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Can Jason Campbell ever improve? (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter mr roboto
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He has been in so many systems that he can pick up a new one pretty quickly. However he won't ever master a system. And his deep ball sucks.I've always thought that people have been overly critical of Campbell. Is he ever going to be an elite QB? No. But for two years in a row, he was within 10-15 points of being a low-end QB1, which is impressive considering where he usually got drafted and given the situations he was in (new OC's, questionable supporting cast and their ability to stay healthy). He can be very erratic and certainly started last year on a bad note, but the Raiders were way too fast to pull him. He put together a run of great games at the end of last season and hopefully can build on that going into this season. I think it all depends on expectations -- if you're looking for a guy who can end the season as a Top 5 qb, he's not your man, but if you want someone you can grab very late who has the ability to far outperform his draft position and end up as a reliable every-week starter, he's a very intriguing option.
Raiderfan32904
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Fact: This is Jason Campbell's first season in nine seasons going back to high school that he's been in the same offensive system 2 yrs in a row. Al Saunders as OC brings his impressive playbook with him, and with explosive receivers Jacoby Ford, Denarius Moore, and the best ground game in football, Campbell is a sleeper. He has no competition, and it's truly his team.
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netnalp
Footballguy
Been saying that for years, his deep ball lacks enough arc to let the WR get under it. That's something that should be corrected with coaching and is a basic part of the QB arsenal. It should have been fixed regardless of having new coaches.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Old thread (I don't care, I like it...):
Consider what Hoyer did earlier. Is it possible, just possible that Cleveland's offensive talent has been pretty decent all along and maybe a QB can actually do well?
What the heck was that from Campbell today, it was totally unexpected.
But if you can complete the damn ball to Gordon and Cameron you have a shot a putting up decent FF numbers and maybe even win a few games for the Browns. Again, see Hoyer.
And Campbell, he's been through the ringer - can he actually improve or be improved enough to do this week after week?
Consider what Hoyer did earlier. Is it possible, just possible that Cleveland's offensive talent has been pretty decent all along and maybe a QB can actually do well?
What the heck was that from Campbell today, it was totally unexpected.
But if you can complete the damn ball to Gordon and Cameron you have a shot a putting up decent FF numbers and maybe even win a few games for the Browns. Again, see Hoyer.
And Campbell, he's been through the ringer - can he actually improve or be improved enough to do this week after week?
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Two straight good games from Campbell now.
Norv offense, Cameron short and Gordon long.
Norv offense, Cameron short and Gordon long.
Chaka
Footballguy
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
A: Yes, yes he can.
Campbell has had three excellent games vs KC, BAL & NE, one poor one vs CIN that in my opinion was affected by weather, and one unfinished vs PIT.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I don't blame anyone who was/is dismissive of Browns QB Jason Cambell.
Having said that, Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot stated a month ago, after Jason strung two solid games together, that Jason Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback and even die-hard Browns fans rolled their eyes at that statement.
Right after she said that Jason Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback he subsequently injured his ribs right before the BYE week and in the very next game he laid an egg against Cincinnati on the road in adverse weather condition. in the next game against Pittsburgh he got a concussion and was knocked out of that game.
That seemed to earase any talk of Jason Cambell being anything close to an 'elite' quarterback.
After resting and recuperating from both injuries he had probably the best game of his career against New England on the road where he nearly threw for 400 yards (391) with 3 TDs and 0 Interceptions. Impressive game for any NFL QB.
Mary Kay's comments were pushed aside when she first stated Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback but after the New England game she came back to say that in the three games where Jason Cambell was HEALTHY he has had a quarterback passer rating of at least 105.
In the three games Jason Cambell has been healthy he's throw for:
- 941 yards
- 8 TDs
- 0 Interceptions
And he didn't post those numbers against chumps. He posted those numbers against:
- Kansas City in KC
- Baltimore
- New England in NE
No Browns fans are not calling Jason Cambell an 'elite' quarterback but we have seen this guy making impressive throws, getting the ball out quickly, even taking off and running for first downs. When this guy has been healthy he has posted solid NFL starting numbers.
Jason Cambell has definitely improved from August of 2011 when this thread was started.
If he's out on your wire and you need a QB, you'd better grab him before someone else does.
Having said that, Browns beat writer Mary Kay Cabot stated a month ago, after Jason strung two solid games together, that Jason Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback and even die-hard Browns fans rolled their eyes at that statement.
Right after she said that Jason Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback he subsequently injured his ribs right before the BYE week and in the very next game he laid an egg against Cincinnati on the road in adverse weather condition. in the next game against Pittsburgh he got a concussion and was knocked out of that game.
That seemed to earase any talk of Jason Cambell being anything close to an 'elite' quarterback.
After resting and recuperating from both injuries he had probably the best game of his career against New England on the road where he nearly threw for 400 yards (391) with 3 TDs and 0 Interceptions. Impressive game for any NFL QB.
Mary Kay's comments were pushed aside when she first stated Cambell was an 'elite' quarterback but after the New England game she came back to say that in the three games where Jason Cambell was HEALTHY he has had a quarterback passer rating of at least 105.
In the three games Jason Cambell has been healthy he's throw for:
- 941 yards
- 8 TDs
- 0 Interceptions
And he didn't post those numbers against chumps. He posted those numbers against:
- Kansas City in KC
- Baltimore
- New England in NE
No Browns fans are not calling Jason Cambell an 'elite' quarterback but we have seen this guy making impressive throws, getting the ball out quickly, even taking off and running for first downs. When this guy has been healthy he has posted solid NFL starting numbers.
Jason Cambell has definitely improved from August of 2011 when this thread was started.
If he's out on your wire and you need a QB, you'd better grab him before someone else does.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm seriously considering starting him over Wilson this week.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
I own Russell Wilson so I have a bit of an insight on that call.
Wilson played SF on the road. The lowest fantasy points Wilson posted this year was against SF early in the season so the low fantasy production he had last week wasn't too suprisiing.
Cambell has WR Josh Gordon who can and has gone-off for long TDs the last three weeks in a row and Cambell has developed a chemistry with TE Jordan Cameron so I like him, A LOT this Sunday at home against the Bears but Wilson provides valuable rushing yards and the potential for a rushing TD which gives more fantasy points in most fantasy leagues.
The downside of Cambell is that he has gotten injured so with the bonus of running yards from Wilson and with Cambell's recent injury history and the fact that Wilson's low fantasy production last week came against SF on the road and likely won't be repeated this week against the Giants.
I like Cambell but I'd lean towards Russell Wilson myself but its your call.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Good breakdown.
As far as the injury concerns, we play team QB so that lessens the sting a bit in our cases. Only thing that concerns me with Wilson is Seattles solid defense & running game maybe makes it less nessesary for him to throw a lot compared to Cleveland.
tonyftony716
Footballguy
Good post. I have penciled him into my starting lineup as a replacement of RGIII over Flacco and Fitzpatrick. I see the Bears pass D is middle of the pack but it is, in my opinion, only because their run defense is so horrible. Cleveland can't run to the level that most teams can facing the Bears. Therefore, I expect Campbell to have plenty of passing opportunities which should equal out to a solid game.
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Smile.
Couldn't agree more with your point.
Da Bears run defense is atrocious. They have a string of giving up 100 yard rushers in the past four/five games???
Cleveland lacks a viable running back to continue that streak and last Sunday against New England Browns RB Willis McGahee got absolutely ROCKED and although I haven't checked the injury list, it wouldn't shock me if he's in the concussion protocal so I don't expect to see him at full-strength against Chicago.
It should be pointed out that New England not only lost their starting Pro Bowl NT Vince Wilfork but they also lost their back-up NT so the middle of New England's defense is soft against the run and the Browns tried to exploit that weakness but really couldn't. They certainly tried but couldn't muster much of a rushing attack. The most effective runner was Josh Gordon who had one 34 yard reverse and Cambell had a few effective scrambles but the Browns simply could not line up in formation and run, even on a weak run defense like New England so I don't expect they'll be able to run on Chicago.
You are absolutely correct. Chicago's poor run defense makes their pass defense look good comparitively and the Browns don't have the sort of RB to take advantage of Chicago's shoddy run defense so Norv Turner and Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron and Jason Cambell will be called on to move the ball.
