Chad Johnson (1 Viewer)

[rascal]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?

While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?

12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

 

[ceo3west]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

I couldnt be more disappointed thus far. I have B. Edwards & Jennings on my bench - one more week of this and CJ will be riding pine.

 

[Bri]

This is not new, he's alway struggled against the Browns for example....well last few years.

He's awesome when he's "on" but like many WRs he can be shut down. I figure if Carson throws 4 TDs, Henry and Housh do well, and they win, opposing teams will have no choice but to reconsider their defensive scheme.

Seems hypocritical, it'll happen just not often IMO

 

[J-Co]

Way too early to panic. All WRs have flat spots when you look at their week to week output over the course of the year and Chad's end of year totals have been very good for several years running now. Look at Marvin Harrison last year for another example.

 

[The Shizzle]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

 

[Zman800]

The bad part of yesterday was he was open multiple times and the targets were not there.

I'm not panicking yet but may look at using Glenn or B. Edwards if he keeps being ignored by Palmer.

It's hard to get numbers with low numbers of passes going his way.

 

[Lauryn]

they have several talented pass catchers, and palmer is not one to force-feed one WR over another just for the sake of doing so. i have chad in my main league, and don't have any plans to ditch him, but i've also come to grips with the fact that he's not gonna catch 11-12 TD in a season, and he's gonna have some pretty dead weeks if the coverage is stacked against him. it's just the way it is, and it started once palmer became the QB.

 

[Isotopes]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

Is that a 'Dumb and Dumber-esque' response?

 

[parrot]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

Those are his totals for THREE games.

 

[Z-Dog]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

He has put those numbers up over the first three games of the season, not one game. His current production prorates to 64 catches, 731 yards, and 5 TDs. That said, WRs are notoriously inconsistent, and the emergence of Chris Henry has an impacat. If you are the D coordinator, you worry about CJ first, and Housh and Henry later. With Housh and Henry doing serious damage, coverages will change and Johnson will put up some bigger games. I say Chad Johnson is a great buy-low candidate.

 

[Maulers]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

Actually its not. 137/3 games. You divided by one.

 

[Thunderchicken]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

Been following football very close this year? Those are his stats thru three games, not just one game. You are projecting your inflated stats based on 12/137/1 being one game. No one would be upset if their WR gave them that productivity. Take a second to make sure you understand before spending the time to calculate projections and then being wrong.

 

[Wingnut]

BAM! BAM! BAM!

 

[PatsWillWin]

hey those stats are through 3 games, not 1.

 

[tangfoot]

I may be mistaken, but I believe those may in fact be his totals over three games.

Because you needed to be told for a 12th time.

 

[fatboyj711]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

Is that a 'Dumb and Dumber-esque' response?

Ironically, his avatar is an animated GIF of a scene in Dumb and Dumber... I hope he was joking

 

[TheWick]

BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE BOYS

 

[Wingnut]

BEAT THAT DEAD HORSE BOYS

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[The Jerk]

I expect Chad's numbers to approach his previous seasons. I would expect 1100-1200 yards and 9-10 TDs. Division rivals are often the best at taking away a team's top rivals. In 2 of the first 3 games, the Bengals have played teams from their division. If you recall, Chad had a sure TD bounce to him on a poor pass from Palmer in Week 1 against the Chiefs. If that pass is on target, we're not having this thread, or it would be only about his 1-11 performance against the Steelers.

If Chad approaches his recent season averages, that means he should get rougly 1000 yards and 8-9 TDs in the next 13 games. In a sense, his production might be backloaded, which isn't bad for a fantasy owner.

 

[valhallan]

The bad part of yesterday was he was open multiple times and the targets were not there.

I watched the whole game and walked away thinking, "was he a decoy?" They gave him a quick pass early to show the Steelers he's ok but then Palmer never looked his way again. I wonder if CJ still wasn't ready to take some big hits so they just used him to draw coverage. I dunno. The whole thing was very frustrating.

 

[inca911]

"DUDE!" WHAT'S MINE SAY?

 

[The Jerk]

The bad part of yesterday was he was open multiple times and the targets were not there.

I watched the whole game and walked away thinking, "was he a decoy?" They gave him a quick pass early to show the Steelers he's ok but then Palmer never looked his way again. I wonder if CJ still wasn't ready to take some big hits so they just used him to draw coverage. I dunno. The whole thing was very frustrating.

Interesting. Even if he wasn't 100% decoy, it's possible the Bengals wanted to limit his hits in the game.

 

[gman8343]

I think CJ is in for a big next game, I'm sure he let Palmer/Lewis know about his lack of action in the game and they'll want to keep him happy.

 

[delusional]

amazing that my combo of palmer johnson has lead me to 0-3 $#@$3

 

[TD Ryan]

yeah, I didn't look any #s up but I recall C Johnson owners being pretty angry early on in the '05 season.

relax.

I'm gonna' go look up his first 5 games of '05 now just to prove to myself that I have a steel trap mind.

 

[Islander]

I think CJ is in for a big next game, I'm sure he let Palmer/Lewis know about his lack of action in the game and they'll want to keep him happy.

Great WRs who get upset about the lack of action almost NEVER get two games in a row like this unless the guy is injured. I would be shocked if Palmer does not look his way this week. In fact, Palmer will be biased towards CJ this week.

 

[TD Ryan]

OK, I just looked it up.

that was in '04 that CJ started off slow.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Any chance his concussion last week made them careful with him? ie he was a decoy this week and they had no intention of having him catch one over the middle and get knocked around.

Didn't watch the game, but he didn't have many targets.

Plus with Chris Henry riding shotgun in the barfmobile, maybe CJ gets some more attention next week.

 

[Super King]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

thats his season stats after 3 games.

 

[Rushmore]

I don't think CJ was totally healthy yesterday. I wouldn't panic.

 

[sinatravolta]

I was a CJ owner the last 2 years and I love the guy and in each case (especially 2 years ago) he exceeded his draft position.

Going into this year, though, I wasn't super-high on him. I watched too many games late last year where Housh got the TDs because Chad got all the defensive attention (and Henry was getting TDs as well). This year I got Housh in the late 4th and was quite happy. Now - this doesn't mean you should even consider benching Chad, nor trying to trade him (since his value won't be at its highest this week) - but I would reduce your expectations. The Bengals have a lot of weapons - and while he's going to have big weeks - there are going to be weeks where Housh and/or Henry outscore him. I doubt there will be any more 1 catch games - but still - I think his numbers overall will be down from last year.

 

[Sigfawn]

Is it time to downgrade Chad Johnson from uber WR status?While the talent is there for a top 5 WR, the production thus far is not. Will we continue to see opposing D's focus on him forcing Palmer to rely on Housh and Henry? Or with Housh being healthy will defenses no longer be allowed to focus on Chad as much, allowing him to return to previous form?12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Downgrade? Over 16 games, it is 2192 yards and 16 TD's. If my receiver averaged those numbers, I would win my league easily. 12/137/1 are great stats.....relax.

I'm so relaxed, those stats look correct.

 

[The Jerk]

I was a CJ owner the last 2 years and I love the guy and in each case (especially 2 years ago) he exceeded his draft position. Going into this year, though, I wasn't super-high on him. I watched too many games late last year where Housh got the TDs because Chad got all the defensive attention (and Henry was getting TDs as well). This year I got Housh in the late 4th and was quite happy. Now - this doesn't mean you should even consider benching Chad, nor trying to trade him (since his value won't be at its highest this week) - but I would reduce your expectations. The Bengals have a lot of weapons - and while he's going to have big weeks - there are going to be weeks where Housh and/or Henry outscore him. I doubt there will be any more 1 catch games - but still - I think his numbers overall will be down from last year.

You may be right, but a lot of times these situations are self-correcting mechanisms. The more the Bengals score TDs with players other than Johnson, the more defenses will distribute their coverages. The Steelers have allowed Chad only 2 TDs in 12 games, so the Bengals were wise to not force the ball to him. Add the lingering concussion effects (or just concern not to set him up for more big hits) and I think it's easy to read too much into one game.Again, in the first game, he had a sure TD bounce at his feet. You can't just dismiss his slow start, but he nearly had 140 yards and 2 TDs through the first two weeks. If Chad's on your roster, I think you hold onto him and keep plugging him in your lineup. If you can get him, his value is probably as low now as it will get all year.

 

[Mack DAddy]

I did not see the game, but from looking at the stats is appears to me that Pitt did not think Housh ws 100% so left him alone (9 catches, 91 yards, 2 TD's). Everything I read is tha CJ was mauled yesterday, which seems apparent looking at Henry's and Housh's stats. Don't give up on CJ. It's only one game!

 

[sinatravolta]

I was a CJ owner the last 2 years and I love the guy and in each case (especially 2 years ago) he exceeded his draft position. Going into this year, though, I wasn't super-high on him. I watched too many games late last year where Housh got the TDs because Chad got all the defensive attention (and Henry was getting TDs as well). This year I got Housh in the late 4th and was quite happy. Now - this doesn't mean you should even consider benching Chad, nor trying to trade him (since his value won't be at its highest this week) - but I would reduce your expectations. The Bengals have a lot of weapons - and while he's going to have big weeks - there are going to be weeks where Housh and/or Henry outscore him. I doubt there will be any more 1 catch games - but still - I think his numbers overall will be down from last year.

You may be right, but a lot of times these situations are self-correcting mechanisms. The more the Bengals score TDs with players other than Johnson, the more defenses will distribute their coverages. The Steelers have allowed Chad only 2 TDs in 12 games, so the Bengals were wise to not force the ball to him. Add the lingering concussion effects (or just concern not to set him up for more big hits) and I think it's easy to read too much into one game.Again, in the first game, he had a sure TD bounce at his feet. You can't just dismiss his slow start, but he nearly had 140 yards and 2 TDs through the first two weeks. If Chad's on your roster, I think you hold onto him and keep plugging him in your lineup. If you can get him, his value is probably as low now as it will get all year.

I agree that now is a good time to trade for him. I think it's kind of like Harrison. There was a period where Harrison was THE big receiving threat in Indy and Manning always looked to him and he was up there with Moss and TO in their best years. But now Harrison is still an elite WR, but there are so many options on the Colts and Wayne is very good - so Harrison is still great and the #1 guy, but not as great as he used to be. To me it's not the same, but is similar with Chad. He's still in his prime more so than Harrison, and never had the TDs Marvin had, but the Bengals have advanced and now there's more TDs and passes that go to other guys on the team. There are still few WRs I'd rather have than Chad, but he doesn't stand out as much as before.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Any chance his concussion last week made them careful with him? ie he was a decoy this week and they had no intention of having him catch one over the middle and get knocked around.Didn't watch the game, but he didn't have many targets.

I thought the same thing when I saw his stats for the week. I wonder if he wasn't still a bit

 

[King of the Jungle]

I think Chad has matured a little this year. When asked how he thought Carson played, he said: "He played a hell of a game. Can I say that? He played a hell of a game."

Chad will have his days. They have three wide receivers that could be #1's on most squads. Carson's ability to spread the wealth makes this team nearly impossible to defend. Chad is an ultra-talent and will have these type of games due to the surrounding talent (similar to harrison, wayne stokley 04').

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

Unlike a QB like Delhomme who locks on one guy, Palmer works the ball around. If CJ is doubled as is often the case he'll find the mismatch. With WRs like Housh and Henry no need to force it to CJ in coverage. I wouldn't worry too much CJ has led the AFC in receiving yards the past three years. I do think his TD production will be spotty due to all the other options on O.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Chris Henry has 23 targets this year and Johnson 21 -- so it's not a 1-game thing. Wouldn't be at all surprised if the targets are pretty well split among the three for the entire season either. Palmer has spoken openly about how much he loves Henry.

Oddly, I think the WR winner in this offense may well be the #3 receiver since the talent mismatch against the #3 CB is so great.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I own 85 and you can't have him.

It's a great sign that he is not producing and the Bengals are still winning. Teams will have to respect Rudi, Housh and Henry or else lose. Then 85 gets open for one or two of his classic long TD's.

Glad to see no one else is panicking either.

 

[Slum Lord]

12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Which is EXACTLY why i'm making a move this week to trade for him, being a Palmer owner. You KNOW he's due, and he will get his. Its only a matter of time.

 

[jbz]

The spotlighted CJ during the game and he was getting open, Carson just was spreading the wealth. #85 will get his.

 

[eoMMan]

I'm trying to trade him straight up for Michael Vick because I need QB help.

He has been a disappointment in my eyes.

 

[Statorama]

12 catches for 137 yards and 1 TD. Not the kind of numbers his owners are looking for.

Those were the types of GAMES I was anticipating him having.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Simmer down....this is Chad Johnson we are talking about.

He will bounce back.

Cincy has shown that they have no problem going to other WRs if teams solely focus on CJ. Cincy is 3-0, so that defensive plan isn't working.

 

[Scorehoard]

I made it a point to draft CJ for one simple interview on a local channel here in Ohio. He stated his high interest in breaking Rice's single season touchdown. With a yapper like his, he is constantly in Palmer's ear!! Though I don't think that will be the case this season I strongly feel he'll produce double digit TD's. The defense has looked great this season which is giving Rudi numbers but #85 can't be held down for long. He's like trying to tame a fish out of water.... or something like that..haha