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Campbell - make up your mind (1 Viewer)

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Anyone else finding it hard to get a handle on his value? You could say he's only as good as the D allows I guess, at least so far (bad vs good NYG D, good vs weak NO D) - just wondering either short- or long-term if he is ever going to turn the corner, regress into suckitude, or just keep flip-flopping back n forth.

 
He's got a lot of physical tools, and seems to have a lot of fortitude - dealing with being the Redskins starting QB not an easy thing.

I think he could progress and be good/very good if he ever got to stay in ONE system more than a year or two. I don't think he's ideally suited to the West Coast offense (holds the ball too long, IMHO) but he'd be more consistent if he got to stay in ANY system for a significant length of time.

 
You are going to have to go with Campbell when the matchup allows. The entire Redskins offense is a work in progress so it's not Campbell's fault. I don't understand why so many were hard on him after that Giants loss. It was the first game in a brand new offense, with a brand new coach and playcaller. That was actually the first time Zorn has ever called plays. Add to that they were playing the defending Champs on the road. It was obvious it was going to be ugly. I feel Campbell is going to be a very good QB once Zorn starts calling plays to his strengths and takes the handcuffs off like he did against the Saints.

 
Pretty sure it has something to do with my decision to play him. When I do, he stinks... When I don't he goes off.

My apologies to the other Campbell owners out there.

(Yeah I know.. "Point to the shirt")

 
drafted him as a cheap project in a 3 year keeper league - I think he will be a serviceable plug in back up as the year goes on - but I'm hoping it clicks by the end of the year and he may end up as a decent starter in 2009. Good upside IMO - and a god stash in keeper leagues.

 
As a dynasty Campbell owner I was pretty excited with the Zorn hiring. I think he will produce a good Redskins offense with Jason at the helm. I was even more excited when they used their first 3 picks on offensive weapons.

I'm not sure they've completely turned the corner after one good week, but I feel confident that Jason will be a good play in the 2nd half.

 
Campbell is a WCO QB in the style of McNabb- his strengths (good mobility; strong arm) are not traditional WCO strengths, but the key for him like McNabb will be whether he can master enough of the WCO bread and butter passing plays on short and intermediate routes, going to second and third reads, etc. for the offense to be run and allow him to take shots downfield. The good news is that Campbell looks to me like he can. And unlike McNabb (without TO or Desean), he's got a first class recieving TE in Cooley and a legitimate downfield threat in Moss, and I like Randle El better than Greg Lewis running the shorter routes and doing the Welkeresque dirty work. I also think Kelly (if he ever stays healthy) is >>>>> Baskett.

Anyway, I like where this team is headed, and I'm very happy that after only one choppy week at New York, Zorn immediately made adjustments that played to Campbell's strengths by instituting more shotgun plays and by calling for more designed rollouts - Campbell is a very good passer rolling out to his right.

So I think Campbell's upside is as a slightly less mobile (and possibly slightly more accurate) McNabb, or a slightly more mobile Palmer. He's not startable now because his week-to-week performance is unreliable, but he's a good QB2 to have, especially in dynasty. The key for him (and for you to watch for) is how well he continues to improve in the WCO, especially by looking off primary receivers and going to secondary or tertiary reads. He took a nice step forward in the Saints game (the completion to Fred Davis was a 3rd option for him, for example), and the good news here is that Campbell is known as a very hard worker by all accounts and has the respect and confidence of his teammates. I'm optimistic.

 
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I wouldnt chalk up all of Campbell's good performance to the weakness or injuries in the Saints O. He was moving around the pocket and making plays off script, which is a big step forward from last year. Santana Moss looks like his old self, and Campbell definitely has the arm strength to harness that speed and playmaking ability. Add in a Clinton Portis who is still one of the best in the business and the Skins O looks legit. Week 1 to Week 2 was night and day, more downfield pass playcalling, and a much more comfortable Campbell. I expect more games like the NO game and less like the NYG game going forward.

 
I expect more games like the NO game and less like the NYG game going forward.
I think the next few weeks will be pretty telling. They have ARI, DAL, and PHI the next 3 weeks. If the offense can progress well in that stretch, watch out. The following three games will be STL, CLE, and DET. Campbell's trade value could be sky high at that point. He follows that up with a tough stretch of PIT, DAL, SEA, NYG, and BAL.
 
Anyone else finding it hard to get a handle on his value? You could say he's only as good as the D allows I guess, at least so far (bad vs good NYG D, good vs weak NO D) - just wondering either short- or long-term if he is ever going to turn the corner, regress into suckitude, or just keep flip-flopping back n forth.
not sure what 'sucktitude' means..not sure what people mean when they say 'uber' , either... :rolleyes: all you need to see in Campbell is that the O/U for this weekend's game is 42 pts, down from earlier in the week..but Washington is still favored.That can only mean loads of scoring by each team in an epic shootout! I'd be shocked if Campbell doesn't throw for 300+ yards and 2+tds on sunday..he might be more of a week-2-week starter, but anytime I see the vegas line showing an O/u that is higher than,say, 44 pts, I'm putting any/all players I have from either team , in my starting lineup. :thumbup: Vegas likes this new offense and realizes their defense is going to give up quite a few pts,too..means more shootouts!
 
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Campbell's best year @ Auburn was in the WCO, and he will make significant improvement during '08. The view of him holding the ball too long was indeed correct, and excusable due to all the 1st time coach/plays/blah/blah. Too long vs. the Giants is an easy mistake to make. I confidently started him over Palmer last week despite the poor week 1 showing, and for at least the 1st 1/2 of this year I think you have to let matchup dictate when he starts.

If anybody mentions Colt Brennan in regards to the Redskins future, I'll kick you in the shins.

 
Campbell's best year @ Auburn was in the WCO, and he will make significant improvement during '08. The view of him holding the ball too long was indeed correct, and excusable due to all the 1st time coach/plays/blah/blah. Too long vs. the Giants is an easy mistake to make. I confidently started him over Palmer last week despite the poor week 1 showing, and for at least the 1st 1/2 of this year I think you have to let matchup dictate when he starts.If anybody mentions Colt Brennan in regards to the Redskins future, I'll kick you in the shins.
The Colt Brennan pick was a smart pick as he was value where they got him, and I like his promise. Still, Brennan is a two-year project (a little reminiscent of Romo IMHO, though I'm not predicting that level of success necessarily) and shouldn't get anywhere near the field even as a backup until 2009, and anywhere near the starting lineup until 2010 unless there's an injury to everyone ahead of him (I think this is Collins' last year in Washington, though I could be wrong), or the latter half of 2009 in the event that Campbell is busting hard. The wisdom behind the pick is that Brennan's learning curve seems to be very well synched up to the amount of time it should reasonably take to determine if Campbell is a legit starter and to master the WCO if he can. Campbell, however, looks good and figures to keep that starting job IMHO if he doesn't get derailed with another injury, for example. Brennan's value is long term, and more in the mold of a guy like Matt Schaub.
 
i think Campbell will explode onto the scene once he gets to work in an offense (OC) that survives to its second year

he hasn't been in that situation since Soph year at Auburn if I remember right

 
i think Campbell will explode onto the scene once he gets to work in an offense (OC) that survives to its second yearhe hasn't been in that situation since Soph year at Auburn if I remember right
Actually, since high school. This is true even though Saunders was there for two years (2006-07) because Gibbs put the shackles on the offense and didn't really let Saunders run it is way until Collins took over late last year given Gibbs' deep mistrust of young QB's and how mistake prone they are. This is also the first time that Campbell has had a fully healthy starting WR corps; Moss especially has been hampered by nagging leg injuries over the last two years even though he was in the lineup at times. Still, it's noteworthy that Campbell has continuously shown improvement in Washington despite the adversity - he led the team on two late-game comebacks in Tampa and in Dallas just before he was injured that were impressive even though they ended up getting derailed by INT's. It's not been dramatic improvement like you've seen from other young QB's, so he's still under the radar, but it's there.
 
he led the team on two late-game comebacks in Tampa and in Dallas just before he was injured that were impressive even though they ended up getting derailed by INT's.
...and a fumble. In fact he fumbled in 5 straight games end of last year. This is exatly the kind of up n down I'm talking about. Maybe it's the new system thing, not sure
 
Campbell is a WCO QB in the style of McNabb- his strengths (good mobility; strong arm) are not traditional WCO strengths, but the key for him like McNabb will be whether he can master enough of the WCO bread and butter passing plays on short and intermediate routes, going to second and third reads, etc. for the offense to be run and allow him to take shots downfield. The good news is that Campbell looks to me like he can. And unlike McNabb (without TO or Desean), he's got a first class recieving TE in Cooley and a legitimate downfield threat in Moss, and I like Randle El better than Greg Lewis running the shorter routes and doing the Welkeresque dirty work. I also think Kelly (if he ever stays healthy) is >>>>> Baskett. Anyway, I like where this team is headed, and I'm very happy that after only one choppy week at New York, Zorn immediately made adjustments that played to Campbell's strengths by instituting more shotgun plays and by calling for more designed rollouts - Campbell is a very good passer rolling out to his right. So I think Campbell's upside is as a slightly less mobile (and possibly slightly more accurate) McNabb, or a slightly more mobile Palmer. He's not startable now because his week-to-week performance is unreliable, but he's a good QB2 to have, especially in dynasty. The key for him (and for you to watch for) is how well he continues to improve in the WCO, especially by looking off primary receivers and going to secondary or tertiary reads. He took a nice step forward in the Saints game (the completion to Fred Davis was a 3rd option for him, for example), and the good news here is that Campbell is known as a very hard worker by all accounts and has the respect and confidence of his teammates. I'm optimistic.
I wouldnt chalk up all of Campbell's good performance to the weakness or injuries in the Saints O. He was moving around the pocket and making plays off script, which is a big step forward from last year. Santana Moss looks like his old self, and Campbell definitely has the arm strength to harness that speed and playmaking ability. Add in a Clinton Portis who is still one of the best in the business and the Skins O looks legit. Week 1 to Week 2 was night and day, more downfield pass playcalling, and a much more comfortable Campbell. I expect more games like the NO game and less like the NYG game going forward.
:towelwave: x2Another good game for him: 22/30/193 2/0. Also note that those numbers came despite a very cold spell in the 2nd Q where he was only 1-for-6. The Cards weren't giving the 'Skins any deep throws, so they took underneath stuff all day which explains the low ypa, but it's impressive in its own right because Campbell has been accurate enough to hit those patterns. He's thrown 4 TD's versus 0 INT's in 3 games, and his year-to-date rating is ~90 or so. He's definitely a player to buy, though you may if you're inclined to do that want to wait until after what may be two rough road games @ Philly and @ Dallas before doing that to get him at a better price.
 

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