Can Cam Cameron help Ronnie Brown? (1 Viewer)

[Iceman56751]

Brown's stats the past two years have been far from stellar.

Can Cam Cameron's offense from Chargers help Brown put up stats to put him in the top ten for RB's?

I read Brown listed as a top ten dynasty back - but his numbers have been weak the past two years - not to mention if Ricky is still there.

 

[Jedimaster21]

Cam Cameron will install an offensive system similar to the one he ran in San Diego, and Ronnie has the talent and versatility to be a dominant player. Ricky could be a factor in the present, but the future is very bright for Ronnie Brown. He continues to be one of the few backs in the NFL that can be effective at the goalline and in the passing game, which will lead to lots of touches and TDs in an offense that should be improving.

 

[greyone]

CC will most certainly help. shouldn't really need to elaborate beyond...LT and SD offense comparisons. Although i think Miami will be a better passing team than past charger squads. *gut feeling*

I think the real questions should be directed towards C-Pep and "Ricky".

Also the last two seasons stastistics are nice to look at. But both years are so different.

1st season with Ricky. RBBC that was loaded with talent. Unlike other RBBC that are forced on two rbs that lack the total package.

2nd season was just plain unstable. Cpep-Joey-Lemon all took snaps. Joey specifically killed him in ppr leagues.

3rd season. Different QB. Different offense*i think*.Different coaches. i almost want to say different statistics.

Does RBrown deserve a top 10 ranking(dynasty or not). YES.

*quick note - Before his hand injury RBrown was as reliable as they come to hit double digits. He many not have been posting 20 point games. But the consistency was there.

 

[stanmarino13]

I'm a huge Fin fan, Ronnie Fan, and owner that has Ronnie in a few Dynasty leagues, so take this for what its worth. Really i think he was completely under utilized, by Mularkey who sure lives up to the name as an OC. Any OC that will have Joey Harrington throw the ball 62 times in one game should be shot. (62 att in the GB game) So basically I would say Cam Cam should improve his stock quite a bit.

 

[PadresLakers]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to me

Ronnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

 

[nygiants56]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

Ronnie Brown is nothing more than Keith Byars redux.the o-line in Miami is lousy. I've seen nothing from Brown to think he's a top talent or pro-bowl quality player. He doesn't have great moves. After watching Brown struggle thru most of last season, I traded him straight up for Andre Johnson, and couldn't be happier. I now can see why Brown wasn't a starter in college. He just doesn't have great field vision or a knack for hitting the open holes. As a compliment to another RB, he's perfect. As a starting RB, he's a slightly faster version of Keith Byars. I'd put Brown somewhere between a Lamont Jordan type, and Keith Byars.a great #3-#4 RB or a bye week fill-in. Cameron will improve his stats, but he has nowhere near the talent of LT. Shanahan called Barlow the best RB in the draft a few years ago, and Bellichick called Ronnie Brown the best RB in the draft too.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I thought ROnnie started to look really good until he hirt his hand. And that's with Joey at QB.

Did Miami keep their Oline coach H.Hauck? Cam can only help that O.

 

[Colin Dowling]

1. It wasn't Cameron's system. It was a system he inherited from Norv.

2. Ronnie isn't LT.

I expect he'll indeed help Ronnie Brown as a player in both NFL and FF, but if anyone is stopping by looking for hope that Ronnie turns in to the next great back is not getting such assurances from me.

 

[shamrock84]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to me

Ronnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

Ronnie Brown is nothing more than Keith Byars redux.

the o-line in Miami is lousy. I've seen nothing from Brown to think he's a top talent or pro-bowl quality player. He doesn't have great moves. After watching Brown struggle thru most of last season, I traded him straight up for Andre Johnson, and couldn't be happier. I now can see why Brown wasn't a starter in college. He just doesn't have great field vision or a knack for hitting the open holes. As a compliment to another RB, he's perfect. As a starting RB, he's a slightly faster version of Keith Byars. I'd put Brown somewhere between a Lamont Jordan type, and Keith Byars.

a great #3-#4 RB or a bye week fill-in. Cameron will improve his stats, but he has nowhere near the talent of LT.

Shanahan called Barlow the best RB in the draft a few years ago, and Bellichick called Ronnie Brown the best RB in the draft too.

If only you were in my league.

 

[LHUCKS]

I've been saying the Fins reached on this kid since day one. Of course, I also thought Cadillac was the next great back and he took a step back in '06 so we'll see how the Auburn duo fares in year three of their careers.

I probably wont be touching Brown in drafts this year.

 

[Gatorman]

Other than the injury, ronnie seemed to be a decent #2 last year. When c-pep was in there, he was the dump off guy.

While I don't expect LT type numbers, a top tier #2 RB is where I would put him at.

 

[C Boswell]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

this is coming from a guy whose name has Padres in it. maybe a little bitter ol Cam Cam isn't ur head coach this year. i do not think anybody is saying LT2 can be RBrown. the consensus is Cam will be able to maximize RBrowns potential like he has maximized LT2's.

 

[C Boswell]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

Ronnie Brown is nothing more than Keith Byars redux.the o-line in Miami is lousy. I've seen nothing from Brown to think he's a top talent or pro-bowl quality player. He doesn't have great moves. After watching Brown struggle thru most of last season, I traded him straight up for Andre Johnson, and couldn't be happier. I now can see why Brown wasn't a starter in college. He just doesn't have great field vision or a knack for hitting the open holes. As a compliment to another RB, he's perfect. As a starting RB, he's a slightly faster version of Keith Byars. I'd put Brown somewhere between a Lamont Jordan type, and Keith Byars.a great #3-#4 RB or a bye week fill-in. Cameron will improve his stats, but he has nowhere near the talent of LT. Shanahan called Barlow the best RB in the draft a few years ago, and Bellichick called Ronnie Brown the best RB in the draft too.

you are hilarious nygiants guy. in your first breath you say Miami's O-Line is horrible and the next bretah you say RBrown cannot hit a hole. if RBrown doesn't get the freak finger accident, he finishes 10th or 11th in my FFL. far stretch from, "#3 or #4 RB on a bye week."

 

[C Boswell]

I meant to say RBrown is no LT2. my bad.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

Ronnie Brown is nothing more than Keith Byars redux.the o-line in Miami is lousy. I've seen nothing from Brown to think he's a top talent or pro-bowl quality player. He doesn't have great moves. After watching Brown struggle thru most of last season, I traded him straight up for Andre Johnson, and couldn't be happier. I now can see why Brown wasn't a starter in college. He just doesn't have great field vision or a knack for hitting the open holes. As a compliment to another RB, he's perfect. As a starting RB, he's a slightly faster version of Keith Byars. I'd put Brown somewhere between a Lamont Jordan type, and Keith Byars.a great #3-#4 RB or a bye week fill-in. Cameron will improve his stats, but he has nowhere near the talent of LT. Shanahan called Barlow the best RB in the draft a few years ago, and Bellichick called Ronnie Brown the best RB in the draft too.

you are hilarious nygiants guy. in your first breath you say Miami's O-Line is horrible and the next bretah you say RBrown cannot hit a hole. if RBrown doesn't get the freak finger accident, he finishes 10th or 11th in my FFL. far stretch from, "#3 or #4 RB on a bye week."

 

[softball]

I've been saying the Fins reached on this kid since day one. Of course, I also thought Cadillac was the next great back and he took a step back in '06 so we'll see how the Auburn duo fares in year three of their careers.I probably wont be touching Brown in drafts this year.

That could be a mistake, the sched looks better to me in 07'One interesting thing about your post that could turn out pretty ironic. Brandon Jacobs COULD end up as the best of the three Auburn backs in 2007.

 

[salmonstud]

Ronnie Brown's situation reminds me of Steve Jackson. Both are big, soft handed, versatile RB's that split carries their 1st year in the league. Many predicted that when Martz left town any coach coming in would be a fool not to use Jackson more, which happened and it translated into a top 3 RB fantasy production in most scoring formats for Jackson in 2006. I'm not saying that Brown is going to be a top 5 back this year, but with a little more improvement from the O-Line & QB position and more commitment to the running game he could easily be a top 10 back in 2007.

 

[BoltBacker]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

The Chargers offensive line wasn't very good in 2004 and Cameron still put up 446 points(second in the league only to Indy that year). For that matter Cameron has a very good offensive track record with SD and the OL wasn't much better than average until last year.Brown isn't LT. Or Jim Brown. Or Emmitt. Or Payton. I don't think he has to perform like any of those guys to see a significant spike in production. Nobody expects him to drop in 30+ TD's because of Cameron. At least I don't.

 

[LHUCKS]

I've been saying the Fins reached on this kid since day one. Of course, I also thought Cadillac was the next great back and he took a step back in '06 so we'll see how the Auburn duo fares in year three of their careers.I probably wont be touching Brown in drafts this year.

That could be a mistake, the sched looks better to me in 07'One interesting thing about your post that could turn out pretty ironic. Brandon Jacobs COULD end up as the best of the three Auburn backs in 2007.

I'll take Caddy's career after it is all said and done. As for the schedule, I admittedly haven't looked at it.

 

[Jedimaster21]

1. It wasn't Cameron's system. It was a system he inherited from Norv.2. Ronnie isn't LT.I expect he'll indeed help Ronnie Brown as a player in both NFL and FF, but if anyone is stopping by looking for hope that Ronnie turns in to the next great back is not getting such assurances from me.

1. It doesn't really matter if it is his or Norv's, he will still use it. It is a system that emphasizes rushing the ball effectively, and throws a lot to the back. These will translate into solid numbers even if you aren't a big Ronnie fan. 2. Of course he isn't LT. Once again, he doesn't need to be to put up very good numbers. He was, however, drafted higher overall, and is 235 pounds running a 4.4. It would be hard to say that he doesn't have the physical tools to excel. The bottom line is (whether you are a Ronnie fan or not) that he will see a ton of touches as the #1 RB in that system, and that translates to fantasy points. Ricky is a question mark, but I would never avoid a player with Brown's upside due to a 30 year old that may stay in Canada. IMO you must always look long term, and Ronnie is a very wise investment.

 

[BoltBacker]

1. It wasn't Cameron's system. It was a system he inherited from Norv.

Meh, I would say that's a more valid point if Turner had put the SD offense on the map and Cameron had been the care-taker of Turners offense and equaled Norvs production. That's simply not the case. The SD offense was in the middle of the pack in '01 under Turner, which don't get me wrong is actually big strides from where they had been before he came along. Cameron took that system and honed it to one of the best in the NFL....SD POINTS SCORED'01 under Turner332'02-'06 under Cameron333313446418492... and while Cameron owes some debt of gratitude to Turner for putting a solid offensive foundation in place make no mistake about it, Cameron deserves the lions share of credit for the offense the past three seasons in SD. IMO Cameron is the best offensive mind in football at the moment and it was a major coup for MIA acquiring this guy. It'll be interesting to see how his offense runs with the uncertainty at the QB position since Camerons success has come with two very steady QB's in Brees/Rivers but that's the only question in my mind that MIA will have a lot of success on offense and Brown should be the most obvious beneficiary..BTW I don't own Brown in any FF leagues so this is NOT just the rant of somebody trying to create trade value(as seems to happen a lot on this board). Just predicting success for a talented guy leaving SD. Said the same thing with Harrison in NE, Brees in NO and Caldwell in NE. All had a lot to offer.

 

[Synthesizer]

Ronnie Brown's situation reminds me of Steve Jackson. Both are big, soft handed, versatile RB's that split carries their 1st year in the league. Many predicted that when Martz left town any coach coming in would be a fool not to use Jackson more, which happened and it translated into a top 3 RB fantasy production in most scoring formats for Jackson in 2006. I'm not saying that Brown is going to be a top 5 back this year, but with a little more improvement from the O-Line & QB position and more commitment to the running game he could easily be a top 10 back in 2007.

Same goes for C.Taylor, A.Green, McGahee, E.James, C.Williams, Balt RB, Det RB, Car RB, Ten RB, Cle RB, Oak RB.........

 

[crnerblitz]

I've been saying the Fins reached on this kid since day one. Of course, I also thought Cadillac was the next great back and he took a step back in '06 so we'll see how the Auburn duo fares in year three of their careers.

I probably wont be touching Brown in drafts this year.

That could be a mistake, the sched looks better to me in 07'One interesting thing about your post that could turn out pretty ironic. Brandon Jacobs Jason Campbell COULD WILL end up as the best of the three Auburn backs in 2007.

Fixed

 

[PadresLakers]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

this is coming from a guy whose name has Padres in it. maybe a little bitter ol Cam Cam isn't ur head coach this year. i do not think anybody is saying LT2 can be RBrown. the consensus is Cam will be able to maximize RBrowns potential like he has maximized LT2's.

What are you talking about? Cameron was a fine offensive coordinator, I couldnt care less that hes not the head coach of the Chargers. He's pretty good at calling plays, but hes not the one out there blocking 300 pounders and stiff-arming linebackers. LT has been a great running back since day 1 in the league. He is just now getting the recognition for it because hes on a good team and is getting excellent run blocking ahead of him which leads to a bunch of touchdowns.

 

[PadresLakers]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

The Chargers offensive line wasn't very good in 2004 and Cameron still put up 446 points(second in the league only to Indy that year). For that matter Cameron has a very good offensive track record with SD and the OL wasn't much better than average until last year.Brown isn't LT. Or Jim Brown. Or Emmitt. Or Payton. I don't think he has to perform like any of those guys to see a significant spike in production. Nobody expects him to drop in 30+ TD's because of Cameron. At least I don't.

2004 was also the year that Drew Brees made the Pro Bowl with 27 TDs and 7 INTs. If Miami can get that kind of production from whoever is throwing the ball for them next year, I would agree with you.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm not saying that Brown is going to be a top 5 back this year, but with a little more improvement from the O-Line & QB position and more commitment to the running game he could easily be a top 10 back in 2007.

Same goes for C.Taylor, A.Green, McGahee, E.James, C.Williams, Balt RB, Det RB, Car RB, Ten RB, Cle RB, Oak RB.........

IMO, there are a lot of RBs lately that have a decent shot at barely cracking the Top 10 or ranking in the bottom teens for RB rankings. For example, last year Ladell betts ranked 10th but there were 12 other RBs within 20 points of him. With more teams seemingly going to a RBBC approach, this year there may again be a bunch of players almost interchangable in the 10-20 ranking range.

 

[Gr00vus]

Yes Cam will help Brown.

The offensive line should continue improving, Cameron knows how to utilize a running back in all phases of the offense, but most importantly Mularky isn't calling plays anymore. That in itself is a huge improvement in Brown's situation.

 

[BoltBacker]

Sounds like nothing more than wishful thinking to meRonnie Brown isnt LT by any stretch of the imagination and the Chargers offensive line is much better than the Miami Offensive line

The Chargers offensive line wasn't very good in 2004 and Cameron still put up 446 points(second in the league only to Indy that year). For that matter Cameron has a very good offensive track record with SD and the OL wasn't much better than average until last year.Brown isn't LT. Or Jim Brown. Or Emmitt. Or Payton. I don't think he has to perform like any of those guys to see a significant spike in production. Nobody expects him to drop in 30+ TD's because of Cameron. At least I don't.

2004 was also the year that Drew Brees made the Pro Bowl with 27 TDs and 7 INTs. If Miami can get that kind of production from whoever is throwing the ball for them next year, I would agree with you.

Before 2004 nobody thought Drew Brees was capable of that type of production either.

 

[Iron_Far]

Cameron or no Cameron, Brown owners will rejoice simply at the "loss" of Mularkey.

That was probably Saban's biggest mistake.

 

[TankRizzo]

Cameron or no Cameron, Brown owners will rejoice simply at the "loss" of Mularkey.That was probably Saban's biggest mistake.

Amen to that! Mularkey was a horrible playcaller. A power back is wasted on him.