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Can Tatum Bell Be the #1RB in football The rest of the year (1 Viewer)

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I was doing some research regarding some trade possibilities and saw that Tatum has probably the easiest schedule for the rest of the season.

Here are some of the top backs schedules.

Tm W1 W2 W3 W4 W5 W6 W7 W8 W9 W10 W11 W12 W13 W14 W15 W16 W17

Cin 14.5 21.3 13.7 13.9 - 17.4 17.9 10.3 9.0 6.5 12.9 21.3 9.0 22.0 23.9 14.8 13.7 2 easy 5 dif

Den 21.3 14.5 13.9 - 9.0 22.0 21.3 23.9 13.7 22.0 6.5 14.5 13.7 6.5 22.6 24.8 23.5 6 easy 3 dif

KC 24.8 14.8 - 23.5 22.6 13.7 6.5 13.7 21.3 11.1 22.0 14.8 21.3 9.0 6.5 22.0 11.6 3 easy 5 dif

Mia 13.7 18.9 24.0 28.5 13.9 23.1 19.6 - 11.1 14.5 13.7 17.2 11.6 13.9 18.9 23.1 23.9 2easy 2 dif

SD 22.0 24.0 - 9.0 13.7 23.5 14.5 21.3 21.3 24.8 14.8 22.0 18.9 14.8 14.5 13.7 22.6 2 easy 2 dif

SF 22.6 21.3 14.7 14.5 22.0 6.5 - 11.1 13.7 17.2 13.7 21.3 12.9 19.6 13.7 22.6 14.8 1 easy 5 dif

Sea 17.2 22.6 15.0 11.1 - 21.3 13.7 14.5 22.0 21.3 23.5 19.6 14.8 22.6 23.5 6.5 17 3 easy 1 dif

Was 13.7 14.9 28.5 11.6 15.0 24.0 23.9 - 14.9 14.7 17.4 17.9 10.3 14.7 12.9 21.3 15.0 2 easy 2 dif

Based on the way Tatum ran last night against on of the toughest defenses on a night that his qb did little to take the pressure off of the run game, I think he has the potential to be the #1 rb for the remainder of the season. This is the only game I saw of him this year. He ran tough against Baltimore. Shannahan seems to have really settled in on Tatum as his #1 guy.

Just Curious what everyone else thinks.

 
No. 1 no.

Top 15 absolutely barring injury.

Top 10 very possible.

Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.

 
Bernard Berrian is the #1 fantasy WR right now. i'd say the point of being able to say something is impossible is long gone.

 
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
I'm looking at this from a perspective of from now until the end of the season. After the start he had splitting carries I don't see how he could be #1 overall either.
 
He won't get into the endzone enough to challenge for the top spot.

If he holds onto the job, I could see him top ten, though.

 
Yes. I'm trying to acquire him in all my money leagues.

I don't think he makes it to #1, but with the underproduction of the top RB's, there is a great chance for top 5 numbers.

 
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
I'm looking at this from a perspective of from now until the end of the season. After the start he had splitting carries I don't see how he could be #1 overall either.
Even if we're talking from Week 6 on I think it will be tough for him to finish No. 1. As mentioned earlier he isn't a big enough part of the passing game which means he needs to have a significant spike in his TD output to get to the No. 1 level. While his TDs are obviously going to increase (unless one believes he'll be stuck on 0 the entire year) I don't know if he can rack up the necessary amount that would be needed to offset his lack of production in the passing game.
 
He doesn't catch the ball or score often enough to be no1.But I see no reason why he can't be top 10 from here on out.
If he's the # 1 guy, he should have a lot of scoring coming his way. Denver is a team that historically scores a lot of rushing TDs. Last year, for example, Bell and Andersen combined for 20 rushing TDs. This year the team only has 1. Denver is also one of the typically higher scoring offenses. This year they are in the bottom.I think the above are anomolies that corrent themselves over the remainder of the season. Look for Denver's scoring to pick up and TB to get a chance to punch in his fair share. I would have to think that from here forward, his TD prospects are as good as anyone elses in the league with the only arguable exceptions being the big 3, of course.Top 5 looks very doable.
 
Is tatum for sure the GL back? Just curious.
He's the guy everywhere on the field. The only times Mike Bell has seen the field the last two games have been when Tatum took himself out for a breather. The running game in Denver is all about Tatum Bell.
 
einstein2u said:
Deranged Hermit said:
He's starting for me for the first time this week over Edge. He should roll over Oakland this week.
i just traded edge for tbell..... :bag:
I can't give away Edge right now. He's actually in the top 10 in my PPR league but he may as well have the plague.Anyway, I have Westbrook, Bell, Edge as my RB's, Bell's first action is this week.
 
packersfan said:
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packersfan said:
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
I'm looking at this from a perspective of from now until the end of the season. After the start he had splitting carries I don't see how he could be #1 overall either.
Even if we're talking from Week 6 on I think it will be tough for him to finish No. 1. As mentioned earlier he isn't a big enough part of the passing game which means he needs to have a significant spike in his TD output to get to the No. 1 level. While his TDs are obviously going to increase (unless one believes he'll be stuck on 0 the entire year) I don't know if he can rack up the necessary amount that would be needed to offset his lack of production in the passing game.
I think he will make up for the lack of passing yardage in rush yardage. I also think that he will not only get the typical goalline td's,but with his big play ability I would guess that he is good for roughly 5 td's of the long variety(say 35-40+ yards) that most backs won't get.
 
packersfan said:
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packersfan said:
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
I'm looking at this from a perspective of from now until the end of the season. After the start he had splitting carries I don't see how he could be #1 overall either.
Even if we're talking from Week 6 on I think it will be tough for him to finish No. 1. As mentioned earlier he isn't a big enough part of the passing game which means he needs to have a significant spike in his TD output to get to the No. 1 level. While his TDs are obviously going to increase (unless one believes he'll be stuck on 0 the entire year) I don't know if he can rack up the necessary amount that would be needed to offset his lack of production in the passing game.
I think he will make up for the lack of passing yardage in rush yardage. I also think that he will not only get the typical goalline td's,but with his big play ability I would guess that he is good for roughly 5 td's of the long variety(say 35-40+ yards) that most backs won't get.
As a Bell owner I hope you're right. :) I'm not sure it will happen but it would be pretty sweet.
 
I am thinking 22ish carries a game rest of the way out @ about 4.7PC thats 1270 yards. wrap in 7 tds and thats a top tier RB rest of the year.

 
I think Bell is talented, but I've never seen him as the second coming like some have purported.

However, thre have been some indications that he could finish the season very strong.

* The fist thing is that he has started to get "tough" yards. Where he once juked and danced himself for a 1 - 2 yard loss, he now lowers his head and seems willing to grind out some positive yards no matter how minimal.

* Second he has been healthy for the most part despite the point I just mentioned which reuires that he take more of a pounding.

* Finally, and most importantly, Shannahan has given him the reins. How long will this last? I don't know, but last night against a very good defense (that is an understatement I know) Bell fumbles and still stays in the game as the primary ball carrier. He ends the night with nearly 100 yards and a very nice ypc average.

None of us can predict the future and to overhype this is foolish unless you are going to try and deal him right now, but I think there are some components in place to Tatum to put #1 RB numbers from here on out.

 
to be #1 overall, even top 5, he has to score TDs
It's this kind of thinking that has me hoping I can aquire Bell. God I hope others believe this.
I am not saying the TDs will not come but he will not be top 5 or #1 with a handful of TDs. I do think the best is still to come for T. Bell. And as a dynasty owner who has him in 3 leagues , I am excited about the rest of this year and next.
 
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If we are talking strictly from a FF perspective, I think top 5 is possible if your league provides a nice bonus for long a long TD run. That is where I believe Tatum is money in the bank. There was a great thread going around that listed the amount of long TD's he pulled in last year. If given more opportunities, I do not see why he won't see a bunch of those again.

Mike Bell - 7th round pick in my draft this year

T. Bell - 11th round pick in my draft this year.

I just love to see in print :)

 
He's my RB3 for the moment, looking to move him but not being eager about it, if I have to hold him I will. I get to keep any 3 players at the end of the year, so I have no need to move him yet. My other 2 RBs are Larry and Rudi Johnson, so now that byes are behind me for all of them, he's worth holding onto as insurance in case LJ or Rudi get hurt... no roster space at the moment for Perry or Bennett/Brown.

Plus, no one has made an offer for Tatum I find remotely acceptable. I could use a better QB but the best offer I've got so far is Tatum for Brad Johnson, also got Mushin Muhammad for Tatum straight up, even though I'm pretty good at WR already. Just put out a league-wide email saying I'd only take a 4th-round equivalent or better for TB, and no responses yet. This is the problem with guppies, they won't trade for someone drafted after the 4th round for someone drafted before it--they don't see he's risen in value as much as we all know he has.

 
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joffer said:
Bernard Berrian is the #1 fantasy WR right now. i'd say the point of being able to say something is impossible is long gone.
Pending your scoring system in PPRs #1 WR is actually Andre Johnson with 8/102/.5 per game vs 4/82/.8 for Berrian.
 
LJ, LT, Alexander, Rudi, Tiki and mabye C. Taylor and FWP are about the only guys I'd rather have in a non-PPR.
I'd prefer Portis and Gore as well.
I can see you preferring LJ,LT,Tiki,and Portis,in non ppr.They are proven producers with plenty of opportunity.I still like tatums schedule and opportunity though. I can see all of them plus gore and chester taylor in ppr. For the rest of this year no one has a schedule as soft as his. There is no way I'd take fast willie over tatum this year.I believe he loses all third down carries and Pitt doesn't seem on track with it's offense at all.Plus willie faces carolina and pitt weeks 15&16.BTW I don't have tatum on my roster yet,but I'm trying to get him.I think his value skyrockets over the next couple of games.
 
I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.

The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).

I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)

 
I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)
You can't be serious. He had the main role of those last drives. The Ravens were putting so many guys in the box and they still went to Tatum. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had to do that to stop Tatum. He was getting ~1 or 2 yards on those carries. So, when Shanny had them expecting yet ANOTHER RUN, he threw a flag route to RSmith.Excellent game plan by Shanny and he has complete trust in TBell - especially after that hard fought 3rd down run that completely sealed the game. Don't be fooled, last night was very very positive. :thumbup:
 
I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)
You can't be serious. He had the main role of those last drives. The Ravens were putting so many guys in the box and they still went to Tatum. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had to do that to stop Tatum. He was getting ~1 or 2 yards on those carries. So, when Shanny had them expecting yet ANOTHER RUN, he threw a flag route to RSmith.Excellent game plan by Shanny and he has complete trust in TBell - especially after that hard fought 3rd down run that completely sealed the game. Don't be fooled, last night was very very positive. :thumbup:
I disagree. On the last drive, Sapp had at least two carries and Kyle Johnson had at least one carry. The only good carry on the drive was Bell's carry on third down. He was the only effective runner they had, but Shanny was still giving the carries to other backs. Then, passing on 2nd down from the 4 yard line? Great! It works well for the Broncos, but for TBell to even be considered as potentially the top back from here on out, he would need to get those types of carries. With the lead late in the game, giving him another carry on 2nd down, and maybe third down to run time off the clock and/or force the Ravens to use their time outs isn't a bad plan. I don't think that LT, LJ, Alexander, Portis, or nearly any elite back would have been used the same way in a similar situation (assuming they were in the game, which Bell was).
 
I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)
You can't be serious. He had the main role of those last drives. The Ravens were putting so many guys in the box and they still went to Tatum. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had to do that to stop Tatum. He was getting ~1 or 2 yards on those carries. So, when Shanny had them expecting yet ANOTHER RUN, he threw a flag route to RSmith.Excellent game plan by Shanny and he has complete trust in TBell - especially after that hard fought 3rd down run that completely sealed the game. Don't be fooled, last night was very very positive. :thumbup:
I disagree. On the last drive, Sapp had at least two carries and Kyle Johnson had at least one carry. The only good carry on the drive was Bell's carry on third down. He was the only effective runner they had, but Shanny was still giving the carries to other backs. Then, passing on 2nd down from the 4 yard line? Great! It works well for the Broncos, but for TBell to even be considered as potentially the top back from here on out, he would need to get those types of carries. With the lead late in the game, giving him another carry on 2nd down, and maybe third down to run time off the clock and/or force the Ravens to use their time outs isn't a bad plan. I don't think that LT, LJ, Alexander, Portis, or nearly any elite back would have been used the same way in a similar situation (assuming they were in the game, which Bell was).
1-10-DEN45 (6:47) J.Plummer pass deep left to J.Walker to BLT 28 for 27 yards (S.Rolle; D.Landry). 1-10-BAL28 (6:05) C.Sapp up the middle to BLT 25 for 3 yards (H.Ngata; K.Gregg). 2-7-BAL25 (5:22) J.Plummer pass short right to J.Walker to BLT 17 for 8 yards (E.Reed). 1-10-BAL17 (4:37) K.Johnson up the middle to BLT 15 for 2 yards (H.Ngata). 2-8-BAL15 (3:55) J.Walker up the middle to BLT 17 for -2 yards (T.Pryce; R.Lewis). 3-10-BAL17 (3:13) T.Bell left guard to BLT 5 for 12 yards (R.Lewis). 1-5-BAL5 (2:26) T.Bell up the middle to BLT 4 for 1 yard (B.Scott). 2-4-BAL4 (2:00) J.Plummer pass short right to R.Smith for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. One carry for each of the fullbacks on the last drive against the #1 defense in the NFL is hardly reason to say Shany isn't totally confident in Tatum.Here's the last drive of San Diego's win over Pittsburgh:1-10-SD42 (5:58) P.Rivers sacked at SD 41 for -1 yards (B.Keisel). 2-11-SD41 (5:20) M.Turner up the middle to SD 43 for 2 yards (C.Hoke, J.Porter). 3-9-SD43 (4:36) (Shotgun) P.Rivers scrambles up the middle to PIT 42 for 15 yards (J.Farrior). 1-10-PIT42 (3:46) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 44 for -2 yards (J.Farrior). 2-12-PIT44 (3:41) P.Rivers pass short right to A.Gates to PIT 33 for 11 yards (I.Taylor). 3-1-PIT33 (3:31) M.Turner left tackle to PIT 30 for 3 yards (J.Porter). 1-10-PIT30 (2:47) M.Turner right tackle to PIT 7 for 23 yards (J.Porter). 1-7-PIT7 (2:37) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 5 for 2 yards (B.Keisel). 2-5-PIT5 (2:00) M.Turner up the middle to PIT 4 for 1 yard (J.Farrior). 3-4-PIT4 (1:52) L.Tomlinson left tackle to PIT 4 for no gain (J.Porter). 4-4-PIT4 (1:07) N.Kaeding 22 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-D.Binn, Holder-M.Scifres. Because L.T. only got 1 carry vs. Turner's 6 on the last drive, does that mean Marty isn't totally confident in L.T.?I don't think Tatum will be the #1 RB because he doesn't get as many catches and TD's like L.T., L.J, and some others. He has an outside shot if he starts getting a bunch of TD's, though.
 
Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.

He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.

 
Yeah - I have to say the argument that Shannie doesn't "trust" Tatum is well off the mark - and unfounded based on Tatum's late game carries this year.He may go other ways- like passes to the TE, Rod Smith or FB in the red zone - but not because of a lack of "trust" in TBell.
IMO, the biggest reason Denver doesn't score more TDs near the goal line is due to their lack of size and girth. They rely more on trickery. Shanny, like most WC lineage coaches, love the bootleg and the waggle plays. The old TE/FB drag.. stuff like that.It was apparent against the Ravens. They are a small, but effective and quick offensive line. That doesn't necessarily play well in bad weather against bigger/stronger front sevens. To Tatum's credit I thought he ran quite well -lost fumble aside.I hope for Bell's sake that Shanny does stick with him the rest of the way. I'd really like to see what he does with it. The Broncos offense is struggling badly. It's surreal. Add Javon Walker and they get worse? Like somebody else said in this thread, I think there is a lot of room for regression to the norm here. They'll bounce back. At some point, Jay Cutler is going to be a bear in this offense. Plummer seems almost spooked by his presence and his whole game has been way off this year.
 
I don't think so - I have him in my dynasty league and hope he will be, but I doubt it.The reason I don't think so was because of the last drive last night. He had a pretty good game besides the fumble, yet on the last scoring drive I think he had two carries, including a 10+ yarder. His team had the lead and was trying to run down the clock, yet they weren't giving him the ball. That tells me that Skeletor still isn't totally confident in him (also evidenced by not making him the starter during the preseason).I think he'll put up good numbers, but not great numbers. He doesn't score many TDs to begin with, so most of his value will come from yardage, and if Shanny isn't going to ride him into the ground in a home game against a 4-0 team, late in the game with a lead, in the rain, when will he? (And how's THAT for a sentence an English teacher would throw up over?)
You can't be serious. He had the main role of those last drives. The Ravens were putting so many guys in the box and they still went to Tatum. Yes, the Baltimore Ravens had to do that to stop Tatum. He was getting ~1 or 2 yards on those carries. So, when Shanny had them expecting yet ANOTHER RUN, he threw a flag route to RSmith.Excellent game plan by Shanny and he has complete trust in TBell - especially after that hard fought 3rd down run that completely sealed the game. Don't be fooled, last night was very very positive. :thumbup:
I disagree. On the last drive, Sapp had at least two carries and Kyle Johnson had at least one carry. The only good carry on the drive was Bell's carry on third down. He was the only effective runner they had, but Shanny was still giving the carries to other backs. Then, passing on 2nd down from the 4 yard line? Great! It works well for the Broncos, but for TBell to even be considered as potentially the top back from here on out, he would need to get those types of carries. With the lead late in the game, giving him another carry on 2nd down, and maybe third down to run time off the clock and/or force the Ravens to use their time outs isn't a bad plan. I don't think that LT, LJ, Alexander, Portis, or nearly any elite back would have been used the same way in a similar situation (assuming they were in the game, which Bell was).
Look back to the sandiego baltimore game.Roughly 5 minutes to go in the game,sandiego backed up inside the 10 and they are trying to run out the clock.Michael turner is the rb.The coaches will always do what they think will win the game.Turner is a better straight ahead runner than Lt right now.You can't say he isn't a top back.Running tatum into a pile of 8-9 ravens would not have been a good call.
 
I think you are expecting too much from him. He is a very good back and should be top 10 material, but he is not the superstud type to be the #1 back.

 
I like tatum bell a lot the rest of the way, but #1 seems to be a bit steep. And everyone is saying the offense should get much better. Remember, Gary Kubiak (spelling?) is not on the broncos anymore.

 
Reagan said:
packersfan said:
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
Curious to know what people think Tatum's trade value is at this point....assuming I'm trying to acquire him?
just traded edge for him
 
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Reagan said:
packersfan said:
No. 1 no.Top 15 absolutely barring injury.Top 10 very possible.Top 5 maybe but he'll have to really pile up the touchdowns the rest of the way to finish there.
Curious to know what people think Tatum's trade value is at this point....assuming I'm trying to acquire him?
just traded edge for him
One team in my league is seeking Gore. I need QB and the guy has Palmer, Grossman, Brees. He's talking Brees and Tatum in a package for Gore and possibly a WR. I have Fitz, CJ, A. Bryant, Driver at WR and LT, Gore, Maroney, T. Jones, M. Turner at RB.I'm ready to trade Fitz, but don't want to part w/ Gore. Until past 2 weeks, was ready to trade T. Jones. I might try to make a play for Tatum and Grossman....
 
Yes. I'm trying to acquire him in all my money leagues. I don't think he makes it to #1, but with the underproduction of the top RB's, there is a great chance for top 5 numbers.
I'd like to acquire him too. What value are you finding?
I've proposed a trade where I give Ronnie Brown and Doug Gabriel and get Tatum and Reggie Williams. No reply yet. I can't give a clear estimate of his value because I have not seen him traded in any of my leagues.
 

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