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Colts | Gardner to Compete at Weakside LBThu, 2 Jun 2005 20:26:22 -0700--------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Oehser, of Colts.com, reports Indianapolis Colts LB Gilbert Gardner will work at weakside linebacker this season. Gardner said he expects to compete with LB Cato June for a starting position during training camp.Colts | Gardner Looking to ReboundThu, 2 Jun 2005 20:04:27 -0700--------------------------------------------------------------------------------John Oehser, of Colts.com, reports Indianapolis Colts LB Gilbert Gardner hopes the injury problems that hindered him for much of 2004 are now in the past. "I'd say people have seen about 10 percent of what I can do," Gardner said. "Injuries stink, but they come with the job. Hopefully, I'll stay healthy this year and it will give me a chance to show what I can do."I have read opinions throughout the forums and there are a few who think that Cato June is not the answer at WLB and even going back to last summer there were opinions that Gardner was going to get the starting position. Assuming Gardner is now healthy and he has the speed and size to play at that position and appears will be given the opportunity to compete for it.....Will he be the new starter this year? And if so perhaps June should be bumped down a little in rankings and those who own June might want to pick up Gardner as insurance if you haven't already I traded June this off season while value was high and picked up Gardner cheap. What are the IDP shark's opinion on this situation?

 
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Tried to pick up Cato last year but bidding went vertical. After the dust cleared I picked up Gardner for vet min. I have felt all along that Cato was interim until Gardner rose to his capabilities

 
Broken, I couldn't agree more. I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside. The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.RAPTURE

 
Broken, I couldn't agree more. I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside. The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.

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Broken, I couldn't agree more. I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside. The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.

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I think Pope could also win the WLB position. I think until the preseason we wont know who is starting at WLB and MLB for sure. IT's great to speculate but until they get on the field and produce you never know. Last year most people didnt give Cato a chance in hell to start but he did.

 
IMO, Indy made a mistake when they moved Thornton from the weakside.Isn't it suppose to be the will is your best LB, the playmaker, in Indy's defensive scheme? Why take a vital position, WLB, that isn't broke and try to fix another position at the will's expense? Should be easier to find an affordable SLB than a will of Thorntons ability. Heck fire Simmons is available.

 
What about Brackett in the MLB spot? I find it hard to believe that Indy will stay with him. Your thoughts on Morris comin back?

 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=158630I posted this topic a few weeks ago!

I caught grief from some FF'ers (outside of the forum) for this "assumption"!

Gardner was drafted for the WLB spot initially, but the whole Indy Def is due for a major makeover!
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The makeover began some time ago. Getting Sanders in and Bashir out is a step in the right direction. Thornton as the teams best LB should be where he is at. Brackett has size going against him but started to see alot of time late last year as Morris was continually exposed. At least he has experience in the nickel.Granted no one gave June any shot but it is not like he set the world on fire. If Gardner would have been healthy there is no doubt in my mind that he would have beated him out. Unfortunately, he was never healthy. Recently Pope lined up as the backup middle after the team lost 5th round pick Tyjuan Hagler to a hernia. Will Pope stay, doubt it.

Getting back to the defense. The secondary is improved, they do not need an aging injury prone LB like SImmons or Boulware. They need Freeney and Mathis to make Harper and Jackson look better than they are.

In two years you will see, Jackson moved to S, Thornton moved to MLB and Pope manning the SLB or RLB spot.

Go Colts

Tom

 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=158630I posted this topic a few weeks ago! 

I caught grief from some FF'ers (outside of the forum) for this "assumption"! 

Gardner was drafted for the WLB spot initially, but the whole Indy Def is due for a major makeover!
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The makeover began some time ago. Getting Sanders in and Bashir out is a step in the right direction. Thornton as the teams best LB should be where he is at. Brackett has size going against him but started to see alot of time late last year as Morris was continually exposed. At least he has experience in the nickel.Granted no one gave June any shot but it is not like he set the world on fire. If Gardner would have been healthy there is no doubt in my mind that he would have beated him out. Unfortunately, he was never healthy. Recently Pope lined up as the backup middle after the team lost 5th round pick Tyjuan Hagler to a hernia. Will Pope stay, doubt it.

Getting back to the defense. The secondary is improved, they do not need an aging injury prone LB like SImmons or Boulware. They need Freeney and Mathis to make Harper and Jackson look better than they are.

In two years you will see, Jackson moved to S, Thornton moved to MLB and Pope manning the SLB or RLB spot.

Go Colts

Tom
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So your saying the SLB is the playmaker in Indy's defensive scheme? Or is Indy using a right side - left side thing this year?I'll give ya injury prone on Simmons, but he is only 28, will be 29 this month. Prolly can't fit him in the cap anyways and does have some charactor issues which is most likely why he is still a FA. There LB's outside of Thornton are marginal at best. I read a scouting report on Gardner stating he's better suited to play in a 3-4. We'll see.

 
Broken, I couldn't agree more. I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside. The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.

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They wanted Gardner to push June last season before the injury took him out of the picture. If he can stay healthy it will be no surprise at all to see him come away from camp with the job. The Colts do the right side, left side thing which is why Thornton was still able to post 71 solo tackles. There is little doubt he is their best linebacker. One has to wonder what they were thinking moving him into fantasy purgetory...

 
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=158630I posted this topic a few weeks ago! 

I caught grief from some FF'ers (outside of the forum) for this "assumption"! 

Gardner was drafted for the WLB spot initially, but the whole Indy Def is due for a major makeover!
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The makeover began some time ago. Getting Sanders in and Bashir out is a step in the right direction. Thornton as the teams best LB should be where he is at. Brackett has size going against him but started to see alot of time late last year as Morris was continually exposed. At least he has experience in the nickel.Granted no one gave June any shot but it is not like he set the world on fire. If Gardner would have been healthy there is no doubt in my mind that he would have beated him out. Unfortunately, he was never healthy. Recently Pope lined up as the backup middle after the team lost 5th round pick Tyjuan Hagler to a hernia. Will Pope stay, doubt it.

Getting back to the defense. The secondary is improved, they do not need an aging injury prone LB like SImmons or Boulware. They need Freeney and Mathis to make Harper and Jackson look better than they are.

In two years you will see, Jackson moved to S, Thornton moved to MLB and Pope manning the SLB or RLB spot.

Go Colts

Tom
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So your saying the SLB is the playmaker in Indy's defensive scheme? Or is Indy using a right side - left side thing this year?I'll give ya injury prone on Simmons, but he is only 28, will be 29 this month. Prolly can't fit him in the cap anyways and does have some charactor issues which is most likely why he is still a FA. There LB's outside of Thornton are marginal at best. I read a scouting report on Gardner stating he's better suited to play in a 3-4. We'll see.
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Indy did the left/right alignment last year. My point on SLB is that is usually your best LB because unlike the WLB that just pursues, the SLB has to handle the TE.In regards to Gardner, the reason people were so high on him last year is because he came from a system where he had excelled as the WLB in the same cover 2 defense.

Tom

 
Broken, I couldn't agree more.  I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside.  The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.

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They wanted Gardner to push June last season before the injury took him out of the picture. If he can stay healthy it will be no surprise at all to see him come away from camp with the job. The Colts do the right side, left side thing which is why Thornton was still able to post 71 solo tackles. There is little doubt he is their best linebacker. One has to wonder what they were thinking moving him into fantasy purgetory...
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Because -- shocking! -- NFL coaches aren't concerned with their players' fantasy production. The SLB is often the best LB -- or at least the LB that is most capable of carrying out complex tasks. The WLB has a simpler, more "mindless" job: just fly to the ball. That's why you can get away with a fast, atheltic, but not too savvy guy at the Will. Marcus Washington was a better LB than Thorton, and that's why he played SLB for the Colts. When he left, Thorton was moved over. Otherwise, the fear was that the strong side of the offense would simply blow the defense out of the water. Like a top left tackle or noseguard, the SLB has to carry out critical tasks that don't register on the stat sheet.

The fantasy lesson from this is that much more than with offense, IDPs are more about opportunity than talent.

 
Duffman, if you've read my previous post (I believe on one of these topics regading Gilbert Gardner), I noted how Thornton is their best LB. I believe Gilbert Gardner is better than Cato June and will replace him in the starting lineup.RAPTURE

 
The fantasy lesson from this is that much more than with offense, IDPs are more about opportunity than talent.
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Exactly. How often is the best CB the best fantasy CB? If a CB is real good, teams will throw away from him. Less opportunity, less points. While I got June cheap in several dynasty leagues last year, I would not be surprised to see him lose his job to Gardner.

 
Broken, I couldn't agree more.  I think Gardner is at 60/40 in starting at the weakside.  The coach & defensive coordinator have to make changes and I think starting Gardner is a step in the right direction.

RAPTURE
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They wanted Gardner to push June last season before the injury took him out of the picture. If he can stay healthy it will be no surprise at all to see him come away from camp with the job. The Colts do the right side, left side thing which is why Thornton was still able to post 71 solo tackles. There is little doubt he is their best linebacker. One has to wonder what they were thinking moving him into fantasy purgetory...
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Because -- shocking! -- NFL coaches aren't concerned with their players' fantasy production. The SLB is often the best LB -- or at least the LB that is most capable of carrying out complex tasks. The WLB has a simpler, more "mindless" job: just fly to the ball. That's why you can get away with a fast, atheltic, but not too savvy guy at the Will. Marcus Washington was a better LB than Thorton, and that's why he played SLB for the Colts. When he left, Thorton was moved over. Otherwise, the fear was that the strong side of the offense would simply blow the defense out of the water. Like a top left tackle or noseguard, the SLB has to carry out critical tasks that don't register on the stat sheet.

The fantasy lesson from this is that much more than with offense, IDPs are more about opportunity than talent.
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Apparently Dungy is using a different defensive scheme than was used in Tampa or in his early Indy years. He may be compensating for lack of talent. Under the Tampa scheme you wanted the will to be your best LB, the playmaker, and to my knowledge they never employed a right side left side thing. No question. IDP is more about opportunity than the other side of the ball. Thats why Seattle's Lofa Tatupa is in a great position.
 
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the corollary to "IDP production is more about opportunity than talent" is that IDPs do not hold value well over the long term. This is one of the reasons that I generally avoid IDPs in the rookie drafts.

 
still practicing with the second team. ill be looking for him to make some plays in the american bowl.

 
How solidified is June's position? I most likely will have to renegotiate his salary in the offseason. He seems to be playing out of this world.
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I would trade him . . . to me. :)
 
I would not be surprised if, by the middle of the season, Cato June did not have numbers in excess of 37 solo tackles (53 total), 5 int's (with two td's) and 6 passes defended. That's how much I believe in him.

 
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I would not be surprised if, by the middle of the season, Cato June did not have numbers in excess of 37 solo tackles (53 total), 5 int's (with two td's) and 6 passes defended. That's how much I believe in him.
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Man you are awsome! How did you figure those numbers out and then predict them, please teach me oh wise Ozy.So is June still in danger of being replaced?

 
I never saw this coming. I cringed at the thought of Cato June as the WLB starter again. I was wrong, and I'm happy that I was wrong.

 
I never saw this coming. I cringed at the thought of Cato June as the WLB starter again. I was wrong, and I'm happy that I was wrong.
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So dj, you really don't think he should be looking over his shoulder any longer? That's good news as a June owner.I guess I'll be "looking forward" to a renegotiation in my salary cap league :)

 
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