Chance ADP is benched if meaningless game? (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

Sunday night's Giants-Vikings game will have no direct playoff implications if the Packers lose to the Cardinals on Sunday afternoon.

The Vikings will clinch a playoff spot if the Seahawks beat the Rams OR the Falcons lose to the Panthers, both likely scenarios. If Green Bay then loses in Arizona -- another seemingly likely outcome -- Minnesota's Week 17 game against the Packers will become a win-or-go-home showdown for the NFC North crown, with the Week 16 Giants-Vikings game becoming meaningless. On Wednesday, coach Mike Zimmer left open the possibility of the Vikings resting players "that are hurt or something like that." Adrian Peterson, of course, is coming off a Week 15 ankle injury.



Better have a backup plan should there be a last minute scratch. What scares me more if he starts, plays one series, then is benched.

 

[GoBirds]

Sunday night game too, not many back up plans out there. Grab McKinnon I guess?

 

[JohnnyU]

Sunday night game too, not many back up plans out there. Grab McKinnon I guess?

Dynasty league owners wouldnt have that option because McKinnon is rostered in all of them with 20 players or more rosters and 12 teams or more.

 

[zftcg]

Wasn't there a similar situation a couple years ago with the Eagles-Bears playing on SNF Week 16? Results from earlier in the day meant that both teams would be playing elimination games in Week 17, but their game that night would be irrelevant. IIRC, both teams played their starters, but the Eagles blew the Bears out anyway.

 

[VaTerp]

Fudge....

 

[iamkoza]

Problem for adp folks is it's going to be a timeshare if he doesn't play

 

[packersfan]

Wasn't there a similar situation a couple years ago with the Eagles-Bears playing on SNF Week 16? Results from earlier in the day meant that both teams would be playing elimination games in Week 17, but their game that night would be irrelevant. IIRC, both teams played their starters, but the Eagles blew the Bears out anyway.

The Peterson injury is the variable here, though. I could see Bridgewater playing the whole game and the other starters. But your star RB isn't 100% so why risk him in a game like that? Give him the extra week to heal up so he's ready for the Packers. It really is the sensible move to make even if it absolutely sucks for fantasy.

 

[FUBAR]

Wasn't there a similar situation a couple years ago with the Eagles-Bears playing on SNF Week 16? Results from earlier in the day meant that both teams would be playing elimination games in Week 17, but their game that night would be irrelevant. IIRC, both teams played their starters, but the Eagles blew the Bears out anyway.

Sure, but when your star is coming off injury, is less than 100% and you can rest him without hurting your standing, you do it.

 

[GoBirds]

Problem for adp folks is it's going to be a timeshare if he doesn't play

Would you lean McKinnon or Asiata? Thinking you have to go McKinnon?

 

[jimmykick]

Gotta b kiddin me. First rawls then jstew. Now alshon amendola and maybe ap. My entire starting roster might b out for the final matchup.

 

[mr roboto]

Problem for adp folks is it's going to be a timeshare if he doesn't play

Would you lean McKinnon or Asiata? Thinking you have to go McKinnon?

Mckinnon for PPR. But Asiata had 10 TDs last year with AP out - McKinnon had 0.

 

[Ladsud]

So what if he doesnt practice Thur or Friday? Assume he is not playing and look elsewhere?

 

[Biabreakable]

Problem for adp folks is it's going to be a timeshare if he doesn't play

Would you lean McKinnon or Asiata? Thinking you have to go McKinnon?

Mckinnon for PPR. But Asiata had 10 TDs last year with AP out - McKinnon had 0.

I think it would be mostly McKinnon but Asiata would likely get goal line and short yardage looks along with some pass protection assignments that could lead to some receptions as well.

For standard McKinnon likely to get more attempts targets and yards.

Recently Peterson said some very good things about McKinnon. He has said good things about Asiata as well but he is not nearly as impressed with Asiata as he is with McKinnon.

 

[zftcg]

Wasn't there a similar situation a couple years ago with the Eagles-Bears playing on SNF Week 16? Results from earlier in the day meant that both teams would be playing elimination games in Week 17, but their game that night would be irrelevant. IIRC, both teams played their starters, but the Eagles blew the Bears out anyway.

The Peterson injury is the variable here, though. I could see Bridgewater playing the whole game and the other starters. But your star RB isn't 100% so why risk him in a game like that? Give him the extra week to heal up so he's ready for the Packers. It really is the sensible move to make even if it absolutely sucks for fantasy.

Yeah, you're right. Actually, I just remembered a better parallel. In 2011, Dallas faced a similar situation -- the Giants won at 1:00, ensuring that Dallas-NY would be an elimination game in Week 17 and that the Cowboys' Week 16 game (which kicked off at 4) was irrelevant. On the second play of the game, Romo banged his hand on a DL's helmet and bruised it. I'm not sure how bad it was, but he sat out the rest of the game but was then fine for the following week, suggesting it was more precautionary than anything.

That one stuck out in my mind a little more because I had Romo in my championship game, and it was a crappy feeling to realize by 4:30 that I had no chance.

 

[NoCheese]

Here's how I see it.....AP went back into the game last week suggesting it was a very mild sprain. The Vikings want to have momentum going into the end of the year, they are playing in a prime time game on Sunday night, and Zimmer has already said he's not resting his starters and that AP "should be good" for the game. There's still 4 days till the game and I don't believe it's Zimmer's or AP's style to rest for the next week when he could play. I fully expect him to play and picking up McKinnon and/or Asiata if available is a reasonable precaution. If AP doesn't play for some reason I'd expect the following stats for McKinnon and Asiata

McKinnon - 14 carries for 62 yards, 2 receptions for 18 yards

Asiata - 7 carries for 24 yards, 3 receptions for 22 yards, 1 rushing TD

 

[Ladsud]

Here's how I see it.....AP went back into the game last week suggesting it was a very mild sprain. The Vikings want to have momentum going into the end of the year, they are playing in a prime time game on Sunday night, and Zimmer has already said he's not resting his starters and that AP "should be good" for the game. There's still 4 days till the game and I don't believe it's Zimmer's or AP's style to rest for the next week when he could play. I fully expect him to play and picking up McKinnon and/or Asiata if available is a reasonable precaution. If AP doesn't play for some reason I'd expect the following stats for McKinnon and Asiata

McKinnon - 14 carries for 62 yards, 2 receptions for 18 yards

Asiata - 7 carries for 24 yards, 3 receptions for 22 yards, 1 rushing TD

But he did say he might rest players. Best case is Peterson practices the next two days, worse, hes declared out, total disaster is he plays a series then "rests"

 

[NoCheese]

Zimmer stated earlier today he won't rest his starters. That said, it'd be good for AP owners if the Packers won to remove the temptation for a lighter workload.

 

[beef]

can't vikings can still win the division and #3 seed if the packers lose out and the vikings win out?

 

[NoCheese]

can't vikings can still win the division and #3 seed if the packers lose out and the vikings win out?

If the Packers lose against AZ, the Vikings would still have to beat GB in Week 17 to win the division and it wouldn't matter if they beat NYG or not. If the Packers beat AZ, then the Vikings would have to beat both NYG and GB to win the division.

 

[NajehHejan]

Wasn't there a similar situation a couple years ago with the Eagles-Bears playing on SNF Week 16? Results from earlier in the day meant that both teams would be playing elimination games in Week 17, but their game that night would be irrelevant. IIRC, both teams played their starters, but the Eagles blew the Bears out anyway.

The Peterson injury is the variable here, though. I could see Bridgewater playing the whole game and the other starters. But your star RB isn't 100% so why risk him in a game like that? Give him the extra week to heal up so he's ready for the Packers. It really is the sensible move to make even if it absolutely sucks for fantasy.

Yeah, you're right. Actually, I just remembered a better parallel. In 2011, Dallas faced a similar situation -- the Giants won at 1:00, ensuring that Dallas-NY would be an elimination game in Week 17 and that the Cowboys' Week 16 game (which kicked off at 4) was irrelevant. On the second play of the game, Romo banged his hand on a DL's helmet and bruised it. I'm not sure how bad it was, but he sat out the rest of the game but was then fine for the following week, suggesting it was more precautionary than anything.

That one stuck out in my mind a little more because I had Romo in my championship game, and it was a crappy feeling to realize by 4:30 that I had no chance.

Ugh thanks for the reminder, I too got gut punched in that one.

 

[stbugs]

can't vikings can still win the division and #3 seed if the packers lose out and the vikings win out?

If the Packers lose against AZ, the Vikings would still have to beat GB in Week 17 to win the division and it wouldn't matter if they beat NYG or not. If the Packers beat AZ, then the Vikings would have to beat both NYG and GB to win the division.

You guys are still forgetting the fact that Seattle hasn't clinched the #5 seed. Pretty sure if Minny doesn't win the division, they'd rather play at the NFC East than at GB. If Seattle wins this week, then Minny could be the #5 seed if they win this week and lose next week. Seattle would have to lose to AZ, but that isn't far fetched. If Seattle wins against St. Louis, that would change things as Minny either wins the NFC North or is the #6 seed.

 

[Isotopes]

Zimmer stated earlier today he won't rest his starters. That said, it'd be good for AP owners if the Packers won to remove the temptation for a lighter workload.

Didn't he also say that he wants to be smart when asked about resting Peterson?

I think this is dictated by the extent of Peterson's injury. If he gets in a full practice today or tomorrow, I think he likely plays...but if he is limited or unable to practice, he may not risk it on SNF.

 

[JohnnyU]

Peterson has a chance to win the rushing title so that could play into this as well if he is mostly healthy.

 

[Skoo]

Peterson has a chance to win the rushing title so that could play into this as well if he is mostly healthy.

If they were out of the playoff picture, sure. But they've clinched a spot in the playoffs right?

Doubt Zimmerman cares more about the title than having his guy healthy for the postseason.

 

[Late225]

It's not meaningless.

Even if they don't beat out Green Bay, they're in a race with Seattle to see who plays the NFC East winner vs who plays the Packers.

 

[Ladsud]

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer said Adrian Peterson will practice Thursday.
He will likely be limited, but the practice puts him on track to play. Zimmer has left open the possibility of resting players who are less than 100 percent in what should be a meaningless game Sunday night against the Giants, but Peterson is also in a battle for the rushing crown. It is unlikely he completely sits out the game. Peterson will be worth the risk in a great matchup.

 

[JohnnyU]

ESPN's Ben Goessling reports Adrian Peterson (ankle) "didn't appear to be doing much" during Thursday's practice.
Coach Mike Zimmer said Peterson would practice Thursday, but that did not appear to be the case during the open portion. Peterson will likely still be listed as limited, but his status for what could be a meaningless game Sunday night is still up in the air. Peterson will be worth the risk in a great matchup if he is active.

 

[JohnnyU]

Adrian Peterson (ankle) was officially "DNP" in Thursday's practice.
Coach Mike Zimmer said his running back would practice, so it's a bit of an eye-brow archer. Most signs still suggest Peterson will suit up against the Giants, but his availability can't be taken for granted. His status will be updated on Friday.

 

[Ladsud]

No practice today, McKinnon was limited with a hamstring. Getting murky.

 

[Deamon]

Sunday night's Giants-Vikings game will have no direct playoff implications if the Packers lose to the Cardinals on Sunday afternoon.

The Vikings will clinch a playoff spot if the Seahawks beat the Rams OR the Falcons lose to the Panthers, both likely scenarios. If Green Bay then loses in Arizona -- another seemingly likely outcome -- Minnesota's Week 17 game against the Packers will become a win-or-go-home showdown for the NFC North crown, with the Week 16 Giants-Vikings game becoming meaningless. On Wednesday, coach Mike Zimmer left open the possibility of the Vikings resting players "that are hurt or something like that." Adrian Peterson, of course, is coming off a Week 15 ankle injury.



Better have a backup plan should there be a last minute scratch. What scares me more if he starts, plays one series, then is benched.

Wouldn't the 5 seed be up for grabs? I know a playoff spot is a playoff spot and not many teams care about seeding, but a trip to Philly/Wash/NYG is much more attractive then a potential trip to Green Bay.

 

[Biabreakable]

Honestly the Vikings have had a one game at a time mentality all season and I do not think that has changed now.

The Vikings are trying to win the division and if they drop this game and the Packers win they will not be able to do that. So this game against the Giants matters to them.

Peterson wants the ball. He almost started talking about that during recent interview before he checked himself saying he did not want to go there at this time.

I think the decision about playing Peterson and the other players who may be healthy enough to play will be based purely on the medical staffs recommendation for these players. If Peterson is healthy enough to play (he likely will be considering he came back in to the game after the injury last week) I think he is going to play and play at a high level. He has personal goals that he does not put above the team but those goals remain. He wants to be known as the best RB to play this game and if he is healthy enough to play I do not see the coaches sitting him anyways.

 

[Ladsud]

So Atlanta won, does this mean Peterson will be a full go? Ive had a few beers, my brain is not working well.

 

[shadyridr]

If Seattle wins this game is meaningless for minny

 

[Maelstrom]

So Atlanta won, does this mean Peterson will be a full go? Ive had a few beers, my brain is not working well.

Depends on the SEA game. If SEA loses, then the Vikings will not clinch this week unless they beat NYG.

 

[Ladsud]

So now what?

 

[JimmyJabroni]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

 

[JimmyJabroni]

Minnesota already beat the falcons so even if they lost these last two games they still get the wildcard right? So it's all about next week and either getting division or wildcard unless I'm missing something that would make this game meaningless?

 

[Maelstrom]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

Not quite, there is a scenario (Vikings lose twice, Seahawks lose, Falcons win + some other games fall correctly) where the Falcons get the 5th seed and the Vikings are out. 3-way tiebreakers (to strength of schedule) are a b#$%@ to figure out.

 

[shadyridr]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

they didnt clinch a playoff spot yet, atlanta is still alive thanks to the seattle loss.

 

[shadyridr]

Minnesota already beat the falcons so even if they lost these last two games they still get the wildcard right? So it's all about next week and either getting division or wildcard unless I'm missing something that would make this game meaningless?

nope three team tiebreaker first

 

[JimmyJabroni]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

Not quite, there is a scenario (Vikings lose twice, Seahawks lose, Falcons win + some other games fall correctly) where the Falcons get the 5th seed and the Vikings are out. 3-way tiebreakers (to strength of schedule) are a b#$%@ to figure out.

Oh okay, so it's the 3 way tiebreaker stuff...

Okay thanks...cause I really want AP in tonight in a daily matchup...gonna be cold and I think he's gonna punish the Gmen who now have nothing to play for.

 

[Alkahsu]

If he puts up 60 and a TD I'll be happy, will obviously take more though.

 

[FUBAR]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

they didnt clinch a playoff spot yet, atlanta is still alive thanks to the seattle loss.

It would be amazing if Seattle got left out and Atlanta got in. That's almost enough to make the loss worthwhile for the panthers.

Never mind. Just read that Seattle is in, but their loss means Minnesota might be left out. Weird wacky stuff.

 

[MaxThreshold]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

they didnt clinch a playoff spot yet, atlanta is still alive thanks to the seattle loss.

It would be amazing if Seattle got left out and Atlanta got in.

That's almost enough to make the loss worthwhile for the panthers.

that would be awesome - but I don't see it happening.

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah Seattle already clinched

 

[Deamon]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

Not quite, there is a scenario (Vikings lose twice, Seahawks lose, Falcons win + some other games fall correctly) where the Falcons get the 5th seed and the Vikings are out. 3-way tiebreakers (to strength of schedule) are a b#$%@ to figure out.

Oh okay, so it's the 3 way tiebreaker stuff...

Okay thanks...cause I really want AP in tonight in a daily matchup...gonna be cold and I think he's gonna punish the Gmen who now have nothing to play for.

If I'm Minny, I'd rather play round 1 in Green Bay then in Washington. So the WC seeding doesn't really matter. But they need to win to clinch a WC spot.

 

[Zow]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

Not quite, there is a scenario (Vikings lose twice, Seahawks lose, Falcons win + some other games fall correctly) where the Falcons get the 5th seed and the Vikings are out. 3-way tiebreakers (to strength of schedule) are a b#$%@ to figure out.

Oh okay, so it's the 3 way tiebreaker stuff...

Okay thanks...cause I really want AP in tonight in a daily matchup...gonna be cold and I think he's gonna punish the Gmen who now have nothing to play for.

If I'm Minny, I'd rather play round 1 in Green Bay then in Washington. So the WC seeding doesn't really matter. But they need to win to clinch a WC spot.

No way.

 

[Deamon]

So is this game meaningless or not? I'm looking at the standing and trying to figure it out and it seems like it is...like Minnesota has a playoff spot but it's just a matter of whether they win next week for the division or lose next week and get wildcard?

Not quite, there is a scenario (Vikings lose twice, Seahawks lose, Falcons win + some other games fall correctly) where the Falcons get the 5th seed and the Vikings are out. 3-way tiebreakers (to strength of schedule) are a b#$%@ to figure out.

Oh okay, so it's the 3 way tiebreaker stuff...

Okay thanks...cause I really want AP in tonight in a daily matchup...gonna be cold and I think he's gonna punish the Gmen who now have nothing to play for.

If I'm Minny, I'd rather play round 1 in Green Bay then in Washington. So the WC seeding doesn't really matter. But they need to win to clinch a WC spot.

No way.

A week ago I would have agreed. Wash is hot right now though. And even better at home.

GB doesn't look like it can score on anyone, or stop anyone. I get the intangibles of playoff experience and the extreme toughness of winning a playoff game at Lambeau, but I'm not so sure that a trip to Washington right now is any better then a trip to Green Bay.

 

[Ladsud]

He did ok.

 

[JohnnyU]

He did ok.

He did great and because of the Seattle / Rams game it turned out to not be a meaningless game.