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CC Sabathia - Is your team interested? (1 Viewer)

Hart could possibly play CF but it wouldn't be pretty. Then again, Milwaukee doesn't care about defense.
I'm more of a casual baseball fan so I'm no expert on actual "scouting" and "talent" etc....FWIWWhy would you think that Hart would be a liability in CF? My opinion is that he could be as good as any CF the Brewers have had in recent years, including Mike Cameron. From this casual fans perspective, Hart is a solid outfielder (defensively and not too shabby offensively) with good enough speed to cover ground and a decent enough arm to keep baserunners honest. Will he ever be a Tori Hunter type in CF, probably not but I think he is the next everyday player the Brewers need to sign longterm.

Why would you say that they don't care about defense?

If the Brewers didnt care about defense, why move Braun, a major liability at 3B, to OF where he currently has a 1.000 fielding percentage? Why bring in Kendall? Why stick with Rickie Weeks, a liability at 2B, who's fielding percentage has gone up since his rookie season (this year incomplete)?

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2003 (4 games) - .667

2005 - .951

2006 - .952

2007 - .984

2008 - .981

Those aren't stellar numbers but increasing year to year. Honestly, I dont know enough about the game to realistically say the Brewers "don't care about defense". But I think that statement may have a bit of hyperbole. I'll hang up and listen to the 'experts' on the board.

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Hart wouldn't be a disaster in CF, but he wouldn't be able to cover the ground necessary to make up for Braun/LaPorta on the corners.

 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).

The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).

No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).

I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.

 
Hart wouldn't be a disaster in CF, but he wouldn't be able to cover the ground necessary to make up for Braun/LaPorta on the corners.
He's the fastest guy on the team. Plus he plays very well in the OF.I don't get what you are saying. :coffee:
 
Hart wouldn't be a disaster in CF, but he wouldn't be able to cover the ground necessary to make up for Braun/LaPorta on the corners.
He's the fastest guy on the team. Plus he plays very well in the OF.I don't get what you are saying. :lmao:
They've tried him out there a few times in the past, and while he has good natural speed he doesn't have CF instincts and the burst needed to properly play the position.The easiest comparison is to think back on the CF experiment the Cubs tried with Alfonso Soriano. Fast guy, but it just didn't work.
 
The Milwaukee Brewers are serious about trading for Indians left-hander C.C. Sabathia — more serious, perhaps, than any other club.The Brewers' offer for Sabathia includes Class AA left fielder Matt LaPorta, according to sources with two other clubs that are interested in acquiring the pitcher.Class AA shortstop Alcides Escobar also may be in the Brewers' proposed deal, one of the sources says.The Brewers likely would prefer to substitute a lesser player for Escobar, or perhaps would insist upon additional talent if the Indians demanded his inclusion. But if the Brewers indeed were willing to give up both LaPorta and Escobar, the Sabathia sweepstakes might be over before they started."I can not imagine anyone would top that," the first source said.The second added, "That deal should get it done."Sabathia, 6-5 with a 2.16 ERA in his past 14 starts, is scheduled to pitch twice more before the All-Star break. The Indians could act quickly to maximize their return or allow demand to build by holding Sabathia until closer to the July 31 non-waiver deadline.LaPorta, 23, and Escobar, 21, would be a steep price for Sabathia, who is headed for free agency at the end of the season. But the Brewers, facing a potentially dramatic off-season makeover, are in a more urgent position than other clubs, rival executives say.Right-hander Ben Sheets is almost certain to depart as a free agent; he and Sabathia would be the two top starting pitchers on the market. First baseman Prince Fielder, represented by Scott Boras, could be traded out of fear that he would not sign with the Brewers long-term.The Brewers would collect four premium draft picks if Sheets and Sabathia signed with other clubs. They also could obtain two or three minor-league prospects if they traded Fielder. But they would not be as competitive in the NL Central next season, even with right-hander Yovani Gallardo returning from knee surgery.The Rays, another team interested in Sabathia, are not as motivated to make such a short-term grab, sources say. The Red Sox, deep in starting pitching, believe that the price for Sabathia would not be worth the marginal upgrade that he would provide over a pitcher such as right-hander Clay Buchholz in the second half.The Yankees are monitoring the Sabathia sweepstakes, but seem disinclined to offer major prospects when they can sign the pitcher as a free agent. The Phillies and Cubs both want Sabathia, but their farm systems are not considered to be as deep as the Brewers'.LaPorta, the Brewers' first-round pick in 2007, is an American League-type player, rival scouts and executives say, a right-handed slugger who is below-average defensively. He was a first baseman at Florida, but the Brewers have converted him to left field — a position occupied by Ryan Braun, who is signed through 2015.The Indians badly need power. Center fielder Grady Sizemore leads the AL with 21 home runs, but designated hitter Travis Hafner hit only four before going on the disabled list with a right shoulder strain on May 30 and catcher Victor Martinez had zero before going on the DL June 12 with a right-elbow injury.LaPorta is tied for the Southern League lead with 19 homers and third in the league in OPS. Three of his Huntsville teammates — third baseman Mat Gamel, catcher Angel Salome, and first baseman Chris Errecart — rank first, sixth and seventh in OPS, respectively.If LaPorta were traded, either Gamel or Errecart could emerge as the long-term replacement for Fielder. The inclusion of Escobar in a deal for Sabathia, however, would qualify as a surprise."He's not a little bit better than Hardy defensively — he's way better," one rival executive says, referring to the Brewers' starting shortstop, J.J. Hardy. "Escobar is a phenomenal shortstop, a show-stopper. Hardy has lost a step in the field."The Brewers, if they preferred to keep Escobar, instead could seek to include Hardy in the deal. But Hardy, whose OPS ranks third among NL shortstops, will be only two years away from free agency at the end of the season, and less appealing to the Indians.
 
At the end of next year, LaPorta and Braun's stats for that season are going to be nearly identical.

If the Brewers are OK trading that away, I don't see any reason why it wouldn't be enough to get Sabathia.

If they decline and say it has to be LaPorta/Escobar, I say GFY and let Hardy start taking balls at 2B when Escobar is ready.

 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :excited:
 
I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :lmao:
I'm hoping Philadelphia is where he ends up. One because they are in the NL, and two because Cleveland is likely to get little in return.
 
Didn't pre-steroid-investigation Travis Hafner sign some ridiculous deal that post-steroid-investigation Travis Hafner will come no where near fulfilling?

I only ask because an AL team that would be willing to free Cleveland from a contract like that might have to give up less for a CC rental.

 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :goodposting:
It must have been the money. According to the Cleveland link in the other Sabathia thread, the Phils were still in it until pretty late, but the didn't want to part with Carrasco.I don't see why you wouldn't do whatever it took, as long as you thought you'd sign him. Of course, he might still not want to sign with the Phillies even if they want him to.
 
I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
:lmao: They were a playoff contender and leading the wildcard race BEFORE the CC move.

They are thinking that they have a seriously legitimate shot at making the World Series. It's not like they come away empty handed if they don't make the playoffs and if as expected CC moves on. It's also not like the cupboard is bare in the farm system, plus they just added a TON of talent in this year's draft, not to mention the potential for 5 high picks next year.

 
I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
:lmao: They were a playoff contender and leading the wildcard race BEFORE the CC move.

They are thinking that they have a seriously legitimate shot at making the World Series. It's not like they come away empty handed if they don't make the playoffs and if as expected CC moves on. It's also not like the cupboard is bare in the farm system, plus they just added a TON of talent in this year's draft, not to mention the potential for 5 high picks next year.
Agreed. And I think they also see themselves middle of the pack for the next few years after this one. This is the year. I'm rooting for them.
 
I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
:popcorn: They were a playoff contender and leading the wildcard race BEFORE the CC move.

They are thinking that they have a seriously legitimate shot at making the World Series. It's not like they come away empty handed if they don't make the playoffs and if as expected CC moves on. It's also not like the cupboard is bare in the farm system, plus they just added a TON of talent in this year's draft, not to mention the potential for 5 high picks next year.
Teams with terrible bullpens and terrible defense usually don't go very far.I guess there's a good shot they make the playoffs, but I can't see much more than that.

 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :porked:
It must have been the money. According to the Cleveland link in the other Sabathia thread, the Phils were still in it until pretty late, but the didn't want to part with Carrasco.I don't see why you wouldn't do whatever it took, as long as you thought you'd sign him. Of course, he might still not want to sign with the Phillies even if they want him to.
We didn't want to part with Carrasco?!? :lmao: :wall: :lmao: What a ####### joke, and a reason why I can't take this club seriously. Reminds me of '93 when we could've landed Randy Johnson for the run, but we didn't want to part with uber stud Ben Rivera. :( :loco: :wall:
 
I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
:lmao: They were a playoff contender and leading the wildcard race BEFORE the CC move.

They are thinking that they have a seriously legitimate shot at making the World Series. It's not like they come away empty handed if they don't make the playoffs and if as expected CC moves on. It's also not like the cupboard is bare in the farm system, plus they just added a TON of talent in this year's draft, not to mention the potential for 5 high picks next year.
Agreed. And I think they also see themselves middle of the pack for the next few years after this one. This is the year. I'm rooting for them.
And consider this. There is talk that Yovani Gallardo could be ready to pitch in September. I'm salivating at the idea of Sheets, Sabbathia, Gallardo, Parra being the playoff rotation. Move Bush, McClung to the pen, that helps there. Perhaps it is wishful thinking that Yovani would be back, but that'd be a tough, tough rotation.And it's not like the Brewers Mortgaged their future here. Gamel, Salome, Escobar are all considered very good prospects. Plus, if they lose both Sheets and Sabbathia this offseason, they get four additional first round picks. Considering their draft track record of late, I have a lot of faith that they'd get a guy or two that would certainly help down the road.

 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :thumbdown:
It must have been the money. According to the Cleveland link in the other Sabathia thread, the Phils were still in it until pretty late, but the didn't want to part with Carrasco.I don't see why you wouldn't do whatever it took, as long as you thought you'd sign him. Of course, he might still not want to sign with the Phillies even if they want him to.
We didn't want to part with Carrasco?!? :lmao: :wall: :lmao: What a ####### joke, and a reason why I can't take this club seriously. Reminds me of '93 when we could've landed Randy Johnson for the run, but we didn't want to part with uber stud Ben Rivera. :rant: :loco: :wall:
they didn't have a hitter of LaPorta's quality. Cleveland was looking for a hitter.
 
Phillies' scouts were supposedly watching Sabathia this weekend (as well as Bedard, and the Mariners were scouting the Phils' top pitching prospect).The Phillies have 3 key double-A prospects: Carlos Carrasco (P), Lou Marson (C who is raking) and Greg Golson (CF who is really working on cutting down his K's).No one at triple-A is really that attractive (maybe J.A. Happ, a lefty who's been good this year, but had some difficulties before that).I would think that the Phillies will have to include Victorino to get the deal done, which will leave the OF very thin thanks to the 58 yeard old So Taguchi.
I really don't believe we have anything near the talent that other teams could offer to trade for C.C. Besides I have very little faith in the organization to actually trade for a stud SP, their philosophy does not believe in paying big money at that position. :popcorn:
It must have been the money. According to the Cleveland link in the other Sabathia thread, the Phils were still in it until pretty late, but the didn't want to part with Carrasco.I don't see why you wouldn't do whatever it took, as long as you thought you'd sign him. Of course, he might still not want to sign with the Phillies even if they want him to.
We didn't want to part with Carrasco?!? :excited: :wall: :lmao: What a ####### joke, and a reason why I can't take this club seriously. Reminds me of '93 when we could've landed Randy Johnson for the run, but we didn't want to part with uber stud Ben Rivera. :excited: :loco: :wall:
they didn't have a hitter of LaPorta's quality. Cleveland was looking for a hitter.
Yep, I don't think the Tribe would have ever moved off a LaPorta deal. The Phillies, and the Dodgers imo, were their two best hopes of upping the Brewers offer last week.Consider this, the Phillies offer Cardenas and Carrasco as the two main pieces of their potential CC deal, this could have given Shapiro more leverage with the Brewers when it came to the #2/#3 players in their deal. I still think Cleveland got a fair shake here, but the haul could have been LaPorta and Escobar IF another team stepped up big time, and I'm not even sure Cardenas/Carrasco would be enough. The Brewers knew that nobody was going to top LaPorta in the end and stood their ground. If the Tribe gets Green, then it's just a notch or two below a LaPorta/Escobar haul, so again I think both teams did their jobs here. If the Tribe waited, they could have been staring at a different market in 2-3 weeks, possibly getting just LaPorta without Green, or even the Brewers not interested anymore at all (moving their sites to other available arms on the cheap).
 
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I would be stunned if they moved LaPorta for a rental. I think teams are getting over that attitude.
As always, I am stunned by the stupidity of major-league GMs.Brewers probably won't even make the playoffs. WTF are they thinking.
:sarcasm: They were a playoff contender and leading the wildcard race BEFORE the CC move.

They are thinking that they have a seriously legitimate shot at making the World Series. It's not like they come away empty handed if they don't make the playoffs and if as expected CC moves on. It's also not like the cupboard is bare in the farm system, plus they just added a TON of talent in this year's draft, not to mention the potential for 5 high picks next year.
Agreed. And I think they also see themselves middle of the pack for the next few years after this one. This is the year. I'm rooting for them.
And consider this. There is talk that Yovani Gallardo could be ready to pitch in September. I'm salivating at the idea of Sheets, Sabbathia, Gallardo, Parra being the playoff rotation. Move Bush, McClung to the pen, that helps there. Perhaps it is wishful thinking that Yovani would be back, and Sheets won't go back on the DL himself but that would be a tough, tough rotation.
Fixed your highly optomistic post. :D
 
And consider this. There is talk that Yovani Gallardo could be ready to pitch in September. I'm salivating at the idea of Sheets, Sabbathia, Gallardo, Parra being the playoff rotation. Move Bush, McClung to the pen, that helps there. Perhaps it is wishful thinking that Yovani would be back, and Sheets won't go back on the DL himself but that would be a tough, tough rotation.
Yovani is not coming back this year. If he does, the Crew is nowhere near .500 next year. Theres no reason to believe he can come back and be anywhere near being effective in 2008. Brewerfan, PLEASE STOP talking about that

 
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Interesting, not sure I buy it though. From Rosenthal...

The Dodgers not only could have had Sabathia, but also Indians third baseman Casey Blake and infielder Jamey Carroll without giving up any of their top young major leaguers, according to major-league sources.

The Indians would have received a package that included the following types of players, if not the exact names: Third baseman Andy LaRoche, right-hander Cory Wade, Class AA right-hander James McDonald and Class A catcher Carlos Santana.

Brewers Class AA outfielder Matt LaPorta is considered superior to any player the Indians would have received from the Dodgers. The overall strength of the Dodgers' package, however, might have given them an edge over the Brewers.

So, why didn't the Dodgers make the deal?

Because owner Frank McCourt vetoed it, according to multiple industry sources cited by the Los Angeles Daily News.

The trade would have boosted the 2008 Dodgers payroll by more than $7.5 million, a hefty sum. But the Dodgers could have traded Derek Lowe for a savings of nearly $5 million and replaced him with Class AA lefty Clayton Kershaw. Their rotation then would have been Sabathia, Kershaw, Chad Billingsley, Hiroki Kuroda and Chan Ho Park, with Brad Penny recovering from a shoulder injury.

In any case, McCourt denied quashing the Sabathia trade.

"It's just totally false," he told the Daily News. "The players didn't match up, and that's just the way it was."
 

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