Calvin Johnson & Matt Schaub (1 Viewer)

[TheGreatest]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.

This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.

Why can't this work?

 

[cstu]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.Why can't this work?

I like this better than tagging Russell or Quinn with that 1st pick.

 

[thatguy]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

 

[moleculo]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.

This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.

Why can't this work?

Oddly, the bolded sections above are one and the same.

 

[billymays]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

why is there so much love for schaub? serious question-im not trying to sound like an ### but i dont get it.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder...why can't this work?

Assuming teams want Moss is the question. Between the player(s) necessary to acquire him and then paying his bloated salary, there's no certainty that Oakland will get any team to pay what they want for him and he'll continue his same act next season.

 

[Jim Otto]

Sounds good on paper - but I feel that the Raiders still need to address the offensive line before anything else can happen. Along with Moss probably only worth a 3rd rounder at the most right now, this seems farfetched.

If we did sign Calvin first overall, without any protection from the O-Line, what would be the point? The QB (whoever it is) can't get him the ball from his back.

 

[TheGreatest]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder...why can't this work?

Assuming teams want Moss is the question. Between the player(s) necessary to acquire him and then paying his bloated salary, there's no certainty that Oakland will get any team to pay what they want for him and he'll continue his same act next season.

I think someone would be willing to take him on and then restructure his contract (if he agrees). I know thats a big if, but someone would take the risk I believe.

 

[TheGreatest]

Sounds good on paper - but I feel that the Raiders still need to address the offensive line before anything else can happen. Along with Moss probably only worth a 3rd rounder at the most right now, this seems farfetched.If we did sign Calvin first overall, without any protection from the O-Line, what would be the point? The QB (whoever it is) can't get him the ball from his back.

I agree, but they are not going to address the OL with the 1.1 pick. They could address it with the 2.1 pick though. They should look for a 2nd round pick or else a OL in a deal for Moss.If they were really that concerened about OL, they would have gone after some of the available UFA's I think. But I do agree, the OL needs help.

 

[TheGreatest]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.

This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.

Why can't this work?

Oddly, the bolded sections above are one and the same.

I think CJ is bigger & stronger and has a better head on his shoulders than Moss. Both are fast with good hands. If Moss and CJ were coming out in the same draft, I would go CJ though. Total package.

 

[TheGreatest]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

I think it would be good enough if it was offered. How can they pass up on the 2.1 pick in the draft for a back up QB? If they do pass it up, they will only keep Schaub for 1 year, and then might not get anything for him. Atl is commited to M. Vick. M. Schaub will not be the starter there as long as Vick is healthy. They have too much money invested in him. If they have a chance to get the first pick in the 2nd round for him now, I do not think they would pass it up. IMO of course.

 

[Raider Nation]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

 

[Raider Nation]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

why is there so much love for schaub? serious question-im not trying to sound like an ### but i dont get it.

Whoops...

 

[TheGreatest]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

why is there so much love for schaub? serious question-im not trying to sound like an ### but i dont get it.

Whoops...

I am not saying M. Schaub is a god....but what exactly has J. Russell or B. Quinn proven? I think he is a safer option than either one of those guys and might come cheaper.

 

[massraider]

Yeah, I think it's possible to do that.

I think it's also possible that the Raiders like Russell or Quinn, and see one of them as a franchise QB.

Just like I think it's possible that not every team in the league thinks Matt Shaub is a star-in-waiting.

And I think it's possible that taking a WR #1 overall is a bad idea.

 

[TheFanatic]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

I think it would be good enough if it was offered. How can they pass up on the 2.1 pick in the draft for a back up QB? If they do pass it up, they will only keep Schaub for 1 year, and then might not get anything for him. Atl is commited to M. Vick. M. Schaub will not be the starter there as long as Vick is healthy. They have too much money invested in him. If they have a chance to get the first pick in the 2nd round for him now, I do not think they would pass it up. IMO of course.

I agree. If it were the 2.30 there might be a discussion but the 1st pick in the 2nd round for a guy that will be gone next year is a great move....

 

[Phurfur]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.Why can't this work?

I would not give up 2.1 for Schaub and anyone who gives a 2nd round for Moss is nuts. As long as Moss has that big contract he is not going anywhere.

 

[Riffraff]

Rather see Oakland go Calvin Johnson at 1.01 (which I think they will) and an OL at 2.01 (Ugoh?).

Raiders could use another vet castoff at QB to pair with Walter.

 

[Loopdog]

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Calvin Johnson and I think he's gonna be great. But I think you are forgetting how truly unstoppable Randy Moss was when he came into the league. I mean, just uncoverable. I will wet the bed this year if Calvin Johnson makes the same kind of impact. No chance in my opinion, and I am extremely high on CJ. Moss has gone downhill the past few years and I think that is why you are saying this, because in 1998 and the next 6 years or so, the man was simply unreal.

I think CJ is bigger & stronger and has a better head on his shoulders than Moss. Both are fast with good hands. If Moss and CJ were coming out in the same draft, I would go CJ though. Total package.

 

[bcr8f]

Offensive linemen. Helloooooo

 

[MU Seminole]

I like Schaub a lot but he's a better fit for the WCO than for Al Davis' theoretical vertical air game.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Sure, if the 2.1 is good enough to get Schaub.

Pretty sure it's not.

why is there so much love for schaub? serious question-im not trying to sound like an ### but i dont get it.

It's a two-prongereople either love or hate Vick. The people who hate Vick will pimp Schaub to no end......despite Schaub having a lower career rating and completion percentage than the "RB who plays QB".

 

[vette0079]

The Raiders should trade Moss for Schaub. Each team would fill a need and get value out of a player who doesn't fit into their future plan.

 

[el centro]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.Why can't this work?

I was just thinking of something a little bit different here... Why wouldn't the Falcons trade 1.08 with Schaub to OAK for the 1.01 (plus whatever). Oakland gets their QB of the future and a top-10 pick. Atlanta can draft uber-stud & hometown hero - Calvin Johnson.

 

[Iceman56751]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

The same as Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Favre did before they ever proved themselves.If you believe the player has skills, as many people do - you have to pull the trigger on a deal.

 

[mrhankey]

Jamarcus + Moss + any LT that can block =

 

[Raider Nation]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

The same as Hasselbeck, Delhomme and Favre did before they ever proved themselves.If you believe the player has skills, as many people do - you have to pull the trigger on a deal.

Delhomme was acquired via free agency.Hasselbeck was acquired for basically a 3rd rounder (they also swapped firsts).Farve was the only one in your example who commanded a pick relative to the one being discussed for Schaub. And I don't think he's worth it.But I get your point.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

Somebody remind me aswell...

 

[redman]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

Somebody remind me aswell...

Well . . . it's not what he has proven, it's just that he's benefitted from being an understudy to Mike Vick for three years.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

Somebody remind me aswell...

Well . . . it's not what he has proven, it's just that he's benefitted from being an understudy to Mike Vick for three years.

LOLWell, with Greg Knapp being Oakland's new "offensive coordinator" I guess there is a connection now, but I don't want to give up such a high draft pick to get him. Randy staright up for Schaub would be killer though.

 

[Balco]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

Somebody remind me aswell...

Schaub has had some pretty good games relieving Vick, and is held in high regard by the Falcons, and rightfully so. There are always backups on teams that show in the preseason that they can play, or do well in relief roles. (i.e. Brunell, Hasselback, Beurlein). I think if the Falcons would take the 2.1 for Schaub, the Raiders should do it. I would trade the # 1 however to get some more picks, as they have some holes on that roster, obviously.

 

[plymkr]

Remind me again exactly what Schaub has proven...

Somebody remind me aswell...

Well . . . it's not what he has proven, it's just that he's benefitted from being an understudy to Mike Vick for three years.

LOLWell, with Greg Knapp being Oakland's new "offensive coordinator" I guess there is a connection now, but I don't want to give up such a high draft pick to get him. Randy staright up for Schaub would be killer though.

You would rather give up Moss for Schaub than the 2.1?Edit...I guess that makes sense if all you can get for Moss is a 3! Need more coffee!

 

[Getinthemix]

Why don't the Raiders trade Randy Moss to the highest bidder, draft Calvin Johnson #1 overall, and then trade their 2.1 pick to Atlanta for Matt Schaub? Is there any reason that this could not happen? I think Atlanta would be hard pressed to not take the 2.1 pick in the draft for Matt Schaub...thats good value. Calvin Johnson is clearly the best player in the draft and I think they could probably get at least a 2nd round pick back for Randy Moss in a deal.This would give them a franchise QB who will not have to be devoloped as much as a rookie. Would give them the best WR prospect to come out since god knows when and they would be ridding themselves of the virus that is Moss.Why can't this work?

I was just thinking of something a little bit different here... Why wouldn't the Falcons trade 1.08 with Schaub to OAK for the 1.01 (plus whatever). Oakland gets their QB of the future and a top-10 pick. Atlanta can draft uber-stud & hometown hero - Calvin Johnson.

The biggest reason that would not work is that the Falcons pick 10, Houston picks 8. And in that scenario, Schaub is worth considerably more than the 2.1 being talked about.

 

[Kub]

I am not necessarily sold on Matt Schaub, but I would prefer something along those lines rather than draft Russell #1. Regardless of who the Raiders take at 1.01, they are going to have to give them huge money. As long as they are going to keep the pick, I want the guy with the least amount of bust potential. For me, that is Calvin.

If Al is going to keep the pick, I take CJ in the first and bring in a vet QB. 2.01 would ideally be an o-lineman, but they should take the best available player.

 

[Wu-banger]

.....so Shaub laying on his back as Calvin Johnson runs wide open down the field is better than

Aaron Brooks/Andrew Walter laying on his back back as Randy Moss runs wide open down the field ????

If the O-Line can't block , it does not matter who the offensive playmakers are..

 

[Toomuchnv]

.....so Shaub laying on his back as Calvin Johnson runs wide open down the field is better than Aaron Brooks/Andrew Walter laying on his back back as Randy Moss runs wide open down the field ????If the O-Line can't block , it does not matter who the offensive playmakers are..

Yeah, because good O-Lineman can never be found in rounds 2 through 7