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Cardinals make no pre-draft visits (1 Viewer)

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Cardinals | No pre-draft visits planned

Sat, 15 Apr 2006 07:15:52 -0700

Kent Somers, of the Arizona Republic, reports unlike many other NFL teams, the Arizona Cardinals have no plans to bring prospective draft choices in for visits before the draft. They stopped that practice a few years ago. "We make a real strong effort to get as much done, as much as we need to during the spring and in Indianapolis," vice president of football operations Rod Graves said, referring to the NFL Combine.

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I'm thinking that this could be a good idea b/c it means you're relying more on the years of gametape and performance that you have on a player, rather than a workout conducted after weeks of training specifically for workouts.

 
Knowing it's the Cardinals, I'm guessing it's because thay are too cheap to pay for the plane tickets. Why wouldn't you want to meet somebody you are about to give multi-millions of dollars to. Workout or not, I would at least want to meet them face to face.

 
The awesome stadium they just built and the big $ they paid Edge ...all that and you're still calling them cheap?

 
The awesome stadium they just built and the big $ they paid Edge ...all that and you're still calling them cheap?
It happened, Bri.Keep in mind, Bill Bidwell still owns the team.

 
Knowing it's the Cardinals, I'm guessing it's because thay are too cheap to pay for the plane tickets. Why wouldn't you want to meet somebody you are about to give multi-millions of dollars to. Workout or not, I would at least want to meet them face to face.
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The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick. Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question. The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little. All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it. Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players? I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless. We'll continue to see how it works out.

 
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The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick. Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question. The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little. All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it. Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players? I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless. We'll continue to see how it works out.
I understand the cheap argument/sentiments behind it. I don't think it's at all fair to call Denny Green clueless.
 
From the brief blurb, it appears that the Cardinals do meet the players, just that they do it earlier, not in the weeks leading up to the draft.

 
The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick.  Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question.  The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little.  All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it.  Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players?  I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless.  We'll continue to see how it works out.
I understand the cheap argument/sentiments behind it. I don't think it's at all fair to call Denny Green clueless.
FYI- Denny Green used a 1st round draft pick on Demetrius Underwood without even consulting Underwood's MSU coaching staff.
 
The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick.  Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question.  The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little.  All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it.  Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players?  I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless.  We'll continue to see how it works out.
I understand the cheap argument/sentiments behind it. I don't think it's at all fair to call Denny Green clueless.
With all due respect Bri...Denny Green has never won a Superbowl nor come all that close. He doesnt have a blueprint for championship success. Losing the NFC title game by a missed FG sucks, and that was pretty close, but there's something missing here with an unwillingness to bring a handful of players in for personal visits. I didnt really pinpoint that Green was clueless....but certainly someone somewhere in this organization has been in dire need of clue for a long, long time. It does seem to be turning around a bit, and Im hopeful that will continue.
 
Maybe they just send a scout out on a Greyhound, peeping in on all of the other visits that these players have.

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The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick.  Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question.  The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little.  All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it.  Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players?  I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless.  We'll continue to see how it works out.
I understand the cheap argument/sentiments behind it. I don't think it's at all fair to call Denny Green clueless.
With all due respect Bri...Denny Green has never won a Superbowl nor come all that close. He doesnt have a blueprint for championship success. Losing the NFC title game by a missed FG sucks, and that was pretty close, but there's something missing here with an unwillingness to bring a handful of players in for personal visits. I didnt really pinpoint that Green was clueless....but certainly someone somewhere in this organization has been in dire need of clue for a long, long time. It does seem to be turning around a bit, and Im hopeful that will continue.
You contradicted yourself with the not close to a Supe making the championship game stuff so let's roll over that in this debate. I think you're missing a keypoint here so let me just suggest you take a look at how many probowlers he had on his offense in Minny, what percentage of winning seasons he had, and where his Os ranked. I think once you look at that it'll make you :eek: esp the # of probowlers. Teams do meet one on one with prospects at the combine. They also do at their pro days. If Dennis Green feels they don't need to chat a 3rd time and maybe break down more tape or something else, he should have the benefit of the doubt from Cards fans.

If not, well he got 4700 yards out of your QBs and Neil Lomax wasn't throwing ;)

Also, NFL scouts work year round not in the spring like when the draft is coverred. I wouldn't doubt an experienced scouting dept has a good idea whom they're targetting in January and the rest is just to reaffirm their beliefs and make sure no one "slipped thru the cracks."

 
The Cardinals are NOT the measuring stick.  Nothing they have done to this point has helped them WIN, so everything they do along these lines has to be brought into question.  The NFL allows up to something like 30 player visits, so they obviously realize how important it can be for the team to get to know future prospects a little.  All good teams.....forget about it....ALL TEAMS period do it.  Is Arizona doing something revolutionary by not finding out a little more about players?  I think theyre just being themselves.....clueless.  We'll continue to see how it works out.
I understand the cheap argument/sentiments behind it. I don't think it's at all fair to call Denny Green clueless.
FYI- Denny Green used a 1st round draft pick on Demetrius Underwood without even consulting Underwood's MSU coaching staff.
He also picked Randy Moss and how many teams passed on that troublesome prospect?Demetrius was a phenomenal talent and spending quite a bit of time with a priest on his mother's advice. When you think of troublemaker types, ya gotta figure mother getting involved and him regularly meeting with a priest is a guy trying to better himself. Well I do. It didn't work out, neither did Leaf or Mandarich or Shuler or Blair Thomas or...so what, he's coached long enough that was probably bound to happen.

 
I agree with the poster who said that it's stupid not to take the opportunity to spend a few hours with someone you're considering spending millions of dollars on. You may stumble upon some character traits (positive or negative) that may influence your decision.

It's almost like the Cards are saying, "We don't want all the information."

 
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I agree with the poster who said that it's stupid not to take the opportunity to spend a few hours with someone you're considering spending millions of dollars on. You may stumble upon some character traits (positive or negative) that may influence your decision.

It's almost like the Chargers are saying, "We don't want all the information."
What if they did just that at the player's pro day? Is it necessary to then have an additional private workout?
 
I think it's ridiculous...

They're going to invest millions of dollars in their first round draft choice, and don't want to 'interview the job candidate'?

Unless of course they feel they've done all their homework already.

Remember this though.... Arizona's Vice President of Football Operations Rod Graves (and Dave Wannstedt) traded an 11th overall (1st round) draft pick for Rick Mirer back in '97.

 
Remember this though.... Arizona's Vice President of Football Operations Rod Graves (and Dave Wannstedt) traded an 11th overall (1st round) draft pick for Rick Mirer back in '97.
No GM(or similar role) is perfect
 
I agree with the poster who said that it's stupid not to take the opportunity to spend a few hours with someone you're considering spending millions of dollars on. You may stumble upon some character traits (positive or negative) that may influence your decision.

It's almost like the Chargers are saying, "We don't want all the information."
What if they did just that at the player's pro day? Is it necessary to then have an additional private workout?
Apparently not - I'm guessing this is the logic the Cards are using. I would think that having a player in for a workout and dinner with the Coach and GM would be far more useful than the interview a particular club gets at a player's pro day when there are 20-30 other teams there.
 
I constantly bump a pro day thread here but it gets no love. It's a great page at NFL.com reviewing 161 prodays. http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

That and this article

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=854

Among other things, one scout missing the birth of his child for draft meetings...cmon there's dedication you just don't see it where you're used to it.
:goodposting: Bri, I think all your posts in this thread are good valid points.

Anyone who thinks the Cards are paying someone millions without knowing the person because they didn't bring him in for a visit is nieve and norrow minded.Both of Dennys first round picks I think will be probowlers for years to come .Fitz has already been there and Rolle will be there soon.

 
I constantly bump a pro day thread here but it gets no love. It's a great page at NFL.com reviewing 161 prodays. http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

That and this article

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=854

Among other things, one scout missing the birth of his child for draft meetings...cmon there's dedication you just don't see it where you're used to it.
:goodposting: Bri, I think all your posts in this thread are good valid points.

Anyone who thinks the Cards are paying someone millions without knowing the person because they didn't bring him in for a visit is nieve and norrow minded.Both of Dennys first round picks I think will be probowlers for years to come .Fitz has already been there and Rolle will be there soon.
Why on earth are you guys going to bat here for this bumbling organization. If pre-draft visits are good enough for the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Denver and every other winning organization, why would the Cards think theyre above this stategy? I couldnt care less how much the Cards aired it out last year or how many yards they gained. how many games did they win? this is a bottom line business. Naive and Narrow minded? cmon....seriously. Like I said, Green has never come close to WINNING a Superbowl. Losing a close won to the Falcons in the NFC championship game is not really close. There's no contradiction there. And why didnt he visit with Moss?....who in their right mind thought he would slip all the way to the Vikings slot in the 1st round? I guarantee you Green didnt. Youre not really making any valid points. I make one simple and important one....the Cardinals have no track record of success, and here they are cutting corners rather than going the extra mile to ensure success. This 'unique' approach shouldnt be commended.....it should be laughed at.
 
All-time postseason record: 3 - 5

1998, more recently than...

Buffalo 1995

Cncinnati 1990

Cleveland 1994

Houston never

Kansas City 1993

San Diego 1994

Chicago 1994

Dallas 1996

Detroit 1991

 
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I constantly bump a pro day thread here but it gets no love. It's a great page at NFL.com reviewing 161 prodays. http://www.nfl.com/draft/analysis/individual_workouts

That and this article

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=854

Among other things, one scout missing the birth of his child for draft meetings...cmon there's dedication you just don't see it where you're used to it.
:goodposting: Bri, I think all your posts in this thread are good valid points.

Anyone who thinks the Cards are paying someone millions without knowing the person because they didn't bring him in for a visit is nieve and norrow minded.Both of Dennys first round picks I think will be probowlers for years to come .Fitz has already been there and Rolle will be there soon.
Why on earth are you guys going to bat here for this bumbling organization. If pre-draft visits are good enough for the Pats, Steelers, Colts, Denver and every other winning organization, why would the Cards think theyre above this stategy? I couldnt care less how much the Cards aired it out last year or how many yards they gained. how many games did they win? this is a bottom line business. Naive and Narrow minded? cmon....seriously. Like I said, Green has never come close to WINNING a Superbowl. Losing a close won to the Falcons in the NFC championship game is not really close. There's no contradiction there. And why didnt he visit with Moss?....who in their right mind thought he would slip all the way to the Vikings slot in the 1st round? I guarantee you Green didnt. Youre not really making any valid points. I make one simple and important one....the Cardinals have no track record of success, and here they are cutting corners rather than going the extra mile to ensure success. This 'unique' approach shouldnt be commended.....it should be laughed at.
Besides cutting Pete Kendall to "make a statement", I don't really have any problems with any of Green's personnel moves since he began his tenure as Cards coach. Their draft picks have been good to excellent for the most part. Not just the 1st rounders, but guys like Dansby, Dockett and even Stepanovich to a lesser extent have seen significant playing time and contributed in a major way. For the past two years, it's hard for me to say that this organization has had any major screw-ups. From the re-signing of Warner to the transition to the new dome, everything that's needed to be addressed has seemed it has been or will be. Sure Arrington didn't work out, but he was high on a lot of draft boards last year and there still might be some use for him if the offensive line woes are corrected. This team is headed in the right direction. I don't think a trip to Ruth's Chris here or there is going to make or break the future.
 
arizona is officially the model by which a franchise should be constructed....NOT. they dont think its a good idea to bring a guy in for a steak and some lap top dancing, then by golly im all for it....oh, for god's sake. 15 wins in the past 3 years, and a regression from '04 to '05 of 6 wins to 5? yeah, this group really knows what its doing.... :bag:

 
the sporting news had a blurb this week about numerous teams bringing in 10 guys or so for visits that they have no interest in. this whole thing is nothing but a shell game

the thing that hurts the cardinals is the bidwell's well deserved reputation for being cheap, but i can't say i believe these 20-30 visits are worth it myself

 
With the additional visits, a lot of teams are bringing in guys that they don't think will be drafted as a way to recruit potential undrafted free agents. I think it's a mistake for the Cardinals to not even use their visits for that purpose.

 
With the additional visits, a lot of teams are bringing in guys that they don't think will be drafted as a way to recruit potential undrafted free agents. I think it's a mistake for the Cardinals to not even use their visits for that purpose.
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With the additional visits, a lot of teams are bringing in guys that they don't think will be drafted as a way to recruit potential undrafted free agents. I think it's a mistake for the Cardinals to not even use their visits for that purpose.
link?
Dan Pompei in the Apr. 21 edition of Sporting News (not found on their website):
A Growing Guest List

One benefit to playing host for 10 extra players is it allows teams to start early recruiting on players they believe will be undrafted. It also helps teams answer medical questions. Perhaps the greatest benefit is it allows coaches to get more players "on the board," a process that helps them discern a prospect's football intelligence.
 
Why would you pass up information about a prospect? What a terrible way to go about your scouting.

 
Why would you pass up information about a prospect? What a terrible way to go about your scouting.
The only advantage I can see is that other teams would have less information about who you might draft, but that hardly outweighs not having as much information about the players available in the draft cmpared to the other teams.
 
It appears that the Cardinals aren't the only team that is not bringing in top prospects.

Link

At the end of the article:

* The Packers haven't invited any potential draft picks to come visit the team facility -- making them the only team in the top seven draft slots that isn't bringing in the top prospects for visits.

* Speaking of the Packers, an unofficial deadline of this weekend seems to be in place for Brett Favre to make his decision on whether he's returning for 2006 or not.
 
people were "ripping him" and now he's getting congratulated on a fine draft. I think this is important to remember for next year. Maybe other teams will also go this route+spend the last week or so re-scouting or whatever the Cards did
 
people were "ripping him" and now he's getting congratulated on a fine draft. I think this is important to remember for next year. Maybe other teams will also go this route+spend the last week or so re-scouting or whatever the Cards did
Whether or not the Cardinals had a good draft won't be known for another few years. Also, the fact that Leinart fell to them, which is the biggest reason the Cardinals had what people may think was a good draft, had nothing to do with the visits, or lack thereof.

 

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