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DesmondBishop

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Looks like Jon Beason and Thomas Davis are going to be on the sidelines at the start of the season. I watched both Carolina games and Jason Phillips was starting at MLB, does anyone have any more detailed info on this guy? Does he continue to be the starter into the season? We know Kuechly is going to be the starting WLB and looks like Anderson is playing SLB. Even 2 down lb'ers can put up points, he had 4 tackles against Miami and did not even play a full half of football. With Beason and Davis both having major injuries to come back from, just thinking this guy may be someone to watch.

Here is the gamebook link if you have doubts: http://www.nfl.com/l...AR_Gamebook.pdf

 
Not sure where you are getting your information, but Davis is already back at practice (and expected to participate in the preseason game this week) and Beason should be back pretty soon. Both are expected to be ready before the season opener.

Thomas Davis is no longer a starter, as Beason, Keuchly and Anderson will be the three who get the jobs. Davis will be a situational and backup player.

Jason Phillips will probably be the first guy off the bench after Davis and he's played pretty well in the preseason so far. He'll definitely make the team, but his only real value will be if there is an injury (with Beason and Davis' recent history though, that's not out of the question). If Beason were to get hurt, Phillips would probably take over the MLB spot temporarily, but if it were a longer term issue, Keuchly would probably move to the middle, with Anderson and Davis on the sides.

 
Per Rotoworld:

Panthers MLB Jon Beason (hamstring) is questionable for Week 1.

Beason has missed the majority of camp with an injury he admits he suffered while overcompensating for his surgically-repaired Achilles' tendon. With Thomas Davis (knee, calf) also iffy for Week 1, a big load is going to fall on rookie WLB Luke Kuechly, who is locked in as a starter.

Kuechly has played no MLB this preseason, why would they suddenly change his position if Beason can't go? I think it unlikely they would, not saying he is not the better talent, but it wouldn't make sense to suddenly throw him, a rookie into a new position when you have a guy that has been playing it well all preseason. We will see how things play out the next couple weeks as injuries go, but if Phillips starts the week 3 preseason game, he will almost be a lock to start week one unless Beason makes dramatic improvements health wise.

Also, I made no guarantees or crazy predictions in my post, I clearly stated "With Beason and Davis both having major injuries to come back from, just thinking this guy may be someone to watch."

Personally I appreciate things like this and is why I read and post in the IDP forums.

 
Kuechly has played no MLB this preseason
IIRC Kuechly played MLB with the 2nd stringers in at least the first preseason game
If he did it was very briefly, he made both tackles and had both assists on the Texans first drive and first play of the 2nd drive of the game.I am not saying I don't believe you, just saying I watched until halftime of that game and don't recall him playing MLB, but he may have for a series or 2.
 
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Per Rotoworld:

Panthers MLB Jon Beason (hamstring) is questionable for Week 1.

Beason has missed the majority of camp with an injury he admits he suffered while overcompensating for his surgically-repaired Achilles' tendon. With Thomas Davis (knee, calf) also iffy for Week 1, a big load is going to fall on rookie WLB Luke Kuechly, who is locked in as a starter.

Kuechly has played no MLB this preseason, why would they suddenly change his position if Beason can't go? I think it unlikely they would, not saying he is not the better talent, but it wouldn't make sense to suddenly throw him, a rookie into a new position when you have a guy that has been playing it well all preseason. We will see how things play out the next couple weeks as injuries go, but if Phillips starts the week 3 preseason game, he will almost be a lock to start week one unless Beason makes dramatic improvements health wise.

Also, I made no guarantees or crazy predictions in my post, I clearly stated "With Beason and Davis both having major injuries to come back from, just thinking this guy may be someone to watch."

Personally I appreciate things like this and is why I read and post in the IDP forums.
Kuechly has worked in the middle in training camp, and he's likely to move there in the future anyway (Beason prefers the outside, but his performance in the middle has kept him there over the years), so it would be a logical move. This has been hinted at by Mcdermott/Rivera a few times as well, in fact, he initially said Kuechly would be the MLB going into the season, prior to changing his mind. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you, it certainly wasn't meant that way. While you may not have made a "crazy prediction", you did say that it looks like Beason and Davis will be on the sidelines to start the season. I was just pointing out that I don't think that's the case, especially with Davis, who is already practicing. I follow the Panthers very closely and have attended probably 2/3 of training camp this season, along with being present for both preseason games, so I try to offer my educated opinion when questions about the Panthers pop up. I've seen/heard nothing that suggests Beason's season opener status is in jeopardy. Maybe something changes, but I'm planning on him being there when the season starts.

As an FYI, Beason moved to MLB during his rookie season...so it's not out of the question.

 
Per Rotoworld:

Panthers MLB Jon Beason (hamstring) is questionable for Week 1.

Beason has missed the majority of camp with an injury he admits he suffered while overcompensating for his surgically-repaired Achilles' tendon. With Thomas Davis (knee, calf) also iffy for Week 1, a big load is going to fall on rookie WLB Luke Kuechly, who is locked in as a starter.

Kuechly has played no MLB this preseason, why would they suddenly change his position if Beason can't go? I think it unlikely they would, not saying he is not the better talent, but it wouldn't make sense to suddenly throw him, a rookie into a new position when you have a guy that has been playing it well all preseason. We will see how things play out the next couple weeks as injuries go, but if Phillips starts the week 3 preseason game, he will almost be a lock to start week one unless Beason makes dramatic improvements health wise.

Also, I made no guarantees or crazy predictions in my post, I clearly stated "With Beason and Davis both having major injuries to come back from, just thinking this guy may be someone to watch."

Personally I appreciate things like this and is why I read and post in the IDP forums.
Kuechly has worked in the middle in training camp, and he's likely to move there in the future anyway (Beason prefers the outside, but his performance in the middle has kept him there over the years), so it would be a logical move. This has been hinted at by Mcdermott/Rivera a few times as well, in fact, he initially said Kuechly would be the MLB going into the season, prior to changing his mind. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you, it certainly wasn't meant that way. While you may not have made a "crazy prediction", you did say that it looks like Beason and Davis will be on the sidelines to start the season. I was just pointing out that I don't think that's the case, especially with Davis, who is already practicing. I follow the Panthers very closely and have attended probably 2/3 of training camp this season, along with being present for both preseason games, so I try to offer my educated opinion when questions about the Panthers pop up. I've seen/heard nothing that suggests Beason's season opener status is in jeopardy. Maybe something changes, but I'm planning on him being there when the season starts.

As an FYI, Beason moved to MLB during his rookie season...so it's not out of the question.
Not attacking you but...From Rotoworld yesterday

Panthers MLB Jon Beason (hamstring) is questionable for Week 1.

Beason has missed the majority of camp with an injury he admits he suffered while overcompensating for his surgically-repaired Achilles' tendon. With Thomas Davis (knee, calf) also iffy for Week 1, a big load is going to fall on rookie WLB Luke Kuechly, who is locked in as a starter. Aug 21 - 9:51 AM

Source: Charlotte Observer
So if Beason and Davis are both out week 1, who is the 3rd LB?
 
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'solorca said:
Per Rotoworld:

Panthers MLB Jon Beason (hamstring) is questionable for Week 1.

Beason has missed the majority of camp with an injury he admits he suffered while overcompensating for his surgically-repaired Achilles' tendon. With Thomas Davis (knee, calf) also iffy for Week 1, a big load is going to fall on rookie WLB Luke Kuechly, who is locked in as a starter.

Kuechly has played no MLB this preseason, why would they suddenly change his position if Beason can't go? I think it unlikely they would, not saying he is not the better talent, but it wouldn't make sense to suddenly throw him, a rookie into a new position when you have a guy that has been playing it well all preseason. We will see how things play out the next couple weeks as injuries go, but if Phillips starts the week 3 preseason game, he will almost be a lock to start week one unless Beason makes dramatic improvements health wise.

Also, I made no guarantees or crazy predictions in my post, I clearly stated "With Beason and Davis both having major injuries to come back from, just thinking this guy may be someone to watch."

Personally I appreciate things like this and is why I read and post in the IDP forums.
Kuechly has worked in the middle in training camp, and he's likely to move there in the future anyway (Beason prefers the outside, but his performance in the middle has kept him there over the years), so it would be a logical move. This has been hinted at by Mcdermott/Rivera a few times as well, in fact, he initially said Kuechly would be the MLB going into the season, prior to changing his mind. Sorry if you felt like I was attacking you, it certainly wasn't meant that way. While you may not have made a "crazy prediction", you did say that it looks like Beason and Davis will be on the sidelines to start the season. I was just pointing out that I don't think that's the case, especially with Davis, who is already practicing. I follow the Panthers very closely and have attended probably 2/3 of training camp this season, along with being present for both preseason games, so I try to offer my educated opinion when questions about the Panthers pop up. I've seen/heard nothing that suggests Beason's season opener status is in jeopardy. Maybe something changes, but I'm planning on him being there when the season starts.

As an FYI, Beason moved to MLB during his rookie season...so it's not out of the question.
NP and thank you. I still think Beason playing week one is unlikely unless his health changes quickly and I think Phillips will be at least a 2 down MLB for week 1. Now we are still about 3 weeks away from kickoff and obviously things can change quickly.
 
I'll just say that I don't trust Rotoworld with this information. I follow the team very closely, and the fact that they are still saying that Thomas Davis is "iffy" for week one makes me question their sources. Granted, it's always possible he could have a setback, but as it stands right now, he's a definite for week one...and is possible to play in the preseason game on Sunday.

Beason's situation isn't so cut and dry, but all reports from the Panthers beat writers and Ron Rivera suggest that he's likely to play week 1. I'd say there is a 25% chance he won't make it, but I feel pretty confident he'll be there.

If Beason and Davis are both out in week one, the starting lineup would be Keuchly, Anderson, and Phillips. Really, it would just be replacing Beason in the middle with Phillips, since Davis isn't the starter anyway.

I should probably add that the Rotoworld blurb came from the Charlotte Observer. They fired Darin Gantt, who was one of the few reliable Panthers sources, and replaced him with Josepth Person, who is getting better, but is still not very reliable. He has no real insight into the team and rarely offers anything more than what any of us could find from reading PFT. The just added another new guy, Jonathan Jones, who is pretty much useless at this point, but he's really green...so hopefully he'll get better. Darin Gantt and Steve Reed are the only two Panthers writers who I trust for information..and fortunately, even though neither are officially on the Panthers beat anymore, they are both covering them for their new jobs (Gantt is with PFT now and Steve Reed is working for the AP).

For the record though, since I believe the article referenced came from him, Joseph Person (Charlotte Observer) said today that he expects both to play in week 1.

 
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To add a little bit more...

MLB - Beason (stud when he plays, but he has injury concerns)

OLB - Anderson (Definition of solid. Nothing stands out as special about him, but he does his job and does it well)

OLB - Keuchly (WILL be a stud. I think he will lead all 4-3 linebackers in intercepions this year...he has an increible eye for the ball)

Phillips - Probably first off the bench if Beason is out at any point, and with a line that is struggling, he'll have the opportunity to get a ton of tackles if he is in the middle for any significant amount of time. He's a prime guy to hold on your bench, but he'll only be useful with a Beason injury. He CAN play the outside, but it's unlikely he'll be part of the rotation.

Davis - Top backup for either of the OLB spots. When he plays, he's the fastest linebacker on the team and will be a solid fantasy starter, but I would never count on him for anything more than a flier. Three season ending injuries in three years makes him a liability. He's in Carolina for cheap this season, and his talent is definitely there to make him a great LB when he's able to play.

Jordan Senn - In my mind, he's the top backup on the outside after Davis. He's had a great camp and is looking better everytime I see him. Keep an eye on him if injuries start to pile up.

Jason Williams - Decent player, but nothing special. He's nothing but depth.

 
Kuechly is not in the nickel package. It was Davis and Anderson.

Jene, is Kuechly even worth owning if he is just a 2-down player?

 
Gotta think they just want to see if Davis is healthy.
Let's hope. Davis looked explosive on that blitz/sack and stayed with Baker in coverage. Kuechly still has 1-4 right now but I wouldn't feel comfortable starting a 2-down LB when DeMeco Ryans, Chung, and some others available on waivers.
 
Keuchly is an impressive looking linebacker and with his instincts, it's just a matter of time before he is a 3-down linebacker.

 
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I know he's not the depth chart starter, but all Jordan Senn does when given an opportunity is put up big tackle numbers, including in the first preseason game this year (and the end of last season was ridiculous). Is he someone to pay attention to at all? You never hear him mentioned anywhere, even as a high upside flier.

 
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I know he's not the depth chart starter, but all Jordan Senn does when given an opportunity is put us HUGE tackle numbers, including in the first preseason game this year (and the end of last season was ridiculous). Is he someone to pay attention to at all? You never hear him mentioned anywhere, even as a high upside flier.
Before Thomas Davis played, I thought he might have been a decent short-term fill in, but even if Beason isn't ready to play in week 1, they still Davis, Kuechly, and Anderson all healthy. So Senn has no value at all.
 
Beason is practicing today - expected to start week 1, along with Thomas Davis.

 
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Whoo boy does Luke Keuchly look awful.

He can't shed blocks, he hasn't done much rushing the passer, they don't trust him in coverage and yank him if they don't try to rush him from the edge.

First glimpse is not positive on Kuechly.

He's got a lot of work to do before he's start-worthy.

 
Whoo boy does Luke Keuchly look awful. He can't shed blocks, he hasn't done much rushing the passer, they don't trust him in coverage and yank him if they don't try to rush him from the edge.First glimpse is not positive on Kuechly.He's got a lot of work to do before he's start-worthy.
Argh.You see clips or most of game?I drafted him 2nd rd in 16-team All-IDP league.
 
I started Beason over Kuechly.

I'd love to hold on to Kuechly and possibly start him now If McCarthy is going to be limited.

Maybe Jene can give some insight.

 
'JOBOOZOSO said:
'Bracie Smathers said:
Whoo boy does Luke Keuchly look awful. He can't shed blocks, he hasn't done much rushing the passer, they don't trust him in coverage and yank him if they don't try to rush him from the edge.First glimpse is not positive on Kuechly.He's got a lot of work to do before he's start-worthy.
Argh.You see clips or most of game?I drafted him 2nd rd in 16-team All-IDP league.
I watched most of the game, switched over sometime after the second quarter started with the intent of zeroing in on Luke.At first I was trying to find him but didn't see him. I thought it was the camera angles but it turns out they kept yanking him and putting in Thomas Davis who looks better than Keuechly right now.Beason looks like a stud again.I have no idea why their was buzz on this guy in the first place.I only caught a glimpse of him in the preseason and came away less than impressed as he had tons of assists but very few solos which indicates a guy who trails plays but doesn't make them.Yesterday I saw him aggessively come up to the gap but it seemed he was there to take on blockers because that is all he did, take on a blocker but never disengauge to make a stop.He's utterly lost in coverage. He seems to tap dance and drift and then look around after every play as if he's looking at the other guys to see what they are doing.He showed nothing at all as a pass rusher.I'm astounded at how pedestrian he looked.
 
I don't disagree that Kuechly had issues yesterday, but I think they can all be explained by over-zealousness.

Instead of playing instinctively -- something he's known for and showed in the preseason -- it looked to me like he tried to play too fast. He bit on lots of play action, had more false steps than I've ever seen him have and overran his likely run fit a few times. I didn't see any specific coverage deficiencies and I don't think he shed blocks poorly, though he did get wrong-armed multiple times.

He'll settle down and those issues will resolve. Like so many other rookies, however, those early issues give the coaches even more reason to limit him to base packages for now. Especially with the other three backers -- particularly Beason -- looking fast and healthy.

 
Even though history would suggest otherwise,

I am concerned that James Anderson's tackle numbers will decrease dramatically this year

(particularly due to the return of Beason).

At the moment, I have Anderson on my team...

and Beason is surprisingly still available in my league (but probably not for long).

I hate to give up on Anderson after one decent game

but I do have the opportunity to grab Beason right now.

Does anybody have a strong opinion on whether either player

will have a substantially better season than the other?

Thanks

 
I don't disagree that Kuechly had issues yesterday, but I think they can all be explained by over-zealousness.Instead of playing instinctively -- something he's known for and showed in the preseason -- it looked to me like he tried to play too fast. He bit on lots of play action, had more false steps than I've ever seen him have and overran his likely run fit a few times. I didn't see any specific coverage deficiencies and I don't think he shed blocks poorly, though he did get wrong-armed multiple times.He'll settle down and those issues will resolve. Like so many other rookies, however, those early issues give the coaches even more reason to limit him to base packages for now. Especially with the other three backers -- particularly Beason -- looking fast and healthy.
The bottom line with Kuechly is the reason why he would hold long term value in a dynasty league and that is if he would eventually slide over to the middle and take over for Beason but Jon looked strong and in my mind he's fully recovered from his injury and will be entrenched in the middle for a long time.So even if Keuchly can work out his issues he would be relagated to the outside and he did not come in as a pass rusher so he won't rack up sack points and I have not seen anything yet to indicate he'll rack up big points in coverage. From a strict fantasy IDP point value, his mid-range upside seems limited and that is not what I would have expected after hearing so much about this young man. He should be a solid NFL linebacker but not a solid fantasy IDP LBer.Least that is the way it looks to me right now but I will stash him on my bench and hope for signs but right now I am not encouraged.
 
Update:

Kuechly admits he was over-aggressive early in the game.

My link

Rookies settle in after early errors for Carolina Panthers

First drive brought mistakes, but Luke Kuechly, Josh Norman played well later in loss to Bucs

It was their first series in an NFL regular-season game, and two Carolina Panthers rookies had yet to get comfortable.

Linebacker and first-round pick Luke Kuechly was trying to make every play on the opening drive Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, putting him out of position.

“I was playing too fast,” Kuechly said. “I wasn’t where I needed to be on a couple of plays. One person breaks down on defense, and the whole defense breaks down.”

... Panthers defensive coordinator Sean McDermott understood.

“A lot of young guys in that first drive got their first exposure to regular season NFL football,” he said. “We showed some our youth there.

“What was nice to see though was how those young guys settled down, in the second half in particular, and played good solid Panther style defense.”
Hopefully he will get that corrected real quick to tighten those defensive fits and stay on the field on third down and begin to show why he was drafted so high by making a lot more plays.
 
Did ESPN get their stats wrong in fantasy for Jon Beason? For some reason in my league it is showing only 2 TT.

 
'Mr. Soup Nazi said:
'eristow said:
Did ESPN get their stats wrong in fantasy for Jon Beason? For some reason in my league it is showing only 2 TT.
It was 2-3 solos-assts...I was off on my earlier post.
Beason had an elbow problem, which may have been the reason for his poor stats. He certainly whiffed on an arm tackle on Brown early in the game.
 
watched the whole game beason looked like he had at least 5 solos and like 5 assists also two pass defends which i seen i dunno who kept stats on that but at one point before the half on espn site he had 4.5 points and then when second half started he had 1.5 anyone else notice this?!@!! WTF

 
Glad this happened to someone else. Anderson had I believe 11 points in our scoring system at half time, then some time in the third quarter about half his tackles were just taken away and he finished on 13 points. I don't think that's right and I thought it would have been corrected.

 
Espn usually does a update on thursday after the monday night game, if thats the case it will be a while sucks when your in a close game. I run my league and there was a tie they recounted thursday and the guy who won the tie breaker lost a tackle and a assist now im the bad guy. I love idp but sometimes the scoring drives me crazy

 
so u saying after the monday night game there will be adjustments for carolina stats cuz everywhere i see on espn the stats for the carolina defenders are all way off

 
so u saying after the monday night game there will be adjustments for carolina stats cuz everywhere i see on espn the stats for the carolina defenders are all way off
Noticed same thing. I played Kuechly cause of injuries and happily saw him rack up 9 tackles and I believe 4 assists.. which fell to 6 and 6. Curious..
 
Does anybody have any insight into the Carolina LB situation?

Anderson has been a stud for the past 2 years but isn't doing much this season ...Why?

Beason is coming back from injuries and hasn't been a stud for 2 sesons now ... anybody think he will recover.

who to own

Keuchly

Anderson

Beason

 
anderson has fed off injuries to his fellow linebackers the last couple years.

if these other guys stay on the field I'd be pretty skeptical on anderson.

I just avoided beason in our draft because of the injuries and kuechely, but I have no idea on either of those guys going fwd.

I can't predict health, or whether they decide to expand kuechly's role, or shuffle his position.

kuechly had a big game last week because beason was out, just like anderson used to take advantage of those guys being out.

 

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