Carnell Williams Injury (1 Viewer)

[ImTheScientist]

Yahoo! Sports reports that Carnell Williams' torn patella tendon is career-threatening.A lot of times we hear that an injury is "career-threatening" (Daunte Culpepper, Carson Palmer, Kellen Winslow), but the players return to the field. Browns DB Gary Baxter is currently trying to return from two torn patella tendons and isn't back yet. Either way, it's hard to imagine the Bucs counting on Caddy as their unquestioned primary back next year.

I hope he is ok....I have liked him for years even though he underperformed in the NFL. For Dynasty guys interested this should be watched.

 

[Texican]

Will he be officially IR'd today?

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Charlie Garner had the same injury and he never played again. Hopefully Cadillac Williams will have a different result.

 

[zamboni]

Charlie Garner had the same injury and he never played again. Hopefully Cadillac Williams will have a different result.

Garner was also about 32, I believe, when he sustained the injury.

 

[Keys Myaths]

 

[Avery]

Charlie Garner had the same injury and he never played again. Hopefully Cadillac Williams will have a different result.

Garner was also about 32, I believe, when he sustained the injury.

Reconstuctive knee surgery has come a long way in the past few years as well.Just ask McGahee.

 

[fatboyj711]

i believe caddy sustained a similar injury at auburn... i can't recall if it was the same knee though...

 

[Sack-Religious]

I think the media is obliged to put "career threatening" anytime there's a catastrophic injury to a player.

That being said, it could very well end his NFL career, but I believe Correll Buckhalter had the same injury. I also think David Boston had it as well.

Ahman Green blew out his Quadirceps tendon and is still effective. None of these guys were as young as Caddy when they got injured, and they've all returned to the NFL, albeit not quite as good as they were previously.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

I think the media is obliged to put "career threatening" anytime there's a catastrophic injury to a player.That being said, it could very well end his NFL career, but I believe Correll Buckhalter had the same injury. I also think David Boston had it as well.Ahman Green blew out his Quadirceps tendon and is still effective. None of these guys were as young as Caddy when they got injured, and they've all returned to the NFL, albeit not quite as good as they were previously.

I will be working the blogger today, and will post if I hear anything similar.as for this piece, I will not post it because it is VERY speculative. I would expect more from Jason Cole, but I am sure Yahoo is simply wanting to be the first to say 'career-threatening' in case it is indeed true.

 

[Texican]

Will he be officially IR'd today?

Anyone know how quickly a player is normally moved to IR status?

 

[ceo3west]

Will he be officially IR'd today?

Anyone know how quickly a player is normally moved to IR status?

Usually a day or two after the injury, but I've seen teams wait a week.If anyone has a link to the official IR move, please post. In my league (and I assume others too), I cannot make an IR move until the team officially places the player on IR.

 

[Texican]

Will he be officially IR'd today?

Anyone know how quickly a player is normally moved to IR status?

Usually a day or two after the injury, but I've seen teams wait a week.If anyone has a link to the official IR move, please post. In my league (and I assume others too), I cannot make an IR move until the team officially places the player on IR.

Same here.

 

[Texican]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for Caddy

Oct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.

Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

 

[BigTex]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for CaddyOct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Ocho Cinco]

Is it safe to drop him already?

Just want to make sure it has been confirmed by numerous sources and not just the St. Petes Times

 

[prymetyme25]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for CaddyOct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

Thanks for posting this.

Isn't that kinda quick for surgery. Doesn't the swelling have to go down first? Or was there any swelling at all?

 

[Ron_Mexico]

...they've all returned to the NFL, albeit not quite as good as they were previously.

Unfortunately, Caddy cannot afford to be not quite as goodas he was "pre-injury".

 

[a_rackowski]

Come on Dolphins - relinquish his rights...........

 

[moderated]

...they've all returned to the NFL, albeit not quite as good as they were previously.

Unfortunately, Caddy cannot afford to be not quite as goodas he was "pre-injury".

If he is gonna be worse than his 3.8 average per carry when he comes back he'll never be given a starting gig again.I like Caddy, but his body just can't handle the pounding it takes in the NFL. He might come back as a spot RB, but no team in their right mind is gonna bring him in with the intention of making him their starter.

 

[Sack-Religious]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for CaddyOct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

Thanks for posting this.

Isn't that kinda quick for surgery. Doesn't the swelling have to go down first? Or was there any swelling at all?

I'm not an expert, but with tendon injuries there might be less swelling. Tendons are basically like elastics that are stretched tight. When the rupture they contract back into the muscle. I recall reading about one quadricep tendon injury where, when it ruptured, it contracted halfway into the quad of the player. While there would undoubtedly be some swelling, perhaps the priority would be to get the corrective surgery ASAP.

 

[comfortably numb]

Is it safe to drop him already?Just want to make sure it has been confirmed by numerous sources and not just the St. Petes Times

Yes, ESPN reports he is done for the year.

 

[Nemesis]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

 

[perry147]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

This would be gold for M. Turner.

 

[bearsfan54]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for CaddyOct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

Thanks for posting this.

Isn't that kinda quick for surgery. Doesn't the swelling have to go down first? Or was there any swelling at all?

I'm not an expert, but with tendon injuries there might be less swelling. Tendons are basically like elastics that are stretched tight. When the rupture they contract back into the muscle. I recall reading about one quadricep tendon injury where, when it ruptured, it contracted halfway into the quad of the player. While there would undoubtedly be some swelling, perhaps the priority would be to get the corrective surgery ASAP.

The Buccaneers website is reporting it as well.

 

[prymetyme25]

From RotoWire - Surgery Today for CaddyOct 1 Williams (torn patellar tendon, right knee) is out for the year, the St. Petersburg Times reports. Dr. James Andrews is scheduled to perform surgery on Williams in Birmingham on Monday.Recommendation: Michael Pittman and Earnest Graham will share time in the backfield (at both the halfback and fullback positions) for the rest of the season for Tampa Bay. Williams rushed for 41 yards in six carries before he left Sunday's game due to the injury, and finishes the year with 228 yards rushing and three touchdowns. Although it's cruel to mention it at the moment, Williams had two dropped passes in the first quarter of Sunday's game, and in addition to a grueling injury rehab, he'll have spend more time in the offseason solidifying his role in the Bucs' pass offense in 2008.

Thanks for posting this.

Isn't that kinda quick for surgery. Doesn't the swelling have to go down first? Or was there any swelling at all?

I'm not an expert, but with tendon injuries there might be less swelling. Tendons are basically like elastics that are stretched tight. When the rupture they contract back into the muscle. I recall reading about one quadricep tendon injury where, when it ruptured, it contracted halfway into the quad of the player. While there would undoubtedly be some swelling, perhaps the priority would be to get the corrective surgery ASAP.

Interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

This would be gold for M. Turner.

OR we just found another home for one of a dozen 08 stud RB prospects.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

This would be gold for M. Turner.

OR we just found another home for one of a dozen 08 stud RB prospects.

Gruden loves those gritty, do anything to win players and requires a RB know how to block well. I'd love to see Mike Hart here.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

This would be gold for M. Turner.

OR we just found another home for one of a dozen 08 stud RB prospects.

Would Turner fit into this system?

 

[Otis]

Keys> Can you include some more info in your sig? Thx. -Otis

 

[Keys Myaths]

Keys> Can you include some more info in your sig? Thx. -Otis

That better?

 

[Sleeper 43]

I would bet that M.Turner's agent just added TB to the shopping list.

This would be gold for M. Turner.

OR we just found another home for one of a dozen 08 stud RB prospects.

Would Turner fit into this system?

Turner would fit in anyone's, he a great back. I just think with the overwhelming wealth of RB's coming out you can have a stud prospect cheap vs what Turner's gonna cost.

 

[cstu]

Information on patellar tendon ruptures

 

[cstu]

Generally, strict immobilization is recommended for 6 weeks followed by range of motion exercises. Strengthening exercises are then started approximately 3 months after the repair and followed shortly thereafter by neuromuscular retraining. Return of quadriceps bulk and strength usually is delayed, and return to premorbid athletic activities may take approximately 9-12 months.

Follow-up care: After an adequate repair allowing for an aggressive postoperative rehabilitative program, the follow-up care goals, with intervals dated as time after surgery, are as follows:

* 3-5 days - Adequate pain control, decrease in swelling and wound check

* 2 weeks - Active flexion to 45°, full passive extension

* 4 weeks - Active flexion to 90°, maintenance of full passive extension

* 6-8 weeks - Full active flexion

* 3 months - Straight leg raise with no extension lag

* 6 months - Symmetric quadriceps size and strength

OUTCOME AND PROGNOSIS - Immediate surgical repair of the ruptured patella tendon is recommended for optimal return of function. Outcome after repair is closely related to the length of time between injury and repair. If the tendon is repaired immediately, most patients experience nearly full return of knee motion, quadriceps strength, and preinjury activity levels. Persistent quadriceps atrophy commonly occurs but is not considered a complication, as the atrophy does not prevent the return of strength.

Complications - Not infrequently, decreased quadriceps strength and loss of full knee flexion can complicate the overall success of a repair. Prolonged immobilization leads to stiffness. Manipulation under anesthesia or arthroscopic lysis of adhesions may be necessary to improve motion. Occasionally, the decreased range of motion can be attributed to patella baja. This is when the patella lies more distal than normal, which can result when the tendon is relatively shortened by the repair.

Rerupture, failure of fixation, or both also can occur, especially in patients who return to athletic endeavors before the tendon is completely healed. The repeat injury may require a revision of the repair. Inadequate placement of the suture repair or failure to recreate the appropriate patellar height can cause patellofemoral pain.

Wound breakdown and infections can occur, as with any other surgical intervention. These complications may be slightly more common in this region due to limited soft tissue along the anterior knee and operating through inflamed tissue. To diminish these potential wound complications, perioperative antibiotics and closed-suction drains can be used, the initial incision can be made through uncompromised skin, and grasping of the skin edges can be kept to a minimum.

 

[EdwardCat]

Information on patellar tendon ruptures

Nice. With pictures, too.

 

[Bada Bing]

Will he be officially IR'd today?

Anyone know how quickly a player is normally moved to IR status?

Usually a day or two after the injury, but I've seen teams wait a week.If anyone has a link to the official IR move, please post. In my league (and I assume others too), I cannot make an IR move until the team officially places the player on IR.

If you play on MFL this is where the official word will be posted.Bucs Transaction Page

 

[EdwardCat]

Generally, strict immobilization is recommended for 6 weeks followed by range of motion exercises. Strengthening exercises are then started approximately 3 months after the repair and followed shortly thereafter by neuromuscular retraining. Return of quadriceps bulk and strength usually is delayed, and return to premorbid athletic activities may take approximately 9-12 months.

Follow-up care: After an adequate repair allowing for an aggressive postoperative rehabilitative program, the follow-up care goals, with intervals dated as time after surgery, are as follows:

* 3-5 days - Adequate pain control, decrease in swelling and wound check

* 2 weeks - Active flexion to 45°, full passive extension

* 4 weeks - Active flexion to 90°, maintenance of full passive extension

* 6-8 weeks - Full active flexion

* 3 months - Straight leg raise with no extension lag

* 6 months - Symmetric quadriceps size and strength

OUTCOME AND PROGNOSIS - Immediate surgical repair of the ruptured patella tendon is recommended for optimal return of function. Outcome after repair is closely related to the length of time between injury and repair. If the tendon is repaired immediately, most patients experience nearly full return of knee motion, quadriceps strength, and preinjury activity levels. Persistent quadriceps atrophy commonly occurs but is not considered a complication, as the atrophy does not prevent the return of strength.

Complications - Not infrequently, decreased quadriceps strength and loss of full knee flexion can complicate the overall success of a repair. Prolonged immobilization leads to stiffness. Manipulation under anesthesia or arthroscopic lysis of adhesions may be necessary to improve motion. Occasionally, the decreased range of motion can be attributed to patella baja. This is when the patella lies more distal than normal, which can result when the tendon is relatively shortened by the repair.

Rerupture, failure of fixation, or both also can occur, especially in patients who return to athletic endeavors before the tendon is completely healed. The repeat injury may require a revision of the repair. Inadequate placement of the suture repair or failure to recreate the appropriate patellar height can cause patellofemoral pain.

Wound breakdown and infections can occur, as with any other surgical intervention. These complications may be slightly more common in this region due to limited soft tissue along the anterior knee and operating through inflamed tissue. To diminish these potential wound complications, perioperative antibiotics and closed-suction drains can be used, the initial incision can be made through uncompromised skin, and grasping of the skin edges can be kept to a minimum.

Wow, this is good news for Williams since he is having surgery so soon after the injury. I just recently had a severe labral tear repaired. The recovery process looks quite similar.

 

[harryhood]

Just saw on ESPN that pettigout is out for the season...again. All too familiar as a Giants homer. So capella and Gump, if you could let us know, isn't this how everything went last year for your buc-o's?

I had caddy last year and it seemed as their offensive line started going down, so did their win and point totals. How is their depth after luke? Can they still move the ball on the ground and in the air without him? who should be taking over in his absence.

 

[greyone]

Just saw on ESPN that pettigout is out for the season...again. All too familiar as a Giants homer. So capella and Gump, if you could let us know, isn't this how everything went last year for your buc-o's?I had caddy last year and it seemed as their offensive line started going down, so did their win and point totals. How is their depth after luke? Can they still move the ball on the ground and in the air without him? who should be taking over in his absence.

sorry no link...but i did my Luke research last night before i added Graham( who i am unsure of, just needed a flyer at rb). Went to a bunch of different typical places.Says that Lukes backup was already outplaying him anyways. FYI. Anthony Davis and D Penn are his backups. I think Anthony Davis is the backup the blurb was referring to.Let me go find it.