2004) - as impressive as Tatum Bell in 2003 at OK St. and as impressive as Cedric Benson was down at UT in 04.The coaches are smart to put the more reliable player out there to start the season, but I predict Morency's ability to make something out of nothing and break long runs will get him more carries over the course of the season.What has Lundy shown (or not shown)? Morency hasn't looked that good, has he?
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I also read that Kubiak will be looking at the cut Rb's after Saturday very hard. Sounds to me like this situation my change yet again.
ydub
Footballguy
That's a compelling statement when you consider the fact that Morency is nearly 4 years older than Lundy and creeping up on 27 years old. Even more compelling when one considers Kubiak's decision to give Lundy ALL the 1st team work. How old does a dog have to be before his ability to learn a new trick has completely vanished.Lundy, like Mike Bell, has shown the ability to be very competent. He makes decisive cuts and runs hard. He has not shown is the speed to run away from defenders and make their angles look bad, and he has not shown open field moves to make the first tackler miss. He's just not that kind of runner. My belief is based on my scouting of Morency over the last few years and the fact that the coaches don't seem to be down on his running style any longer more than what Morency has shown in preseason this year. Morency was extremely impressive in his last year at Oklahoma St (2004) - as impressive as Tatum Bell in 2003 at OK St. and as impressive as Cedric Benson was down at UT in 04.The coaches are smart to put the more reliable player out there to start the season, but I predict Morency's ability to make something out of nothing and break long runs will get him more carries over the course of the season.What has Lundy shown (or not shown)? Morency hasn't looked that good, has he?
ydub
Footballguy
Nope. Lundy and Morency are locked in at RB1 and RB2. He's looking at the RB3 spot "very hard" and that battle will take place in the last preseason game.
Jayded
Footballguy
I'm surprised no one's mentioned where Kubiak came from yet. At this point think of it this way...
Wali Lundy = Mike Anderson
Vernand Morency = Tatum Bell
Lundy gets 15-20 touches a game
Morency gets 10-12 touches a game
Lundy has the upper hand at the moment and if he proves he should be on the field full time then he will be. Kubiak has no loyalty to any of Capers' players. Morency is the one with the hill to climb.
Those who own Morency only should keep an eye on Lundy's fumbling in the first few games. He was noted for doing so in college and if it picks up again then Morency will get his shot.
Wali Lundy = Mike Anderson
Vernand Morency = Tatum Bell
Lundy gets 15-20 touches a game
Morency gets 10-12 touches a game
Lundy has the upper hand at the moment and if he proves he should be on the field full time then he will be. Kubiak has no loyalty to any of Capers' players. Morency is the one with the hill to climb.
Those who own Morency only should keep an eye on Lundy's fumbling in the first few games. He was noted for doing so in college and if it picks up again then Morency will get his shot.
Hellfire Snail
Footballguy
I think this is as simplified as it can get. Virtually every team disperses carries to more than one back. It doesn't make it a useless RBBC. Lundy is going to carry the load unless he proves ineffective, and Morency is going to get up around ten carries a game too because Houston bases their whole offense on the RB position and there are a lot of touches to go around. I believe Lundy will get the goalline carries. I belive Lundy will get around three or four catches a game. I believe he will be a good fantasty starter barring fumbling issues or injury issues. As or right now it's just how it is, which is the same that can be said for every backfield in the NFL. Don't have much faith in the Houston RB attack? Then don't bother. Personally I think there's a LOT to be had here, and the price is still pretty cheap.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
well im convinced now.
That's a good point, and a lot of the reason why you can get Morency for peanuts in your draft. In Morency's defense, the old dog did learn a new trick. Early in the summer the coaches were very down on him because he wanted to run everything east-west, "find" the hole, instead of just hitting the hole where the play is designed to make it. Since then, Morency has proved that he can be a north-south runner. He also struggled in pass protection early in camp, and has improved there. He hasn't improved enough to be trusted as the guy who gets the bulk of the work, but he clearly won the #2 job, and will get a decent amount of touches each game to show what he's got - and convince the coaches to give him more work. Not bad for a guy that the coaches were extremely hard on a few months ago. If he continues to improve at the same rate in those two categories, his liabilities will be outweighed by his innate running ability. Hence, my prediction.
Franknbeans
Footballguy
I didn't make it up.Meanwhile, Kubiak and his staff will continue looking for players around the league to aid the reconstruction of his team.
“We will be looking at linebackers very hard, we’ll be looking at running backs very hard,” Kubiak said. “We’ll be looking inside at defensive players. We’re going to try to get better, and if we see someone out there we think can make us better. We have coaches that come from all over the place. There probably won’t be many guys out there that we don’t have some feel for. If we think a guy makes our football team better, then we’re going to continue to get better.”
the shark move right now is to take Lundy in the 6th or 7th round, and grab Morency in the 11th or 12th. At this point, I think I'd rather have that combo than White/Brown, and it'll come cheaper.
ydub
Footballguy
You're right. he has turned a precarious position in training camp into a roster spot. Kudos to Morency. However, the competion wasn't exactly stiff and he appeared to regress a bit in the Denver game. In terms of running the ball, his performance against 2nd and 3rd wave Denver defenders was marginal at best. He missed a huge block which completely exposed Rosenfels, and his ability to locate the predetermined hole was tested several times. He clearly failed a few of those tests. At this point, it would seem that Morency needs not one, but several poor performances from Lundy or an injury to slide in at RB1. He's got his work cut out for him.
pghrob
Footballguy
Me as well. I too will sit on him and see what happens after a few weeks.I also guessed wrong with my final pick of the draft and took Morency instead of Lundy, prior to the recent information indicating that Lundy will be the starter, at least initially. It was a pure upside/bye week filler selection for me, so I'll hang on to Vernand for at least a few games.
I'm a bad boy and didn't read the rest of the thread past this post, but I had to stop and comment.I keep seeing this, "Morency is the more talented back" followed by "he's faster" or "he's better in the open field."Imo, it's not the 5th to 25th yards of the run that makes a good back. It's that first 5 yards...into and out of the hole. The balance and strength to stay up through the hole; the vision to find it and "cut once" (be decisive) about hitting it; pressing one hole, sucking the defender to it, then quickly hitting another. I haven't actually watched either of these guys run...but if Lundy better in that first 5 yards, i'll take'em. I imagine the "one cut" zone blocking offensive coaches would too.
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GrandpaRox
Footballguy
It will be RBBC but in the end I fully expect to see Morency scoring more fantasy points than Lundy.
Unfortunately neither will help for more than a bye week or injury fill in because Carr is the quarterback and the run will be stuffed more often than not.
Teams will force Carr to beat them and he is just not capable of doing that.
Unfortunately neither will help for more than a bye week or injury fill in because Carr is the quarterback and the run will be stuffed more often than not.
Teams will force Carr to beat them and he is just not capable of doing that.
The Kansas Comet
Footballguy
Got him late as my RB5, so I'll keep him for now in case something happens to Lundy early, or unless I feel too left out as the only owner in the world who doesn't have piece of the Broncos' mess and pick up Cobbs.
LivinNsc
Footballguy
Unless the guy gets seriously injured or news of another back-up clearly taking a vacated spot as THE number 1... It would be irresponsible to drop the guy. No one will trade for him (not for any value) and the situation in Hou is far from a lock. To have a knee jerk reaction everytime there is doubt about a player would mean my roster would change 3-4 times over before week 1. The bottm line is drafting (o picking up) Morency was a gamble/guess. So the only prudent thing to do is to give it a little time to see if anything comes of it. What is the worst in that?
