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He's currently ranked #10 in my league's PPR scoring and looks good every week IMO. Can't be that bad.Pts Per Week:8.5 (The nullified TD week)17122716If you "count" the 30-yd TD nullified in week 1, he's #6 amongst WRs. Can't be that bad. I have a feeling he has some big things ahead this season. I'm not an owner, but I'd be more than happy to trade for him from the little I've seen.
Why would you count that?
I'm not. Just figuring he's not that far away from top 5 numbers.Why would you count that?
I don't think he has lived up to expectations. Of course many people had extremely high expectations. Talent wise people put him up there with Moss, Fitz, A Johnson.....but FF stats wise for his first 3 years he has been way below that.C. Johnson first 3 years: 40 game started 193rec 3071yds 21tdsRoy Williams first 3 years: 40 game started 181rec 2814yds 23tdsPersonally I expected him to put up better numbers then Roy. Although he has looked very good this year and I would love to have him. Currently his is the 10th ranked WR in my league.
He doesn't know how to fall. Go back and look at his rookie year. He made a fantastic grab and landed flat on his back--missed time with a back injury. 3 years later he is still having the same "landing" problems. This is likely to be a career-long issue...
If you could the 6 catches for 600 yards and 6 TDs he may have gotten along the way, he's be higher ranked tooI'm not. Just figuring he's not that far away from top 5 numbers.Why would you count that?
Should all players count their nullified TDs due to ref screwup?This is exactly the type of crap excuse that we keep hearing.And it's completely absurd.
But but but he is a physical specimen unlike any other. I keep hearing how is a beast so obviously his performance will be better than many other WRs that have better QBs and actually stay healthy.
Of all the things to discuss about Johnson, you two are really that concerned with me including this in my post?If it bothers you that much, just pretend I didn't write it. :(If you could the 6 catches for 600 yards and 6 TDs he may have gotten along the way, he's be higher ranked too
Oh good grief.. The guy was just saying that he was #10 and without that "ref screwup" he'd be 6... If people want to discount CJ and say he's not that good because he'd not producing, fine. If you want to go with production over potential - cool. You take Brandon Lloyd, I'll take Calvin.
You could delete that part and it would be better.Of all the things to discuss about Johnson, you two are really that concerned with me including this in my post?If it bothers you that much, just pretend I didn't write it. :(If you could the 6 catches for 600 yards and 6 TDs he may have gotten along the way, he's be higher ranked too
Thank you.
I'll tell you what's wrong with 9th.Preseason expectations as high as #2 WR.I'm an owner of Calvin. He hasn't lived up to this expectation. I can deal with it with AJ as my #1 and Nicks as my #2.But that doesn't mean I have to be happy with it.KY
Andre Johnson's preseason expectations were uniformly the #1 WR.Andre Johnson is ranked #22 in Yahoo! scoring to date.By your logic, shouldn't you be shopping AJ for Santana Moss?If Calvin Johnson hasn't lived up to expectations when he is performing as a #9 YTD, how can you possible describe AJ as your #1 while maintaining a shred of intellectual honesty? ... if only AJ wasn't hobbled with an injury he would have 5 TDs right now!! ...
Agreed. There's a lot of irrationality going on in this thread. Calvin is also currently ahead of...Andre JohnsonRandy MossBrandon MarshallLarry FitzgeraldGreg JenningsAmong others.Injuries happen. Trades happen. QB's sucking happens.The guy is good and performing better than most WR1's who were drafted as such.
Gee...let's have fun with numbers. Weeeeeeeeee.I'm not sure what scoring system you are talking about, but in my CBS league AJ has ended the last TWO years as the #1 WR on the board.Let me repeat that...#1 LAST TWO YEARS.He's lived up to his expectation..two years running...and despite where he is now I have a high expectation he will be either #1 or close. Based on past performance.Megatron has shown potential to be that same caliber WR. He also ranked outside the top 20 last year in my scoring system. For those reasons, AJ #1.This really isn't worth discussing come to think of it.KY
His YTD performance in my PPR scoring system has him at #10 WR.Not bad. Not bad at all.Unfortunately, many drafted him as a #2 or #3 WR.Me personally...if he stays at #10 I'm ok with it. Don't love it, but ok with it due to other starting WRs.I guess we'll see.KY
there was a time when shortsighted fantasy whiners like yourself made very similar complaints about andre johnson. it wasnt even that long ago, it was prior to the 2008 season.oh hell, lets just compare wr rankings by career.aj03: 2304: 2205: 4606: 1807: 22then he got a real qb and stayed healthy and 08: 209: 1calvin07: 3508: 309: 21
Average is what I am coming to expect from your posts. What does your gut tell you he will miss?
So this data basically tells me we need to wait until 2013 for Calvin to meet the expectation of #1 or #2.That's probably about right.KY
Andre Johnson's first three years:
G GS Rec Yds TD16 16 66 976 416 16 79 1142 613 13 63 688 2______________________________________45 45 208 2806 12Oh, sorry, my leagues don't give points for how well a WR performed two years ago. If they did, though, I'd certainly be happy with Calvin's #3 WR performance in 2008!!!But seriously, my point is that you and others have spent a great deal of energy criticizing Calvin's performance this year, when he is performing as the #9 WR(!). That is a WR1. Your rationale about "past performance" doesn't make sense when you are complaining about Calvin's performance this year.jesus
I don't know.
not sure i see your point.....At that point in his career i am sure AJ was disappointing people as well, he got better, doesn't mean CJ will. I was talking about what CJ has done compared to people have expected him to have done. Completely past tense.......Like i said CJ has looked good, ranked high and should continue as long as he is healthy.
Or maybe just post info about his injury....since that is the purpose of this thread.
lol sorry man i just got so heated up over all the calvin haters that dont know what they are talking about.my bad
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2 snarky comments from Bears fans lead me to believe that the Lions are close. I s'pose you're hoping the Lions dump CJ like your current O and D coordinators.But but but he is a physical specimen unlike any other. I keep hearing how is a beast so obviously his performance will be better than many other WRs that have better QBs and actually stay healthy.
Which is exactly why you draft him top 5 WR...(!!) What was that? #10 WR on a 1-4 team playing w/ a 2nd string QB for 4.5 of 5 games w/ the #2 WR injured for 3 of those games and playing away to division rivals 3/4 games (2 of which are pre-season super bowl winner favorites). You're out of your friggin mind. Next you'll be telling us how picking Rogers at QB is/was idiotic because Finley would go down and Grant, not to mention 1/4 of their defense.
I was thinking the same thing about your original post (what's the point?), but was struck by this:
You made the claim and I was simply bringing the facts into play. Unless you were comparing CJ's first three years to AJ's last three years, this statement is just not true. Calvin probably disappointed some to an extent last year, but he was working with a rookie QB; growing pains were to be expected for Stafford. Prior to that he had a hodgepodge of retreads and journeymen throwing him the rock. If anyone was disappointed with those stats from his second year they'd have had some unrealistic expectations given his situation; by any rational analysis he was a stud that year.This year he is putting up top 10 numbers with Shaun Hill throwing him the ball - and some are even asking whether or not Hill should remain the starter (which has to make you wonder how much football they watch) - after missing most of the 4th quarter of the last game. Calvin has made Hill look good on a lot of passes so far this season, including that 29 yarder. If people have been disappointed with his play thus far, I'm not quite sure why.
My point is CJ is the #10. Even if you had him as your #2 WR that doesn't make him a disappointment. It's silly to be #####ing at this point.If you draft him as the #2 WR, there is no upside there and some downside is to be expected. I'd be happy with CJ's production at this point, even if I had drafted him #1 overall!As for Rodgers, I wouldn't draft him (or any QB for that matter) where his ADP was, but that is a matter of preference. I prefer to wait on my QB. For example, I took Rivers in the 7th round in my FFPC Main Event draft. To me, that is better value and makes sense. But again, you can build a winning team taking a top 3 QB early, you just have to be a little more precise later in the draft. JMO
