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You can't fall off the floor. Orlovsky has played 14 quarters of football. Prorating his stats...211 yds and .85 TD's per game. And one of his 3 TD's was just Calvin getting behind everybody. C-Pep? Orlovsky? It doesn't matter. If anything, I guess I'd take the guy with a pretty proven deep ball throughout his career. I have a hunch that Calvin's dirty little secret is that he doesn't even need to "be open". Orlovsky has been so afraid of making a mistake (ZERO INT's in 3 starts) that he's waiting to actually see Calvin open before he thinks about it. If whoever is QB-ing the Lions ever gets clued into the fact that they can throw up absolute slop and Calvin will still make magic...look out.
The problem is, Calvin isn't Moss. Never will be. Also, Cpep is pretty much washed up at this point. Lastly, Cpep can't run even half as well has he could when he was playing in Minn w/ Moss. Oh, and the Det Oline is one of the absolute worst in the NFL. Far worse than anything Cpep played behind while in Minn. My guess is that Cpep will be the 3rd best QB on Det at best. If I find out he is going to see any playing time this year, I'm shopping Calvin in the one league I own him.
I've been shopping Calvin for going on two weeks now and can't seem to find a taker. He has posted top 10 numbers in my league, and has top 10 potential, but seems like you can't land a top 10 WR for him. Best offer I got was Plax or Colston. I really don't see either as an upgrade.
In Calvin's short career, he has shown he can make plays with subpar QB's. Moss has not. Moss was great when he had Brady and (the pre-meltdown) Culpepper, but merely average with the likes of Cassell, Walter and Collins.
Can't argue with that. Even though I'd slightly prefer to see Culpepper I'd agree he'll have a hard time learning the language of the offense in time for this season. Especially since he's never been considered the brightest bulb on the tree.
Calvin has all of Moss' talent minus the dime bag attitude.Give Johnson his version of Brady or C-Pep prime, and people will be seeing numbers that rival Moss at his best, plus consistent effort, plus run blocking, plus being a positive locker room influence.I despise his wanna be gangsta attitude, but Moss is one of the all-time greats. To date he's been unique in terms of physical skills. I know exactly what I am saying when I compare these two players and how ludicrous it may sound to some.Count me a believer in Johnson's future.
This is laughable.
Why would anyone give you an upgrade in a WR for WR trade?Also, put me in the group that think Calvin is in Randy's talent range.
The term "upgrade" is relative to the eyes of the beholder. Look at all the people just in this thread that think Johnson is a top 10 WR and guy who can put up Moss-like stats. If he has Johnson ranked as WR13 in his personal rankings and let's just say player X ranked WR8. While the guy he is trying to trade with has Johnson ranked WR5 and player X ranked WR15 then both think they are getting upgrades.Makes sense to me.
This is the way I see it as well. As a Calvin owner I would love to see CPep come in and chuck it to him like he did to Moss in the glory days, but this is not the same offense or the same CPep.I see as having absolutely no change on Calvins value. JMO.
Then you guys should be willing to deal any other WR in the league for Johnson.
Value goes down if Cpep touches the field IMO.
I think that's right, too. Culpepper might be brought on board more to provide some veteran leadership for Stanton the rest of this year and next than as a stopgap solution for this year.
I think you are probably right about that. I just do not see him hitting the field, which is why I see no change in Calvin's value.
Essentially, in a dynasty league, yes.The only guy I'd even hesitate to deal for Johnson in a WR-WR move would be Fitz, and only due to the teams respective QB situations. Fitz and Johnson are the two most physically dominant WR in the game today bar none.Redraft certainly would be a different story.EDIT: Andre Johnson is right in this discussion, but IMO ranks a step below in terms of hands/routes.
I didn't want to bore with details, but it wouldn't have been a one for one. I have a decent amount of depth at RB and TE and would have moved one to improve a starting WR spot. Just saying in my mind there are only 8-9 guys who I clearly think are better. It just dosen't seem like my league thinks Johnson is a top ten guy.I've done one for one swaps with WRs before. Value is all in the eyes of the beholder.
I was thinking of making a play for Calvin, using Colston but then shook my head and realized that would be a huge downgrade for me IMO. I think Colston is proven, with a far superior situation, pass blocking line, offense, team, and a top 5 QB. No way I would do that. I love Calvin, just not in this offense yet - being wasted right now.
I like Marshall in that physical WR group, as well.
It was a toss up for me, but FBG staff compared the two on the drive block and gave the nod to CJ. Reason being that there is no promise that Colston won't get lost in shuffle during games. Brees goes to 8-10 different players a game as while Detroit will focus on Calvin (hopefully)
Can't argue that. The off-field issues keep me from putting him amongst the elite though.Another elite physical talent with a ten cent head.
I tend to agree. Like I said I think he will be the 3rd best QB on the team. My fear is that because the Oline is so terrible and Det is loosing so much. Maybe Det puts him there as a stop gap for the remainder of the season so that their 2 young QBs don't get killed behind that Oline.
