Chad Johnson - Injury cause for concern? (1 Viewer)

[ztiwomik]

I drafted Chad Johnson last night in the 3rd round of my draft. I'm really hoping that this injury is going to be a non issue.

What have you heard about Chad Johnson and his injury? Is he going to bounce back from this and play week 1? Will this be a lingering issue all season?

What do you know and whats your thoughts?

 

[Big Score]

Johnson underwent an MRI and X-rays, and Lewis said, "Everything was good."

news.cincinnati.com

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I'd drop him a few spots ADP-wise, but nothing so drastic as to drop him by a round or two.

Yes, the injury is a cause for concern because it will likely affect his play for the first month of the season.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'd drop him a few spots ADP-wise, but nothing so drastic as to drop him by a round or two.

Yes, the injury is a cause for concern because it will likely affect his play for the first month of the season.

FALSE! Unless you are a medical doctor and have seen his injury before you post is just total guess work.

 

[bucsbaby]

imo he'll be fine. he's played through injury before and this doesn't appear to be overly serious. he's a passionate football player and will want to be out there making plays.

 

[davearm]

This just makes his already strong value even stronger. He isn't getting past me at 2.12, and this pretty much solidifies that he'll make it that far.

 

[King of the Jungle]

The injury inside Chad's brain is the one owners should be concerned with. The game versus the Lion's, Carson throws a very catchable ball on a slant and CJ gets it ripped out of his hands. CJ walking back to the huddle showing with his hands wear he wants the ball from Carson. He has no respect for anyone and his act is getting old. He is the most overrated WR in the NFL IMO. He is a good deep threat, but lacks YAC and is not tough over the middle. Cincy would be smart to get value for him now if they can.

 

[finnref]

From the medical, orthopedic standpoint, Chad dislocated his shoulder. It popped back into place on the field. It makes no difference how soon it popped back. It was dislocated and a dislocation causes soft tissue injury to the ligaments and tendons, and sometimes to the labrum ( cartilage) of the shoulder. A dislocation in young people stands a 90% chance of recurrence. This percentage includes non-athletes. It is more likely to occur in an athlete playing contact sports. Therefore, his prognosis is uncertain. If he can get through this season, he may need futute surgery.

 

[finnref]

In answer to a recent other post on Chad Johnson, please see above post about shoulder dislocations. He will need surgery, but when? Will he get through this season without another dislocation. Probably not.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

I'm not a doctor and my labrum isn't torn but the Bengals are taking some pretty drastic moves in re-signing Chris Henry after releasing him and now offering Rudi Johnson up for trade for a WR. Those are moves a team makes when they are very concerned IMO.

 

[NoFBinLA]

I'm not a doctor and my labrum isn't torn but the Bengals are taking some pretty drastic moves in re-signing Chris Henry after releasing him and now offering Rudi Johnson up for trade for a WR. Those are moves a team makes when they are very concerned IMO.

Assuming the Rudi rumor is true.Now, I wasn't an athlete in college, but dislocated my shoulder bad. Damaged both ligaments. I could still play sports and do a bunch of stuff - but eventually dislocated it again and tore both ligaments in my shoulder.Now, he may be wearing some equipment I wasnt to keep it in place but 1) his range of motion will have limitations and 2) he gets tackled a lot more than I did.He could conceivably play the season without it being a big factor. But he could make it worse and be out for a chunk of the season too.

 

[FantasyFreak]

Being that this is all "concern" from a fantasy perspective, I say YES. We are talking about a top 10 WR now to a game-time decisions as a WR3 in 3 WR starting rosters.

CJ will get less than 50% of the plays/calls that he would have if he didn't have this injury. If he does stay on the field and play, Lewis is not going to make things worse by calling his number on a consistant basis. What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.

This crushes his fantasy value.

So what if he's playing. He's injured and won't get the plays. Trade him if someone is interested, pick up a decent #1 guy or a strong #2 for him. I'd even go after someone who "could" have a great year.

Holding onto him at this point is just wishful thinking, and will cost you points if you start him.

If all proves true, and he is worthless from a fantasy standpoint. You likely lost your chance to scoop a better WR now, since you want to "see what happens".....

Dish him.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.

Didn't TJ say he still isn't sure if he'll be able to play in the first game? With him hobbled, who is Chad opening things up for? As long as he can get open, CJ is worth starting. He'll run routes that don't make him vulnerable to a waxing.

 

[FantasyFreak]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.

Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.

Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

 

[Baron Samedi]

Being that this is all "concern" from a fantasy perspective, I say YES. We are talking about a top 10 WR now to a game-time decisions as a WR3 in 3 WR starting rosters.

CJ will get less than 50% of the plays/calls that he would have if he didn't have this injury. If he does stay on the field and play, Lewis is not going to make things worse by calling his number on a consistant basis. What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.

This crushes his fantasy value.

So what if he's playing. He's injured and won't get the plays. Trade him if someone is interested, pick up a decent #1 guy or a strong #2 for him. I'd even go after someone who "could" have a great year.

Holding onto him at this point is just wishful thinking, and will cost you points if you start him.

If all proves true, and he is worthless from a fantasy standpoint. You likely lost your chance to scoop a better WR now, since you want to "see what happens".....

Dish him.

I'll believe that when I see it, Marvin's job is on the line he needs to win now and CJ can help him do it. IMO if CJ can stay on the field, Cincy will use him early and often cause they have no one else with TJ's hammy injury.

 

[Chunky Soup]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

 

[Rounders]

A lot of doom and gloom in here.

 

[FantasyFreak]

A lot of doom and gloom in here.

 

[NoFBinLA]

A lot of doom and gloom in here.

well yes, but there is also a fair bit of reality.Once you pop your shoulder out, it's easier to do - athlete or not. CJ plays in a high-contact sport and gets hit hard. On top of that, he extends his arms to make catches.It is not insane to think he runs the risk of popping that sucker out again - and tearing somethign worse. It's reality.Now again - if you draft him in the right place, I still say he plays a chunk of the season and has great value. Just not as a #1. If he's your #1, it's risky.

 

[thehornet]

Being that this is all "concern" from a fantasy perspective, I say YES. We are talking about a top 10 WR now to a game-time decisions as a WR3 in 3 WR starting rosters.CJ will get less than 50% of the plays/calls that he would have if he didn't have this injury. If he does stay on the field and play, Lewis is not going to make things worse by calling his number on a consistant basis. What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.This crushes his fantasy value.So what if he's playing. He's injured and won't get the plays. Trade him if someone is interested, pick up a decent #1 guy or a strong #2 for him. I'd even go after someone who "could" have a great year. Holding onto him at this point is just wishful thinking, and will cost you points if you start him. If all proves true, and he is worthless from a fantasy standpoint. You likely lost your chance to scoop a better WR now, since you want to "see what happens".....Dish him.

 

[FantasyFreak]

I think he's a number 3WR at best, based on his situation and likelihood of further damage.

Too Risky. I'd rather have a Cotchery or a legit #2WR on my squad than the Risky Situation of CJ.

I find it hard to beleive that he's still going to put #1WR numbers, even #2 WR numbers.

 

[pizzatyme]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

This sounds like someone hopeful of getting CJ in the 5th!I aint buyin what you sellin!

 

[FantasyFreak]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

This sounds like someone hopeful of getting CJ in the 5th!I aint buyin what you sellin!

...you probably drafted David Boston every year too......

 

[Shooter McGavin]

A lot of doom and gloom in here.

well yes, but there is also a fair bit of reality.Once you pop your shoulder out, it's easier to do - athlete or not. CJ plays in a high-contact sport and gets hit hard. On top of that, he extends his arms to make catches.It is not insane to think he runs the risk of popping that sucker out again - and tearing somethign worse. It's reality.Now again - if you draft him in the right place, I still say he plays a chunk of the season and has great value. Just not as a #1. If he's your #1, it's risky.

As a point of reference, I had a draft last night, and it started around the time that ESPN was reporting the injury (we had the TV on). He fell to the 5th round, at which point I decided to roll the dice on him (as my 3rd receiver). It remains to be seen if that's a value or not. I agree with the assessment that there's a significant risk that he doesn't finish the season. I wouldn't want to go into the season with Johnson as my 1st or 2nd receiver, but I think there's definitely a point where the upside potential outweighs the risk. That's especially true if you can get another receiver who can serve as a backup plan if he does miss games. Depending on the depth of your league, that can be done in the draft or possibly during the season on the waiver wire.

 

[pizzatyme]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

This sounds like someone hopeful of getting CJ in the 5th!I aint buyin what you sellin!

...you probably drafted David Boston every year too......

Yes, because CJ and Boston are certainly equals.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

CJ will get less than 50% of the plays/calls that he would have if he didn't have this injury. If he does stay on the field and play, Lewis is not going to make things worse by calling his number on a consistant basis. What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.

For some reason, I don't see Marvin being too concerned about CJ's health. If he's willing to play, he'll get the ball.

 

[jon_mx]

I would trade a WR3 for Chad Johnson any day of the week. This drops Chad to a high WR2, but I wouldn't go much lower than that. Chad can still do 1400 yds and 10 TDs. Wouldn't want Chad to be my #1 guy, but I would be thrilled to have him as my WR2. Chad may fall to the 6th round now, at which point he is a steal.

 

[FantasyFreak]

He'll get crushed, it will pop out again, he'll undergo surgery and be out for the rest of the season.Everyone who held onto him "just to see what happens" will be sorry.Dish him, get what you can for him now, while you still have an oppurtunity......

This sounds like someone hopeful of getting CJ in the 5th!I aint buyin what you sellin!

...you probably drafted David Boston every year too......

Yes, because CJ and Boston are certainly equals.

Equal in the sense that they are "predicted to still be studs". Which is not the case. But you are too stubborn to admit it. Keep riding that train......I agree with the latest post. Good to have as a 3rd WR, good to get late in the draft.This argument is for those who think he's still a #1WR and that he's a smart start at the 1 or 2 spot (like pizzatyme )

 

[theplayer11]

Being that this is all "concern" from a fantasy perspective, I say YES. We are talking about a top 10 WR now to a game-time decisions as a WR3 in 3 WR starting rosters.CJ will get less than 50% of the plays/calls that he would have if he didn't have this injury. If he does stay on the field and play, Lewis is not going to make things worse by calling his number on a consistant basis. What will likely happen, is that he'll be a "threat". He'll run down the field and open the passing game to the other guys.This crushes his fantasy value.So what if he's playing. He's injured and won't get the plays. Trade him if someone is interested, pick up a decent #1 guy or a strong #2 for him. I'd even go after someone who "could" have a great year. Holding onto him at this point is just wishful thinking, and will cost you points if you start him. If all proves true, and he is worthless from a fantasy standpoint. You likely lost your chance to scoop a better WR now, since you want to "see what happens".....Dish him.

whole post doesn't make a bit of sense...if he plays, he will have the ball thrown to him and he will catch the ball...if he gets whacked and causes injury, so be it.

 

[cmv5]

I would trade a WR3 for Chad Johnson any day of the week. This drops Chad to a high WR2, but I wouldn't go much lower than that. Chad can still do 1400 yds and 10 TDs. Wouldn't want Chad to be my #1 guy, but I would be thrilled to have him as my WR2. Chad may fall to the 6th round now, at which point he is a steal.

So you see pretty much a career year for Chad Johnson? Chad has come close but has only had 10 touchdowns in his career once. Not to mention if we are talking leagues where you play head to head, his inconsistency from week to week leaves much to be desired. Couple this with a shoulder injury and I kick him down a tier.

 

[habsfan]

whole post doesn't make a bit of sense...if he plays, he will have the ball thrown to him and he will catch the ball...if he gets whacked and causes injury, so be it.

I seem to recall a guy named Harrison playing hurt a but last year and he was nothing more than a decoy when he was out there. Not saying that's CJ's situation now but to claim it doesn't happen is just inaccurate.

 

[Shooter McGavin]

I would trade a WR3 for Chad Johnson any day of the week. This drops Chad to a high WR2, but I wouldn't go much lower than that. Chad can still do 1400 yds and 10 TDs. Wouldn't want Chad to be my #1 guy, but I would be thrilled to have him as my WR2. Chad may fall to the 6th round now, at which point he is a steal.

Might want to temper those expectations a bit. He's never done 1400 & 10 in his career, and I wouldn't think the year that he is dealing with this injury and in what looks to possibly be a less prolific offense would be the year that he'd do that. 2002 69 1166 5

2003 90 1355 10

2004 95 1274 9

2005 97 1432 9

2006 87 1369 7

2007 93 1440 8

I currently have him projected at 74/1066/7, and I think that might be optimistic.

 

[FantasyFreak]

Finally some people who agree. His value clearly drops, significantly......

 

[bollocks28]

I am just hoping he plays in week 1. We keep 8 guys from year to year and I packaged off Chad, Willie Parker and Selvin Young in exchange for Brian Westbrook last week. The only way I could get the deal done was to offer an insurance policy on the trade (pretty creative if I do say so myself). The insurance was that if Chad did not play in week 1 he would be returned to me in exchange for Terrell Owens prior to week 2. Please Chad, please play at least 1 down in week 1.

:(

 

[MDSkinner]

I think he's a number 3WR at best, based on his situation and likelihood of further damage.Too Risky. I'd rather have a Cotchery or a legit #2WR on my squad than the Risky Situation of CJ.I find it hard to beleive that he's still going to put #1WR numbers, even #2 WR numbers.

You may be right. You may not be.The thing is, if you have relatively good depth (say for instance you have CJ as your 1) and you were able to select Calvin Johnson as your 2 and then someone like (since you use him) Cotchery as your number 3. In a start 2 WR league, you could probably take the risk of having Ocho on your team even with a couple of bye weeks to deal with. That same scenario in a start 3 WR league would not be as good, clearly.My point is to say Too Risky is a very relative thing. In some situations he could very well be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick.

 

[jon_mx]

I would trade a WR3 for Chad Johnson any day of the week. This drops Chad to a high WR2, but I wouldn't go much lower than that. Chad can still do 1400 yds and 10 TDs. Wouldn't want Chad to be my #1 guy, but I would be thrilled to have him as my WR2. Chad may fall to the 6th round now, at which point he is a steal.

Might want to temper those expectations a bit. He's never done 1400 & 10 in his career, and I wouldn't think the year that he is dealing with this injury and in what looks to possibly be a less prolific offense would be the year that he'd do that. 2002 69 1166 5

2003 90 1355 10

2004 95 1274 9

2005 97 1432 9

2006 87 1369 7

2007 93 1440 8

I currently have him projected at 74/1066/7, and I think that might be optimistic.

1400/10 was not my projection, it is what a healthy CJ is capable of. Chad has averaged 1374/9 the last 5 seasons.

 

[shredhead]

I am just hoping he plays in week 1. We keep 8 guys from year to year and I packaged off Chad, Willie Parker and Selvin Young in exchange for Brian Westbrook last week. The only way I could get the deal done was to offer an insurance policy on the trade (pretty creative if I do say so myself). The insurance was that if Chad did not play in week 1 he would be returned to me in exchange for Terrell Owens prior to week 2. Please Chad, please play at least 1 down in week 1. :whoosh:

I'm hoping for 2 weeks out of him then I'll have brandon marshall take over for him. Anything over 2 weeks is all gravy for me because I only have to start 1 WR.Looks like I'll be running the wishbone this season.

 

[jerseys finest]

whole post doesn't make a bit of sense...if he plays, he will have the ball thrown to him and he will catch the ball...if he gets whacked and causes injury, so be it.

I seem to recall a guy named Harrison playing hurt a but last year and he was nothing more than a decoy when he was out there. Not saying that's CJ's situation now but to claim it doesn't happen is just inaccurate.

I recall a guy named Winslow playing with basically the same injury last season (not a knee injury like harrison) and putting up his best season statistically. all this while having much more stress put on the shouler by blocking D-lineman and Linebackers weekly, something CJ wont have to do. its a playable injury.Now, of course the inury does worry me. I drop him into the WR2/WR3 category because of it, but to think he'll just be a decoy, is just crazy. Despite CJ's antics, he'll be a warrior on the field and play until he physically cant play anymore. Just seems like the media is blowing this out of proportion because CJ is CJ. Ocho Cinco is a victim of his own hype. He has an injury which he can play with and physically wont hamper his game much outside of him landing awkwardly and reinjuring or causing further damage to the shoulder, but they'll always be quick to focus on the shoulder weekly, despite his play, because he is chad johnson. he'll dance, he'll talk, he'll be himelf. The bengals know the situation and will ride CJ until the wheels literally fall off.I'd definately still draft him as a starting WR2 or 3. Having him as my #1 would definately worry me though. There seems to be 3 choices at this point. 1. Dont draft him, avoid the headache. 2. Draft him, hope he puts a string of good games up early and trade him and let someone else worry or 3. Draft him and stick with him and hope the risk was worth the reward. It all depends on how much stock you put into him reinjuring the shoulder at some point throughout the season. Either way, its presenting value in drafts if you think he's going to tough it out and produce. Which is the direction im currently leaning, its something that will clearly need to be watched closely though if you do go with him.

 

[MDSkinner]

I recall a guy named Winslow playing with basically the same injury last season (not a knee injury like harrison) and putting up his best season statistically. all this while having much more stress put on the shouler by blocking D-lineman and Linebackers weekly, something CJ wont have to do. its a playable injury.Now, of course the inury does worry me. I drop him into the WR2/WR3 category because of it, but to think he'll just be a decoy, is just crazy. Despite CJ's antics, he'll be a warrior on the field and play until he physically cant play anymore. Just seems like the media is blowing this out of proportion because CJ is CJ. Ocho Cinco is a victim of his own hype. He has an injury which he can play with and physically wont hamper his game much outside of him landing awkwardly and reinjuring or causing further damage to the shoulder, but they'll always be quick to focus on the shoulder weekly, despite his play, because he is chad johnson. he'll dance, he'll talk, he'll be himelf. The bengals know the situation and will ride CJ until the wheels literally fall off.I'd definately still draft him as a starting WR2 or 3. Having him as my #1 would definately worry me though. There seems to be 3 choices at this point. 1. Dont draft him, avoid the headache. 2. Draft him, hope he puts a string of good games up early and trade him and let someone else worry or 3. Draft him and stick with him and hope the risk was worth the reward. It all depends on how much stock you put into him reinjuring the shoulder at some point throughout the season. Either way, its presenting value in drafts if you think he's going to tough it out and produce. Which is the direction im currently leaning, its something that will clearly need to be watched closely though if you go with him though.

This is what it is all about. Clearly CJ has the potential to represent value. What that point is (in terms of when do you feel you must draft him) will change for everyone.

 

[Deuce'sWild]

anyone care to take a stab at value for him?

I offered the Plax Burress owner a trade for Ocho Cinco straight up...am I panicking too much?

 

[Maui Monster]

Didn't this guy do pushups to prove he could play? Kellen Winslow played with a harness and played very well. Am I worried? Yes. But not panicking.

Chad johnson will have his typical year where he has off weeks and couple of 150yd 2TD games to pad his year end stats.

 

[Maui Monster]

anyone care to take a stab at value for him?I offered the Plax Burress owner a trade for Ocho Cinco straight up...am I panicking too much?

Well that sounds like a Maybe Gimp (Chad) for a for sure gimp (Plax)

 

[NoFBinLA]

A lot of doom and gloom in here.

well yes, but there is also a fair bit of reality.Once you pop your shoulder out, it's easier to do - athlete or not. CJ plays in a high-contact sport and gets hit hard. On top of that, he extends his arms to make catches.It is not insane to think he runs the risk of popping that sucker out again - and tearing somethign worse. It's reality.Now again - if you draft him in the right place, I still say he plays a chunk of the season and has great value. Just not as a #1. If he's your #1, it's risky.

As a point of reference, I had a draft last night, and it started around the time that ESPN was reporting the injury (we had the TV on). He fell to the 5th round, at which point I decided to roll the dice on him (as my 3rd receiver). It remains to be seen if that's a value or not. I agree with the assessment that there's a significant risk that he doesn't finish the season. I wouldn't want to go into the season with Johnson as my 1st or 2nd receiver, but I think there's definitely a point where the upside potential outweighs the risk. That's especially true if you can get another receiver who can serve as a backup plan if he does miss games. Depending on the depth of your league, that can be done in the draft or possibly during the season on the waiver wire.

Yeah in a FSWA Experts league I did, I grabbed him in the 4th as my third WR behind TO and Larry Fitz.I think the risk there is minimal. But without sturdy WRs in front of him, it might not be worth it.

 

[vikingdave]

just nabbed Chad as my WR3 in the 4th round of a draft...