Calvin Johnson to retire - CONFIRMED (1 Viewer)

[Tango]

The guy who should be considering retirement is Roddy freakin White, not this cat.

Source? buy hardy.

; )

 

[Tango]

Statement here: https://twitter.com/sportstori/status/684818127352401921?lang=en

"Like many players at this stage of their career, I am currently evaluating options for my future. I would expect to have a decision regarding this matter in the not-too-distant future."

What is the point of releasing a statement saying you're about to make a statement? Is this a negotiating tactic?

When the story broke today I forwarded it to my brother, and that was his immediate response. It would make sense. If they were inclined to give him a pay cut or trade him, this reduces their leverage. And if they were planning on cutting him (unlikely), this stays their hand, because they're not going to cut the greatest WR in franchise history if he's about to retire anyway.

Must have missed something-- who is your brother?

 

[PatsWillWin]

Eminence, just got away.

My guess is he told some people he's going to retire, but the best way for that to happen is for him to wait out the Lions so they have to cut him, so he doesn't have to give the bonus money back. So while he's not going to literally file his papers right now, he's going to get the wheels in motion for him to stop playing, which is effectively, of course, the same thing.

Thanks OP.

 

[higgins]

:(

 

[G-King]

Thanks guys. I fully expected to get attacked for starting it but figured I'd share what I heard with the community anyways. Even I started to get a little worried though once it didn't happen right away though haha

It still hasn't happened, lol.

Really doubling down in the stupid aren't you?

Really willing to bet that Calvin Johnson doesn't retire. Anyone want to bet on this? All other things aside it didn't start as "speculation". Original poster said, "Calvin Johnson is going to announce his retirement tomorrow!". His narrative slowly changed to the point where a quote stating the "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" does not support his original claim that "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow".

If there is validity and there were rumblings in Detroit, then fine, this was insider information which could have given you an edge over the public.

Not the point...the guy said it was possible and Mega was thinking about it...turns out he was right...and you are still running your mouth.

He actually said it was speculation and rumor that an announcement was coming.

Seems there is a bit more to it than how you have gone and on about it.

And he never just said "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow".

There was almost zero rumblings before this thread...now they are everywhere.

Its ok to just give the guy credit rather than continuing to look like...well, your normal self.

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

Actually...he said to retire? With a question mark and said there was an announcement coming.

And that he had a source.

Seriously, do you sit down every day trying to figure out a way you can come off worse on these boards? Its the only thing I can think of...no way you are really this bad in real life or you would end up punched in the mouth every single day of your existence.

The OP looks great...you continue to look petty and foolish.

You should quit now...but we know you won't.

I'm just going to leave this alone now. Never intended for it to turn into a big debate. The guy was told it was happening Monday, so I told you guys that he was "apparently announcing his retirement on Monday". That's it, that's all. Now I guess we wait and see if he changed his mind or if he was saying it strategically, or if he just needed to re-think about it for a few more days/weeks.

Just leave it alone. You did good, this eminem clown is being a doosh.

 

[RenegadeGM]

Rumour: Eminence to pull head out of ### tomorrow.

If it doesn't happen tomorrow (and he instead only releases a statement sating he's considering pulling his head out of his ###), this information is totally worthless.

 

[modogg]

from rotoworld:

Calvin Johnson - WR - Lions
A source told ESPN's Ed Werder that Calvin Johnson told his mother "he wasn't sure wanted to play any more," and cleaned out his locker unlike other Lions veterans.
A source told Werder that "Calvin is the kind of guy who says, 'If I don't feel I'm into this 100 percent, then I need to decide if want to be in at all.'" These are indications Megatron is seriously contemplating retirement, though the season just ended. It's entirely possible Johnson gets the "itch" again in a matter of months, if not weeks or days. Our bet is still that Megatron will keep playing, but it'll be a big story for at least the rest of January.

yay Daemon!!

 

[dschuler]

Everyone that criticized this thread should be permantly banned.

 

[Ladsud]

6'5 and probably 240+ on most days, with alot of speed. Lots of wear and tear on those legs. Sucks

 

[davearm]

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

"Tomorrow" isn't the critical piece of information in the sentence, "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow."

 

[Eminence]

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

"Tomorrow" isn't the critical piece of information in the sentence, "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow."

Yeah, "retiring" is. Has Calvin Johnson done that?

 

[Deamon]

In negotiations to move him now.

hahaha don't do that! If this is wrong I'm gonna feel terrible.

Got Moncrief.

Nice... has the other owner said anything since this stuff broke? He's probably pretty mad

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

"Tomorrow" isn't the critical piece of information in the sentence, "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow."

Yeah, "retiring" is. Has Calvin Johnson done that?

You really are a fisherman. If it has to be spelled out to you how amazing it was that the OP was on to this story well ahead of any news outlet, and you are going to actually defend yourself for being one of the biggest DBs in the entire thread, seriously go play in traffic.

Even when folks try and pound on me I tend to not make it personal but it obvious you like to fish and see how far you can push it. I would say if this is your ammo, we need to flip the IGNORE switch on quickly.

 

[Eminence]

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

"Tomorrow" isn't the critical piece of information in the sentence, "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow."

Yeah, "retiring" is. Has Calvin Johnson done that?

You really are a fisherman. If it has to be spelled out to you how amazing it was that the OP was on to this story well ahead of any news outlet, and you are going to actually defend yourself for being one of the biggest DBs in the entire thread, seriously go play in traffic. Even when folks try and pound on me I tend to not make it personal but it obvious you like to fish and see how far you can push it. I would say if this is your ammo, we need to flip the IGNORE switch on quickly.

I already stated that it was awesome to have insider information. I can still stand by my original "joke" and be stunned that there appeared to be validity to it after all.

 

[msommer]

Does anyone think Calvin is worth his 24m cap charge these days?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Shocking news to be released tomorrow apparently.

EDT: Didn't happen.... source might have been wrong, sorry guys.

God I hate quoting Em, but......................

The original post stated Calvin was retiring January 4th. He clearly did not.

He is 31 on a crappy team and wants out. Not a real surprise he is considering it (or should I say, making the Lions think he wants to).

If the original post said something about the janitor or whoever he knows said he heard Calvin was thinking about retirement, fine. Nope, we get "Calvin is retiring tomorrow, shocking news coming".

He isn't retiring anyway, so, whatevs,

Wow.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

No bro, what he said was he was going to retire "tomorrow". That was on the 3rd. It's now the 6th and he hasn't retired. That's the reason I made a joke. Because it was obviously wrong. Even if he retires tomorrow, I was making fun of the original poster's original claim.

If he simply said, "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" I wouldn't have made my original joke.

"Tomorrow" isn't the critical piece of information in the sentence, "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow."

Yeah, "retiring" is. Has Calvin Johnson done that?

You really are a fisherman. If it has to be spelled out to you how amazing it was that the OP was on to this story well ahead of any news outlet, and you are going to actually defend yourself for being one of the biggest DBs in the entire thread, seriously go play in traffic. Even when folks try and pound on me I tend to not make it personal but it obvious you like to fish and see how far you can push it. I would say if this is your ammo, we need to flip the IGNORE switch on quickly.

m.o.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Shocking news to be released tomorrow apparently.

EDT: Didn't happen.... source might have been wrong, sorry guys.

God I hate quoting Em, but......................

The original post stated Calvin was retiring January 4th. He clearly did not.

He is 31 on a crappy team and wants out. Not a real surprise he is considering it (or should I say, making the Lions think he wants to).

If the original post said something about the janitor or whoever he knows said he heard Calvin was thinking about retirement, fine. Nope, we get "Calvin is retiring tomorrow, shocking news coming".

He isn't retiring anyway, so, whatevs,

The OP clearly knew something we didn't, this isn't just a lucky guess.

Hes leaving a lot of money on the table, I hope they can move him to a contender but its nearly impossible at his contract

 

[Milkman]

You would think if Calvin told the Lions he was going to retire if they didn't cut him that they would release him.

 

[shadyridr]

So your source was his mom

 

[Insein]

So your source was his mom

He has an in. Giggity

 

[cobalt_27]

You would think if Calvin told the Lions he was going to retire if they didn't cut him that they would release him.

They have $13m reasons to not release him. If he retires, do be it. But he isn't retiring.

 

[dirtyjay]

So much butt hurt against a guy who leaked news that I just cant believe it.

While I am in no way comparing Deamon to an insider, he had some inside info.

When people with clout do this we are excited, even if it is Mort saying Beckham will play. We clamor as if it is true, but some guy without that clout says it and many doubt, even when it is true.

'Merica.

 

[Milkman]

You would think if Calvin told the Lions he was going to retire if they didn't cut him that they would release him.

They have $13m reasons to not release him. If he retires, do be it. But he isn't retiring.

Yeah but is he worth 24m against the cap? He doesn't have to restructure. They're rebuilding just cut him and start over.

 

[Jed]

Thanks guys. I fully expected to get attacked for starting it but figured I'd share what I heard with the community anyways. Even I started to get a little worried though once it didn't happen right away though haha

It still hasn't happened, lol.

Really doubling down in the stupid aren't you?

Really willing to bet that Calvin Johnson doesn't retire. Anyone want to bet on this? All other things aside it didn't start as "speculation". Original poster said, "Calvin Johnson is going to announce his retirement tomorrow!". His narrative slowly changed to the point where a quote stating the "Calvin Johnson is contemplating retirement" does not support his original claim that "Calvin Johnson is going to retire tomorrow".

If there is validity and there were rumblings in Detroit, then fine, this was insider information which could have given you an edge over the public.

I didn't post it to brag or get in a pissing contest here about 'oh I was wrong, it wasn't tomorrow". The guy inside the Lions organization said he was going to retire tomorrow. If you want to say I was wrong because I got the date wrong, honestly I don't care. It was still big info that there wasn't a PEEP about on the internet or twitter anywhere, so I thought I would share with the community here what I heard, even at the risk of rubbing some people the wrong way.

There was clearly validity that there were rumblings in Detroit though. Whether he does or not, or changed his mind, all I did was pass on info from a guy that was told he would be retiring.

Listen man, where there's smoke - there's fire. The point is, I was razzing you because you said he was going to retire 'tomorrow'. That was hilariously and obviously false that it needed to come out. If you would have simply said, "Calvin Johnson is considering retirement". I wouldn't have said anything as that wasn't obvious hyperbole.

Serious question: How many real life friends do you have?

 

[dirtyjay]

Hey Eminence if it was so obvious and you have the pulse of everything, why didnt you break the news?

 

[Eminence]

You guys are a bunch of sickos. I made a joke about a guy's prediction that didn't happen. A simple joke and now you're coming at me? Dude was wrong, I made a comment.

Get over it guys.

 

[Eminence]

Don't joke around here!!!

 

[Eminence]

Shocking news to be released tomorrow apparently.

EDT: Didn't happen.... source might have been wrong, sorry guys.

God I hate quoting Em, but......................

The original post stated Calvin was retiring January 4th. He clearly did not.

He is 31 on a crappy team and wants out. Not a real surprise he is considering it (or should I say, making the Lions think he wants to).

If the original post said something about the janitor or whoever he knows said he heard Calvin was thinking about retirement, fine. Nope, we get "Calvin is retiring tomorrow, shocking news coming".

He isn't retiring anyway, so, whatevs,

Finally, somebody with a brain!

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah...it was a joke. Which is why you keep going about him not getting it completely right.

Nice backtrack.

 

[sho nuff]

Shocking news to be released tomorrow apparently.

EDT: Didn't happen.... source might have been wrong, sorry guys.

God I hate quoting Em, but......................

The original post stated Calvin was retiring January 4th. He clearly did not.

He is 31 on a crappy team and wants out. Not a real surprise he is considering it (or should I say, making the Lions think he wants to).

If the original post said something about the janitor or whoever he knows said he heard Calvin was thinking about retirement, fine. Nope, we get "Calvin is retiring tomorrow, shocking news coming".

He isn't retiring anyway, so, whatevs,

Finally, somebody with a brain!

The other guy who is wrong...and I thought you were joking. Makes zero sense for you to support this and keep going if it was a joke em.

As usual, you continue to run your mouth digging yourself into a deeper hole

 

[Eminence]

Yeah...it was a joke. Which is why you keep going about him not getting it completely right.

Nice backtrack.

That's why I made the joke, lol. Because he wasn't right. Makes sense, right?

 

[dirtyjay]

Shocking news to be released tomorrow apparently.

EDT: Didn't happen.... source might have been wrong, sorry guys.

God I hate quoting Em, but......................

The original post stated Calvin was retiring January 4th. He clearly did not.

He is 31 on a crappy team and wants out. Not a real surprise he is considering it (or should I say, making the Lions think he wants to).

If the original post said something about the janitor or whoever he knows said he heard Calvin was thinking about retirement, fine. Nope, we get "Calvin is retiring tomorrow, shocking news coming".

He isn't retiring anyway, so, whatevs,

Finally, somebody with a brain!

 

[MikeApf]

This is where I would just stop the car and tell everyone to get out.

 

[sho nuff]

Yeah...it was a joke. Which is why you keep going about him not getting it completely right.

Nice backtrack.

That's why I made the joke, lol. Because he wasn't right. Makes sense, right?

None of what you say makes sense...in any topic.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

This is why we can't have nice things.

 

[lod01]

Does anyone think Calvin is worth his 24m cap charge these days?

Nope and certainly not on a team that throws it to him one time in a game and the previous game he catches one pass and they lose.

 

[tone1oc]

Not sure where to post so I'll repost in this thread..

If the Lions did release him they would gain just over $11M in cap space, but that would include almost $13M in dead money for 2016. Currently they have ~$20M in cap space for 2016, with 23 free agents on their roster. They absolutely could cut him, but it's hard to build a team with that much dead money (accounts for almost 10% of cap) to start the offseason.

I think the new GM domino will have to fall before any of this happens.

 

[BigJim®]

Can someone clarify the financials here from cap perspective? I've seen it speculated that this report may motivate the Lions to cut him. Is there a cap rationale to that... such as a retirement having worse cap impact than cutting him? Also have seen that Calvin would need to repay $3.4 mil original signing bonus if he retires, but would not need to repay if the Lions cut him. What happens if he gets to the cut date, is not cut, and then retires? TIA

 

[tone1oc]

Can someone clarify the financials here from cap perspective? I've seen it speculated that this report may motivate the Lions to cut him. Is there a cap rationale to that... such as a retirement having worse cap impact than cutting him? Also have seen that Calvin would need to repay $3.4 mil original signing bonus if he retires, but would not need to repay if the Lions cut him. What happens if he gets to the cut date, is not cut, and then retires? TIA

I posted the cap numbers above.. If he retires, the Lions would be off the hook completely (so + $24M) and Calvin would have to pay back a $10M bonus for 2016 that he's already received.

If they wait until after June 1st dead money falls to $8M and the gain goes to just under $16M, but I doubt they wait that long to figure it out.

I'm not sure what happens if he was to retire, then come back.. I would be interested in any clarification on that.

 

[lod01]

Calvin is too nice a guy. If smart, he will wait out the cut process if he really plans to retire. He's a total sap if he has to pay them back. The team that for 9 years surrounded him with trash in players and coaches.

 

[tone1oc]

Calvin is too nice a guy. If smart, he will wait out the cut process if he really plans to retire. He's a total sap if he has to pay them back. The team that for 9 years surrounded him with trash in players and coaches.

I'm pretty sure he'd still have to pay back ~8M if he waited..

 

[lod01]

Calvin is too nice a guy. If smart, he will wait out the cut process if he really plans to retire. He's a total sap if he has to pay them back. The team that for 9 years surrounded him with trash in players and coaches.

I'm pretty sure he'd still have to pay back ~8M if he waited..

Even if they cut him first? I can't imaging that even remotely to be true. It would basically be saying, 'we think you are not worth it AND you have to keep playing football elsewhere or you owe us $ back.'.

 

[tone1oc]

Whoops, meant they'd still have 8M in dead money

 

[DocHolliday]

So Calvin should have just kept his mouth shut and let the Lions make a move? To avoid paying the back money, he would wait for the Lions to cut him or just try to play for another year and then walk away. Retiring now seems like the worst thing for Calvin to do financially.

 

[lod01]

Whoops, meant they'd still have 8M in dead money

Yeah, that's coming. Seriously doubt there is a renegotiation after Calvin's announcement. It's his polite way of saying I am done with you guys.

 

[lod01]

So Calvin should have just kept his mouth shut and let the Lions make a move? To avoid paying the back money, he would wait for the Lions to cut him or just try to play for another year and then walk away. Retiring now seems like the worst thing for Calvin to do financially.

Anyone's guess from 'He's a nice guy' to his agent saying 'do this and we will get you off that team. Trust me, I did it with Brett Favre.'

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If they wait until after June 1st dead money falls to $8M and the gain goes to just under $16M, but I doubt they wait that long to figure it out.

They wouldn't have to wait - you can designate some one a "June 1st" cut well before then.

 

[BigJim®]

Can someone clarify the financials here from cap perspective? I've seen it speculated that this report may motivate the Lions to cut him. Is there a cap rationale to that... such as a retirement having worse cap impact than cutting him? Also have seen that Calvin would need to repay $3.4 mil original signing bonus if he retires, but would not need to repay if the Lions cut him. What happens if he gets to the cut date, is not cut, and then retires? TIA

I posted the cap numbers above.. If he retires, the Lions would be off the hook completely (so + $24M) and Calvin would have to pay back a $10M bonus for 2016 that he's already received.

If they wait until after June 1st dead money falls to $8M and the gain goes to just under $16M, but I doubt they wait that long to figure it out.

I'm not sure what happens if he was to retire, then come back.. I would be interested in any clarification on that.

If your first sentence is accurate, how does a retirement threat motivate the Lions to cut him... as I've seen speculated? (I'm interpreting 'off the hook' as zero cap impact). Is it accurate to say they would have no cap impact at all if he retires before March 1, but if the Lions do not cut him March 1 after they've committed to the $24M then a retirement does impact? Simply put, does this retirement rumor actually put any pressure on the Lions at all? I think that is the $64K question in trying to assess whether he is 100% sincere or perhaps just posturing.

 

[djjosee]

A source told ESPN's Ed Werder that Calvin Johnson told his mother "he wasn't sure wanted to play any more," and cleaned out his locker unlike other Lions veterans.

A source told Werder that "Calvin is the kind of guy who says, 'If I don't feel I'm into this 100 percent, then I need to decide if want to be in at all.'" These are indications Megatron is seriously contemplating retirement, though the season just ended. It's entirely possible Johnson gets the "itch" again in a matter of months, if not weeks or days. Our bet is still that Megatron will keep playing, but it'll be a big story for at least the rest of January.
Source: Ed Werder on Twitter
Jan 6 - 10:48 PM

OP Calvin's mom?...