Calvin Johnson #1 player on Raiders draft board (1 Viewer)

[trader jake]

During the NFL schedule show on ESPN Mort said that Calvin Johnson was the #1 player on Oakland's draft board. Sorry, no link. I also read this today...

insidebayarea.com

– Moss was one of three prominent Raiders who did not attend the voluntary camp, along with Warren Sapp and Derrick Burgess. Kickers Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler were also absent.

Kiffin estimated attendance at 95 percent.

– Kiffin said he has spoken to Moss since their 15-minute conversation after his hiring, but did not elaborate. He said Moss was expected to attend the mandatory minicamp following the draft.

And the speculation continues...

 

[wadegarrett]

Phil Savage loves to hearing that.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Walters 2 CJ

 

[OoOBaby]

Walters 2 CJ

Contrary to what ESPN tells you, there is more then the first round to the NFL draft.They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.With that defense, I'm not sure you need to burn 50-60 mil on a fat QB. You get rid of Moss for a 3rd, and use it to pick Smith. The offense just needs to be decent with that defense. And having an updated offense, vs the bacon and eggs offense they used to run, should be a huge improvement.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

McCown to CJ,Moss & porter

 

[LHUCKS]

The Raiders would be wise to pass on the QBs.

 

[massraider]

Raiders are fishing for a trade, trying to steal some of Detroits thunder. Of course CJ is #1 on their board. He's #1 on everyone's board.

If Mort got that info from the Raiders, they wanted him to have it. I think they are doing their due diligence, seeing if they can get a deal done with someone. I think their ideal is for someone else to take CJ at #1, and they can slide down a bit, save some money, and still get Russell. I doubt it happens though.

 

[gump]

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.

Walter was a 3rd round pick with "tremendous arm strength and size" who lit it up at ASU...are the other QB's mentioned coming out with much higher grades them him?

 

[KING]

probably hoping TB bites. i doubt russell will make it past the browns, but the raiders could get quinn at 4

 

[QUEZILLA]

Raiders are fishing for a trade, trying to steal some of Detroits thunder. Of course CJ is #1 on their board. He's #1 on everyone's board. If Mort got that info from the Raiders, they wanted him to have it. I think they are doing their due diligence, seeing if they can get a deal done with someone. I think their ideal is for someone else to take CJ at #1, and they can slide down a bit, save some money, and still get Russell. I doubt it happens though.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

This strikes me more as the "dont believe anything you read in April" kind of story than the "I busted my tail to get you this scoop" kind of story. Why would any team holding the #1 share that information? I agree with all the posters who said that Mort had that piece of info because it was pushed to him.

 

[Raider Nation]

Walters 2 CJ

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1.

Stanton might have a shot, but there is no way Smith would "easily beat out" Walter. And I think Walter flat-out SUCKS... so you can imagine my opinion on Smith. If the Raiders weren't going to take Russell, they would have been first in line to sign Carr, but they showed no interest in him.

Russell WILL be a Raider.

 

[skillz]

Raiders should just take CJ #1. Lions and Browns aren't going to take Russell. Then when Tampa's turn comes at No. 4 the Raiders can always offer CJ to the Bucs for a bunch of picks. If the Bucs don't ante up, the Raiders end up with the #1 player in the draft and then go for a QB in round 2, if necessary. I just don't know why the Raiders would take Russell #1 when they can probably get the Bucs to give them a couple of extra picks and end up with Russell anyway.

 

[Raider Nation]

Raiders should just take CJ #1. Lions and Browns aren't going to take Russell. I don't know why the Raiders would take Russell #1 when they can probably get the Bucs to give them a couple of extra picks and end up with Russell anyway.

Because their current QBs are so extraordinary???

 

[BlackHole]

Raiders should just take CJ #1. Lions and Browns aren't going to take Russell. I don't know why the Raiders would take Russell #1 when they can probably get the Bucs to give them a couple of extra picks and end up with Russell anyway.

Because their current QBs are so extraordinary???

No, because Russell and Quin are not so extraordinary.

 

[Raider Nation]

Raiders should just take CJ #1. Lions and Browns aren't going to take Russell. I don't know why the Raiders would take Russell #1 when they can probably get the Bucs to give them a couple of extra picks and end up with Russell anyway.

Because their current QBs are so extraordinary???

No, because Russell and Quin are not so extraordinary.

You're probably right about Quinn, but I've read article after article quoting scouts about how Russell is a once-in-a-generation talent. Al Davis himself compared him to John Elway. This was posted in my "Raiders offseason" thread:

Tom Martinez knows better. He knows that an arm does not make a quarterback. He knows that Tom Brady, his most famous protégé, won three Super Bowls because he respects the finer points of the job. And he knows that a quarterback should never, ever be asked to roll to one side of the field and then throw to the other. It's inefficient, mechanically unsound, such a scandalous misuse of momentum that a 10th-grade physics student would flag the play.

But Martinez couldn't help himself. JaMarcus Russell's arm is that seductive.

When it came time to create a list of plays for Russell to run in front of dozens of NFL scouts and executives last month, Martinez went with the taboo as their grand finale. Russell rolled right, and his receiver broke that way, too, before switching direction.

"JaMarcus threw it 70 yards and completed it," Martinez said. "It was unbelievable, unbelievable. You could hear this "Ahhhh" coming from all the NFL people."

He wore a mischievous grin when he described the play, still exhilarated that Russell could do something so wrong so right. In his 32 years as a coach at the College of San Mateo and endless summers tutoring quarterbacks at football camps, Martinez has worked with some of the biggest names in the business -- John Elway, future Heisman winner Gino Torretta, USC's Rob Johnson and Brady, who attended his first Martinez camp at age 13 and still calls on him for help with his mechanics. New Englanders view Martinez as something of a wizard.

But the coach has never seen anyone quite like the 21-year-old favorite to become the No. 1 pick in this month's NFL draft or done anything like the prep work that he performed for Russell.

"This thing was very good for me, it was uplifting," said Martinez, 62, who recently went into semi-retirement because three decades of nonstop coaching had worn away at his heart.

The pair worked together for two one-week training sessions and then met up again in Baton Rouge, La., for Russell's "pro day," the NFL draft's equivalent of walking the red carpet. Hired by Russell's agents, Martinez became, for want of a better term, the quarterback's throwing stylist.

At Athletes' Performance, a specialized training camp in Tempe, Ariz., Martinez joined a team grooming Russell to take his place atop the draft. The chief competition, Brady Quinn of Notre Dame, is more polished and experienced than Russell, with four years as a college starter as opposed to two, yet he showed up in Tempe for some buffing of his own.

"They never threw at the same time," Martinez said. "Brady Quinn would throw in the morning and JaMarcus would throw in the afternoon. There was a little bit of competition there."

Russell's size makes him both alluring and unnerving, creating doubts about his agility. He can probably absorb a hit very well, but will he lumber around in the pocket, unable to keep up with the speed of the NFL game? At 6-foot-6, he looks more like a tight end than a quarterback, and he reportedly carried as much as 265 pounds when he led LSU past Quinn's Irish in the Sugar Bowl. His fitness advisers in Arizona peeled close to 10 pounds off him, revealing a sleeker model. Martinez immediately went to work on Russell's feet.

On their first day together, Martinez measured the distance Russell covered in a three-step drop. "The first time he did it, it was 41/3 yards," Martinez said, "and in 45 minutes, we had him dropping back 7 yards in the same amount of time."

Among other things, he adjusted Russell's hand position after the snap, giving him more balance and leverage on the drop. The next day, he showed a videotape of the session to Russell, increasing the quarterback's confidence in what they had achieved.

By the time they were done with their training, Russell's footwork was strong enough that Martinez wanted to showcase it on "pro day."

In fact, he wanted to put all of Russell's presumed weaknesses on display. Agents create scripts for these events, and they are usually written to obscure areas of doubt. Martinez reasoned that the scouts and coaches would eventually, in private workouts, ask Russell to perform drills that emphasized perceived shortcomings. He wanted the script to answer the big questions, to assure the scouts that Russell had nothing to hide.

The Raiders, current owners of the top pick, recently invited Martinez for what was reported to be an interview to become the team's quarterbacks coach. Martinez read it more as "a chance to exchange information," and he filled them in on what he had learned about Russell.

Russell's soft-spoken personality? "He's very quiet, very respectful," Martinez said, "He doesn't say much, but he's always taking things in. You can see him sizing things up and figuring people out."

Russell's background? Martinez believes that any NFL executive who meets with Russell's relatives will gain confidence in the decision to draft him. "He has a very grounded family," Martinez said. "They're all squared away. They're not buying into the fanfare around this."

The other information he would like to impart would apply to any 21-year-old. Russell needs stability, continuity on the coaching staff. Martinez once heard Jim Plunkett describe a harrowing period in his career when the quarterbacks coach changed four times in four years. He doesn't want one of the most prodigious talents the game has ever seen to be squandered.

Martinez has seen all of Russell's flaws up close, and he still finds himself amazed. He says that Russell, fulfilling a typical scout's request, can stand flat-footed at the goal line and, without moving his body for the necessary torque, throw a ball 77 yards downfield.

He can also sit at the opponent's 40-yard line and throw a ball through the uprights of the goalpost. Cal's Kyle Boller once asserted that he could throw the same pass from the 50 while on his knees. But Russell does it on his backside, relying entirely on his arm. Martinez fondly calls this maneuver "the butt throw."

Martinez is a technical wizard, so he probably shouldn't be so impressed. But he can't help himself. Two weeks as JaMarcus Russell's coach turned him into a fan.

 

[footballfreek]

Walters 2 CJ

Contrary to what ESPN tells you, there is more then the first round to the NFL draft.They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.With that defense, I'm not sure you need to burn 50-60 mil on a fat QB. You get rid of Moss for a 3rd, and use it to pick Smith. The offense just needs to be decent with that defense. And having an updated offense, vs the bacon and eggs offense they used to run, should be a huge improvement.

 

[jdraiders]

Raiders should just take CJ #1. Lions and Browns aren't going to take Russell. I don't know why the Raiders would take Russell #1 when they can probably get the Bucs to give them a couple of extra picks and end up with Russell anyway.

Because their current QBs are so extraordinary???

No, because Russell and Quin are not so extraordinary.

And......because the Lions will not take a QB because the believe in kitna. Cleveland will take Quin over Russell. I like the idea of them taking CJ and either keeping him or using as bait. As a Raiders fan, I am nervous about still having Moss on our team. We will not be able to sign the #1 pick w/o dumping him. I would like to see us trade him to Det for Mcowen and draft CJ. Then pick up a better QB after the 2007 season.

 

[KoolKat]

The Raiders would be wise to pass on the QBs.

 

[Romulan]

Good you can have CJ we in Tampa will gladly take AP to share carries with Caddy for a year.

I dont think the Bucs will be stupid enough to trade up for CJ.

 

[WhoDat]

During the NFL schedule show on ESPN Mort said that Calvin Johnson was the #1 player on Oakland's draft board. Sorry, no link. I also read this today...

insidebayarea.com

– Moss was one of three prominent Raiders who did not attend the voluntary camp, along with Warren Sapp and Derrick Burgess. Kickers Sebastian Janikowski and Shane Lechler were also absent.

Kiffin estimated attendance at 95 percent.

– Kiffin said he has spoken to Moss since their 15-minute conversation after his hiring, but did not elaborate. He said Moss was expected to attend the mandatory minicamp following the draft.

And the speculation continues...

Clayton had the same story on either Saturday or Sunday. He said the Raiders are considering CJ at 1.01 and Edwards or Stanton at 2.01 (33).Equal parts reality and smoke screen this close to late April.

 

[mozzy84]

Walters 2 CJ

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1.

Stanton might have a shot, but there is no way Smith would "easily beat out" Walter. And I think Walter flat-out SUCKS... so you can imagine my opinion on Smith. If the Raiders weren't going to take Russell, they would have been first in line to sign Carr, but they showed no interest in him.

Russell WILL be a Raider.

Russels weight is a big concern imo, as far as the carr comment no teams were lining up for him, he just not a very good qb, I don't think that has anything to do with them picking or not picking russell.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Good you can have CJ we in Tampa will gladly take AP to share carries with Caddy for a year.I dont think the Bucs will be stupid enough to trade up for CJ.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As a Caddy owner, and speaking for Caddy owners everywhere I say, in the words of Al Pacino, "You shut your $%*$% toilet!".

 

[cstu]

Walters 2 CJ

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1.

Stanton might have a shot, but there is no way Smith would "easily beat out" Walter. And I think Walter flat-out SUCKS... so you can imagine my opinion on Smith. If the Raiders weren't going to take Russell, they would have been first in line to sign Carr, but they showed no interest in him.

Russell WILL be a Raider.

They'd be better off taking the sure-thing and getting Stanton in the 2nd. I'm not 100% sold on Russell and think he's a huge risk with all the money a QB going #1 will get. If you gotta pay that kind of money to the top pick, make someone very unlikely to bust.

 

[WhoDat]

Walters 2 CJ

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1.

Stanton might have a shot, but there is no way Smith would "easily beat out" Walter. And I think Walter flat-out SUCKS... so you can imagine my opinion on Smith. If the Raiders weren't going to take Russell, they would have been first in line to sign Carr, but they showed no interest in him.

Russell WILL be a Raider.

They'd be better off taking the sure-thing and getting Stanton in the 2nd. I'm not 100% sold on Russell and think he's a huge risk with all the money a QB going #1 will get. If you gotta pay that kind of money to the top pick, make someone very unlikely to bust.

I agree 100%.

 

[CalBear]

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.

Walter was a 3rd round pick with "tremendous arm strength and size" who lit it up at ASU...are the other QB's mentioned coming out with much higher grades them him?

Walter sucked at ASU; he racked up some stats against bad teams and played horribly against good teams. Think Jeff George without the talent.

 

[trader jake]

They'd be better off taking the sure-thing and getting Stanton in the 2nd. I'm not 100% sold on Russell and think he's a huge risk with all the money a QB going #1 will get. If you gotta pay that kind of money to the top pick, make someone very unlikely to bust.

I agree 100%.

I would also agree that this would be the Raiders best strategy.Also, how often has Al Davis traded down during his time?

 

[CravenM]

So instead of Kerry Collins, Tui or Andrew Walters getting sacked 2 seconds after the snap, it'll be JRuss - big whoop.

The Raiders need to draft OLine 1st, 2nd and 3rd round

 

[gump]

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.

Walter was a 3rd round pick with "tremendous arm strength and size" who lit it up at ASU...are the other QB's mentioned coming out with much higher grades them him?

Walter sucked at ASU; he racked up some stats against bad teams and played horribly against good teams. Think Jeff George without the talent.

And what did Stanton do against Michigan and OSU? And what did Smith do against UF?I'm just wondering...why is it a sure thing that the Raiders see Stanton or Smith as better than Walter? How do these guys grade out against Walter coming out of college?

 

[massraider]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?

Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

 

[gump]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

:( Russell > Stanton/SmithCJ > 2nd round WRConsidering QB is a bigger need, which has the wider gap?

 

[matuski]

Walters 2 CJ

Contrary to what ESPN tells you, there is more then the first round to the NFL draft.They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.With that defense, I'm not sure you need to burn 50-60 mil on a fat QB. You get rid of Moss for a 3rd, and use it to pick Smith. The offense just needs to be decent with that defense. And having an updated offense, vs the bacon and eggs offense they used to run, should be a huge improvement.

If QBs drop to second or 3rd rounds, I believe that would mean they are not "VERY good" and not ready to "start week 1."Just a hunch.

 

[CalBear]

They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.

Walter was a 3rd round pick with "tremendous arm strength and size" who lit it up at ASU...are the other QB's mentioned coming out with much higher grades them him?

Walter sucked at ASU; he racked up some stats against bad teams and played horribly against good teams. Think Jeff George without the talent.

And what did Stanton do against Michigan and OSU? And what did Smith do against UF?I'm just wondering...why is it a sure thing that the Raiders see Stanton or Smith as better than Walter? How do these guys grade out against Walter coming out of college?

I don't know if they see them as better than Walter, but it was obvious to me that Walter was going to flop, and now he has.

 

[Football Jones]

Any team passing on Calvin Johnson will eventually regret that decision, IMO. Same for dyansty teams.

 

[ericttspikes]

Moss is useless in OAK. I can still see him being shipped for a pick come draft day. He wants out and actually has some "name" value. A rookie QB will get set wrecked being thrown to the wolves with that team. The Raiders should just bring a vet in. Plummer would of been a decent stop gap, and he may be available from TB. I'm sure Jake would love playing the donkey's 2x's. This team needs so much more than a highly paid rookie QB right now. Gallery busting killed these guys.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Good you can have CJ we in Tampa will gladly take AP to share carries with Caddy for a year.I dont think the Bucs will be stupid enough to trade up for CJ.

I don't want another RB. Caddy was drafted to be an every down back, and Pittman/ Alstott still have game.

 

[Romulan]

Good you can have CJ we in Tampa will gladly take AP to share carries with Caddy for a year.I dont think the Bucs will be stupid enough to trade up for CJ.

I don't want another RB. Caddy was drafted to be an every down back, and Pittman/ Alstott still have game.

I agree, and I have Caddy in two of my 4 leagues but I also dont think we can pass him up if he is the best player available when we draft. If CJ is gone and the Joe Thomas is gone then I think we should either trade down or get the best player on the board.

 

[cstu]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

Russell > Stanton/SmithCJ > 2nd round WRConsidering QB is a bigger need, which has the wider gap?

I see CJ as the best WR prospect this decade so while there will be a very good WR in the 2nd I think the difference is still great. Russell has a chance to be a very good QB, but he's also a big bust risk IMO. I don't think his risk is worth #1 overall money. I like Stanton's ability, but he has had serious trouble staying healthy.

 

[gump]

Good you can have CJ we in Tampa will gladly take AP to share carries with Caddy for a year.I dont think the Bucs will be stupid enough to trade up for CJ.

I don't want another RB. Caddy was drafted to be an every down back, and Pittman/ Alstott still have game.

I agree, and I have Caddy in two of my 4 leagues but I also dont think we can pass him up if he is the best player available when we draft. If CJ is gone and the Joe Thomas is gone then I think we should either trade down or get the best player on the board.

Name all of the RB tandems in the NFL comprised of two top-5 picks.Actually, don't bother. There are none. I don't see a team investing that much at the RB position, IMO. Maybe if he were a Reggie Bush-type of back that was completely different...but I don't see that difference in AP.

 

[massraider]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

Russell > Stanton/SmithCJ > 2nd round WRConsidering QB is a bigger need, which has the wider gap?

I see CJ as the best WR prospect this decade so while there will be a very good WR in the 2nd I think the difference is still great. Russell has a chance to be a very good QB, but he's also a big bust risk IMO. I don't think his risk is worth #1 overall money. I like Stanton's ability, but he has had serious trouble staying healthy.

I wonder why people think he's a bust risk. No character concerns, has all the tools, played in the SEC, numbers have improved dramatically. What's the red flag? I mean, any QB, or player, is a risk to bust, I wonder why he is a BIG bust risk?

 

[BlackHole]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

Russell > Stanton/SmithCJ > 2nd round WRConsidering QB is a bigger need, which has the wider gap?

I see CJ as the best WR prospect this decade so while there will be a very good WR in the 2nd I think the difference is still great. Russell has a chance to be a very good QB, but he's also a big bust risk IMO. I don't think his risk is worth #1 overall money. I like Stanton's ability, but he has had serious trouble staying healthy.

I wonder why people think he's a bust risk. No character concerns, has all the tools, played in the SEC, numbers have improved dramatically. What's the red flag? I mean, any QB, or player, is a risk to bust, I wonder why he is a BIG bust risk?

Because that's what we've been told! That and the few games I've seen him in college I saw more poor decisions/indecision then I did of good decisions. I did also see some fantastic plays from him in those games, but yo-yo play like that in college translates to a bust risk in my book. I am no expert though, so if the second sentence doesn't work for you, I revert you back to the first sentence.

 

[gump]

We can't get a VERY good WR prospect in the 2nd?Isn't WR kind of a deep position in this draft?

Russell > Stanton/SmithCJ > 2nd round WRConsidering QB is a bigger need, which has the wider gap?

I see CJ as the best WR prospect this decade so while there will be a very good WR in the 2nd I think the difference is still great. Russell has a chance to be a very good QB, but he's also a big bust risk IMO. I don't think his risk is worth #1 overall money. I like Stanton's ability, but he has had serious trouble staying healthy.

I wonder why people think he's a bust risk. No character concerns, has all the tools, played in the SEC, numbers have improved dramatically. What's the red flag? I mean, any QB, or player, is a risk to bust, I wonder why he is a BIG bust risk?

Because that's what we've been told! That and the few games I've seen him in college I saw more poor decisions/indecision then I did of good decisions. I did also see some fantastic plays from him in those games, but yo-yo play like that in college translates to a bust risk in my book. I am no expert though, so if the second sentence doesn't work for you, I revert you back to the first sentence.

I agree with mass...I don't get the "big bust risk" label either.Didn't CJ have a game with 0 catches? Talk about yo-yo.And doesn't the WR position have a lower % of success in the first round than QB?

 

[T Man]

Walters 2 CJ

Contrary to what ESPN tells you, there is more then the first round to the NFL draft.They can get a VERY good QB prospect in the early 2nd/3rd. Drew Stanton and Troy Smith would easily beat out Walter, and probably start week 1. Then you have Trent Edwards and Kevin Kolb who have some upside.

With that defense, I'm not sure you need to burn 50-60 mil on a fat QB. You get rid of Moss for a 3rd, and use it to pick Smith. The offense just needs to be decent with that defense. And having an updated offense, vs the bacon and eggs offense they used to run, should be a huge improvement.

If QBs drop to second or 3rd rounds, I believe that would mean they are not "VERY good" and not ready to "start week 1."

Just a hunch.

Guess somebody forgot to tell TOm Brady (6th round) and Joe Montanna (3rd round) about this "fact of life"

 

[CalBear]

If QBs drop to second or 3rd rounds, I believe that would mean they are not "VERY good" and not ready to "start week 1."

Just a hunch.

Guess somebody forgot to tell TOm Brady (6th round) and Joe Montanna (3rd round) about this "fact of life"

Neither Brady nor Montana started week 1.

 

[RussMan]

Id like to see the Raiders take him #1 overall.. and then see where Quinn and Russell go.

 

[Riffraff]

Also of note, Andrew Walter dropped to the 3rd round because he injured his shoulder in the final regular season game of his college career.

If healthy, he could have been drafted higher than Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers.

Yes, I know Smith was drafted #1 over-all as a project QB.

Raiders got a first round talent in the third round due to injury.

Along the same lines of Michael Bush this year. Late first round talent that could fall to the 3rd round due to injury.

 

[CalBear]

Also of note, Andrew Walter dropped to the 3rd round because he injured his shoulder in the final regular season game of his college career.If healthy, he could have been drafted higher than Alex Smith or Aaron Rodgers. Yes, I know Smith was drafted #1 over-all as a project QB.Raiders got a first round talent in the third round due to injury. Along the same lines of Michael Bush this year. Late first round talent that could fall to the 3rd round due to injury.

Andrew Walter was not, never was, and never will be a first-round talent. He completed less than 55% of his passes in college, including just 57.2% in his senior year. In that same senior year, his team scored a total of 7 points against USC and Cal combined; Walter in those games? 19/34, 181 yards, 0 TD 2 INT, and 25/41, 238 yards, 0 TD 1 INT. And frankly those stats are inflated by huge amounts of garbage time; Cal was up 20-0 in the third quarter and USC was up 42-7 at the half. He also got blown out by both teams the year before and threw 3 INTs in those two games and completed less than 50% of his passes. No one would have considered Walter over Rodgers or Smith, injury or no injury.

 

[LawFitz]

I agree with mass...I don't get the "big bust risk" label either.Didn't CJ have a game with 0 catches? Talk about yo-yo.And doesn't the WR position have a lower % of success in the first round than QB?

three words: Reggie Freakin Ball

 

[LawFitz]

Because that's what we've been told! That and the few games I've seen him in college I saw more poor decisions/indecision then I did of good decisions. I did also see some fantastic plays from him in those games, but yo-yo play like that in college translates to a bust risk in my book. I am no expert though, so if the second sentence doesn't work for you, I revert you back to the first sentence.

Watch the tape. This guy repeatedly makes bad reads and relies on his arm to make the play. That won't get it done in the NFL, where defenders are bigger/faster/smarter. Even in his highlight reels (his supposed best plays!) the guy is shown repeatedly chucking it deep into double coverage, where one of his three stud WRs makes a spectacular play on the ball. In the NFL those are picks. How about the much heralded performance against ND?... Oh yeah, I saw him throw into double coverage over and over and not get picked b/c the ND secondary blew. Yet for some reason, his supporters don't see any risk.Fact: Calvin = low risk/high reward, Jamarcus = high risk/high rewardThis isn't rocket science , but the JR fans can't seem to comprehend or accept this reality. I'm sick and tired of hearing about this guy. Until the ND game, he was a consensus 2nd rounder and now he's suddenly the top pick OVERALL??? Has everyone gone insane???

 

[3C's]

Trade Randy Moss (and possibly a pick) for Aaron Rodgers. Pick CJ with the #1 pick.