Celek, Shiancoe, Zach Miller & Shockey (1 Viewer)

[RalphMouth]

seriously.....

After Witten, Gates and Gonzo ... all whom are drafted way too early for my taste, I just don't understand why more

people won't just wait till the 13th or higher rounds to get their TE. Miller, Celek , Shiancoe and Shockey should all be there for the

taking. Shockey has a week 5 bye & Celek's is week 4. If either one stinks then just dump them on their bye and pickup

a waiver wire surprise .

 

[RookieBlitz]

Preaching to the choir my friend...

 

[MAC_32]

Preaching to the choir my friend...

 

[the spanker]

but in PPR isn't it an advantage to have a stud TE?

 

[massraider]

If I thought I could get Zach Miller in the 13th, I'd agree.

 

[Couch Potato]

There's always some jerk who has to point out he listed four guys then said "All Three Are Huge TE Values"

That would be me.

 

[Routilla]

seriously.....After Witten, Gates and Gonzo ... all whom are drafted way too early for my taste, I just don't understand why more people won't just wait till the 13th or higher rounds to get their TE. Miller, Celek , Shiancoe and Shockey should all be there for thetaking. Shockey has a week 5 bye & Celek's is week 4. If either one stinks then just dump them on their bye and pickup a waiver wire surprise .

No to Shiancoe. Harvin ,AP, Berrian get the ball before him.

 

[Ozymandias]

seriously.....After Witten, Gates and Gonzo ... all whom are drafted way too early for my taste, I just don't understand why more people won't just wait till the 13th or higher rounds to get their TE. Miller, Celek , Shiancoe and Shockey should all be there for thetaking. Shockey has a week 5 bye & Celek's is week 4. If either one stinks then just dump them on their bye and pickup a waiver wire surprise .

No to Shiancoe. Harvin ,AP, Berrian get the ball before him.

The way Favre slings the ball, it's up for grabs, every time.

 

[Desert Eagle]

seriously.....After Witten, Gates and Gonzo ... all whom are drafted way too early for my taste, I just don't understand why more people won't just wait till the 13th or higher rounds to get their TE. Miller, Celek , Shiancoe and Shockey should all be there for thetaking. Shockey has a week 5 bye & Celek's is week 4. If either one stinks then just dump them on their bye and pickup a waiver wire surprise .

No to Shiancoe. Harvin ,AP, Berrian get the ball before him.

If Favre does sign with the Vikings I think Shiancoe's stock goes up. Regardless, he will be #2 in receptions on the team.

 

[Jason Wood]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.

Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

I would say Shockey is capable in that offense with good health, but I pity the fool that relies on Brent Celek. He had exactly one game last year with more than 3 catches or 30 yards and they just drafted Ingram. Shiancoe is probably the best bet if one insists on waiting to the end for a TE. Miller has a growing rep and Shockey is a well-known name so they'll probably both be gone.

 

[Bri]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

what if the Eagles start their rookie TE? Yeah, how did Miller get lumped in here? The Jags rook?

 

[Phurfur]

Everyone seems high on Miller but my concern with him is that he only had 1 TD last year. PPR or not, TDs are still important.

 

[rzrback77]

Current consensus ADP her at FBG

TE10 Z Miller 120 overall end of round 12 in 10-teamer end of round 10 in 12-teamer

TE12 Shockey 129 overall

TE17 Shiancooe 142 overall

TE18 Celek 176 overall

I would be willing to go with Z Miller as my number one, but I would want one of the rest of these as depth only. Shockey is capable, but just not consistent enough in his behaviour as well as play.

 

[Bills_Fan11]

+2 on choir preaching.

Although for those of us not in the Dwayne Bowe fanclub, there's some merit to considering Witten around the 3/4 turn and picking up a comparable WR later. But if I miss out on the top 3 yah, I don't understand taking Winslow/Cooley over building RB/WR depth in the mid-rounds when you can have your pick from the guys you mentioned as well as Boss/Keller late.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I have Shockey as TE2 on a couple of my teams and love it.... a full season and he could go for 70 recs.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

Could you expound on your dislike of Celek this year? To me, he appeared to be a nice dark horse TE candidate you could pick up in the last rounds. I know your an Eagle fan so I figured you might have some insight into their plans.From the outside looking in, I see a TE who started to be emerge in the playoffs and now is the TE1 with LJ Smith in Baltimore who accounted for 37/298/3...and a WR corps that doesn't have a true #1 WR, it would appear that Celek does have a decent opportunity in an offense that throws alot.So what am I missing?

 

[Jason Wood]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

Could you expound on your dislike of Celek this year? To me, he appeared to be a nice dark horse TE candidate you could pick up in the last rounds. I know your an Eagle fan so I figured you might have some insight into their plans.From the outside looking in, I see a TE who started to be emerge in the playoffs and now is the TE1 with LJ Smith in Baltimore who accounted for 37/298/3...and a WR corps that doesn't have a true #1 WR, it would appear that Celek does have a decent opportunity in an offense that throws alot.So what am I missing?

The fact that Celek is a plodder. He's not a very good athlete, is a liability as a blocker, and is strictly a 'move the chains' pass catcher. He COULD catch 45-50 passes this year, but I don't think it would come with great yardage or many scores. The notion that the Eagles don't have a true #1 is specious, they think they have three true #1s now (Curtis, Jackson, Maclin) but either way, Andy and Donovan aren't going to stop distributing the ball the way they always have. The team has unbelievably high hopes for Ingram, but realistically Philly will once again be a TE by committee.

 

[packersfan]

I could see Shiancoe making the Pro Bowl next season with Favre at QB. Favre LOVES throwing to his TE - especially in the Red Zone. He made Bubba Franks a player, made Donald Lee relevant for a season and helped Keller have a good rookie year in 2008. Shiancoe could very well be the next TE who's production improves because he has Favre at QB (not to mention the fact the Vikings have little else in their passing game to utilize given their suspect WR corps).

 

[gonzobill5]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

Could you expound on your dislike of Celek this year? To me, he appeared to be a nice dark horse TE candidate you could pick up in the last rounds. I know your an Eagle fan so I figured you might have some insight into their plans.From the outside looking in, I see a TE who started to be emerge in the playoffs and now is the TE1 with LJ Smith in Baltimore who accounted for 37/298/3...and a WR corps that doesn't have a true #1 WR, it would appear that Celek does have a decent opportunity in an offense that throws alot.So what am I missing?

The fact that Celek is a plodder. He's not a very good athlete, is a liability as a blocker, and is strictly a 'move the chains' pass catcher. He COULD catch 45-50 passes this year, but I don't think it would come with great yardage or many scores. The notion that the Eagles don't have a true #1 is specious, they think they have three true #1s now (Curtis, Jackson, Maclin) but either way, Andy and Donovan aren't going to stop distributing the ball the way they always have. The team has unbelievably high hopes for Ingram, but realistically Philly will once again be a TE by committee.

Jason, I think you have a valid point about his blocking, but there is reason to believe he could improve there. If he doesn't, who's to say Ingram would be better anyway? And correct me if I'm wrong, but Philly has historically been a TE by committee because of injuries to LJ and Lewis only. Is it just me, or is the athletic TE thing way overrated? I can't remember hearing it pre-Antonio Gates.

 

[Jason Wood]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.

Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

Could you expound on your dislike of Celek this year? To me, he appeared to be a nice dark horse TE candidate you could pick up in the last rounds. I know your an Eagle fan so I figured you might have some insight into their plans.From the outside looking in, I see a TE who started to be emerge in the playoffs and now is the TE1 with LJ Smith in Baltimore who accounted for 37/298/3...and a WR corps that doesn't have a true #1 WR, it would appear that Celek does have a decent opportunity in an offense that throws alot.

So what am I missing?

The fact that Celek is a plodder. He's not a very good athlete, is a liability as a blocker, and is strictly a 'move the chains' pass catcher. He COULD catch 45-50 passes this year, but I don't think it would come with great yardage or many scores. The notion that the Eagles don't have a true #1 is specious, they think they have three true #1s now (Curtis, Jackson, Maclin) but either way, Andy and Donovan aren't going to stop distributing the ball the way they always have. The team has unbelievably high hopes for Ingram, but realistically Philly will once again be a TE by committee.

Jason, I think you have a valid point about his blocking, but there is reason to believe he could improve there. If he doesn't, who's to say Ingram would be better anyway? And correct me if I'm wrong, but Philly has historically been a TE by committee because of injuries to LJ and Lewis only. Is it just me, or is the athletic TE thing way overrated? I can't remember hearing it pre-Antonio Gates Tony Gonzalez.

Corrected.It's not overrated at all, it's caused a seachange in the role TE plays on the average NFL offense and, by proxy, the importance of TE as a fantasy position. It wasn't that long ago that a 100pt [non PPR] TE was a good bet to be a top 2 or 3 fantasy TE, but that's now a near baseline for an above average starter in 12-team leagues.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Everyone seems high on Miller but my concern with him is that he only had 1 TD last year. PPR or not, TDs are still important.

Yeah, I liked Miller last year and drafted him late, but again this year it's difficult for me to see him scoring more than a few TDs. But I play no PPR.I would rather take Daniels or Cooley a little earlier. I see both of those guys improving their TD totals for sure - 1 TD on 83 rec, and 2 TDs on on 70 rec? That won't happen again. Greg Olsen being drafted before these guys = superlol.

 

[massraider]

Everyone seems high on Miller but my concern with him is that he only had 1 TD last year. PPR or not, TDs are still important.

Yeah, I liked Miller last year and drafted him late, but again this year it's difficult for me to see him scoring more than a few TDs. But I play no PPR.I would rather take Daniels or Cooley a little earlier. I see both of those guys improving their TD totals for sure - 1 TD on 83 rec, and 2 TDs on on 70 rec? That won't happen again. Greg Olsen being drafted before these guys = superlol.

You know, it's also possible they don't get 83/70 receptions.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

U DON'T SAY

They could also catch more. If Schaub plays all year I expect Daniels's numbers to be even bigger. In the games that Rosenfels played last season, Daniels had one amazing game (11 rec) but in the others only caught 5, 1, 1, 3, 2.

 

[massraider]

U DON'T SAY

They could also catch more.

That's what I say about Olsen. I think he's top 3 TE this year.

 

[LBH]

U DON'T SAYThey could also catch more. If Schaub plays all year I expect Daniels's numbers to be even bigger. In the games that Rosenfels played last season, Daniels had one amazing game (11 rec) but in the others only caught 5, 1, 1, 3, 2.

That 11 rec game was split between Schaub/Sage. Agree on Daniels being very good in PPR.I like Celek a lot as a bargain late rd TE

 

[renesauz]

First of all I would draw a huge distinction between Miller and the other three.

Second, the reason waiting isn't a shark move is because the position has evolved to a point where plugging in a guy, particularly in PPR, can be disastrous. Realistically you will be at the disadvantage in most weeks if you start any of these guys, save for Miller. I would be quite surprised if any of the others pushed for Top 10 numbers this season, particularly Celek.

Could you expound on your dislike of Celek this year? To me, he appeared to be a nice dark horse TE candidate you could pick up in the last rounds. I know your an Eagle fan so I figured you might have some insight into their plans.From the outside looking in, I see a TE who started to be emerge in the playoffs and now is the TE1 with LJ Smith in Baltimore who accounted for 37/298/3...and a WR corps that doesn't have a true #1 WR, it would appear that Celek does have a decent opportunity in an offense that throws alot.

So what am I missing?

The fact that Celek is a plodder. He's not a very good athlete, is a liability as a blocker, and is strictly a 'move the chains' pass catcher. He COULD catch 45-50 passes this year, but I don't think it would come with great yardage or many scores. The notion that the Eagles don't have a true #1 is specious, they think they have three true #1s now (Curtis, Jackson, Maclin) but either way, Andy and Donovan aren't going to stop distributing the ball the way they always have. The team has unbelievably high hopes for Ingram, but realistically Philly will once again be a TE by committee.

Jason, I think you have a valid point about his blocking, but there is reason to believe he could improve there. If he doesn't, who's to say Ingram would be better anyway? And correct me if I'm wrong, but Philly has historically been a TE by committee because of injuries to LJ and Lewis only. Is it just me, or is the athletic TE thing way overrated? I can't remember hearing it pre-Antonio Gates.

I was real high on Celek before the draft. After taking Ingram early, and reading the reports....I'm not so sure now. I would feel a lot better about Celek if it weren't for Ingram breathing down his neck.Still...in the tenth+ round, he makes a low risk/high reward pick....a perfect fantasy backup in late July/early August.

 

[Routilla]

I'm warming up to Shockey. I have not expected anything from him the last 2 years but I think he has settled down. He has been at the mini camps from what I've heard and appears to be in good shape. Not a bad option when healthy for Brees considering the WRs have been banged up this off season. Plus he's available late.

 

[David Yudkin]

I could see Shiancoe making the Pro Bowl next season with Favre at QB. Favre LOVES throwing to his TE - especially in the Red Zone. He made Bubba Franks a player, made Donald Lee relevant for a season and helped Keller have a good rookie year in 2008. Shiancoe could very well be the next TE who's production improves because he has Favre at QB (not to mention the fact the Vikings have little else in their passing game to utilize given their suspect WR corps).

Fantasy rankings for TE with Favre . . .1992 Jackie Harris 51993 Jackie Harris 81994 Ed West 161995 Mark Chmura 21996 Keith Jackson 41997 Mark Chmura 81998 Mark Chmura 8, Tyrone Davis 121999 Tyronne Davis 282000 Bubba Franks 222001 Bubba Franks 62002 Bubba Franks 42003 Bubba Franks 202004 Bubba Franks 102005 Donald Lee 252006 David Martin 342007 Donald Lee 92008 Dustin Keller 14