Carson Palmer: When do we move on for 2011? (1 Viewer)

[FavreAndAwayAnIdiot]

ESPN:

"Owner Mike Brown said on Tuesday that he won't satisfy the quarterback's request for a trade. Brown says that a trade would reward Palmer for failing to play out the rest of his contract. Instead, they'll let him go ahead with his plan to retire rather than play for the Bengals."

If you're counting on Palmer as your QB2 in fantasy football this year, when do you decide to move on and drop him until 2012? Is it still too early?

 

[QuizGuy66]

If you have options that will actually play, I'd get rid of him. As a Bengals fan I know that Mikey Boy is nothing if not stubborn. Palmer will be a good pick in insurance salesman and car dealer drafts though.

-QG

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If you have options that will actually play, I'd get rid of him. As a Bengals fan I know that Mikey Boy is nothing if not stubborn. Palmer will be a good pick in insurance salesman and car dealer drafts though.-QG

Doubt that, since he has about $50 MM in the bank.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

If you have options that will actually play, I'd get rid of him. As a Bengals fan I know that Mikey Boy is nothing if not stubborn. Palmer will be a good pick in insurance salesman and car dealer drafts though.-QG

Maybe selling insurance to large corporations. Carson can make plenty of money just being Carson Palmer, and not doing much more than that.I'm taking Horseface Elway in the Car Dealer Drafts though and will smoke the opposition!

 

[ChuckLiddell]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

 

[QuizGuy66]

If you have options that will actually play, I'd get rid of him. As a Bengals fan I know that Mikey Boy is nothing if not stubborn. Palmer will be a good pick in insurance salesman and car dealer drafts though.-QG

Maybe selling insurance to large corporations. Carson can make plenty of money just being Carson Palmer, and not doing much more than that.I'm taking Horseface Elway in the Car Dealer Drafts though and will smoke the opposition!

Still a better pick in car dealer or insurance leagues. Even with all the money he has you need a hobby or two. Of course perhaps he could invest all those $ to build up his baby bro's RunPee empire.Brad Benson is a good sleeper in car dealer leagues, btw.Anyhow, my point of course was that I really think he won't be playing in the NFL at least this year.-QG

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

When he files his retirement paper

 

[sihaokills]

Goin to drop him right now

 

[QuizGuy66]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

 

[David Dodds]

I see Carson filing retirement papers and then resurfacing after missing a year. I don't see Mike Brown trading him even though he will leave and get nothing for him.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

Great point. I would not cut him. I dont think this story has played out just yet.

 

[cheese]

I see Carson filing retirement papers and then resurfacing after missing a year. I don't see Mike Brown trading him even though he will leave and get nothing for him.

So if you don't like your long-term contract, you can just sit out a year of it and become a free agent?

 

[Joe Summer]

I see Carson filing retirement papers and then resurfacing after missing a year. I don't see Mike Brown trading him even though he will leave and get nothing for him.

Brown will "get" a savings of $50 million dollars if Palmer retires (Palmer is under contract for the next 4 seasons at ~$12M/season). Brown probably doesn't care about whatever draft picks he could get for Palmer, because those picks would just represent more salaries that Brown would have to pay.The worst thing for Mike Brown is to keep a disgruntled Carson Palmer on his bench. Too bad Carson Palmer doesn't see that.

 

[golfguy]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.

palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

 

[eakfootball]

I'm not dropping him unless it is a very shallow league.

 

[Patsfan39]

I have him in a 12 team 2QB league. I won't drop him until the retirement papers are filed, and week 1 comes.

But if I had him in just a 1QB league, and I had other decent options, I'd probably be getting rid of him right now.

 

[GregR_2]

I see Carson filing retirement papers and then resurfacing after missing a year. I don't see Mike Brown trading him even though he will leave and get nothing for him.

So if you don't like your long-term contract, you can just sit out a year of it and become a free agent?

I think he'd still be under contract. You have to be report by I believe it's week 10 or it doesn't count as a year on your contract.

 

[Hoosier16]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

As long as the Bengals don't cut him, I'd think he would count against the cap. As long as he doesn't report, the Bengals don't have to pay him. Is this a way for Mike Brown to get around the cap floor?

 

[GregR_2]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

As long as the Bengals don't cut him, I'd think he would count against the cap. As long as he doesn't report, the Bengals don't have to pay him. Is this a way for Mike Brown to get around the cap floor?

Not positive here but my best guess is that he would count towards the cap in 2011, but then if he didn't play at all this year the Bengals would receive a credit for that amount added on to their 2012 cap. Not sure how it would affect the cash floor. It might be that it's ok as long as the league as a whole spends enough cash? Or it might work like the salary cap and increase their cash floor next year? Hard to say.

 

[QuizGuy66]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

As long as the Bengals don't cut him, I'd think he would count against the cap. As long as he doesn't report, the Bengals don't have to pay him. Is this a way for Mike Brown to get around the cap floor?

Yeah, looking at it more, the Bengals probably can work a strategy for 2011. This PFT article explains that the Bengals don't have to worry about reaching the cap floor until the end of season. So, for example, they can extend Leon Hall later on in the year and that salary would allow them to make the floor in 2011 if Palmer never shows up. Palmer doesn't count right now (he'll be on the non-reported list). I agree with the PFT conclusion that he'll probably be out a year and then they'll trade him ahead of '12 probably.

Theoretically, Carson could try to force the issue and show up now for camp, but they'll just keep him on the roster then.

-QG

 

[cheese]

I see Carson filing retirement papers and then resurfacing after missing a year. I don't see Mike Brown trading him even though he will leave and get nothing for him.

So if you don't like your long-term contract, you can just sit out a year of it and become a free agent?

I think he'd still be under contract. You have to be report by I believe it's week 10 or it doesn't count as a year on your contract.

Thanks. Even if it somehow counted for 1 year of his contract, it certainly wouldn't count for the next 4. This is a strange case because almost always we are having this discussion who have 1 year left, not 4.ETA: I'm trying to figure out what scenerio David is suggesting where Palmer resurfaces next year, but the Bengals get nothing for him.

 

[Clifford]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

Genius. Please send this to his agent.

 

[NinerK]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

Chad Ochocinco is due $6MM this season. Let's see Mike Brown honor that one.

 

[NinerK]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

Chad Ochocinco is due $6MM this season. Let's see Mike Brown honor that one.

Exactly. Also, I'm sure that when Palmer signed said contract, he made the reasonable assumption that the Bengals would be employing and fielding a team of you know, football players; not a bunch of dudes fresh out of or on their way to jail.

 

[cheese]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

Sorta. They're saying if Palmer is going to sign a contract and then walk out on it, don't expect any favors. The Bengals do cut players. They don't cut players, terminate their contract, and then ask them to only sign with NFC West teams.Still, lets be honest about the situation. What Palmer is doing is very damaging to the franchise in every way. Of course at least some of it is personal/revenge by Brown. Otherwise, he would trade him simply for football reasons.

 

[Joe Summer]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.

palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

It's an apples vs. oranges comparison.The Bengals have the right to cut a player in the middle of a contract (and not pay him) -- just like Carson Palmer has the right to quit playing in the middle of a contract (and not get paid). That's just the way NFL contracts are structured. It's not Cincinnati's fault or Carson Palmer's fault that the CBA is built that way.

Also, keep in mind that Mike Brown hasn't said that Palmer "should honor" the contract; he only said that he won't "reward" Palmer for walking away.

 

[Catbird]

I have no inside information, but from what I have tried to read between the lines, I think Palmer has been a class guy under low class management for years. He has occassionately been outspoken on players not doing their part or showing up late, but otherwise has been the good soldier. He steps forward and takes the blame for losses and happily shares the credit for success. He nearly always praises his teammates play.

I think he doesn't believe in the coach and hasn't for several years. I think he had something of an agreement or understanding with Brown, after several years of frustration, that if the Bengals didn't turn it completely around in '10 they would change coaches. Unfortunately for Palmer, they did seem to turn it around for that season and Brown re-hired Lewis. When the turn-around proved itself to be mostly illusory, but Brown stuck with Lewis, I think is was too much for Palmer who seees his career never going anywhere with this coaching staff. I don't think Palmer can stand to come back and give it his all, taking the hits he does, without believing they have a chance to win or even play to their potential. Even with this, Palmer has almost never taken his criticism (okay, maybe his frustration in a couple of mild comments) to the press. He doesn't point fingers and doesn't complain or make the organizatin look bad. Even now, feeling he has no other choice but to retire, he didn't blow up, blame in public or make this some huge, critical announcement (although I think few players so frustrated would have held thier tongue).

That Brown would punish Palmer instead of choosing to reward him with a gracious release after his long years in a horrible situation, or better yet trade him for value so nothing whatsoever is lost to the team in the situation is beyond me. It speaks of just how classless the owner really is. Brown may rightly fear other players will do the same, but none have nearly similar situations nor have served as face of the franchise for so long. Beyond that, I can only assume its Brown's petty, vindicative anger at Palmer for not believing in how Brown runs the team.

 

[Shutout]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

Exactly! That part really got me this morning when I read it. Mike brown makes a statement about how carson "Made a promise" "gave his word". Man, if you are going to stand behind that shield, it better be a two way street and we know, of course, that its far from it.As if the Bengals weren't pitiful enough, I think this will hurt the Bengals in spades because if I were a player ever thinking about signing with the Bengals (drafted or FA), I would be remembering this VERY well. IF NFL contracts were guaranteed, I would have no problem with Brown but when its routine that contracts are basically year to year and teams can rethink their position at any time, then I think the players ought to be able to also within reason. I'm with the guys that said he should just show up and collect his millions. If this were a guy making a really good salary and just being greedy and asking for absurd money it would be different but all Palmer is saying is "I have had enough of this foolishness and would like to just go somewhere else". Sure, Palmer is a wealthy man but Brown is meesing with his VERY SHORT career and that sucks. It would be incredibly frustrating to know that you can make $10M a year...but ONLY for the next couple of years...and then you have 50-60 years of your life to make what you earned last.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Palmer should agree to be on the team and since he has so much money he can donate the $12m a year to any number of NFL charities.

 

[NinerK]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.

palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

It's an apples vs. oranges comparison.The Bengals have the right to cut a player in the middle of a contract (and not pay him) -- just like Carson Palmer has the right to quit playing in the middle of a contract (and not get paid). That's just the way NFL contracts are structured. It's not Cincinnati's fault or Carson Palmer's fault that the CBA is built that way.

Also, keep in mind that Mike Brown hasn't said that Palmer "should honor" the contract; he only said that he won't "reward" Palmer for walking away.

I see what you are saying, but here's the quote from Mike Brown, sourced from CBS Sportsline:

News: The Cincinnati Enquirer reports that Bengals owner Mike Brown said Tuesday that QB Carson Palmer will retire. Palmer has threatened to retire if he was not traded, and it appears like Brown is not changing his mind about trading his franchise passer. “I honesty like Carson Palmer," Brown said. "He was a splendid player for us. He is a good person. I wish him well and he has retired. That is his choice. I’m not expecting him to be back. Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment. He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren’t going to reward him for doing it.”

Ouch, this sounds very personal......my point is reading this quote he is saying "we relied on his word and his commitment." And I'm sure they have cut players in the past that have "relied on Mike Brown's word and his commitment.

 

[Clifford]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

 

[Joe Summer]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot.

On the contrary, I think he's coming off as being smarter and more mature than Carson Palmer is. After all, Palmer is the one who threatened to retire if he didn't get his way.You may think that Brown is being an idiot for not trading Palmer, but maybe Brown feels like he simply can't get enough value in return? Or maybe he doesn't want to spend the extra money on whatever draft picks he might get? Or maybe he's just waiting until Palmer (and other teams) have less leverage?I wouldn't start calling Brown an idiot until I see Carson Palmer on Cincy's bench collecting an $11.5 million paycheck for doing nothing.

 

[Clifford]

OK but can I do it then? I just don't see a way outta this for either person. They've both painted themselves into corners.

I hope Carson is the one who steps out of his and comes in and actually tries to play. Let's face it, if Brown thinks his trade value isn't enough now, it sure as hell won't be enough after Carson spends a year on the couch.

The smart thing to do would be to publicly opine to the press that he would love to have Carson back leading the team, but that's Carson's choice. Then the onus would be on Carson to come back into the fold. By saying what he did he's daring Carson to make good on his threat. If Carson does, the only possible positive outcome for the Bengals would be if Carson retired and stayed retired. The best possible outcome is for them to mend fences, have Carson come in and play 2011 and let little lord fauntleroy learn for a year.

Everyone knows Carson gives them the best chance to win in 2011. There has been precious little missed at this point in terms of actual prep time, and Carson could easily win back that locker room.

 

[todisco1]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot.

On the contrary, I think he's coming off as being smarter and more mature than Carson Palmer is. After all, Palmer is the one who threatened to retire if he didn't get his way.You may think that Brown is being an idiot for not trading Palmer, but maybe Brown feels like he simply can't get enough value in return? Or maybe he doesn't want to spend the extra money on whatever draft picks he might get? Or maybe he's just waiting until Palmer (and other teams) have less leverage?I wouldn't start calling Brown an idiot until I see Carson Palmer on Cincy's bench collecting an $11.5 million paycheck for doing nothing.

I think Brown is a horrible owner, but I don't mind him telling Palmer to kick rocks. Palmer was all over Ocho when he held out for a trade, seems like he views himself as better than everyone else.

 

[UnknownCoach]

He could probably make things very difficult for the team by actually reporting to camp, and still outwardly asking to be traded through the media. The distraction that he would become to the team could possibly convince Brown that he is better off without him. Pure speculation.

The bigger issue with this kind of power play is that if he did it once they got over the cap floor his salary would then put them over the cap. They'd have to cut guys to keep him around. At least, I'm assuming that's the case - perhaps it's different under the new CBA.-QG

They are notorious cheapskates. No way they spend the money before Palmer retires.

 

[buck naked]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot.

On the contrary, I think he's coming off as being smarter and more mature than Carson Palmer is. After all, Palmer is the one who threatened to retire if he didn't get his way.You may think that Brown is being an idiot for not trading Palmer, but maybe Brown feels like he simply can't get enough value in return? Or maybe he doesn't want to spend the extra money on whatever draft picks he might get? Or maybe he's just waiting until Palmer (and other teams) have less leverage?I wouldn't start calling Brown an idiot until I see Carson Palmer on Cincy's bench collecting an $11.5 million paycheck for doing nothing.

I think Brown is a horrible owner, but I don't mind him telling Palmer to kick rocks. Palmer was all over Ocho when he held out for a trade, seems like he views himself as better than everyone else.

Excellent point. Palmer gets some of his own medicine. He is set to make 11 million this year. He deserves NOTHING if he won't honor his deal. Good for Mike Brown.

 

[NinerK]

the bengals organization is a joke. truly it is. that season of hard knocks showed us that.

palmer should report, and then just pull a hammy and sit on the sidelines all season collecting fat checks from brown and then bengals. lol.

Agreed, they are a joke. So they are saying that since Palmer signed a contract he should honor it. Ok, great. So by that rationale we can presume that the Bengals have NEVER cut a player in the middle of a contract?

It's an apples vs. oranges comparison.The Bengals have the right to cut a player in the middle of a contract (and not pay him) -- just like Carson Palmer has the right to quit playing in the middle of a contract (and not get paid). That's just the way NFL contracts are structured. It's not Cincinnati's fault or Carson Palmer's fault that the CBA is built that way.

Also, keep in mind that Mike Brown hasn't said that Palmer "should honor" the contract; he only said that he won't "reward" Palmer for walking away.

I see what you are saying, but here's the quote from Mike Brown, sourced from CBS Sportsline:

News: The Cincinnati Enquirer reports that Bengals owner Mike Brown said Tuesday that QB Carson Palmer will retire. Palmer has threatened to retire if he was not traded, and it appears like Brown is not changing his mind about trading his franchise passer. “I honesty like Carson Palmer," Brown said. "He was a splendid player for us. He is a good person. I wish him well and he has retired. That is his choice. I’m not expecting him to be back. Carson signed a contract, he made a commitment. He gave us his word. We relied on his word and his commitment. We expected him to perform here. If he is going to walk away from his commitment we aren’t going to reward him for doing it.”

Ouch, this sounds very personal......my point is reading this quote he is saying "we relied on his word and his commitment." And I'm sure they have cut players in the past that have "relied on Mike Brown's word and his commitment. Just seems to me to be a contradiction in philosophy on his part.

 

[Incogneto]

I wonder what would happen if Carson pulled the Brandon Marshall card. F'd around in practice and didn't do drills. knocked balls away, threw into the dirt.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Mike Brown is sending a message to any player who signs a contract with the Bengals that the team expects you to honor the contract. Guys are going to think twice about holding out or pulling what Palmer is pulling now. The knock on Palmer at SC was he's kind of a dolt. I expect he'll smarten up just before the regular season begins and put his Cinci jersey back on. How much can he and little bro be making from that RunPee app anyway?

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

Brown's an immature idiot because he refuses to be held hostage?

 

[Incogneto]

you have to think that this doesn't help their case when trying to sign other free agents, no?

 

[Joe Summer]

you have to think that this doesn't help their case when trying to sign other free agents, no?

It's better than sending the message that any player can get traded out of Cincy if they whine enough.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

you have to think that this doesn't help their case when trying to sign other free agents, no?

No.

 

[CalBear]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

Brown's an immature idiot because he refuses to be held hostage?

He's an immature idiot because he'd choose to get nothing (which is what the Bengals get if Palmer retires) over getting something (Palmer's trade value) simply to be petty and spiteful.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If you guys want to claim a Mike Brown victory, go ahead. The real losers here are Bengals fans who don't have Palmer or a draft pick (or picks) helping their team win.

Mike Brown has again shown himself to be the worst owner in all of sports. It's hard to believe he's descended from Paul Brown.

 

[Hoart Petterson]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

Brown's an immature idiot because he refuses to be held hostage?

He's an immature idiot because he'd choose to get nothing (which is what the Bengals get if Palmer retires) over getting something (Palmer's trade value) simply to be petty and spiteful.

He's not getting nothing. He's telling all of the future John Elway's, Eli Manning's and Darell Revis's that he's not going to play that game. I think that's worth more than the future 2nd rounder they'd get for him. He's not being petty or spiteful either. Carson Palmer is under contract to play for the Bengals. He's being paid handsomely. If anyone is being petty of spiteful, it's Palmer.Brown's calling Palmer's bluff. Good for him. Carson will fold the hand sometime in early September.

 

[Go Blue]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

Brown's an immature idiot because he refuses to be held hostage?

He's an immature idiot because he'd choose to get nothing (which is what the Bengals get if Palmer retires) over getting something (Palmer's trade value) simply to be petty and spiteful.

Anyone that thinks this way is clearly not seeing the big picture. This decision isn't about Carson Palmer. It's about Palmer's actions. If Brown were to give in to Palmers demands the franchise would be dealing with the same requests 5-10-20 years down the road. Brown doesn't have to think about only 2011 and what is right for the player. He has to think about the Cincinnati Bengals long term. While I'm no Cincy fan and I've often thought they could be doing much better with a different owner, I applaud his stance.

 

[CalBear]

Brown is coming off like an immature idiot. I hope Carson forgets himself and treats this clown like he deserves to be treated.

Brown's an immature idiot because he refuses to be held hostage?

He's an immature idiot because he'd choose to get nothing (which is what the Bengals get if Palmer retires) over getting something (Palmer's trade value) simply to be petty and spiteful.

He's not getting nothing. He's telling all of the future John Elway's, Eli Manning's and Darell Revis's that he's not going to play that game.

Yeah, I'm sure that warning good players that the team will attempt to hose your career for no reason other than spite will really help to attract top talent. Obviously Mike Brown being an idiot has been working for Cincinatti for many years.

Brown's calling Palmer's bluff. Good for him. Carson will fold the hand sometime in early September.

And that will be good for the Bengals, why?

 

[FallenHero32]

If I were Carson and feeling like messing with brown, report for camp and refuse to do more then the minimum. Make them pay me 12 million to sit on the sideline. Or cut me. The punishment that carson can hit mike brown with is 10% of the salary cap. Just be complete dead weight on the team. If he isn't going to play, he may as well get paid to do it.