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Carnerds: showing you the carfax (1 Viewer)

Otis

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Looking at buying a used 2015 GMC Yukon Denali (13k miles) with all the fixins as the new Ofamily mobile. They aren't cheap, but they get great reviews, are big enough to fit an expanding family and all the gear and crap that comes with it, are safe, and hell, they're 'Merican.

The question? I looked at the carfax and I'm trying to decipher whether the car may have had any serious problems along the way. It is listed on the carfax as a 7 month lease, but it looks like it was mostly at a few different dealers (and a couple of oddball locations all over the country wtf). Was it a dealer car? Something else? The carfax shows 2 or 3 maintanance items that I'm wondering about -- hoping the carnerds can decipher this thing.

SHOW ME THE CARFAX ALREADY, OATS

Thoughts? Huge headaches or probably just standard maintenance stuff?

 
I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
Based on all the reviews I've read that doesn't apply here. These new 2015 Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban are supposed to be awesome trucks, ranked at the top for non-luxury large SUVs.

 
Oh and for what it's worth the dealer said the reason they turned the car in is to get a larger XL version, they bought it and decided it wasn't big enough. Seems like an odd story given that it was apparently a lease based on what the carfax says, but maybe they let you do that.

Actually looks like there was a lease in May and a subsequent sale in July. So maybe it was just the dealer leasing it or some nonsense? One of these dealer cars or something? And then was sold to the first real owner in July and then later traded? Hell if I can tell.

 
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I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
Based on all the reviews I've read that doesn't apply here. These new 2015 Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban are supposed to be awesome trucks, ranked at the top for non-luxury large SUVs.
Reviews based on driving the truck that came out 7 months ago? Good call, I'd trust those....7 months is a lot of data, carry on.

 
I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
Based on all the reviews I've read that doesn't apply here. These new 2015 Yukon/Tahoe/Suburban are supposed to be awesome trucks, ranked at the top for non-luxury large SUVs.
Reviews based on driving the truck that came out 7 months ago? Good call, I'd trust those....7 months is a lot of data, carry on.
Thanks.

 
Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.

 
Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.
This was my concern. It's weird. WTF was it doing in SC? And Wisconsin????!

 
How long is the CPO warranty? How much are you saving for the 13k miles? Why not buy one from a private party and save more? I would definitely ask about what was programmed but honestly, that does not sound like a huge deal to me. I have never owned a new car, so take that with a grain of salt....

 
Strongly considering replacing my 2008 Ford Expedition EL. Love the new 2015 Yukon XL SLT. The amenities on this thing are ridiculous. Not many used ones of course, if any.

Why not the XL Otis? The extra space behind the seats is money.

 
How long is the CPO warranty? How much are you saving for the 13k miles? Why not buy one from a private party and save more? I would definitely ask about what was programmed but honestly, that does not sound like a huge deal to me. I have never owned a new car, so take that with a grain of salt....
We'll end up having something like a 4 year bumper to bumper with the CPO. As though it were a brand new car basically. We're saving about 10k off sticker. I like the idea of buying CPO which is why I haven't looked at a private party, but maybe we should.

Either way we're in a weird spot buying this car used. I want to buy used because I want value. We've done a lot of research and decided the 2015 Tahoe/Yukon is the right car for us. But of course any "used" car that is a 2015 will be an oddball. Sometimes there are good reasons to bring a car back, but other times---are we just honing in on a market of cars that had dissatisfied owners for one reason or another and abandoned them very quickly????

So now I'm starting to wonder if this is the car we really want, maybe we should just bite the bullet and buy new.

 
Looking at buying a used 2015 GMC Yukon Denali (13k miles) with all the fixins as the new Ofamily mobile. They aren't cheap, but they get great reviews, are big enough to fit an expanding family and all the gear and crap that comes with it, are safe, and hell, they're 'Merican.

The question? I looked at the carfax and I'm trying to decipher whether the car may have had any serious problems along the way. It is listed on the carfax as a 7 month lease, but it looks like it was mostly at a few different dealers (and a couple of oddball locations all over the country wtf). Was it a dealer car? Something else? The carfax shows 2 or 3 maintanance items that I'm wondering about -- hoping the carnerds can decipher this thing.

SHOW ME THE CARFAX ALREADY, OATS

Thoughts? Huge headaches or probably just standard maintenance stuff?
Get me the vin# and I can tell you exactly what was done other than the generic carfax.

Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.
This was my concern. It's weird. WTF was it doing in SC? And Wisconsin????!
Could have been a rental or possibly a GM exec car.

 
Looking at buying a used 2015 GMC Yukon Denali (13k miles) with all the fixins as the new Ofamily mobile. They aren't cheap, but they get great reviews, are big enough to fit an expanding family and all the gear and crap that comes with it, are safe, and hell, they're 'Merican.

The question? I looked at the carfax and I'm trying to decipher whether the car may have had any serious problems along the way. It is listed on the carfax as a 7 month lease, but it looks like it was mostly at a few different dealers (and a couple of oddball locations all over the country wtf). Was it a dealer car? Something else? The carfax shows 2 or 3 maintanance items that I'm wondering about -- hoping the carnerds can decipher this thing.

SHOW ME THE CARFAX ALREADY, OATS

Thoughts? Huge headaches or probably just standard maintenance stuff?
Get me the vin# and I can tell you exactly what was done other than the generic carfax.

Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.
This was my concern. It's weird. WTF was it doing in SC? And Wisconsin????!
Could have been a rental or possibly a GM exec car.
Awesome. PM sent. :popcorn:

 
Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.
This was my concern. It's weird. WTF was it doing in SC? And Wisconsin????!
The Wisconsin address just looks like a title company and obviously the vehicle had to be driven a lot to rack up 4,600 miles in less than 2 months. Could have been a vacation to SC?

 
From the VIN lookup:

The vehicle currently has 4 open service items:

Service Update Bulletins N140616 14616 SERVICE 4WD MESSAGE-TRANSFER CASE STUCK IN 4WD HI - *EXPIRES W/BASE WARRANTY* 11/07/2014 Open
Need to reprogram the Transfer case control module

Service Update Bulletins N140450 14450 INSPECT AIR CONDITIONING REFRIGERANT WARNING LABEL-* EXPIRES W/BASE WARRANTY * 07/29/2014 Open
Need to inspect the a/c label and possibly replace it and recharge the a/c

Customer Satisfaction Program N140541 14541 OWNER MANUAL SUPPLEMENT - DINGHY TOWING10/27/2014 Open
Need to put a sheet of paper in the owners manual updating how to tow.

Service Update Bulletins N140300 14300 SERVICE UPDATE - POWER LIFTGATE INOPERABLE - * EXPIRES WITH BASE WARRANTY * 12/08/2014 Open
Need to inspect and replace power liftgate actuator


Here are the repairs that were done under GM Warranty.

10/31/2014 0019557710 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 0600062 - ROADSIDE SERVICE (FLAT TIRE)10,176 MI

09/08/2014 326730 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 0600743 - GMC 2 Year Maintenance 7,704 MI

09/08/2014 326730 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 2810135 - Transfer Case Control Module Reprogramming with SPS 7,704 MI
Was reprogrammed for a Technical Service Bulletin for a possible delay when shifting out of 4 LO

07/18/2014 324421 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 0600743 - GMC 2 Year Maintenance 3,116 MI

07/18/2014 324421 ZFAT----Field Action Recall 9100680 - N14192 - Transfer Case Shift Control Module Reprogramming with SPS 3,116 MI
Was reprogrammed for a recall for unwanted shift to neutral

07/18/2014 324421 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 1032990 - Instrument Panel Carrier Replacement 3,116 MI
07/18/2014 324421 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 7020180 - Driver or Passenger Seat Cushion Frame Replacement 3,116 MI
Not sure the exact reason behind these. Could be anything from scratches to rattles or anything else.

07/18/2014 324421 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction 6420120 - Front View Camera Replacement 3,116 MI

Here are the applicable warranties:
Bumper to Bumper Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 36,021 MI
Corrosion Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2020 100,021 MI
Powertrain Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2019 100,021 MI
Emission Select Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2022 80,021 MI
Emission Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 50,021 MI
Emission Select State Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2021 70,021 MI
GMC 2 Year Scheduled Maintenance 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2016 24,021 MI



 
I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
This poster gets it. Always stay away from first year redesigns.

However, if your set on getting one I'd personally keep looking. Few to many questions/concerns with this one.

Good Luck!

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."

 
For 10k (likely less), I'd go new and get lemon law protection etc but then again, I don't buy new cars.

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him

 
I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
Yep - I knew this and still broke my own rule. Granted all my fixes have been covered under warranty but I've taken my Traverse in for many things.

My list

Reprogram the Oil Maitnence Computer - they felt the computer was causing timing chain issues

Airbag recall

Seatbelt recall

Electrical Panel recall

Bad wire causing dash to flicker

There were a couple other issues I can't remember

New Timing Chain, Cam Shaft

New Water Pump

63,000 miles total. Now granted ALL of this was covered and I was preventative. I would take it in for service and have the recall performed. The only one that I had to do was the Timing Chain as the code popped up on my OBD reader.

They also extended the warranty for the timing and power steering. Supposedly there is an issue there.

Anyway I know it sounds bad but the car drives and runs great and I honestly have only lost 5 days total unexpectedly and was provided a courtesy car.

But I know better than buying a first year model

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY
Haven't seen enough of them yet to give you a good answer. The V6 in them is the same engine that is in the Traverse, Acadia, and Enclave. They seem to be built pretty solid. One thing I wonder is why not spend a little more and go up to the full size, but I do understand that some people don't have the room for a full size.

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY
Haven't seen enough of them yet to give you a good answer. The V6 in them is the same engine that is in the Traverse, Acadia, and Enclave. They seem to be built pretty solid. One thing I wonder is why not spend a little more and go up to the full size, but I do understand that some people don't have the room for a full size.
I don't have the need for full size, I technically don't have the need for the smaller pickup, but I'm tired of throwing "pick up stuff" in the back of my Traverse. (snow blower, mulch, lawn mower - etc ) my commute may be changing from 10 minutes to 45 so I don't want the super gas guzzler and don't really tow. I had a smaller pickup a long time ago and loved it.

Thanks

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY
Haven't seen enough of them yet to give you a good answer. The V6 in them is the same engine that is in the Traverse, Acadia, and Enclave. They seem to be built pretty solid. One thing I wonder is why not spend a little more and go up to the full size, but I do understand that some people don't have the room for a full size.
Also, the drastic difference in the mpg's you get with the smaller Colorado is why I want one over a Silverado. Oh wait :unsure:

 
Only thing that concerns me at all is the instrument cluster. If it was bad and has been replaced - great. If there is a wiring issues and the clustter is a band aid or masaks the problem, not great.

The CPO program probably extended thecomprehensive warranty out past 60K miiles. If you like the car, I wouldn't let anything on that car fax hold up the purchase.

On the money side - What is MSRP, what is new transcactional, and what can you get it for?

 
snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY
Haven't seen enough of them yet to give you a good answer. The V6 in them is the same engine that is in the Traverse, Acadia, and Enclave. They seem to be built pretty solid. One thing I wonder is why not spend a little more and go up to the full size, but I do understand that some people don't have the room for a full size.
Also, the drastic difference in the mpg's you get with the smaller Colorado is why I want one over a Silverado. Oh wait :unsure:
Wait - is it the same?

 
I'd stay away. Why did it need reprogramming twice?
First model year of this redesign, I figure it's just software updates and stuff.
Regardless of what the carfax says I always try to stay away from first year redesigns. I don't care how minor they are. Give me a 2014 that they had several years to work out all the bugs.
Best advice right here.

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snellman's feedback for what it's worth, he seems knowledgeable:

"Pretty much all normal stufff. Nothing unusual at all especially on a new model vehicle with all of the electronics and computers. To put it in perspective, the new model pickups have had 8 recalls for reprogramming different items."
Obviously snellman doesn't understand this model vehicle has been getting great reviews, I wouldn't trust him
I may not be an expert, but I am a service manager at a GM dealership and I did stay at a Motel 6 last night :P
So the new Colorado - yeah or ney? DON'T GIVE ME THIS CRAP YOU ARE GM and NOT CHEVY
Haven't seen enough of them yet to give you a good answer. The V6 in them is the same engine that is in the Traverse, Acadia, and Enclave. They seem to be built pretty solid. One thing I wonder is why not spend a little more and go up to the full size, but I do understand that some people don't have the room for a full size.
Also, the drastic difference in the mpg's you get with the smaller Colorado is why I want one over a Silverado. Oh wait :unsure:
Wait - is it the same?
Here is the comparison. The 4cyl on the Colorado will get you more.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=34676&id=35677

 
My opinion it looks like the car was stolen or broken into, it also may have been a owner vandalized repossession.

Theses items add up to one thing.

Cut upholstery, repair instrument panel and reprogram.

To me this says someone busted out the glass and typically this cuts the upholstery when glass goes flying and gets ground into the seats, then they broke the instrument panel ripping out the GPS/Stereo and when the new unit was put in it had to be reprogrammed.

The timing is very quick in the reports. Maybe you have a instance where the car was stolen, recovered and the customer gave it up because they didn't want it anymore. Maybe a repo that the customer decided to take the stereo out first.

The second program may just have been a correction from the initial reset.

 
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My opinion it looks like the car was stolen or broken into, it also may have been a owner vandalized repossession.

Theses items add up to one thing.

Cut upholstery, repair instrument panel and reprogram.

To me this says someone busted out the glass and typically this cuts the upholstery when glass goes flying and gets ground into the seats, then they broke the instrument panel ripping out the GPS/Stereo and when the new unit was put in it had to be reprogrammed.

The timing is very quick in the reports. Maybe you have a instance where the car was stolen, recovered and the customer gave it up because they didn't want it anymore. Maybe a repo that the customer decided to take the stereo out first.

The second program may just have been a correction from the initial reset.
If that was the case (broken into) there is no way it would have been done under warranty (listed as a warranty repair in the GM report).

 
Sounds like somene leased it, had a ton of problems with it, and returned it. The dealer shipped it somewhere else and it sold. That person had a bunch of problems with it and returned it, it was checked and shipped somewhere else where the same thing happened.

I mean, why is the instrument panel being repaired at 3000 miles? Why did its "drivability" need to be checked?

There's a reason that thing has been in so many states and so many dealers in that amount of time. That's not normal at all.
Yep.

Too many other vehicles out there to try to talk yourself into one with strange question marks on it's record.

 
Here are the applicable warranties:
Bumper to Bumper Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 36,021 MI
Corrosion Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2020 100,021 MI
Powertrain Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2019 100,021 MI
Emission Select Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2022 80,021 MI
Emission Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 50,021 MI
Emission Select State Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2021 70,021 MI
GMC 2 Year Scheduled Maintenance 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2016 24,021 MI
THAT makes me worry about a vehicle that appears to already be having electrical issues of some form or fashion.

 
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Otis said:
Here are the applicable warranties:
Bumper to Bumper Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 36,021 MI
Corrosion Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2020 100,021 MI
Powertrain Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2019 100,021 MI
Emission Select Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2022 80,021 MI
Emission Limited Warranty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2017 50,021 MI
Emission Select State Component Ltd Wty 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2021 70,021 MI
GMC 2 Year Scheduled Maintenance 05/19/2014 21 MI 05/19/2016 24,021 MI
THAT makes me worry about a vehicle that appears to already be having electrical issues of some form or fashion.
It will extend a year for the CPO

 

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