CC Sabathia (1 Viewer)

[Finless]

16M/4 years for Lowe with that infield in that division would be a Zito-esque failure.

The Yankees are back to their old tricks!

 

[TLEF316]

not liking these Lowe rumors. Its an awful fit.

 

[Finless]

not liking these Lowe rumors. Its an awful fit.

You don't think he's worth 16.5 a year over 4 in his late 30's in the toughest division in baseball?I'm calling it now. Yankees payroll caps out at 230 this year.

 

[Finless]

Now they're making a strong push at Manny

Lowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M.

Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

It's disgusting. Aging veterans to 4 year contracts - can't think of a bigger kiss of death over the past decade. All the Steinbrenner's combined can't have an IQ over LHUCKS' IQ - and that's saying something.

 

[HellToupee]

Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Its great having the Steinbrenners acting like the Steinbrenner's again

 

[Michael Brown]

Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Its great having the Steinbrenners acting like the Steinbrenner's again

Right, because the World Series teams of 1996-2000 were all built on homegrown pitching like Jimmy Key, David Wells, David Cone, El Duque, Roger Clemens...

 

[Ghost Rider]

A-Rod now has someone to take some of the heat off of him for when the Yankees choke in the playoffs again.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

 

[Finless]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

2 years 38 M These are facts. Are you defending the way they do business?

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

I don't get this post. IT's like Finless said the sky was blue and you started arguing about how dirt was brown.We're discussing rumors here, that's what you do during winter meetings.If you want to wait until you open up your newspaper in the morning before debating baseball news stories, this forum is going to get your really fired up I predict.

 

[Sammy3469]

RAther than mess up this board with every Yankee signing/trade I'll post this here.

Olney on Mike & Mike said that the Yankees will send Melky to the Brewers for Cameron.

I suppose that's a short term CF solution.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

I don't get this post. IT's like Finless said the sky was blue and you started arguing about how dirt was brown.We're discussing rumors here, that's what you do during winter meetings.If you want to wait until you open up your newspaper in the morning before debating baseball news stories, this forum is going to get your really fired up I predict.

How is it a "fact" they're making a strong push at Manny? Because a beat writer throws out a rumor to fill some column space makes this the case? When every controlling party in the Yankee braintrust has thus far not indicated the Manny circus is something they wish to invite in, in spite of the need for him? Hal, Cashman and Girardi have thus far not been gung ho on this idea, but I guess at some price you have to think about most players(Bonds not withstanding).

 

[blackjack23]

RAther than mess up this board with every Yankee signing/trade I'll post this here.Olney on Mike & Mike said that the Yankees will send Melky to the Brewers for Cameron.I suppose that's a short term CF solution.

Yanks are hoping Austin jackson is their CF of the future. He wont be ready until they hope 2010. Good move by the Yankees here. Cameron is a great fielder and has some pop.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

2 years 38 M These are facts. Are you defending the way they do business?

I have no problem with the Sabathia deal, because the only lefty I'd rather in baseball right now for the next 7 years is Price. The Lowe deal would suck and is a concern right now, and if they sign him, we can re-open that debate.And in regard to Manny, I GUARANTEE you he signs a deal closer to 38 million, versus 100 million. Manny can WANT anything he wants, somebody needs to PAY him though and thats looking very unlikely. The market morphed right before his very eyes, and he might actually regret that opt out before we're done. But whatever facts you have are great, you've merely posted idle ink from writers in a down meetings looking for copy.

 

[whoknew]

I have no problem with the Sabathia deal, because the only lefty I'd rather in baseball right now for the next 7 years is Price.

I think you forgot about Johan Santana.

 

[blackjack23]

I have no problem with the Sabathia deal, because the only lefty I'd rather in baseball right now for the next 7 years is Price.

I think you forgot about Johan Santana.

CC has been better than him the last 2 yrs statistically and is 2 yrs younger.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

Now they're making a strong push at MannyLowe 35 years old bloated 4 year contract. Sure he pitched well the last two years in the weakest division in sports. Manny will likely settle for no less than 4 years at 100M. Have the Stienbrenner's not learned anything over the last decade?

Who are you posting this for chicken little? Do you see us responding to your pot stirring? The Yankees bid against themselves and bid heavy on CC. They've not so much as initiated a meeting with Manny, but if he were to fall in their laps at the right price(re: NOT 4 for 100), they would probably roll the dice on him. With a thin market, Manny probably wants to play where he's always wanted to play and thats NYC. His preference seems to be for his neighborhood team, the Yankees but I wouldn't rule out the Mets bargain shopping if they can nab him at 3 years/54 million.If I'm the Yankees though, and he comes to you and says 2 years for 38 million, I think I have to think about that. But the fact you spin a blog rumor into the sky falling, oh well, go with God, I just don't get it.

2 years 38 M These are facts. Are you defending the way they do business?

I have no problem with the Sabathia deal, because the only lefty I'd rather in baseball right now for the next 7 years is Price. The Lowe deal would suck and is a concern right now, and if they sign him, we can re-open that debate.And in regard to Manny, I GUARANTEE you he signs a deal closer to 38 million, versus 100 million. Manny can WANT anything he wants, somebody needs to PAY him though and thats looking very unlikely. The market morphed right before his very eyes, and he might actually regret that opt out before we're done. But whatever facts you have are great, you've merely posted idle ink from writers in a down meetings looking for copy.

Something you're not considering NY/NJThere is no way in hell Manny takes 2 years at 38 mil.You do realize he would have made more if Boston had simply picked up his 2 option years. That was the whole point of him throwing a fit to get traded so he no one would pick up his option years. He'd be in a worse position then when he was in Boston last Spring.2 years 38 million isn't even in the ballpark.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

 

[blackjack23]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

And this has me laughing

 

[Workhorse]

I have no problems with the Yankees spending gobs of their own money prior to the 2009 season. That was THEIR money.

I DO have a problem with the Yankees having an enormous payroll going into this coming season, throwing hundreds of millions at free agents, while asking for an ADDITIONAL $370 million in bonds this past week (on top of the nearly BILLION DOLLARS in bonds already granted) to finance their new stadium. In a crashing economy. With very few corporate box seats sold. And plummeting advertising revenue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-m...p&type=lgns

 

[Michael Brown]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

 

[Reaper]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Finally something really funny.

I just get a kick out of how people get all kooky about the Yankees to the point of posts like that.

In the Red Sox thread he talks about the Yankees making moves to put themselves ahead of the Sox.. here, the Yankees are doing things we could never concieve (even though we all predicted it last year after the Mets got Johan)

 

[The Ghost of Common]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Finally something really funny.

I just get a kick out of how people get all kooky about the Yankees to the point of posts like that.

In the Red Sox thread he talks about the Yankees making moves to put themselves ahead of the Sox.. here, the Yankees are doing things we could never concieve (even though we all predicted it last year after the Mets got Johan)

Totally missing the point I was trying to make. Steinbrenner got bent over by Boras. That's it and that's all.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

I find when someone makes a really good point that is tough to dispute, they lower themselves to a personal comment instead. Good stuff guy, I'd expect nothing less out of a front running Yanks fan.You win the prize!

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

 

[The Ghost of Common]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

I'm used to it. lol - thought you could have mature baseball debate. I'm taking shots at the Yankees front office, he's taking shots at me. That's the way things work; and that's when he loses all credibility as an adult and a baseball fan as well. What can ya do? I'll stick to other threads going forward I guess since we can't have grown up debate about the abortion of a contract that CC nailed Steinbrenner for. It is what it is though, an awful awful contract for the Yanks.

 

[blackjack23]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Finally something really funny.

I just get a kick out of how people get all kooky about the Yankees to the point of posts like that.

In the Red Sox thread he talks about the Yankees making moves to put themselves ahead of the Sox.. here, the Yankees are doing things we could never concieve (even though we all predicted it last year after the Mets got Johan)

Totally missing the point I was trying to make. Steinbrenner got bent over by Boras. That's it and that's all.

Hey Einstein, you realize Boras is not CC's agent?

 

[The Ghost of Common]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Finally something really funny.

I just get a kick out of how people get all kooky about the Yankees to the point of posts like that.

In the Red Sox thread he talks about the Yankees making moves to put themselves ahead of the Sox.. here, the Yankees are doing things we could never concieve (even though we all predicted it last year after the Mets got Johan)

Totally missing the point I was trying to make. Steinbrenner got bent over by Boras. That's it and that's all.

Hey Einstein, you realize Boras is not CC's agent?

Sorry it's Greg something. Been listening to Boston radio all day talking about Boras/TeixeiraMy bad - it's irrelevant to my point though.

 

[Michael Brown]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

Talk about missing the point. I wasn't insulting anyone as a person, smart guy. I was referring to his approach to a management decision. He suggests the Yankees should have told Sabathia "Here's our offer, take it or leave it."Yeah that would've worked. Let's see...Cashman: "Hey CC, we know you are hesitant about coming to NY. And we know it's going to take a very careful sales pitch to make sure you don't feel bullied by the money. And we know you're willing to take less money so you can go back home to pitch. And yeah, we need you...badly. But all that being said, everything you're asking for? Tough ####. You get none of it. We're not giving you any perks. We're not increasing our offer. You want something? Go get it somewhere else."Yup, that would've been a great way of handling negotiations.If my comment was misconstrued as a personal attack against anyone, my apologies. It wasn't intended that way AT ALL. I was merely commenting about how there's no way you have to make many important decisions at your job if THIS is the way you go about handling business negotiations.

 

[Finless]

Why is is the Red Sox get guys at discount for being contenders and the Yanks have to overpay?

 

[blackjack23]

Why is is the Red Sox get guys at discount for being contenders and the Yanks have to overpay?

 

[dparker713]

I have no problems with the Yankees spending gobs of their own money prior to the 2009 season. That was THEIR money.

I DO have a problem with the Yankees having an enormous payroll going into this coming season, throwing hundreds of millions at free agents, while asking for an ADDITIONAL $370 million in bonds this past week (on top of the nearly BILLION DOLLARS in bonds already granted) to finance their new stadium. In a crashing economy. With very few corporate box seats sold. And plummeting advertising revenue.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-m...p&type=lgns

So let the mayor know they shouldnt get that money.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

This deal still has me laughing.Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

Talk about missing the point. I wasn't insulting anyone as a person, smart guy. I was referring to his approach to a management decision. He suggests the Yankees should have told Sabathia "Here's our offer, take it or leave it."Yeah that would've worked. Let's see...Cashman: "Hey CC, we know you are hesitant about coming to NY. And we know it's going to take a very careful sales pitch to make sure you don't feel bullied by the money. And we know you're willing to take less money so you can go back home to pitch. And yeah, we need you...badly. But all that being said, everything you're asking for? Tough ####. You get none of it. We're not giving you any perks. We're not increasing our offer. You want something? Go get it somewhere else."Yup, that would've been a great way of handling negotiations.If my comment was misconstrued as a personal attack against anyone, my apologies. It wasn't intended that way AT ALL. I was merely commenting about how there's no way you have to make many important decisions at your job if THIS is the way you go about handling business negotiations.

Unfortunately, MB, this has nothing to do with perks or even negotiation in my opinion. The reason I hate the Yankees is because they blatantly overspend to get the union on their side, thus putting pressure on the player to make a decision that went from "where do I really want to play" to "if I don't do this some of my lesser fortunate brethren will get less money because I just drove the market down on purpose." You dig? Smart guy? They force players to play for them. And I don't bame dude for assuming this was a Boras deal because that's exactly what he does with all his big contract guys. The issue isn't whether CC wants to play for the Yankees. Or why. Or why not. Or what it took to get him there. We know he doesn't. We know why. And now we know how much it took. I don't necessarily blame CC for taking the money. For all I know he's the greediest person alive. But I do think he's a coward for not standing up to the union and the Yankees if he truly didn't want to play in New York.

 

[blackjack23]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

Talk about missing the point. I wasn't insulting anyone as a person, smart guy. I was referring to his approach to a management decision. He suggests the Yankees should have told Sabathia "Here's our offer, take it or leave it."Yeah that would've worked. Let's see...

Cashman: "Hey CC, we know you are hesitant about coming to NY. And we know it's going to take a very careful sales pitch to make sure you don't feel bullied by the money. And we know you're willing to take less money so you can go back home to pitch. And yeah, we need you...badly. But all that being said, everything you're asking for? Tough ####. You get none of it. We're not giving you any perks. We're not increasing our offer. You want something? Go get it somewhere else."

Yup, that would've been a great way of handling negotiations.

If my comment was misconstrued as a personal attack against anyone, my apologies. It wasn't intended that way AT ALL. I was merely commenting about how there's no way you have to make many important decisions at your job if THIS is the way you go about handling business negotiations.

Unfortunately, MB, this has nothing to do with perks or even negotiation in my opinion. The reason I hate the Yankees is because they blatantly overspend to get the union on their side, thus putting pressure on the player to make a decision that went from "where do I really want to play" to "if I don't do this some of my lesser fortunate brethren will get less money because I just drove the market down on purpose." You dig? Smart guy? They force players to play for them. And I don't bame dude for assuming this was a Boras deal because that's exactly what he does with all his big contract guys. The issue isn't whether CC wants to play for the Yankees. Or why. Or why not. Or what it took to get him there. We know he doesn't. We know why. And now we know how much it took. I don't necessarily blame CC for taking the money. For all I know he's the greediest person alive. But I do think he's a coward for not standing up to the union and the Yankees if he truly didn't want to play in New York.

LMFAO Now Ive seen it all

 

[cobalt_27]

The Yanks are good for baseball because they're run by a bunch of dumb-asses.

 

[Michael Brown]

This deal still has me laughing.

Is there anything in the deal that Boras was asking for that the Yankees didn't say yes to?

So if CC breaks down after this season or the next (Big IF, I know), he won't opt out after 3 years obviously.

If he is a stud all 3 years, he opts out and demands the Yankees pay him even more money or threatens to go on the market a la ARod last season.

The Yanks aren't bad for baseball just because of the money they spend, they are bad because they set awful precedence for future negotiations for any team. They must have given CC a blank check and told Boras to add any other contract "perks" they wanted to make the deal and then bent over a took it without even wincing. It's just laughable - have some integrity guys.

That's similar to me walking into a car dealership and telling them I'm buying a brand new Ferrari for 2 grand, and I want free gas for the rest of my life, 24/7 access to their safety deposit box, and one of their car preps to live in the garage at my house and wax, polish and wash my car every day for the next 7 years.

Grow a set Steinbrenner, you kook.

You don't make many important decisions at your job, do you?

Wow. Is this the Obama campaign thread? What a pompous a##.

Talk about missing the point. I wasn't insulting anyone as a person, smart guy. I was referring to his approach to a management decision. He suggests the Yankees should have told Sabathia "Here's our offer, take it or leave it."Yeah that would've worked. Let's see...

Cashman: "Hey CC, we know you are hesitant about coming to NY. And we know it's going to take a very careful sales pitch to make sure you don't feel bullied by the money. And we know you're willing to take less money so you can go back home to pitch. And yeah, we need you...badly. But all that being said, everything you're asking for? Tough ####. You get none of it. We're not giving you any perks. We're not increasing our offer. You want something? Go get it somewhere else."

Yup, that would've been a great way of handling negotiations.

If my comment was misconstrued as a personal attack against anyone, my apologies. It wasn't intended that way AT ALL. I was merely commenting about how there's no way you have to make many important decisions at your job if THIS is the way you go about handling business negotiations.

Unfortunately, MB, this has nothing to do with perks or even negotiation in my opinion. The reason I hate the Yankees is because they blatantly overspend to get the union on their side, thus putting pressure on the player to make a decision that went from "where do I really want to play" to "if I don't do this some of my lesser fortunate brethren will get less money because I just drove the market down on purpose." You dig? Smart guy? They force players to play for them. And I don't bame dude for assuming this was a Boras deal because that's exactly what he does with all his big contract guys. The issue isn't whether CC wants to play for the Yankees. Or why. Or why not. Or what it took to get him there. We know he doesn't. We know why. And now we know how much it took. I don't necessarily blame CC for taking the money. For all I know he's the greediest person alive. But I do think he's a coward for not standing up to the union and the Yankees if he truly didn't want to play in New York.

He just signed a contract that will keep him in NY for the next three years at least and you somehow think you *know* that he definitely doesn't want to be here? Listen, if he didn't want to be here he wouldn't come here. You make it sound like no one has ever turned down Yankee offers before or that it's somehow impossible to do so.And you don't really think the Yankees overspend solely to get the union on their side, do you? They spend the most because they want to win at all costs. Anyone who has followed anything Steinbrenner-related since the early 1970's knows that this family will pay whatever it takes because they have this hunger, even a sickness, where they NEED to win. It's probably an inferiority complex of some sort. Maybe they are self-conscious or insecure, I don't know. And even if you don't believe in the "win at all costs" mantra and think they're only in it for the money, well they already sell out every game and have a ridiculously lucrative TV deal that's a guarantee of cash flow. So the money spent on payroll could be reduced by say, $50 million and they'd probably profit a whole lot more than they do now.

The players union, from all accounts, is nowhere near as powerful now as it was from the late 80's through the early part of the 2000's. When there was no strike during the 2002 season, that was seen as a win for the owners. The players conceded some things that no one ever thought possible. So I think we can all agree that under the last two labor negotiations, the players union has given more than they've gotten relative to how things used to be. The steroid investigation has also helped prove that if nothing else.

The reason I say this is because of your assertion that the players union has the ability to force guys to play somewhere for the good of the union. The same union that has lost (relatively speaking) the last two labor battles. And you think they have all the power here.

Back in the early 90's, the Yanks wanted free agents. They threw bundles of money at guys like Greg Maddux and Barry Bonds, who both spurned their offers because they didn't want to play in NY. Back then the league average was around $400,000 so the union had a lot of pressure to drive up salaries across the board. They weren't ALL "rich". Nowadays, the league average is probably close to $2 million. I'm not saying the union doesn't try to drive up salaries, but it doesn't NEED to apply pressure to these guys. You think they want to piss off their premiere members? Besides, do you just believe everything you hear? Do you really think CC Sabathia, premiere FA pitcher on the market and who took a long time to make his decision, really felt cornered by the big bad players association into accepting this offer? He could've easily taken less $$$ and not affected the pay structure of the league one bit. Know why? Because Johan Santana already set the salary bar for pitchers last offseason. Yeah CC's deal would've affected guys like Burnett/Lowe/Sheets, but it's not like it would have affected future negotiations. Let's say CC turned down the Yanks and signed with Milwaukee for 5 years and $100 million. A few years from now, when guys like Beckett and Haren become free agents, do you think the teams would hold them to CC's offer? Do you think they'd have any footing by saying, "We can't offer you more than 5 years because that's what CC got"? Or do you think it more likely that the guys who want to get paid tell their agents to say, "We're not CC. We want money, not Cali." And then they'd get paid, like always. To think that one guy who wants to play at home is going to affect the entire payroll structure in the game in one offseason is incorrect IMO

The of this argument sounds nonsensical. If you're going to blame people for the state of affairs with players chasing the money rather than going where YOU think they'd be happy, don't blame the Yankees. Don't blame the union. Blame the agents. The agent doesn't want to leave $50 million on the table because his commission is greatly reduced (duh). Maybe the player's ego won't allow him to take less than what the current top guy is getting. But nowhere can it be pinned on the Yankees for playing by the rules. Rules that were created by the players over the years through long and difficult negotiations.

We don't even know the terms of the contract regarding perks and you already claim the Yankees bent over and took it up the ### to get him. You say CC obviously doesn't want to be in NY. Well, if it was that obvious he wouldn't be here. He's not a dummy. He's not a rookie. He's a Cy Young winner, ace, and possible future Hall of Famer. And you think he's going to let someone else dictate what he does with that career? Crazy.

 

[Michael Brown]

The Yanks are good for baseball because they're run by a bunch of dumb-asses.

Now THIS may be correct.

 

[blackjack23]

The Yanks are good for baseball because they're run by a bunch of dumb-asses.

It sickens me how much better the Sox are run. That being said I love the CC signing but if all these other rumored deals come to fruition Ill be pissed again. Why give Burnett all that money instead of going after Tex?

 

[Raider Nation]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

 

[jobarules]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

The wins are there but he hasnt been as good as I had hoped for. His K #s are way down and that is worrisome. But his stuff still looks top notch. I think it is a little bit of a down year.

 

[Finless]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

The wins are there but he hasnt been as good as I had hoped for. His K #s are way down and that is worrisome. But his stuff still looks top notch. I think it is a little bit of a down year.

When you get 7 runs a game for support its not hard to string along a few Ws.

 

[Oh Yes!]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

The wins are there but he hasnt been as good as I had hoped for. His K #s are way down and that is worrisome. But his stuff still looks top notch. I think it is a little bit of a down year.

When you get 7 runs a game for support its not hard to string along a few Ws.

8 CC Sabathia NYY 5.97 ( 123/185.1 )9 Josh Beckett Bos 5.92 ( 112/170.1 )

 

[Capella]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

Among qualified starters, he has the 29th best ERA in baseball right now. Let's not sit here and act like he's Maddux in 95 or something.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

Among qualified starters, he has the 29th best ERA in baseball right now. Let's not sit here and act like he's Maddux in 95 or something.

Among AL starters, he's 1st in IP, 1st in Wins, 2nd in WHIP, 4th in BAA, 7th in Ks, and 10th in ERA.he seems to be doing pretty well.

probably won't matter much until we see what he does in the playoffs though. and doubtful he can keep it up for 6 more years.

 

[Capella]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

Among qualified starters, he has the 29th best ERA in baseball right now. Let's not sit here and act like he's Maddux in 95 or something.

Among AL starters, he's 1st in IP, 1st in Wins, 2nd in WHIP, 4th in BAA, 7th in Ks, and 10th in ERA.he seems to be doing pretty well.

probably won't matter much until we see what he does in the playoffs though. and doubtful he can keep it up for 6 more years.

I didn't say he's not doing well. But I would be surprised if this is not as good as it gets for this contract.

 

[Finless]

7 years

Honestly I don't think this is going to work out at all. And I don't mean 6 years from now. This guy doesn't appear to love the idea of pitching in NY, he's backed down from the biggest pressure spots in his career in the playoffs...and now he has to live up to the biggest deal ever in the biggest city for a team that missed the playoffs and is now opening up a 700 billion dollar stadium.

I'm telling you, this isn't going to work. I think he's going to struggle this year.

Among qualified starters, he has the 29th best ERA in baseball right now. Let's not sit here and act like he's Maddux in 95 or something.

Among AL starters, he's 1st in IP, 1st in Wins, 2nd in WHIP, 4th in BAA, 7th in Ks, and 10th in ERA.he seems to be doing pretty well.

probably won't matter much until we see what he does in the playoffs though. and doubtful he can keep it up for 6 more years.

I didn't say he's not doing well. But I would be surprised if this is not as good as it gets for this contract.

That albatross will be hanging around Cashman's neck for years. Good for the short term but possibly one of the worst signings ever. I'm putting this link on my calendar for a 2012 bump.