Carson Palmer is Overranked This Week (1 Viewer)

[LHUCKS]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

 

[The Gator]

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[Steeler07]

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

Considering they've only faced 1 good offense who happens to be struggling that's a premature conclusion. While the Bengals will lose, I don't see Palmer having less than 350 yards and 2-3 TDs.

 

[enfuego]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

Good call. On the flip side, I see Matt Schaub ranked too low (mid-20's). I understand the Texans have injury concerns, but the Falcons are not very good.

 

[Saint]

The pats do have a great Defense. No disagreement there; however with a lack of running game the Bengals are going to have to throw and throw often. I think Palmer is going to have some high numbers because they have to make the throws. Definitely 1 TD at least and 250 yds... Kenny Watson may have some carries, but I expect him to be out of commission by the second quarter because 1) the Pats shut down the run and 2) they are behind by 2 TDs.

 

[The Ref]

Fair point, but who in my right mind am I going to start in front of him thats on my bench or on the wire at this point in the year?

 

[Reservoir Dog]

NE 37

Cincy 20

Tom Brady - 300 yds 3 TDs

L.Maroney - 90 yds 1 TD

Randy Moss - 130 yds 2TD's

W.Welker - 80 yds 1 TD

Carson Palmer - 250 yds 2 TD's

Kenny Watson - 60 yds

Chad Johnson - 100 yds 1 TD

Houshmandzadeh - 80 yds 1 TD

 

[cubbie5150]

I also have the feeling Palmer will not be impressive this week, but as stated above, no owner who has him has the stones to ever bench him barring injury....or, at least I don't have the stones to do so. I drafted him for a reason, & there's no way Trent Green will start for me over Palmer......ever.

 

[Gbagzz]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

I could be wrong but didn't Pennington pass for 2 TDs against the pats? The Jets, Bills and Chargers dont have much a passing attack... the Bengals are one of the top teams in the league regarding HIGH LEVEL talent at QB and WR. Not sure if everyones been watching the Bengals but once Palmer gets a rhythem going with CJ and Housh they're virtually impossible to stop. It looks almost effortless.They scored on the Ravens and I think they're defense is comparable if not better than the Pats. Both defenses will give up some big plays in the 4th quarter.

I think Palmer is ranked accordingly.

Just my opinion. This is just from me watching games... I'm not much of a stat guy

 

[Gbagzz]

The pats do have a great Defense. No disagreement there; however with a lack of running game the Bengals are going to have to throw and throw often. I think Palmer is going to have some high numbers because they have to make the throws. Definitely 1 TD at least and 250 yds... Kenny Watson may have some carries, but I expect him to be out of commission by the second quarter because 1) the Pats shut down the run and 2) they are behind by 2 TDs.

I think HUcks is just saying, temper your expectations. Palmer is not benchable. Once you get into the habit of playing the matchups with your studs.... jeeeez.... lets just say it's a very slippery slope.

 

[Chase Stuart]

How many attempts do you project for Palmer this week?

(If you're up to it, how many sacks allowed, QB rushes and RB rushes do you have projected, as well)

 

[LHUCKS]

Fair point, but who in my right mind am I going to start in front of him thats on my bench or on the wire at this point in the year?

I'm not saying bench him, I'm simply stating he's overranked.

 

[Assani Fisher]

I also have the feeling Palmer will not be impressive this week, but as stated above, no owner who has him has the stones to ever bench him barring injury....or, at least I don't have the stones to do so. I drafted him for a reason, & there's no way Trent Green will start for me over Palmer......ever.

Ranking Palmer or bothering to discuss his ranking is a moot point because if you spent a 3rd round pick on him, you're starting him unless hes injured.

 

[Steeler07]

Can anyone honestly say Palmer wont finish in the top 5 in pass attempts this week? That, together with his talent and WR duo make him a lock for top 5 numbers in my book.

 

[LHUCKS]

Can anyone honestly say Palmer wont finish in the top 5 in pass attempts this week? That, together with his talent and WR duo make him a lock for top 5 numbers in my book.

 

[TwinTurbo]

LHUCKS is like the contrarian indicator of fantasy football prognostication. If LHUCKS says to sell, then you buy. And if LHUCKS says to sell a former Pac-10 Heisman trophy winner, then you definitely BUY!

Palmer played poorly in last year's game vs. NE because he was under constant pressure and was hit repeatedly. He was sacked 4 times and fumbled twice which setup a couple Patriot TDs that turned it into a blowout. I think he should have better protection this time around. And unlike last year when the Bengals suffered the letdown after the big win against the Steelers, this year they will be more focused against the best team in the league. I like Palmer this week. I think his floor is 275 yds and 2 TDs.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

LHUCKS is like the contrarian indicator of fantasy football prognostication. If LHUCKS says to sell, then you buy. And if LHUCKS says to sell a former Pac-10 Heisman trophy winner, then you definitely BUY!Palmer played poorly in last year's game vs. NE because he was under constant pressure and was hit repeatedly. He was sacked 4 times and fumbled twice which setup a couple Patriot TDs that turned it into a blowout. I think he should have better protection this time around. And unlike last year when the Bengals suffered the letdown after the big win against the Steelers, this year they will be more focused against the best team in the league. I like Palmer this week. I think his floor is 275 yds and 2 TDs.

I think NE is the only dominant defense in the NFL. NE has ZERO rushing threat to worry about and I think Palmer throws 3 INt's as NE will be able to show multiple formations and confuse the heck out of Palmer. I'm not going to say he isn't going to throw a TD pass but he certainly isn't going to put up the kind of numbers he has in the past few weeks.If you asked me is he going to finish top 5 this week in fantasy stats for QB, my answer would be NO, he will not.

 

[nyftbl_giants]

the pats offense will stop palmer from a big day. once they get their desired # they'll control the ball the whole second half with maroney,morris and the short passing game

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Key point.How will Watson perform, basically, how will the entire running game hold up against the Pats defense? Personally, not well, I think, which means they will have to throw more. Add to that a defense that is playing below average, I think it's safe to say the Bengals will have to air it out against the Pats.I expect Palmer's numbers to look similar to this: 320 yards, 3 TD, 3 INT

 

[Raiders Fan]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

What's scary is Indy facing Denver who has avg only 83YPG against the pass. Too me that would be more of a story. The best QB vs the best ### D YTD.. While the Pats are 2nd they are almost 50YPG back. I expect Palmer to struggle also.. Lots of rankings are by name alone. It took 3 straight weeks to knock LJ off the top 10.. Now they are catching on he will struggle early this year. This is why I take projections with a grain of salt. Do your own research and you won't need anybody else.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

I disagree. The Bengals defense is so bad and they're clearly not going to stop NE this week. The Bengals only chance is to outscore the Pats. I think that Palmer will make some mistakes but NE will score so much and so quickly that Palmer is going to get a lot of chances to throw the ball and if you give a guy that good enough chances, he'll put up points, plain and simple. The Pats defense is awesome, no doubt but they're weaker vs the pass than the run IMO. This will be by far the most potent passing attack they'll have faced this year.

With regards to Rudi Johnson being out, that may actually help the passing game. Watson is a much better receiver out of the backfield than Johnson. Besides, what has Rudi done in the last 2 years against a good defense that makes you think he would have been a factor at all in this game?

Palmer finishes top 5 this week.

 

[stbugs]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

What's scary is Indy facing Denver who has avg only 83YPG against the pass. Too me that would be more of a story. The best QB vs the best ### D YTD.. While the Pats are 2nd they are almost 50YPG back. I expect Palmer to struggle also.. Lots of rankings are by name alone. It took 3 straight weeks to knock LJ off the top 10.. Now they are catching on he will struggle early this year. This is why I take projections with a grain of salt. Do your own research and you won't need anybody else.

Denver's pass defense could also be like the Colts pass defense last year. Their running defenses were so bad that their stats looked better pass wise. I wish I could remember the game last year, but I had no worries about starting a WR (might have been Andre Johnson, not sure) against them and that WR did well. Whichever team it was had no trouble passing on Indy last year as I thought even though the pass defense stats looked so awesome. New England has a great run defense, so people aren't choosing to run more because they can.Denver may very well have the best passing defense, but don't you think it is impressive that the Pats, who have scored 38 points per game and were way ahead of their opponents every week, have the #2 pass defense? Wouldn't you expect the other team, down by so much to just be gunslinging to try and get back into the game? Even though it may cause more interceptions, you would think that there would be more garbage passing yards.

 

[stbugs]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

I could be wrong but didn't Pennington pass for 2 TDs against the pats? The Jets, Bills and Chargers dont have much a passing attack... the Bengals are one of the top teams in the league regarding HIGH LEVEL talent at QB and WR. Not sure if everyones been watching the Bengals but once Palmer gets a rhythem going with CJ and Housh they're virtually impossible to stop. It looks almost effortless.They scored on the Ravens and I think they're defense is comparable if not better than the Pats. Both defenses will give up some big plays in the 4th quarter.

I think Palmer is ranked accordingly.

Just my opinion. This is just from me watching games... I'm not much of a stat guy

How soon we forget. Rivers was #8, Pennington #15 and Losman #18 last year in my league. Sure, the Bills have regressed, but maybe the Chargers look worse because they have played NE, Chicago and GB, all of whom could finish in the top 10 defensively. Pennington with Coles and Cotchery, is not a bad passing game. It isn't like NE has faced Minnesota every week.

 

[LHUCKS]

the pats offense will stop palmer from a big day. once they get their desired # they'll control the ball the whole second half with maroney,morris and the short passing game

I actually think the Pats will use this strategy from the outset...why would they want to get into a shootout with a team that wants to shoot it out??

 

[Limp Ditka]

How many attempts do you project for Palmer this week?(If you're up to it, how many sacks allowed, QB rushes and RB rushes do you have projected, as well)

I love how our resident simpleton avoids questions like this.

 

[LHUCKS]

How many attempts do you project for Palmer this week?(If you're up to it, how many sacks allowed, QB rushes and RB rushes do you have projected, as well)

I love how our resident simpleton avoids questions like this.

:11:

 

[Sleeper 43]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

If Rudi is out and they get 5-6 consecutive 3 and outs because of the Pats D, you don't think Carson Palmer / Chad Johnson and Housh can put together over 250 yards an at least 1 TDs?Carson's attempts I predict will be in the mid 50's. Their at home Monday night, you wont need to worry about how inspired they are.

 

[Limp Ditka]

How many attempts do you project for Palmer this week?(If you're up to it, how many sacks allowed, QB rushes and RB rushes do you have projected, as well)

I love how our resident simpleton avoids questions like this.

:11:

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

 

[LHUCKS]

If Rudi is out and they get 5-6 consecutive 3 and outs because of the Pats D, you don't think Carson Palmer / Chad Johnson and Housh can put together over 250 yards an at least 1 TDs?

Sure, but many sites have Palmer ranked in the top 3 this week and almost all of them have him in the top 5...250/1 wont get you there.

Carson's attempts I predict will be in the mid 50's.

Uhhh, yeah....I'll take the under. Clevelend was the ultimate shootout game and he made it to 50 even...and that's Cleveland. That game had a lot of unique attributes that allowed for the Bengals to continuously get the ball(lots of quick TDs)

 

[LHUCKS]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions. (I have both Kitna and Palmer in a league)

 

[Limp Ditka]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

 

[LHUCKS]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. :( And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

 

[LHUCKS]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. :X And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

:( Talk to Dodds

Talk to pretty much everybody...

 

[Sleeper 43]

If Rudi is out and they get 5-6 consecutive 3 and outs because of the Pats D, you don't think Carson Palmer / Chad Johnson and Housh can put together over 250 yards an at least 1 TDs?

Sure, but many sites have Palmer ranked in the top 3 this week and almost all of them have him in the top 5...250/1 wont get you there.

Carson's attempts I predict will be in the mid 50's.

Uhhh, yeah....I'll take the under. Clevelend was the ultimate shootout game and he made it to 50 even...and that's Cleveland. That game that had a lot of unique attributes that allowed for the Bengals to continuously get the ball(lots of quick TDs)

I'm just trying to tell you they'll at least exceed your expectations. Personally I'm expecting 275-300 yards and 2-3 TDs , enough for top3 QB play, I doubt it, but he will be a good start if you own him. You gotta think most wont have a comparable option after Palmer anyway.

I'll stand by the 50+ attempts though, Unless you think they plan to have Watson carry the load.

 

[LHUCKS]

I'll stand by the 50+ attempts though,

:( , nothing wrong with a projection...we'll see how it turns out. Thanks for putting out a ballsy projection. :X

Unless you think they plan to have Watson carry the load.

So, in your opinion, the only way Palmer doesn't meet your expectations is if "Watson carrys the load?"

 

[eom]

palmer gets knocked out in the second quarter.

 

[Pound]

Palmer is going against me this week.. so that pretty much guarantees he's going to have a monster game. =)

 

[LHUCKS]

palmer gets knocked out in the second quarter.

Interesting you should say that, with no real rushing threat you can guarantee the Pats D will be keying on the pass...Palmer will take some hits for certain.

 

[pizzatyme]

While Palmer may be "overranked", he is no worse than a 12 ranking this week. And since most owners won't have 2 of the top 12 ranked QBs on any given week to choose from, he is still an obvious starter.

Rankings are subjective. Palmer will perform like a top 12 QB this week.

 

[LHUCKS]

While Palmer may be "overranked", he is no worse than a 12 ranking this week. And since most owners won't have 2 of the top 12 ranked QBs on any given week to choose from, he is still an obvious starter.

Agreed...I'm simply saying he's overranked this week.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Denver may very well have the best passing defense, but don't you think it is impressive that the Pats, who have scored 38 points per game and were way ahead of their opponents every week, have the #2 pass defense? Wouldn't you expect the other team, down by so much to just be gunslinging to try and get back into the game? Even though it may cause more interceptions, you would think that there would be more garbage passing yards.

You might think that, except not many teams have passed on NE this year. They rank in the top quarter of the league in fewest pass attempts seen this year.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

Please do not piss in the Shark Pool. Thanks.

 

[zoonation]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45

325 yds

3 TD

2 Pick

Step up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

classic.

why are you so insecure?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master debater

 

[millerarm]

A) Last year Palmer passed for 245 yards and zero TDs against a lesser Patriot defense

B) The Pats are by far and away the best defense in the NFL thus far allowing only 207 yards per game

C) The Bengals are coming off an uninspiring performance agains the Seahawks

D) Rudi Johnson is out

Why are people ranking Palmer in their top 5 starts this week?

Thanks for "the warning" donk.

 

[LHUCKS]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

Please do not piss in the Shark Pool. Thanks.

Uhhh...guy just called me a simpleton in post #25 which is why I quoted "simpleton"....perhaps you're looking at the wrong guy???

 

[LHUCKS]

You might think that, except not many teams have passed on NE this year.

The Patriots have allowed the second least passing yards this year (133 per game.) LINK

 

[Limp Ditka]

Then answer the question. You're making the prediction. You must have some numbers you think Palmer is likely to put up.

I'm pretty sure I'll do what I want to do in my thread. And yes I've projected for Palmer, I project for all of my tough WDIS decisions.

CP29-45325 yds3 TD2 PickStep up, son. Put some numbers out there.

A) I'm a master at generating discussion, you are notB) I project ranges, not static values...projecting static values is for "simpletons"

Please do not piss in the Shark Pool. Thanks.

Uhhh...guy just called me a simpleton a few post before this one which is why I quoted "simpleton"....perhaps you're looking at the wrong guy???

Perhaps you should answer the man's request

 

[LHUCKS]

Perhaps you should answer the man's request

In due time

 

[Limp Ditka]

Perhaps you should answer the man's request

In due time