Carolina RB Controversy (1 Viewer)

[PhantomJB]

I realize there are a couple of threads out there already that chronicle this week's developments re: the Carolina running backs. This is intended to focus the conversation for what appears to be more than a few owners who have both on their rosters going into potentially crucial matchups.

Assuming Williams is declared active at 12noon on Sunday, which one will perform better in the TB game from a FF perspective?

FBG currently has Williams at 16.1pts and Stewart at 10.3pts.

I beg to differ. My speculation is that even if Williams starts, given that he has missed 3 days' practice, he can't help but be limited physically. Either he will reinjure the ankle at some point in the game and be out and/or the CAR will build a lead, rest Williams for a last gasp playoff run, and Stewart will be asked to pound it out the rest of the game.

Beyond that, Stewart appears to be a better receiver and could get a number of check-downs from the new QB Matt Moore.

Or the DWilliams injury reports could all be a smokescreen and the two will tote the rock in their historical proportions.

Either way, it is doubtful we will get any more info between now and 12noon Sunday...

Your vote?

 

[Neal Cassady]

I realize there are a couple of threads out there already that chronicle this week's developments re: the Carolina running backs. This is intended to focus the conversation for what appears to be more than a few owners who have both on their rosters going into potentially crucial matchups.

Assuming Williams is declared active at 12noon on Sunday, which one will perform better in the TB game from a FF perspective?

FBG currently has Williams at 16.1pts and Stewart at 10.3pts.

I beg to differ. My speculation is that even if Williams starts, given that he has missed 3 days' practice, he can't help but be limited physically. Either he will reinjure the ankle at some point in the game and be out and/or the CAR will build a lead, rest Williams for a last gasp playoff run, and Stewart will be asked to pound it out the rest of the game.

Beyond that, Stewart appears to be a better receiver and could get a number of check-downs from the new QB Matt Moore.

Or the DWilliams injury reports could all be a smokescreen and the two will tote the rock in their historical proportions.

Either way, it is doubtful we will get any more info between now and 12noon Sunday...

Your vote?

Either way, it is doubtful we will get any more info between now and 12noon Sunday...This is key. Until we know the severity of the injury its hard to make a prediction. Is it Michael Turner bad? did he just tweak it a bit? I own both, and i will roll with Deangelo if he starts the game but you better believe i will be looking for every single nugget of information between now and then..ie..deangelo said he warmed up and feels great, deangelo looked good in warmups and was making his normal cuts etc..

 

[BobbyLayne]

There is no Controversy.

There is, however, an Assistant Coach forum if you didn't want to clutter up TSP with veiled lineup questions.

 

[PhantomJB]

There is no Controversy.

There is, however, an Assistant Coach forum if you didn't want to clutter up TSP with veiled lineup questions.

I guess that will be up to the Moderator. Not you.The reason it was posted it here was as follows:

(a) Apparent broad interest - there are multiple threads in the SP that contain speculation about the CAR RB situation and appear to be a large constituency w/ both players

(b) Significant lack of info / uncertainty, which means SP opinion could be very helpful

© Conflicting opinions - just look at the results so far. Close to 50/50 indicates that while there may not be a "controversy" per se from John Fox's standpoint, there is definitely no consensus about the better performer this week.

Granted that "controversy" is probably the wrong word to use in the title but it was more meant to indicate "controversial opinions" so that is useful feedback.

 

[Bayhawks]

My speculation is that even if Williams starts, given that he has missed 3 days' practice, he can't help but be limited physically.

To say he can't help but be limited physically is a ridiculous statement. You think that an NFL level athlete can't rest for 3 days and then be 100% physically? Please explain how that makes sense. If his ankle is 100%, then resting for 3 days will not hinder him physically. If his ankle isn't 100%, than that is a different story. Either way, we won't know until they declare the inactives on Sunday.

Either he will reinjure the ankle at some point in the game and be out and/or the CAR will build a lead, rest Williams for a last gasp playoff run, and Stewart will be asked to pound it out the rest of the game.

Well, if you know these things will happen, then you have already answered your poll question, haven't you? I highly doubt, though, that the Panthers will make Williams active, and plan to pull him early to "rest" him. If they're going to rest him, they won't activate him. But if he is able to play, and they deactivate him, that must mean they have enough faith in their backup QB to lead them to a victory. If that's the case, why'd they wait so long to pull Delhomme. IMO, the fact that they have stuck with Delhomme so longs means they don't have total faith in Moore, and therefore, they won't "rest" Williams if he is able to play.

Beyond that, Stewart appears to be a better receiver and could get a number of check-downs from the new QB Matt Moore.

And this is based on his 21 receptions in 27 career games? Or maybe his zero receiving TDs? Maybe his career best 32 receiving yard game in week one?

Or the DWilliams injury reports could all be a smokescreen and the two will tote the rock in their historical proportions.

Not sure if they are a smokescreen, but Williams is a veteran, and the rest shouldn't hurt him. Giving him the rest may allow his ankle to recover sufficiently.

Either way, it is doubtful we will get any more info between now and 12noon Sunday...

Agreed

 

[PhantomJB]

Recent performances of Michael Turner, Calvin Johnson and Anquan Boldin are great examples of NFL athletes getting plenty of rest and not being 100% healed. To my knowledge all these guys participated at least on a "limited" basis before playing in their next game after injury.

Williams may or may not be 100%. A lack of quality info on his injury is exactly why we are forced to speculate now and the whole point of getting opinions. Especially since you agree about the low likelihood of getting additional info between now and Sunday.

To get the thread started I thought it would be useful to provide some of my own rationale for why I disagreed with the FBG projections that have Williams > Stewart, hoping others would provide their rationale along the way. The fact this rationale was my own speculation was adequately prefaced.

Evidently, others seem to have the same counter-FBG conclusion as me (but not giving their rationale) since it currently is 55% in favor of Stewart outperforming.

And ease up a little on the tone, eh pal? The high participation rate and poll results so far indicate a pretty robust and friendly debate.

 

[todisco1]

Recent performances of Michael Turner, Calvin Johnson and Anquan Boldin are great examples of NFL athletes getting plenty of rest and not being 100% healed. To my knowledge all these guys participated at least on a "limited" basis before playing in their next game after injury.Williams may or may not be 100%. A lack of quality info on his injury is exactly why we are forced to speculate now and the whole point of getting opinions. Especially since you agree about the low likelihood of getting additional info between now and Sunday.To get the thread started I thought it would be useful to provide some of my own rationale for why I disagreed with the FBG projections that have Williams > Stewart, hoping others would provide their rationale along the way. The fact this rationale was my own speculation was adequately prefaced.Evidently, others seem to have the same counter-FBG conclusion as me (but not giving their rationale) since it currently is 55% in favor of Stewart outperforming.And ease up a little on the tone, eh pal? The high participation rate and poll results so far indicate a pretty robust and friendly debate.

Steven Jackson was limited all week last week and he ended up doing okay. I think it's a case by case kind of thing. If Williams is able to go I'd feel more comfortable starting him than Stewart.

 

[PhantomJB]

Looks like FBG has updated their projections for Friday's news.

New JS = 16.1pts (18-93-0.8 running only) #8 RB

New DW = 8.7 pts (10-57-0.4 running only) #30 RB

 

[Mister CIA]

There is no Controversy.

There is, however, an Assistant Coach forum if you didn't want to clutter up TSP with veiled lineup questions.

That's thinly veiled to you!

 

[Righetti]

I think he meant a thinly veiled controversy

 

[Bayhawks]

Recent performances of Michael Turner, Calvin Johnson and Anquan Boldin are great examples of NFL athletes getting plenty of rest and not being 100% healed. To my knowledge all these guys participated at least on a "limited" basis before playing in their next game after injury.

Not sure what your point is. Those athletes, as you noted, were not healed. You implied that because he missed 3 days of practice he wouldn't be physically 100%. My reponse was that that was not logical. If he's resting, the goal is to get him 100%. So how would the rest keep him from being 100%?

Williams may or may not be 100%. A lack of quality info on his injury is exactly why we are forced to speculate now and the whole point of getting opinions. Especially since you agree about the low likelihood of getting additional info between now and Sunday.

Okay, but do you really think that anyone on this board is going to be able to offer you anything more than an uninformed opinion? Unless someone has direct access to the Panther's training staff and knows the extent of the injury, this poll is pointless. It wouldn't matter if 100% of the people responding said Stewart was going to do better or that Williams was going to do better. It wouldn't be based on any facts, just hunches, opinion, and conjecture. How, exactly, is that valuable?

To get the thread started I thought it would be useful to provide some of my own rationale for why I disagreed with the FBG projections that have Williams > Stewart, hoping others would provide their rationale along the way. The fact this rationale was my own speculation was adequately prefaced.

Evidently, others seem to have the same counter-FBG conclusion as me (but not giving their rationale) since it currently is 55% in favor of Stewart outperforming.

That's because there is no rationale. No one knows (save John Fox, Williams, and the Panthers training staff) how bad the injury is or whether he should/will be ready for Sunday. No one can give any kind of informed reason for their choice in the poll because the choices are based on nothing but opinion.

And ease up a little on the tone, eh pal? The high participation rate and poll results so far indicate a pretty robust and friendly debate.

I'm not your pal, friend. This thread seems like an attempt to get someone to tell you which RB to start, or to validate the choice you (seem to have) already made. There were several other threads started on this same subject, and this one wasn't necessary.

 

[Bad_Mo]

There is no Controversy.

There is, however, an Assistant Coach forum if you didn't want to clutter up TSP with veiled lineup questions.

 

[glumpy]

Carolina RB Controversy

Controversy??

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Both are stud runners, If DLo plays they will have normal split, if DLo dont play JStew will go insane, whats the problem?

Wait til 11:30 2morro to start the drama!

 

[PewterFan]

Michael Goodson.

 

[Zoomanji]

I'd play Stewart

If this was a WDIS thread ...

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

I'm not your pal, friend.

I'm not your friend, buddy.