Calvin or AJ in dynasty ppr. (1 Viewer)

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Im sure this debate has been tapped on a few times. But as a big fan of both of these wr's, i was wondering who the shark pool would rather have.

PPR adds a twist in value i think but both have +/-'s.

AJ is in a potent offense where he will catch 100 routinly if not injured. He is older than Calvin so that could factor in. He also hasnt been big with the td's but thats so unpredictable to me. Also he is a possesion type wr.

Calvin may have not as good of a qb situation than AJ but the young guy looks good back there and CJ showed last year he can post good numbers with anyone throwing him the ball. He is more of a homerun threat, but he could easily develope into a big reception guy over the next yr or so. I also think he is a better redzone target than AJ.

I dont really have anything negative to say about either, both are superstuds imo, but back to the question, which one would you go to battle with if you had to choose one in a dynasty ppr.

*eta this is not a ACF cleverly masked question, just a debate brought from one of my leagues forum to here.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Calvin's upside is so high that there is no way I would trade him, even in a PPR. Also, Calvin is going to be 24 years old in September, and Andre is 28 years old. Calvin has a good 7-8 years of stud production. That is huge.

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Calvin's upside is so high that there is no way I would trade him, even in a PPR. Also, Calvin is going to be 24 years old in September, and Andre is 28 years old. Calvin has a good 7-8 years of stud production. That is huge.

Anthony you know i been with you on the view of Calvin since he came into the league. I think he has barely scratched the surface. I can see some wierd R.Moss numbers being posted very soon by this guy. AJ is awesome though....Ive seen him come into his own, both are pretty much unguardable. Calvin is my #1 dynasty wr and i have AJ#2 (although AJ may still outscore him this yr).

 

[CrossEyed]

In a dynasty league the only other WR I would consider over Calvin would be Fitz. And given what looks to be the future QB situation, I think I'd still go with Calvin.

 

[LBH]

Calvin over anybody in dynasty PPR for me

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

*eta this is not a ACF cleverly masked question, just a debate brought from one of my leagues forum to here.

I never see the difference betweeen asking "who would you draft" and "who should I draft" in these X vs. Y threads but maybe that's just me.

 

[pollardsvision]

I take Calvin without thinking twice.

The value is close this season and Calvin's 4 years younger.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Wouldn't trade Calvin for ANYONE in a dynasty PPR.

Calvin had 50% more scores last year than Andre Johnson has ever had in his 6 year career. And he was catching those TDs from guys like Dan Orlovsky.

 

[Buckna]

If I was planning my draft strategy around winning now, I believe AJ has slightly less risk and is more likely to outscore Calvin on a PPR basis in the next 2-3 years.

However, considering how so many people have Calvin as untradeable, you'd probably be better off taking him and then trading him for a massive king's ransom. Some of the hauls that people have posted in the AC Forum are huge and would set your team up for a very long time.

 

[SSOG]

Calvin's my #3 dynasty WR, behind Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald... PPR or no. The key for me is that the age difference between 24 and 28 isn't a big deal. Stud WRs historically remain productive until 34-35, which means both players have at least 6 years of high stud-level production left in them... and the practical difference between 6 years and 10 years is pretty much nonexistent. Both are going to be worth as much 2-3 years from now as they are today, so the key is figuring out who will be better in the intervening 2-3 year span. In the meantime, I just feel that Andre Johnson has a better track record of success with several different QBs. I also don't get how much higher Calvin's ceiling can be than Andre's- Andre's 2007 numbers put him on pace for 107/1500/15... and that was playing through an injury! Give Schaub and Andre a full season together healthy and I don't think a 110/1600/16 type season is out of the question.

 

[DoubleG]

Everyone else is saying Calvin, but I'm going to say...Calvin.

 

[Stitch]

Calvin for me too. He's my #1 overall player in dynasty ppr. Guy is amazing!

 

[millertyme1]

Calvin's my #1 fantasy player easily.

 

[puckalicious]

Anyone not taking CJ as the #1 WR in a startup dynasty (regardless of format) needs their head checked.

 

[SSOG]

Anyone not taking CJ as the #1 WR in a startup dynasty (regardless of format) needs their head checked.

This, except replace "Calvin Johnson" with "Larry Fitzgerald".

 

[Christo]

I took Calvin with my first pick in a new PPR dynasty last week.

And grabbed Stafford in the 14th. Hopefully a nice duo for a lot of years.

 

[doubletrouble]

wow I will go against the gain and say AJ

If Im in a win now mode I take AJ all day but over the long haul I would LOVE to have Calvin!

Calvin will reach that "untouchable status" next year...IMO

 

[sib]

Calvin over AJ for me. Calvin is younger and I want my stud WR to get 80/1200/10 at minimum year after year. I don't think AJ's ever gotten double-digit TDs. Calvin is just scratching the surface of his potential; he is a beast.

 

[SSOG]

Calvin over AJ for me. Calvin is younger and I want my stud WR to get 80/1200/10 at minimum year after year. I don't think AJ's ever gotten double-digit TDs. Calvin is just scratching the surface of his potential; he is a beast.

8 TDs in 9 games in '07.

 

[steelcityman]

Calvin > Andre

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

even though i know im a big fan of Calvin, i didnt think this many would prefer him over AJ.

these responses are very interesting.

 

[spider321]

Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the NFL...

...EVER.

Did I mention he also has great hands?

 

[Prinefan]

Calvin. Not close.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Megatron > AJ

 

[SSOG]

Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the NFL......EVER.Did I mention he also has great hands?

Let's not get carried away, here. Coming into the league, Moss was faster and had much better leaping skills. He was also a lot more fluid. As far as I'm concerned, young Randy Moss remains the standard.

 

[spider321]

Calvin is the most physically gifted WR in the NFL......EVER.Did I mention he also has great hands?

Let's not get carried away, here. Coming into the league, Moss was faster and had much better leaping skills. He was also a lot more fluid. As far as I'm concerned, young Randy Moss remains the standard.

I would give young Moss a close 2nd. Yes, Moss was faster.Leaping ability and fluidity is a push.They both have great hands.Calvin is much stronger and more refined than young Moss was.Plus, Calvin actually has a head on his shoulders. I doubt he will be assaulting many meter maids.

 

[SSOG]

I would give young Moss a close 2nd. Yes, Moss was faster.Leaping ability and fluidity is a push. Calvin is much stronger and more refined than young Moss was.Plus, Calvin actually has a head on his shoulders. I doubt he will be assaulting many meter maids.

Moss could easily out-leap Calvin. Moss can *STILL* probably out-leap Calvin, and he's over 30 now. Also, not assaulting meter maids is a mental gift, not a physical gift.

 

[puckalicious]

Anyone not taking CJ as the #1 WR in a startup dynasty (regardless of format) needs their head checked.

This, except replace "Calvin Johnson" with "Larry Fitzgerald".

The prospect of Fitz playing with Leinert is much worse than Calvin playing with Stafford. Even though Stafford is a bit of an unknown, he at least has a chance of being great whereas Leinert does not.On top of that, Fitz has very talented WRs to compete with for targets (admittedly hasn't hurt so far) while Calvin has zero competition to take away targets.But in reality the difference is not very big between them so I'll withdraw my "head checked" comment in that regard, but it does appy to Calvin vs AJ.

 

[DropKick]

I have both and don't have to make that decision

I'd be reluctant to trade either but, if I had to, it would be AJ. Calvin is too young and has too much upside. The only negatives are the team (he still produced last year) and the back injury incurred as a rookie (d*mn you, Kitna!).

 

[Holy Schneikes]

I would give young Moss a close 2nd. Yes, Moss was faster.Leaping ability and fluidity is a push. Calvin is much stronger and more refined than young Moss was.Plus, Calvin actually has a head on his shoulders. I doubt he will be assaulting many meter maids.

Moss could easily out-leap Calvin. Moss can *STILL* probably out-leap Calvin, and he's over 30 now. Also, not assaulting meter maids is a mental gift, not a physical gift.

Not sure what you are basing this on?The only legit references I can find to Moss' vert were 39" (in several 1998 articles around draft time).Calvin posted at 42.5 vert in the combine and had a broad jump of 11' 07" which as far as I know was the best broad jump ever recorded at the combine.He recently measured a 44" vert at camp and then repeated it when the coaches thought it might have been an error.I am NOT saying that based on this circumstantial stuff that Calvin could absolutely outjump Moss, but I will say that your assertion that "Moss could easily out-leap Calvin" is questionable to say the least. Calvin Johnson may well be the best leaper that the NFL has ever seen.

 

[Loopdog]

I feel like Andre Johnson is always hurt, but I checked his profile and he's only missed games in parts of two seasons. That surprised me. That said, I still take Calvin and I don't really think there's a debate. Andre is good, very talented and you win if you own either guy, but Calvin is on another level of talent. I think Andre will have a better year this year most likely, but over the long haul, Calvin Johnson is going to put up numbers that are going to blow people's minds

 

[Spike]

Calvin's upside is so high that there is no way I would trade him, even in a PPR. Also, Calvin is going to be 24 years old in September, and Andre is 28 years old. Calvin has a good 7-8 years of stud production. That is huge.

I'm on board with this thinking also.To back it, in an initial dynasty draft (PPR) I'm in the midst of, I took Calvin at 1.08 and Andre went 1.09.

 

[SSOG]

I would give young Moss a close 2nd. Yes, Moss was faster.Leaping ability and fluidity is a push. Calvin is much stronger and more refined than young Moss was.Plus, Calvin actually has a head on his shoulders. I doubt he will be assaulting many meter maids.

Moss could easily out-leap Calvin. Moss can *STILL* probably out-leap Calvin, and he's over 30 now. Also, not assaulting meter maids is a mental gift, not a physical gift.

Not sure what you are basing this on?The only legit references I can find to Moss' vert were 39" (in several 1998 articles around draft time).Calvin posted at 42.5 vert in the combine and had a broad jump of 11' 07" which as far as I know was the best broad jump ever recorded at the combine.He recently measured a 44" vert at camp and then repeated it when the coaches thought it might have been an error.I am NOT saying that based on this circumstantial stuff that Calvin could absolutely outjump Moss, but I will say that your assertion that "Moss could easily out-leap Calvin" is questionable to say the least. Calvin Johnson may well be the best leaper that the NFL has ever seen.

Admittedly, I might be giving Moss too much credit for physical leaping ability because of his elite mental leaping ability (I've never seen a WR who grabbed the ball at the absolute highest point so consistently, which certainly makes it look like he's leaping higher).

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

So we all see that most prefer or have Calvin as the #1 rated dynasty ppr guy, but does that mean he isnt tradeable???

i only ask as ive been offered so much for him here: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=484693

 

[Knobs]

I'd take AJ, but you can't really go wrong.

No one is untradeable...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Calvin's upside is so high that there is no way I would trade him, even in a PPR. Also, Calvin is going to be 24 years old in September, and Andre is 28 years old. Calvin has a good 7-8 years of stud production. That is huge.

winnah

 

[JPeso]

Not even close for me. Calvin.

 

[Favre 2 Jennings]

Not even close for me. Calvin.

For me neither. Would take Calvin and never look back...I tried to lure him away from an owner in my dynasty league since he was coming into the league... finally got him this offseason for A. Gonzales, DeSean Jackson and my 1st rounder... i know i won't regret it for many many years...

 

[THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA]

Not even close for me. Calvin.

For me neither. Would take Calvin and never look back...I tried to lure him away from an owner in my dynasty league since he was coming into the league... finally got him this offseason for A. Gonzales, DeSean Jackson and my 1st rounder... i know i won't regret it for many many years...

Ok you got one great deal for Calvin....Ive seen him land WAY more in deals. nice!!

 

[switz]

Calvin, easily... AJ IMO is a great PPG WR, but he misses way too much time for me to ever draft him...

 

[abe froman]

First off AJ missed no games in 08.. 2nd he is better than a "good PPR WR" The guy caught 115 balls last year on 170 targets.. that's 37 more catches than Calvin which equates to another 6+ TD's!!

I think it's crazy to say it's an easy choice, both are young studs. I think where you make the decision lies in whether or not it's a PPR. PPR Id go AJ, nonPPR Id go Calvin(Truthfully with the decent showing from Leinart lately I think the 3 of Fitz/Calvin/AJ are very close).

There's just no clear easy answer here imo, it's a matter of preference.

*maybe this helps for those lookin to make a run in 09: AJ gets SEA in week 14 (most FF playoffs 1st week), while Megatron gets BAL.. FITZY gets SF, DET, STL in that order for those playoff weeks..