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Can they fire Childress now....... (1 Viewer)
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mr. furley
Footballguy
promoting Bevell is the shark move
Mario Kart
Footballguy
This team would have won a Superbowl with Favre behind center.
PizzaDeliveryGuy
extra sausage
massraider
Footballguy
Not sure I'd throw the baby (Tarvaris) out with the bathwater (Chilly).
Not a Tarvaris guy, by any means, but he looks like he's got some skill.
Not a Tarvaris guy, by any means, but he looks like he's got some skill.
texasyankee
Footballguy
I think he showed that he is done
texasyankee
Footballguy
Bring in ShanahanPlease
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Can't say I like Childress at all but you can't argue too much with 6, 8, and then 10 wins in a coach's first three years.
and yet it still feels like they underperformed in every single one of those seasons.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
As a Lion fan I would give my left nut for that record. Plus doing it with garbage QBs.
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gianmarco
Footballguy
I think you can argue that when you have the #1 rush defense and the top NFL rusher on the team in addition to quality pieces like Chester, Berrian, and even Shiancoe. The poor coaching in certain aspects of the game as well as the atrocious play-calling are readily apparent.
mr. furley
Footballguy
they look disorganized. don't appear to have much confidence in pressure situtations and Childress looks lost a lot.they need better leadership. maybe that's a veteran QB, maybe that's a new coach.in the last 3 seasons i can't recall a 'signature' win where you thought they might gain some real momentum from it. they always seem to struggle in every game. they have arguably the league's best RB (with a backup that could start for half the league) and a vicious defense. Baltimore has parlayed that in to a lot of success in the last decade. so has Pittsburgh, etc.there's something missing with Childress where he can't get them to fulfill their potential.they beat 3 teams with .500 or better records this year. one of those was vs. the Giants backups last week.
Balco
Footballguy
The Vikings defense is more than good enough to be a Super Bowl contender. But the offense does them no favors. The Qb position is a huge problem that will surely be addressed in the offseason. I would think making a run at Kurt Warner would be a great move, but that leads me to the Vikes # 2 problem - their mediocre offensive line. Warner needs some time to throw, and it doesn't look like the Vikes line can give him that time. I saw Matt Birk several times get beat on a simple swim move by a defensive tackle. McKinnie looks lazy, and their right side is better suited as run blockers. Hutchinson is a rock, though. They need to address O Line and Qb (and there will be several veteran qbs available), and they will be right in the thick of it in the NFC.
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
The team has perhaps the best runner in football, the best running tandem in football, a good defense and capable receivers. They shouldn't struggle in week 17 against Giants' backups to make the playoffs.
Teams normally have very short windows. Minnesota is wasting theirs.
Teams normally have very short windows. Minnesota is wasting theirs.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Childress is absolutely horrible. He has no game-management skills whatsoever. Look at the end of the first half. Philly only has one timeout. Vikings have ball deep in own end with just over a minute. They run a give-up play on first down and let the play clock run all the way down. Then they throw a short pass on second down and it's incomplete and clock stops. So then they run another give-up play on third and Philly calls timeout and gets ball back and almost scores. It didn't end up costing them in this case, but only because of Greenway's great tackle to keep Westbrook in bounds. And Childress does something like this EVERY SINGLE GAME. He is terrible and has no business being a head coach.
texasyankee
Footballguy
Childress as always been horrible at gameplanning as well as in-game adjustments
Not to mention his horrible clock management
Not to mention his horrible clock management
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
And everyone in this town hates Childress. No stadium will get built with him here. They couldn't even sell out a playoff game, for ***** sake!
Balco
Footballguy
A qb would make a world of difference. They don't need one who can put the team on his back, they have a tremendous running game and a sound defense. They just need one who can make the right reads and hit open receivers. I am not sure of Matt Hasselback's contract status, but he would make sense, as would Kurt Warner and Jeff Garcia.That defensive front 7 is awesome, and they can win with the receivers they have. They need a qb.
ScottyFargo
Footballguy
The Vikings have a good chance next season against a weaker schedule than they faced this year.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
To do what? Lose in the first round again? Great.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
That's a little bit over the top.Thats not a baby floating in the bath, its a turd.No team will ever win a super bowl with tavaris as its starting qb. I love watching his presnap shotgun reads... he stares at his centers ### for 20 seconds!
Chachi
Footballguy
If you want to fire someone for todays loss then fire the O-line and the O-line coach, How exactly does Philly have 6 guys in Tavaris face before he finishes his 3rd step? I am by no means saying Tavaris is great but honestly I think he did as well as anyone would with the constant pressure.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I agree
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
That's stacking the deck, though. You can argue that when you have a terrible pass defense, terrible QBs and bad WRs for most of the three years, being .500 over that span is incredible.I think you can argue that when you have the #1 rush defense and the top NFL rusher on the team in addition to quality pieces like Chester, Berrian, and even Shiancoe. The poor coaching in certain aspects of the game as well as the atrocious play-calling are readily apparent.
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Spoken like a true Packer fan...
bcr8f
Footballguy
We'd like to thank them for signing him before we had a chance.Spoken like a true Packer fan...
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This team has a lot more holes than most fans are willing to admit.
1. QB - Obvious. Tarvaris isn't the guy and never will be. He has some skill but zero presence.
2. HC/OC - There's no scheme there at all and they never make an adjustment.
3. RT - Ryan Cook is the other 2nd round pick that busted from that draft.
4. WRs - The position gave them nothing all year. There's two routes the offense runs: a) Bobby Wade 5-8 yard seam route and b) the Berrian fly.
5. The #2 & #3 CBs. Griffin is up and down every week and the nickle position is worse.
6. Left side DE and the age of Pat Williams. The d-line could see a decline next year.
1. QB - Obvious. Tarvaris isn't the guy and never will be. He has some skill but zero presence.
2. HC/OC - There's no scheme there at all and they never make an adjustment.
3. RT - Ryan Cook is the other 2nd round pick that busted from that draft.
4. WRs - The position gave them nothing all year. There's two routes the offense runs: a) Bobby Wade 5-8 yard seam route and b) the Berrian fly.
5. The #2 & #3 CBs. Griffin is up and down every week and the nickle position is worse.
6. Left side DE and the age of Pat Williams. The d-line could see a decline next year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Chase,Today in the 1st half there is about 1:00 on the clock, Vikes had just intercepted and looked to be ready to go to the locker room down only 2. They run on 1st down pick up nothing. They then throw the ball on 2nd down and it is incomplete-little pass out in the flat that was going nowhere even if it were caught, stops the clock, then they run on 3rd down and Philly calls timeout thus giving them another crack at the ball. If Childress was going into the locker anyways, then why not run 3 straight time so Philly has no timeouts left and the half ends. Instead they punt and PHilly had the ball and about 30 seconds left...they didn't score but its a microcosm of what the VIkes have done all season. They ahve a strong defense, great ground game, they have to upgrade at QB and the problem is there is nobody out there to grab.That's stacking the deck, though. You can argue that when you have a terrible pass defense, terrible QBs and bad WRs for most of the three years, being .500 over that span is incredible.
Stinger Ray
Footballguy
So you can't argue too much about 24 wins in that period but Mangini gets fired for 23(and you have been very critical of Mangini).
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
A rookie QB isn't going to help them next year and possibly not the year after.The problem is, there's no veteran QBs that are going to be an available upgrade either. They're stuck.(Which, incidentally, is the reason I think the Lions should take Bradford/Stafford with their #1.)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's more due to an addition of talent than it is coaching.Mike Tice essentially won 9 games with the same squad that Chili won 6 with.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
I think somebody mentioned this already!Chase,Today in the 1st half there is about 1:00 on the clock, Vikes had just intercepted and looked to be ready to go to the locker room down only 2. They run on 1st down pick up nothing. They then throw the ball on 2nd down and it is incomplete-little pass out in the flat that was going nowhere even if it were caught, stops the clock, then they run on 3rd down and Philly calls timeout thus giving them another crack at the ball. If Childress was going into the locker anyways, then why not run 3 straight time so Philly has no timeouts left and the half ends. Instead they punt and PHilly had the ball and about 30 seconds left...they didn't score but its a microcosm of what the VIkes have done all season. They ahve a strong defense, great ground game, they have to upgrade at QB and the problem is there is nobody out there to grab.That's stacking the deck, though. You can argue that when you have a terrible pass defense, terrible QBs and bad WRs for most of the three years, being .500 over that span is incredible.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Look at that list Andy...you fix #1 and suddenly #2, #3, and #4 are fixed, or are less of factor. 5 and 6 are nice to work on but especially number 6...the Vikes have just about the best front 4 in football...OK front 3+whatever at LDE.This team has a lot more holes than most fans are willing to admit.
1. QB - Obvious. Tarvaris isn't the guy and never will be. He has some skill but zero presence.
2. HC/OC - There's no scheme there at all and they never make an adjustment.
3. RT - Ryan Cook is the other 2nd round pick that busted from that draft.
4. WRs - The position gave them nothing all year. There's two routes the offense runs: a) Bobby Wade 5-8 yard seam route and b) the Berrian fly.
5. The #2 & #3 CBs. Griffin is up and down every week and the nickle position is worse.
6. Left side DE and the age of Pat Williams. The d-line could see a decline next year.
Hov34
Eephus's Great Great Great Love Child
If they fired Childress would he ever be a head coach again?I didn't think so. Fire Childress now!!!!
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Possibly. But I'm not sure that Childress would unshackle a better QB either.The thing that concerns me the as much as QB are the WRs. It just never seemed like they worked to get open and give the QB spot a chance.Look at that list Andy...you fix #1 and suddenly #2, #3, and #4 are fixed, or are less of factor. 5 and 6 are nice to work on but especially number 6...the Vikes have just about the best front 4 in football...OK front 3+whatever at LDE.This team has a lot more holes than most fans are willing to admit.
1. QB - Obvious. Tarvaris isn't the guy and never will be. He has some skill but zero presence.
2. HC/OC - There's no scheme there at all and they never make an adjustment.
3. RT - Ryan Cook is the other 2nd round pick that busted from that draft.
4. WRs - The position gave them nothing all year. There's two routes the offense runs: a) Bobby Wade 5-8 yard seam route and b) the Berrian fly.
5. The #2 & #3 CBs. Griffin is up and down every week and the nickle position is worse.
6. Left side DE and the age of Pat Williams. The d-line could see a decline next year.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Jeff Garcia, Chad Penny, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger, any of these guys who are not thought of as top10, some even top20 guys, but any of them are better than TJAX/Frrrrerrrotte. I have to see just an average NFL QB under center there in Minnesota before I would start picking apart anything else. If BC doesn't come out and address the position, or at least acknowledge they must upgrade at QB...then Minnesota might have some major problems. I think they are close to competing for the big one, but they need a big upgrade at QB, maybe a different head coach.Possibly. But I'm not sure that Childress would unshackle a better QB either.The thing that concerns me the as much as QB are the WRs. It just never seemed like they worked to get open and give the QB spot a chance.Look at that list Andy...you fix #1 and suddenly #2, #3, and #4 are fixed, or are less of factor. 5 and 6 are nice to work on but especially number 6...the Vikes have just about the best front 4 in football...OK front 3+whatever at LDE.This team has a lot more holes than most fans are willing to admit.
1. QB - Obvious. Tarvaris isn't the guy and never will be. He has some skill but zero presence.
2. HC/OC - There's no scheme there at all and they never make an adjustment.
3. RT - Ryan Cook is the other 2nd round pick that busted from that draft.
4. WRs - The position gave them nothing all year. There's two routes the offense runs: a) Bobby Wade 5-8 yard seam route and b) the Berrian fly.
5. The #2 & #3 CBs. Griffin is up and down every week and the nickle position is worse.
6. Left side DE and the age of Pat Williams. The d-line could see a decline next year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Oh, you're right there. I'd take any of those guys as an upgrade. My point is that while QB is the most important fix, it's not the ONLY fix that will put the team over the top. But QB is the #1 most important thing, for sure.
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
BTW, what was Gus' record as a starter this year?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Gus's tank was empty by the time Jackson took over. He wouldn't have made any difference.
If you wanna do away with Childress, by all means.
But, let's be fair to Jackson, please!
The kid was drafted late 2nd, and I don't think anyone was thinking he was Mr. Face of the Franchise. Everyone knew he was a project passer coming in. Two years, and then at the start of the 3rd they yank him.
What's more interesting, in 9 games he was allowed to play, he had a passer rating of 95.8, averaged 7 yards an attempted and threw for 9 TDS, only 2 INTs.
He may never be Peyton Manning, or even Matt Hassselback, but DAMN, let's give him a chance, eh?
And, nope, don't own him in fantasy leagues, hell he didn't get a chance to get points.
But, let's be fair to Jackson, please!
The kid was drafted late 2nd, and I don't think anyone was thinking he was Mr. Face of the Franchise. Everyone knew he was a project passer coming in. Two years, and then at the start of the 3rd they yank him.
What's more interesting, in 9 games he was allowed to play, he had a passer rating of 95.8, averaged 7 yards an attempted and threw for 9 TDS, only 2 INTs.
He may never be Peyton Manning, or even Matt Hassselback, but DAMN, let's give him a chance, eh?
And, nope, don't own him in fantasy leagues, hell he didn't get a chance to get points.
Jeff Tefertiller
Footballguy
maybe so. My point is/was that only a short few of QBs this year had a better record as a starter in 2009 than did Gus. Would it have been enough today? Probably not, but I think he gave the Vikes a better shot.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Pick up Micheal Vick for cheap and Wild cat away.
As a Packer fan, I hate saying it but the Vikings problem comes from the coach. Teams can get it done with average to slightly above average QBs. The Falcons and Ravens were able to get to the playoffs with rookie QBs and the Ravens advanced with poor QB play today. If the Vikings want to continue being contenders, they need to focus on improving the defense and strengthen the running game. They have the best RB in the league! Opposing teams should be worried, going into a game, knowing that the best they might be able to do is limit Peterson to merely a "good" game but even if they do that they'll get eaten up by the Vikings defense.
But no...keep Chilly and draft Stafford or another QB. It'll be better that way for the rest of the NFC North.
But no...keep Chilly and draft Stafford or another QB. It'll be better that way for the rest of the NFC North.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Personally, I think the Vikings are one of the more talented teams in the league, but they never look that way. Poor coaching has killed this team, imo. As a Bears fan, I'm all for keeping Childress and continuing to waste their talent.
