Carroll Said Taking SEA Job Had Nothing To Do With Coming Trouble For (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-carrol...0,6286716.story

By Gary Klein

6:50 AM PST, January 11, 2010

Pete Carroll had no choice.

Not really.

In Carroll's mind, the opportunity to coach again in the NFL, in a situation that appeared to offer him all that he could hope for, was no longer a possibility.



"I had given up on it," he said during a phone interview early this morning, "but it came out of nowhere."

Actually, it came out of the Pacific Northwest, from the Seattle Seahawks and billionaire owner Paul Allen. The NFL team reached agreement with the 58-year-old Carroll on a five-year contract that will pay him nearly $33 million and give him the control he never enjoyed with the New York Jets or the New England Patriots. Carroll is expected to sign the deal today and be introduced in Seattle on Tuesday.

But before he begins a transition back to the NFL, where he last worked in 1999, Carroll will meet today with USC players at Heritage Hall.

"By far the most difficult thing is leaving the young guys that just came into the program and just started," he said.

Carroll declined to identify which coaches from the Trojans staff would follow him to Seattle. However, play-caller Jeremy Bates, offensive line coach Pat Ruel and linebackers coach Ken Norton reportedly will join Carroll.



Carroll said his decision to leave was not influenced by the specter of possible NCAA sanctions that could result from an investigation of allegations that Reggie Bush and his family accepted improper benefits while the Heisman Trophy winner was playing for the Trojans in 2004 and 2005.

"Not in any way," Carroll said. "Because I know where we stand. It's just a process we have to go through. We know we've fought hard to do right."

The possible sanctions were no factor. Riiiiiggght....The other thing that seems ludicrous to me is him expecting people to believe he'd given up on a job like this ever coming up.

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

Plus, I'd wager when you factor in the booster money, the net salaries aren't much different.

Interesting.

J

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Right. And Bill Clinton did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

And every politician caught with his pen in the wrong ink well just wants to spend more time with his family.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another other thing I don't get - People talking about Carroll as if he completely failed in the Pros. He was 33-31 and made the playoffs with 2 of his four teams.

I don't see it all like he got spanked in the NFL. He went to the NFL, was a slightly better than average coach, and found that his personality / gifts / talents / whatever were a much better fit in the NFL. That's not failing. That's finding out what you do best.

J

 

[Wadsworth]

I heard one time, a looooong time ago there was a coach that told the truth.

I think coaches lie so much that they fall into the delusion that people actually believe them. But as long as USC hires away Del Rio I don't care.

 

[ImTheScientist]

The possible sanctions were no factor. Riiiiiggght....

The other thing that seems ludicrous to me is him expecting people to believe he'd given up on a job like this ever coming up.

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

Plus, I'd wager when you factor in the booster money, the net salaries aren't much different.

Interesting.

J

"Premiere Job" is in the eye of the beholder. The team talent wise is horrible. But there are many things it does have going for it that I think Carroll likes and you are not considering.1) Richest owner in the NFL

2) Best training facilities in the NFL

3) New stadium

4) Its on the West Coast (If you live in California, Oregon, or Washington....you know how valuable #4 is)

5) #6 and #14 pick in the Draft this year

Number 4 may be difficult for many to understand, especially if you have not lived on the west coast. While Im sure potential sanctions are somewhat of an issue to him, it will not bring down USC. They have too many built in natural advantages not to continue to do well.

 

[Buffaloes]

The possible sanctions were no factor. Riiiiiggght....

The other thing that seems ludicrous to me is him expecting people to believe he'd given up on a job like this ever coming up.

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

Plus, I'd wager when you factor in the booster money, the net salaries aren't much different.

Interesting.

J

I never really got this sense. His name would pop up from time to time, but I think a lot of people remember his NFL HC career and remember how mediocre he was. It doesn't help that the guy who followed him turned the Pats into what they are now. Obviously Carroll had suitors or he wouldn't have a job in Seattle, but I never really got the feeling that he could get his pick of the litter when it comes to NFL jobs. I have little doubt that the heat from the NCAAs and USC rebuilding made leaving for the NFL an easier decision than most years.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

 

[ImTheScientist]

Another other thing I don't get - People talking about Carroll as if he completely failed in the Pros. He was 33-31 and made the playoffs with 2 of his four teams. I don't see it all like he got spanked in the NFL. He went to the NFL, was a slightly better than average coach, and found that his personality / gifts / talents / whatever were a much better fit in the NFL. That's not failing. That's finding out what you do best. J

I agree w/ you there. The other thing people need to realize is that was 10 years ago. He has certainly grown as a coach in 10 years (or I would hope so). In addition to that his accomplishments at USC give him instant credibility and respect in the eyes of the NFL player. Remember, most of the current NFL players only know the "USC Coach Carroll". With this respect and instant credibility I think he does a lot better in his second go around in the NFL provided they get the right talent in. He has put TONS of players into the NFL over the last 10 years and has played against tons of current players.....Im sure they have nothing but respect for him.

 

[Birdie048]

Is this his effort to bring in quality assistant coaches? Denying the past wrong doings as a non-factor to his background could help others in their decision to join him if they have skeletons in their closet.

No credible fan will believe him, but diehard fans will cheer the move... for now.... maybe in a few years they might look back at this and wonder.... kinda like the salary cap issue Wash encountered in recent years.

 

[domvin]

The possible sanctions were no factor. Riiiiiggght....

The other thing that seems ludicrous to me is him expecting people to believe he'd given up on a job like this ever coming up.

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

Plus, I'd wager when you factor in the booster money, the net salaries aren't much different.

Interesting.

J

I never really got this sense. His name would pop up from time to time, but I think a lot of people remember his NFL HC career and remember how mediocre he was. It doesn't help that the guy who followed him turned the Pats into what they are now. Obviously Carroll had suitors or he wouldn't have a job in Seattle, but I never really got the feeling that he could get his pick of the litter when it comes to NFL jobs. I have little doubt that the heat from the NCAAs and USC rebuilding made leaving for the NFL an easier decision than most years.

I don't know Buff. Theirs some cracks in the dam at USC, with losses mounting this year, coaches defecting, and.....the possible ramifications coming down.

He came across to me as a pretty selfish coach(few are not) especially when Sanchez went Pro and he told the world he was not ready in a less than, subtle way.....

This may very well be him getting out, ala Calipari

 

[Buffaloes]

The possible sanctions were no factor. Riiiiiggght....

The other thing that seems ludicrous to me is him expecting people to believe he'd given up on a job like this ever coming up.

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

Plus, I'd wager when you factor in the booster money, the net salaries aren't much different.

Interesting.

J

I never really got this sense. His name would pop up from time to time, but I think a lot of people remember his NFL HC career and remember how mediocre he was. It doesn't help that the guy who followed him turned the Pats into what they are now. Obviously Carroll had suitors or he wouldn't have a job in Seattle, but I never really got the feeling that he could get his pick of the litter when it comes to NFL jobs. I have little doubt that the heat from the NCAAs and USC rebuilding made leaving for the NFL an easier decision than most years.

I don't know Buff. Theirs some cracks in the dam at USC, with losses mounting this year, coaches defecting, and.....the possible ramifications coming down.

He came across to me as a pretty selfish coach(few are not) especially when Sanchez went Pro and he told the world he was not ready in a less than, subtle way.....

This may very well be him getting out, ala Calipari

I was actually agreeing that the pressure from the NCAA and USC rebuilding made it an easier decision. The only thing I disagree with is the mindset that Carroll is a HC who would have his pick of jobs in the NFL.

 

[Donnybrook]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams. No offense Seahawk fans, but this is not a premiere team or job. To expect people to believe that somehow this job just materialized and he sees it as somehow too good to be true or pass up his King of all college football West of the Mississippi all the time and King of all college football most of the time just seems laughable to me.

This begs the question: Is there a better NFL job available? I can't think of one.

 

[Joe Bryant]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

Football is "all of sports". You should know this.And disagree completely on Cowher and Gruden. Those guys are talked about because they're unemployed. Carroll was assumed to be untouchable so his name didn't come up. And love the memory span folks have. Gruden was fired by Tampa Bay. He's fun to listen to on TV so now he's Belichick. J

 

[ImTheScientist]

Is this his effort to bring in quality assistant coaches? Denying the past wrong doings as a non-factor to his background could help others in their decision to join him if they have skeletons in their closet.

No credible fan will believe him, but diehard fans will cheer the move... for now.... maybe in a few years they might look back at this and wonder.... kinda like the salary cap issue Wash encountered in recent years.

This really isn't the sentiment of Seahawk fans. Most had a strong allegiance to Mora. Mora was a Husky and local guy...this means a lot around here. People tend to not like Carroll because he coached the enemy. I would say, diehard Hawk fans are currently upset that Mora was fired, and they didn't bring back Holmgren, while credible fans are going to give him a chance to see what he can do w/ out passing judgment.ETA: There are still local people that think Mora should be the Husky head coach despite what Sark did....thats just crazy talk.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

Football is "all of sports". You should know this.And disagree completely on Cowher and Gruden. Those guys are talked about because they're unemployed. Carroll was assumed to be untouchable so his name didn't come up. And love the memory span folks have. Gruden was fired by Tampa Bay. He's fun to listen to on TV so now he's Belichick. J

I didn't say he's Belichick. But he does have a Super Bowl. And before you say he won that with someone elses players, he did build the team that was his opponent in that game.Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO. Great recruiter and great personality but underachieved with their talent. You should probably LOL at yourself putting him in BB's class.

 

[Buffaloes]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

Football is "all of sports". You should know this.And disagree completely on Cowher and Gruden. Those guys are talked about because they're unemployed. Carroll was assumed to be untouchable so his name didn't come up. And love the memory span folks have. Gruden was fired by Tampa Bay. He's fun to listen to on TV so now he's Belichick.

J

I think the guy just said he'd be a better choice than Carroll, which I agree with. By no means does that make him the next Belichick. Carroll had a great run at USC but let's not forget how mediocre he really was in the NFL. Additionally, the list of HCs who successfully make the leap from NCAA to NFL is short and while I realize Carroll was a HC in the NFL it certainly seems he was a better fit for the college game rather than the pros. We'll see how he does though

 

[Joe Bryant]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

 

[ImTheScientist]

let's not forget how mediocre he really was in the NFL

Compared to who that would have been available and wanted to go to the Seahawks?He had a .563 win percentage at NE .... is that really mediocre? He went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years there. He was fantastic in College, and certainly learned a lot there in 10 years of being a head coach. I think he is suffering from:USC haters/pac-10/east coast bias/Pats fans upset w/ their current status in the NFL.

 

[Gr00vus]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

I don't know that it means much, but I've heard Carrol wanted the Charger gig after Marty got canned but the Chargers never really considered him and went with Norv. Could be because the Chargers were never going to pay him what he wanted.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

I don't know that it means much, but I've heard Carrol wanted the Charger gig after Marty got canned but the Chargers never really considered him and went with Norv. Could be because the Chargers were never going to pay him what he wanted.

I think it's an interesting question groovus.What's your take on the better job - USC or Chargers?J

 

[ImTheScientist]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

I don't know that it means much, but I've heard Carrol wanted the Charger gig after Marty got canned but the Chargers never really considered him and went with Norv. Could be because the Chargers were never going to pay him what he wanted.

I think it's an interesting question groovus.What's your take on the better job - USC or Chargers?J

One playoff loss would have most Charger fans calling for Carroll over Norv. Funny how 11 straight wins makes Charger fans forget about the hate they had for Norv.

 

[ImTheScientist]

"Premiere Job" is in the eye of the beholder. The team talent wise is horrible. But there are many things it does have going for it that I think Carroll likes and you are not considering.

1) Richest owner in the NFL

2) Best training facilities in the NFL

3) New stadium

4) Its on the West Coast (If you live in California, Oregon, or Washington....you know how valuable #4 is)

5) #6 and #14 pick in the Draft this year

Number 4 may be difficult for many to understand, especially if you have not lived on the west coast. While Im sure potential sanctions are somewhat of an issue to him, it will not bring down USC. They have too many built in natural advantages not to continue to do well.

Seattle is a dump. Six months of rain and darkness every year. Half the population is either backwoods lumberjack wannabes or meth addicts. (sometimes both) It is no coincidence that Seattle has the highest suicide rate in the country. This is a serious step down for Pete Carroll. He may be doing it for the money. He may be doing it to get away from the NCAA sanctions. He sure as heck ain't doing it because it is a great opportunity (because it ain't)

You need to get out more.

 

[Gr00vus]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

I don't know that it means much, but I've heard Carrol wanted the Charger gig after Marty got canned but the Chargers never really considered him and went with Norv. Could be because the Chargers were never going to pay him what he wanted.

I think it's an interesting question groovus.What's your take on the better job - USC or Chargers?J

For a guy who wants total control like Carroll - definitely USC and NOT the Chargers. There are other factors too, like the Spanos's historically not breaking the bank for coaches. On the flip side SD is a fantastic place to live/work. I think most coaches would prefer the NFL job, having a franchise QB like Rivers (along with some other pretty talented guys) can only enhance that.To me Carroll leaving stinks of a rat bailing on a sinking ship, and I think the possible infractions we've heard about were just the tip of the iceberg. How did he manage to recruit all that talent year after year? Hmmmm...

 

[Gr00vus]

One playoff loss would have most Charger fans calling for Carroll over Norv.

I never wanted Carroll. I'll be surprised if he's successful in Seattle. He belongs in college. The dude has always struck me as a greasy flim flam man. I can't think of more polar opposites than Carroll and Norv.

 

[ImTheScientist]

One playoff loss would have most Charger fans calling for Carroll over Norv.

I never wanted Carroll. I'll be surprised if he's successful in Seattle. He belongs in college. The dude has always struck me as a greasy flim flam man. I can't think of more polar opposites than Carroll and Norv.

I would say 11 wins ago your opinion would have been in the charger fan minority.

 

[monkeysee]

Carroll Said Taking SEA Job Had Nothing To Do With Coming Trouble For USC

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

 

[Buffaloes]

let's not forget how mediocre he really was in the NFL

Compared to who that would have been available and wanted to go to the Seahawks?He had a .563 win percentage at NE .... is that really mediocre? He went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years there. He was fantastic in College, and certainly learned a lot there in 10 years of being a head coach. I think he is suffering from:

USC haters/pac-10/east coast bias/Pats fans upset w/ their current status in the NFL.

Well I wasn't arguing that he was a bad hire for Seattle. I'm not denigrating Seattle for the hire at all. I was questioning the sense that he's an elite HC and viewed as a top tier hire in all of football. I haven't seen any support since the OP to make me think he's viewed as a top-tier NFL HC candidate either.A lifetime 33-31 W/L record and .563 winning % in NE is pretty mediocre imo.

I don't fit in any of the bolded categories btw.

 

[Gr00vus]

One playoff loss would have most Charger fans calling for Carroll over Norv.

I never wanted Carroll. I'll be surprised if he's successful in Seattle. He belongs in college. The dude has always struck me as a greasy flim flam man. I can't think of more polar opposites than Carroll and Norv.

I would say 11 wins ago your opinion would have been in the charger fan minority.

Maybe, but even then your statement would more accurately read "most charger fans calling for anybody over Norv." And in that situation guys like Cowher, Gruden, even Shanahan were mentioned waaayyyy more often than Carroll. 11 wins ago I was questioning Norv myself, and at no time did I entertain the idea that Carroll would be an improvement.

 

[ImTheScientist]

let's not forget how mediocre he really was in the NFL

Compared to who that would have been available and wanted to go to the Seahawks?He had a .563 win percentage at NE .... is that really mediocre? He went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years there. He was fantastic in College, and certainly learned a lot there in 10 years of being a head coach. I think he is suffering from:

USC haters/pac-10/east coast bias/Pats fans upset w/ their current status in the NFL.

Well I wasn't arguing that he was a bad hire for Seattle. I'm not denigrating Seattle for the hire at all. I was questioning the sense that he's an elite HC and viewed as a top tier hire in all of football. I haven't seen any support since the OP to make me think he's viewed as a top-tier NFL HC candidate either.A lifetime 33-31 W/L record and .563 winning % in NE is pretty mediocre imo.

I don't fit in any of the bolded categories btw.

The only top-tier potential NFL coach that there is would be Bill Cohwer, and Im not sure he is actually available (and even if he was I think he has his eye on one job, and is just waiting for it to come available ...not sure what it is). Of the candidates that the Seahawks had a chance at getting I think Carroll was the best man for the job. A first time head coach would be a disaster on the current team. Mora had no respect from the players....imagine what would happen to a first time coach. So who else is out there that would be a better fit for that team? "true top tier" nfl coaches are locked into their current coaching jobs. Carroll is a top tier HC candidate in the sense that he is the best person available on a list of potential people.

 

[squistion]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

Football is "all of sports". You should know this.And disagree completely on Cowher and Gruden. Those guys are talked about because they're unemployed. Carroll was assumed to be untouchable so his name didn't come up. And love the memory span folks have. Gruden was fired by Tampa Bay. He's fun to listen to on TV so now he's Belichick.

J

I didn't say he's Belichick. But he does have a Super Bowl. And before you say he won that with someone elses players, he did build the team that was his opponent in that game.Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO. Great recruiter and great personality but underachieved with their talent. You should probably LOL at yourself putting him in BB's class.

Which arguably was why Gruden was able to beat them, he knew them better than anyone else and had an advatage no other coach facing the Raiders would have had.

 

[ImTheScientist]

One playoff loss would have most Charger fans calling for Carroll over Norv.

I never wanted Carroll. I'll be surprised if he's successful in Seattle. He belongs in college. The dude has always struck me as a greasy flim flam man. I can't think of more polar opposites than Carroll and Norv.

I would say 11 wins ago your opinion would have been in the charger fan minority.

Maybe, but even then your statement would more accurately read "most charger fans calling for anybody over Norv." And in that situation guys like Cowher, Gruden, even Shanahan were mentioned waaayyyy more often than Carroll. 11 wins ago I was questioning Norv myself, and at no time did I entertain the idea that Carroll would be an improvement.

I guess we really don't agree on that list. Had people in the media known that Carroll was available I think they would have mentioned him with that list. I also think Gruden and Shanahan are just recycled NFL trash. Do people not remember how Gruden was in Tampa the seasons following his FIRING? If Gruden is so good why is he not in tampa still?On that list the only person I would rate above Carroll would be Cowher.

 

[Buffaloes]

let's not forget how mediocre he really was in the NFL

Compared to who that would have been available and wanted to go to the Seahawks?He had a .563 win percentage at NE .... is that really mediocre? He went to the playoffs 2 out of 3 years there. He was fantastic in College, and certainly learned a lot there in 10 years of being a head coach. I think he is suffering from:

USC haters/pac-10/east coast bias/Pats fans upset w/ their current status in the NFL.

Well I wasn't arguing that he was a bad hire for Seattle. I'm not denigrating Seattle for the hire at all. I was questioning the sense that he's an elite HC and viewed as a top tier hire in all of football. I haven't seen any support since the OP to make me think he's viewed as a top-tier NFL HC candidate either.A lifetime 33-31 W/L record and .563 winning % in NE is pretty mediocre imo.

I don't fit in any of the bolded categories btw.

The only top-tier potential NFL coach that there is would be Bill Cohwer, and Im not sure he is actually available (and even if he was I think he has his eye on one job, and is just waiting for it to come available ...not sure what it is). Of the candidates that the Seahawks had a chance at getting I think Carroll was the best man for the job. A first time head coach would be a disaster on the current team. Mora had no respect from the players....imagine what would happen to a first time coach. So who else is out there that would be a better fit for that team? "true top tier" nfl coaches are locked into their current coaching jobs. Carroll is a top tier HC candidate in the sense that he is the best person available on a list of potential people.

I won't disagree that he was a good hire for the Seahawks but like I said I don't view him as the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick and I certainly don't think that he could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up especially considering Shanahan was just scooped up so quickly by the Redskins. I think if Carroll was viewed as the elite guy, the Redskins would have done their due diligence and we would have heard about a meeting between Snyder and Carroll. Maybe I'm wrong. I will agree that he's probably bailing due to his current situation with both NCAA and USC rebuilding. But it was even conceded in the OP that Seattle may not be the best job the NFL has to offer. Again, I'm not denigrating the hire. I just don't see him as the hottest coach (aside from BB) in all of sports let alone football.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

We were done when you said Pete Carroll was the hottest coach not named Belicheck.

 

[hauser42]

Carroll is a coward. He doesnt want the face the tough times coming to USC. Even he was not involved recruiting is going to take a dive and he is on the first ship out of town.

Wish the best to Seahawk fans because they are loyal fans deserve to see a winner in the Pacific northwest. Mora only getting one year is totally BS, but the man with the money can do what he wants.

 

[Gr00vus]

I guess we really don't agree on that list.

It's not my list - just who I saw mentioned. I've got to believe there's a larger pool of HC talent than just those names - look at how well guys like Whisenhunt and Ryan have done who weren't long discussed HC candidates.

I also think Gruden and Shanahan are just recycled NFL trash....On that list the only person I would rate above Carroll would be Cowher.

Shanahan has a lifetime .598 winning percentage over 16 years in the NFL. Gruden has a .540 over 11 years. Carroll has a .516 over 4 years.I think calling Shanahan and Gruden recycled trash while pimping Carroll is ill advised.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

We were done when you said Pete Carroll was the hottest coach not named Belicheck.

J

 

[ImTheScientist]

I guess we really don't agree on that list.

It's not my list - just who I saw mentioned. I've got to believe there's a larger pool of HC talent than just those names - look at how well guys like Whisenhunt and Ryan have done who weren't long discussed HC candidates.

I also think Gruden and Shanahan are just recycled NFL trash....On that list the only person I would rate above Carroll would be Cowher.

Shanahan has a lifetime .598 winning percentage over 16 years in the NFL. Gruden has a .540 over 11 years. Carroll has a .516 over 4 years.I think calling Shanahan and Gruden recycled trash while pimping Carroll is ill advised.

I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Sweet Love]

He's Pete Carrroll. He's the hottest coach in all of sports outside of Belichick. He could write this ticket for just about any NFL job when it came up. Including the premiere teams.

That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports"

Football is "all of sports". You should know this.And disagree completely on Cowher and Gruden. Those guys are talked about because they're unemployed. Carroll was assumed to be untouchable so his name didn't come up. And love the memory span folks have. Gruden was fired by Tampa Bay. He's fun to listen to on TV so now he's Belichick.

J

I didn't say he's Belichick. But he does have a Super Bowl. And before you say he won that with someone elses players, he did build the team that was his opponent in that game.Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO. Great recruiter and great personality but underachieved with their talent. You should probably LOL at yourself putting him in BB's class.

Which arguably was why Gruden was able to beat them, he knew them better than anyone else and had an advatage no other coach facing the Raiders would have had.

I think the point Wreck was trying to make is that you can't call Gruden a "coat tails" winner...He either won with Tampa (although many want to say it was Dungy's team) or he beat the team he built in the SB...either way you cut it, he is a SB coach.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

We were done when you said Pete Carroll was the hottest coach not named Belicheck.

J

Is that seriously the best retort you have? A laughing symbol is your justification for saying Carroll is a hotter NFL coaching prospect than Cowher? Gruden? You're better than this. I think.

 

[Saints-Man]

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"Premiere Job" is in the eye of the beholder. The team talent wise is horrible. But there are many things it does have going for it that I think Carroll likes and you are not considering.

1) Richest owner in the NFL

2) Best training facilities in the NFL

3) New stadium

4) Its on the West Coast (If you live in California, Oregon, or Washington....you know how valuable #4 is)

5) #6 and #14 pick in the Draft this year

Number 4 may be difficult for many to understand, especially if you have not lived on the west coast. While Im sure potential sanctions are somewhat of an issue to him, it will not bring down USC. They have too many built in natural advantages not to continue to do well.

I don't live on the west coast, but #4 is easy for me to understand. The geography lends itself to a certain culture, and if you become accustomed and like that culture, then you want to stay in it. This is no different than someone wanting to stay on the east coast, the southeast, midwest, etc.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

I think the point Wreck was trying to make is that you can't call Gruden a "coat tails" winner...He either won with Tampa (although many want to say it was Dungy's team) or he beat the team he built in the SB...either way you cut it, he is a SB coach.

Exactly what I was saying.... thanks.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Carroll was a mediocre coach at SC, IMO.

I think we're done here.J

We were done when you said Pete Carroll was the hottest coach not named Belicheck.

J

Is that seriously the best retort you have? A laughing symbol is your justification for saying Carroll is a hotter NFL coaching prospect than Cowher? Gruden? You're better than this. I think.

Your OP was ridiculous calling Carroll a mediocre coach. You don't deserve an honest well thought response. Fish somewhere else.

 

[aerolaw]

Carroll Said Taking SEA Job Had Nothing To Do With Coming Trouble For USCRiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

nick saban (circa 2006) "all right,I'll say it...i will not be the Coach at the University of Alabama."

 

[Mapmaker]

Another other thing I don't get - People talking about Carroll as if he completely failed in the Pros. He was 33-31 and made the playoffs with 2 of his four teams. I don't see it all like he got spanked in the NFL. He went to the NFL, was a slightly better than average coach, and found that his personality / gifts / talents / whatever were a much better fit in the NFL. That's not failing. That's finding out what you do best. J

I'd tend to disagree in principal ... with the notion that he was a success in the NFL ... in 94 with the Jets he was a woeful 6-10 ... he was promptly fired.His return to Head Coach duties came 2 seasons later taking over a Bill Parcells built AFC Championship Team in 97... his 3 seasons with the Pats saw the team post progressively poorer records, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 ... and he was then fired by Kraft.So in reality sure he had a winning record but I'd believe it was achieved more from attrition than anything else.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Carroll Said Taking SEA Job Had Nothing To Do With Coming Trouble For USCRiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

nick saban (circa 2006) "all right,I'll say it...i will not be the Coach at the University of Alabama."

Im sure Alabama is upset over those comments.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Your OP was ridiculous calling Carroll a mediocre coach. You don't deserve an honest well thought response. Fish somewhere else.

This.J

 

[Joe Bryant]

Another other thing I don't get - People talking about Carroll as if he completely failed in the Pros. He was 33-31 and made the playoffs with 2 of his four teams. I don't see it all like he got spanked in the NFL. He went to the NFL, was a slightly better than average coach, and found that his personality / gifts / talents / whatever were a much better fit in the NFL. That's not failing. That's finding out what you do best. J

I'd tend to disagree in principal ... with the notion that he was a success in the NFL ... in 94 with the Jets he was a woeful 6-10 ... he was promptly fired.His return to Head Coach duties came 2 seasons later taking over a Bill Parcells built AFC Championship Team in 97... his 3 seasons with the Pats saw the team post progressively poorer records, 10-6, 9-7, 8-8 ... and he was then fired by Kraft.So in reality sure he had a winning record but I'd believe it was achieved more from attrition than anything else.

I said he was a slightly better than average coach going 33-31 and making the playoffs 2 out of 4 tries. J

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Your OP was ridiculous calling Carroll a mediocre coach. You don't deserve an honest well thought response. Fish somewhere else.

My original post was "That's crazy talk. I think you could argue he's not even the hottest college coach. Darn sure not bigger than Cowher or probably Gruden either. That's just football without considering "all of sports""

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Your OP was ridiculous calling Carroll a mediocre coach. You don't deserve an honest well thought response. Fish somewhere else.

This.J

Give me a break. Wasn't even my original post. Mediocre was too strong of a word but I seriously think he underachieved at SC based on the level of talent he purchased there compared to the talent he played against. I'll say this.... he's closer to mediocre than he is to either Belicheck or Cowher. Do you have any facts to state why he's the second hottest coach in all of sports? Other than a stupid smiley face?