**** Chargers 2024 Thread - Because No One Demanded It **** (1 Viewer)

[Tau837]

Right now it looks like Bosa's 2025 cap hit would be $36,471,667. Arg.

True. But if the Chargers trade or release Bosa, his cap hit would be ~$11.4M... less than the 2024 Chargers cap hits for JC Jackson, Keenan Allen, and Mike Williams. So not very significant, all things considered.

And they could potentially negotiate an extension, possibly even a "prove it" extension favorable to the team.

There are a lot of games to go this season, I'm still hopeful that Bosa will come back and be a really strong player.

 

[Gr00vus]

Right now it looks like Bosa's 2025 cap hit would be $36,471,667. Arg.

True. But if the Chargers trade or release Bosa, his cap hit would be ~$11.4M... less than the 2024 Chargers cap hits for JC Jackson, Keenan Allen, and Mike Williams. So not very significant, all things considered.

And they could potentially negotiate an extension, possibly even a "prove it" extension favorable to the team.

There are a lot of games to go this season, I'm still hopeful that Bosa will come back and be a really strong player.

I hope so too. But even if he does, you think they'll ride out the last year at $36M?

 

[Gr00vus]

Nice games for a bunch of the rookies yesterday. Hart and Still came up big with all the injuries. Derwin ended up having to play essentially CB for much of the game as well because of that. Nice performance by the secondary even though they gave up some yards and points in the 4th.

Dobbins with another good showing, and it was nice to see Vidal get some opportunities.

Kudos to Johnston and McConkey playing through some pain. Hope they don't have any lingering effects.

Only two things troubled me.

To a lesser extent I think Roman got too conservative with the play calls in the 2nd half. I get it, you're up 20, but still, you need to try be a little more aggressive, 3 points in a half isn't great.

The issues with the pass rush were more irksome. Tuli was invisible. James, and especially Dupree had some bad whiffs that resulted in big scramble yards for Nix. It was great that they got back there, but their angle of approach left him an entire half of the field to run through untouched. I'd have liked to see them force him back inside to where there was help. And the one missed sack Dupree had where he jumped, seemingly anticipating Nix bringing the ball up and trying for a strip sack instead of staying on the ground and wrapping him up to ensure the loss was aggravating.

Not big deals though, they did what they needed to do to get the W. Seems like they made it through without major injuries too, which would be great.

 

[Tau837]

Right now it looks like Bosa's 2025 cap hit would be $36,471,667. Arg.

True. But if the Chargers trade or release Bosa, his cap hit would be ~$11.4M... less than the 2024 Chargers cap hits for JC Jackson, Keenan Allen, and Mike Williams. So not very significant, all things considered.

And they could potentially negotiate an extension, possibly even a "prove it" extension favorable to the team.

There are a lot of games to go this season, I'm still hopeful that Bosa will come back and be a really strong player.

I hope so too. But even if he does, you think they'll ride out the last year at $36M?

As I said, they could renegotiate. But the most likely outcome is they release him. As I said, I'm still hopeful he will get healthy and make a positive impact this season.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Nice games for a bunch of the rookies yesterday. Hart and Still came up big with all the injuries. Derwin ended up having to play essentially CB for much of the game as well because of that. Nice performance by the secondary even though they gave up some yards and points in the 4th.

Dobbins with another good showing, and it was nice to see Vidal get some opportunities.

Kudos to Johnston and McConkey playing through some pain. Hope they don't have any lingering effects.

Only two things troubled me.

To a lesser extent I think Roman got too conservative with the play calls in the 2nd half. I get it, you're up 20, but still, you need to try be a little more aggressive, 3 points in a half isn't great.

The issues with the pass rush were more irksome. Tuli was invisible. James, and especially Dupree had some bad whiffs that resulted in big scramble yards for Nix. It was great that they got back there, but their angle of approach left him an entire half of the field to run through untouched. I'd have liked to see them force him back inside to where there was help. And the one missed sack Dupree had where he jumped, seemingly anticipating Nix bringing the ball up and trying for a strip sack instead of staying on the ground and wrapping him up to ensure the loss was aggravating.

Not big deals though, they did what they needed to do to get the W. Seems like they made it through without major injuries too, which would be great.

I agree about being conservative once up. This is a team (different regime however) that gave up a huge playoff lead to the Jaguars a few years back. I would like to see them have a more “step on the throat mentality.” You don’t want to be in a position to lose a game that should be won. Throttle down Greg!

 

[Gr00vus]

Chargers signed Eli Apple to the practice squad to backfill at CB with Samuel on IR.

 

[Gr00vus]

The defensive backfield is in rough shape. Bosa and QJ are both doubtful. Hopefully Chark is ready to go. I think they're going to need to have a relatively high score tomorrow to win.

 

[Tau837]

I will be surprised if the Chargers don't win this week by at least 2 scores.

 

[Gr00vus]

I will be surprised if the Chargers don't win this week by at least 2 scores.

Surprise!

 

[Gr00vus]

The Chargering continues. Pathetic.

Terrible play calling, zero playmakers, crummy offensive line, lack of discipline on defense.

New regime familiar results.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

Same bs. Defense plays pretty well, offense can’t close. Oh and a defensive personal foul to keep the dream alive for the opponent. Crap call or not, completely predictable.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

 

[Tau837]

I will be surprised if the Chargers don't win this week by at least 2 scores.

Surprise!

 

[B Maverick]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

This would be helpful. Herbert wasn't perfect but there were some great throws that a top wr catches easily but instead they went off their hands or were just dropped. And a top wr probably doesn't fumble at the 2....

Why not ask about Mike Williams? Or heck G Wilson after that ball bounced off his chest for an int (NYJ would be dumb to sell but they are the Jets)
Or Sutton? Denver probably doesn't sell esp in division but still.

 

[Gr00vus]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

This would be helpful. Herbert wasn't perfect but there were some great throws that a top wr catches easily but instead they went off their hands or were just dropped. And a top wr probably doesn't fumble at the 2....

Why not ask about Mike Williams? Or heck G Wilson after that ball bounced off his chest for an int (NYJ would be dumb to sell but they are the Jets)
Or Sutton? Denver probably doesn't sell esp in division but still.

Maybe kick the tires on Hunter Henry. It's not like the Patriots need him for anything.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

This would be helpful. Herbert wasn't perfect but there were some great throws that a top wr catches easily but instead they went off their hands or were just dropped. And a top wr probably doesn't fumble at the 2....

Why not ask about Mike Williams? Or heck G Wilson after that ball bounced off his chest for an int (NYJ would be dumb to sell but they are the Jets)
Or Sutton? Denver probably doesn't sell esp in division but still.

Considering who he was throwing to, I thought Herbert played about as good as he could have. Several of his incompletions were drops. Great that they added McConkey, but the guy has a history of not being on the field. They really need to look at adding to the room if they hope to see the postseason this year.

 

[B Maverick]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

This would be helpful. Herbert wasn't perfect but there were some great throws that a top wr catches easily but instead they went off their hands or were just dropped. And a top wr probably doesn't fumble at the 2....

Why not ask about Mike Williams? Or heck G Wilson after that ball bounced off his chest for an int (NYJ would be dumb to sell but they are the Jets)
Or Sutton? Denver probably doesn't sell esp in division but still.

Considering who he was throwing to, I thought Herbert played about as good as he could have. Several of his incompletions were drops. Great that they added McConkey, but the guy has a history of not being on the field. They really need to look at adding to the room if they hope to see the postseason this year.

Kept thinking most of the guys were TEs, saw later there were some other WRs out there besides Ladd and Palmer.

 

[Gr00vus]

Frustrating loss for the Chargers. Somebody please get Herbert some NFL receivers to throw to. If the run game is not rolling this team is going to struggle without more competent weapons.

This would be helpful. Herbert wasn't perfect but there were some great throws that a top wr catches easily but instead they went off their hands or were just dropped. And a top wr probably doesn't fumble at the 2....

Why not ask about Mike Williams? Or heck G Wilson after that ball bounced off his chest for an int (NYJ would be dumb to sell but they are the Jets)
Or Sutton? Denver probably doesn't sell esp in division but still.

Considering who he was throwing to, I thought Herbert played about as good as he could have. Several of his incompletions were drops. Great that they added McConkey, but the guy has a history of not being on the field. They really need to look at adding to the room if they hope to see the postseason this year.

McConkey dropped a couple himself.

 

[TheWinz]

People seem frustrated with their 3-3 record, but I think it's what's expected thus far. They've beaten 3 teams who've combined for 7-14 and lost to 3 teams who've combined for 14-6.
Their 4.0 YPC currently ranks 26th, and they've run 49.2% of the time (6 teams have run more often, all of which have higher YPC's).
Their defense has kept them in games, but their offense just isn't built to roll over anyone.

Sure, it would nice nice to be 4-2, but at least they're a .500 team, and that says alot with the state of their offense.

 

[Tau837]

Reasons to have patience and optimism for the future:

• First year front office, which inherited a salary cap mess and a roster lacking depth... full rebuild will require 2-3 years
  • First draft class under Hortiz looks really good so far
  • Bargain free agent signings by Hortiz look really good so far... imagine what he might do with an actual budget
• First year coaching staff just 6 games in; expect improvement over time
• 3-3 despite significant injuries:
  • QB Herbert missed significant time in preseason, which hindered chemistry
  • QB Herbert missed part of one game and has played at less than 100% in others
  • Multiple OL have missed full and/or partial games
  • Multiple WRs have missed full and/or partial games
  • Bosa has missed most of the season so far
  • Multiple DBs have missed full and/or partial games (including one game lost to suspension)
• Especially considering the injuries, Minter looks like one of the top DCs in the league, with the Chargers currently ranking #1 in points allowed and #7 in yards allowed
• Chargers are currently projected to have 6th most cap space for 2025... without making any moves, which they will surely make to add to that cap space
  • If they trade or release Bosa, they will have more than $100M in available cap space, independent of any other moves

It feels like they should be 4-2 and coming off a win last week, but 3-3 and 2-1 in division is not a bad start for Hortiz and Harbaugh after taking over a 5-12 team with major roster and cap challenges.

 

[King of the Jungle]

It will be nice when they can get Bosa off the books, eating large amounts of cap and not playing is a bad combo.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

It will be nice when they can get Bosa off the books, eating large amounts of cap and not playing is a bad combo.

Just imagine if they had kept Allen and dumped Bosa. Might have 2 more wins.

 

[Tau837]

It will be nice when they can get Bosa off the books, eating large amounts of cap and not playing is a bad combo.

Just imagine if they had kept Allen and dumped Bosa. Might have 2 more wins.

I understand the thought, and, given Bosa has barely played, clearly it would have been better to date to have Allen. But Allen's presence would probably diminish McConkey's impact some. And they desperately need Bosa to come back, because the pass rush is non-existent right now. There is still a good chance he will come back and make a strong positive impact, in which case the choices they made were the right ones. Big if, I know.

 

[Todem]

Future is bright for the Chargers…..

 

[Despyzer]

Currently back in the playoff picture in the #7 spot. Of course there are only seven AFC teams with winning records right now, so... gotta hold off the Bengals and the Colts.

 

[Gr00vus]

Looks like Herbert will have Chark and Johnston this week. Will be interesting to see how Roman uses the wrs with his full compliment of receivers available.

 

[Tau837]

5-12 last season. 5-3 this season despite significant injuries. I am very happy to say that this coaching staff and GM are who we thought they were.

 

[Gr00vus]

No trades prior to the deadline. With visibility only into who got moved, I'm good with that, not worth spending the draft capital. Maybe there were other deals to be had, but Hortiz doesn't seem to be missing many tricks (except for Dupree, but you can't win them all).

Fehoko goes to IR, I'm hoping Chark can get out there this week, though they shouldn't need him to win this one.

I'm really hoping they can stabilize the blocking this week. Things get tough after this, they really need to keep Herbert clean. Get it started this week. Also, they need to find a way to have more productive 2nd half drives. The defense is going to face stiffer opposition after the Titans, they can't be getting left on the field for a majority of the 2nd half because the offense can't sustain drives.

I'll do @Tau837 a glass half full thing, since I spend too much time being pessimistic. The defense has been fantastic. Granted, they've played some pretty flawed offenses along the way so far, but they did hold the Chiefs to 17. I don't expect them to keep holding everyone to under 20 a game given the upcoming schedule, but they're playing really good football, even while missing some starters. The difference between Minter and Staley is pretty incredible. Hope they can continue that.

 

[Tau837]

I'll do @Tau837 a glass half full thing, since I spend too much time being pessimistic. The defense has been fantastic. Granted, they've played some pretty flawed offenses along the way so far, but they did hold the Chiefs to 17. I don't expect them to keep holding everyone to under 20 a game given the upcoming schedule, but they're playing really good football, even while missing some starters. The difference between Minter and Staley is pretty incredible. Hope they can continue that.

Very nice.

The defense this season has been nothing short of stunning. The contrast between Telesco/Staley and Hortiz/Harbaugh/Minter is so great it is almost hard to believe. I realize the Chargers have had an easy schedule, but even with regression they are going to end up as a top 10 defense. What a turnaround.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Njoku would have been a great addition if the rumors that he was available were true. If they nail next offseason this squad could be a top contender.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

I'll do @Tau837 a glass half full thing, since I spend too much time being pessimistic. The defense has been fantastic. Granted, they've played some pretty flawed offenses along the way so far, but they did hold the Chiefs to 17. I don't expect them to keep holding everyone to under 20 a game given the upcoming schedule, but they're playing really good football, even while missing some starters. The difference between Minter and Staley is pretty incredible. Hope they can continue that.

Very nice.

The defense this season has been nothing short of stunning. The contrast between Telesco/Staley and Hortiz/Harbaugh/Minter is so great it is almost hard to believe. I realize the Chargers have had an easy schedule, but even with regression they are going to end up as a top 10 defense. What a turnaround.

Mack is playing elite ball right now. And Derwin has avoided his usual idiot plays. If they could move the ball at all in the second half they would look like a playoff team. They MUST win this weekend and hopefully come out healthy headed down the stretch. I'm watching!

 

[Jail]

5-12 last season. 5-3 this season despite significant injuries. I am very happy to say that this coaching staff and GM are who we thought they were.

It's kinda sad that we're all so happy to see our team be above average, but after what we've seen the last couple years this has been a good start for sure. They actually win the games they are supposed to win.

The schedule is about to get much tougher, so I think we'll know more pretty soon.

 

[ChiefD]

The defense this season has been nothing short of stunning. The contrast between Telesco/Staley and Hortiz/Harbaugh/Minter is so great it is almost hard to believe. I realize the Chargers have had an easy schedule, but even with regression they are going to end up as a top 10 defense. What a turnaround.

To me this doesn't matter. That culture and feel has changed completely since.....well....forever. Like, you just know with Harbaugh in there it's going to be done right. The guys knows how to coach, plain and simple. He knows how to build an organization.

He's a nutball but he knows what he's doing. And they already have the QB in place? The next 7-8 years will be a cage match between the Chiefs and Chargers.

 

[Gr00vus]

5-12 last season. 5-3 this season despite significant injuries. I am very happy to say that this coaching staff and GM are who we thought they were.

It's kinda sad that we're all so happy to see our team be above average, but after what we've seen the last couple years this has been a good start for sure. They actually win the games they are supposed to win.

The schedule is about to get much tougher, so I think we'll know more pretty soon.

I need to keep reminding myself that I had rebuilding year expectations going in, with a winning record being a stretch goal. Playoffs would be well exceeding my initial outlook.

 

[tommyGunZ]

It's unreal how well the secondary has played considering the injuries. The two 5th round corners have been godsends.

Draft was crushed considering the rookie corners, Alt playing at a Pro Bowl level, and McConkey looking like a long term starter. Lookign forward to Colson getting healthy. But even his injuries have led to Henley's emergence, which is huge for the future.

 

[Tau837]

It's unreal how well the secondary has played considering the injuries. The two 5th round corners have been godsends.

Draft was crushed considering the rookie corners, Alt playing at a Pro Bowl level, and McConkey looking like a long term starter. Lookign forward to Colson getting healthy. But even his injuries have led to Henley's emergence, which is huge for the future.

Agree with all of this. It is early to judge rookies, whether they are playing well to date or playing poorly to date. That said, it seems at this point that they hit on Alt, McConkey, Hart, and Still for sure. All 4 of them could be full-time starters in 2025.

I am very optimistic Colson will turn out to be a hit. I think it is possible Eboigbe will eventually be a solid rotation player, though perhaps not until 2025 or 2026. Vidal looks like a solid 6th round pick.

Johnson is gone, so one didn't pan out for sure, but... 7th rounder. Hard to say about Rice. I'm not sure they will be able to keep him on the active roster all season with QJ, Palmer, and Chark healthy plus Reagor in the mix. So he could be a practice squad player or could get poached. Still, again... 7th rounder.

 

[Gr00vus]

Business taken care of. Now the challenges get tougher.

I'm hoping Mack didn't reaggravate the groin pull too much yesterday. Other than that it seemed like a good day health wise in terms of finishing the contest without more people getting notably banged up.

Chark wasn't inactive, but I honestly can't remember seeing him in on any plays. Did anyone else notice him getting in to the game?

Edwards did some good stuff in his return.

Saw some interesting jumbo packages with Fisk (who the hell is he?), Matlock and Mustifpher.

Herbert looks like himself again, maybe even better as he seems a bit more animated out there, got some fire in his belly. Him being mobile makes a big difference.

I didn't realize the Titans were number 1 in several defensive categories going in, yesterday wasn't a cake walk for the offense. Good to see them putting good drives together throughout the entire game.

One interesting thing I noticed, it seemed like the Titans had a good deal of success running plays (both running and passing) to the their left when either Bosa or Dupree was on that side. Both of them tended to collapse toward the middle, leaving lots of room toward the sideline to operate. That'll show up on film for others to exploit, I hope the Chargers address it. Normaly Bosa's on the other side, so maybe it'll get worked out when Mack is more available.

 

[Jail]

Business taken care of. Now the challenges get tougher.

I'm hoping Mack didn't reaggravate the groin pull too much yesterday. Other than that it seemed like a good day health wise in terms of finishing the contest without more people getting notably banged up.

Chark wasn't inactive, but I honestly can't remember seeing him in on any plays. Did anyone else notice him getting in to the game?

Edwards did some good stuff in his return.

Saw some interesting jumbo packages with Fisk (who the hell is he?), Matlock and Mustifpher.

Herbert looks like himself again, maybe even better as he seems a bit more animated out there, got some fire in his belly. Him being mobile makes a big difference.

I didn't realize the Titans were number 1 in several defensive categories going in, yesterday wasn't a cake walk for the offense. Good to see them putting good drives together throughout the entire game.

One interesting thing I noticed, it seemed like the Titans had a good deal of success running plays (both running and passing) to the their left when either Bosa or Dupree was on that side. Both of them tended to collapse toward the middle, leaving lots of room toward the sideline to operate. That'll show up on film for others to exploit, I hope the Chargers address it. Normaly Bosa's on the other side, so maybe it'll get worked out when Mack is more available.

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

I'm very worried about Mack. Groin injuries tend to linger, and the defense is definitely different without him in there. The run defense is going to suffer without him. They can generate pressure without him, but Mack can pass rush and still defend the run.

I didn't notice Chark either. But at this point I think he'll be at most a role player. Not sure who you take away snaps from to get him in. But with Palmer and McConkey injury history he'll probably have more opportunities before the year is over.

 

[Gr00vus]

Business taken care of. Now the challenges get tougher.

I'm hoping Mack didn't reaggravate the groin pull too much yesterday. Other than that it seemed like a good day health wise in terms of finishing the contest without more people getting notably banged up.

Chark wasn't inactive, but I honestly can't remember seeing him in on any plays. Did anyone else notice him getting in to the game?

Edwards did some good stuff in his return.

Saw some interesting jumbo packages with Fisk (who the hell is he?), Matlock and Mustifpher.

Herbert looks like himself again, maybe even better as he seems a bit more animated out there, got some fire in his belly. Him being mobile makes a big difference.

I didn't realize the Titans were number 1 in several defensive categories going in, yesterday wasn't a cake walk for the offense. Good to see them putting good drives together throughout the entire game.

One interesting thing I noticed, it seemed like the Titans had a good deal of success running plays (both running and passing) to the their left when either Bosa or Dupree was on that side. Both of them tended to collapse toward the middle, leaving lots of room toward the sideline to operate. That'll show up on film for others to exploit, I hope the Chargers address it. Normaly Bosa's on the other side, so maybe it'll get worked out when Mack is more available.

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

I'm very worried about Mack. Groin injuries tend to linger, and the defense is definitely different without him in there. The run defense is going to suffer without him. They can generate pressure without him, but Mack can pass rush and still defend the run.

Yeah, I worry about Herbert when he runs, but, it's probably better than him hanging in the pocket and getting sacked.

As for Mack, he should sit out until the groin is close to 100% however long that is. Groins pulls are easy to re-aggravate. You don't want this to become a rest of the season kind of thing if sitting out a week or two will get him right for the remainder of the season. That said, I'd bet he tries to go Sunday night.

 

[Gr00vus]

The good news is my heart seems to be working fine, and the Chargers hung on to win a big game. Overall, pretty happy about the outcome, even if I didn't love the whole journey to get there.

Some observations.

It would be nice if they could develop some go to plays to get 5 yards or so on 1st and 2nd down. They need something to re-establish momentum when it looks like it's swinging the wrong way. The offense going almost completely dormant for 25 minutes isn't going to work against more complete teams. They need to find a way to engineer 20 and 30 yard drives to flip the field when things are getting tough. Going 3 and out multiple times in a row is a killer for the defense. You can't get complete victory on every possession, but you need to the ability to get some small wins more regularly.

They should set a goal to score at least 14 points in the second half of every game, regardless of how much they're up at half time. I don't know what goes on at half time, but too often they're coming out flat, and sometimes it looks like they're just trying to play out the string. It almost got them last night.

Quentin has taken a good step up this season. Now he needs to improve his ability to contest. Granted the Bengals CB made several fantastic plays, but Johnston needs to learn how to lean back into the defender on contested balls to either catch them or force PI.

The DBs were a very mixed bag last night, James, Still, and Hart seemed to do pretty well. Molden, Taylor, and Fulton had issues. It'll be interesting to see how the grades come out for this game. Hopefully an extra day allows the concussion to not be a factor for the Ravens game.

Checking the stats, Chark was on the field for....1 play. What's the deal with that guy? Just lost out to McConkey, Johnston, Palmer?

 

[ChiefD]

The AFC West is gonna be a dogfight for the next 5-7 years. Chargers looking good.

 

[Gr00vus]

The AFC West is gonna be a dogfight for the next 5-7 years. Chargers looking good.

They're ahead of schedule so far, that's for sure. But the Chiefs are still the class of the division.

 

[Gr00vus]

Sure enough, Taylor and Molden came out towards the bottom of the PFF grades for yesterday's game. Taylor in particular got a really bad grade. Hope we get the injured CBs back soon.

 

[Tau837]

I posted this on another site last night after the game:

Random thoughts on the game:

Not having Mack was big. If he was healthy, more of the pressure gets home for sacks or forcing incompletions... especially since the rotation would hvae been fresher. I feel like him healthy takes a TD off the board for the Bengals, and this game would never have been in doubt.

That said, for all the bashing Bosa gets from Chargers fans, they really needed him in this game, and he played well.

Losing Hart mattered a lot. It goes to show that he is probably a starting outside corner going forward (when healthy). If the Chargers re-sign Fulton in the offseason, and with Leonard, Still, Taylor all still under contract, I think CB is an overrated need for the Chargers entering the draft. Too many other position groups are more important, most notably Edge, C, TE.

Minter has been really great this season. But the defensive call on that first Chase TD was awful. Collinsworth made it a point earlier in the broadcast to show that the Chargers had two defenders covering Chase constantly, which was why he wasn't making a big impact early. Then they left him in single coverage on the goal line... TD. That sparked the entire comeback for the Bengals... hold them to another FG there and this game likely never would have been particularly close.

Derwin is playing himself off the roster at the first reasonable opportunity cap-wise. He makes too many stupid plays, and, even when he doesn't do that, he isn't delivering All Pro caliber play, which is what his contract is paying him for. I was not in favor of his extension at the time, and it has turned out even worse than I thought it would.

I thought the first half challenge by Harbaugh was dumb. If it was successful, the Bengals would have been 3rd and 5 at the Bengals 40 vs. the outcome of the play being 1st and 10 at the Bengals 48. IMO that isn't enough of a difference in game situation / win probability to risk wasting a timeout. I am disappointed that he is seemingly not improving at game management... his staff seems great at most everything else.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

It’s one of the reasons I was so high on him - he & Josh Allen aren’t that different physically. I’m not as concerned as you - the plantar fasciitis issue was kind of flukey. People were sleeping on his rushing ability. He’s more than capable of adding 6-8 points a week (or more) with his legs. He’s not as much of a vulture as Allen or LJax, but he’s up there for sure with his ability.

He makes quick decisions & seems able to avoid big hits by running OOB or sliding. He doesn’t lower his shoulder like Allen does, nor does he do stupid **** like trying to hurdle guys.

His rushing ability is underrated. Herbert is arguably a top 5 SF dynasty asset. Maybe higher.

 

[Tau837]

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

It’s one of the reasons I was so high on him - he & Josh Allen aren’t that different physically. I’m not as concerned as you - the plantar fasciitis issue was kind of flukey. People were sleeping on his rushing ability. He’s more than capable of adding 6-8 points a week (or more) with his legs. He’s not as much of a vulture as Allen or LJax, but he’s up there for sure with his ability.

He makes quick decisions & seems able to avoid big hits by running OOB or sliding. He doesn’t lower his shoulder like Allen does, nor does he do stupid **** like trying to hurdle guys.

His rushing ability is underrated. Herbert is arguably a top 5 SF dynasty asset. Maybe higher.

Capable of adding 6-8 points per week, yes. But in his career, he has added an average of 2.5 points rushing. So I don't think 6-8 points would be a reasonable expectation to occur on average. Maybe 3-4 points per game in Roman's offense when fully healthy, sure.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Capable of adding 6-8 points per week, yes. But in his career, he has added an average of 2.5 points rushing. So I don't think 6-8 points would be a reasonable expectation to occur on average. Maybe 3-4 points per game in Roman's offense when fully healthy, sure.

He’s been doing it so far since he’s been healthy.

With their lack of alpha receivers Herbert seems to be running more. Couple short yardage TD lately, too.

 

[tommyGunZ]

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

It’s one of the reasons I was so high on him - he & Josh Allen aren’t that different physically. I’m not as concerned as you - the plantar fasciitis issue was kind of flukey. People were sleeping on his rushing ability. He’s more than capable of adding 6-8 points a week (or more) with his legs. He’s not as much of a vulture as Allen or LJax, but he’s up there for sure with his ability.

He makes quick decisions & seems able to avoid big hits by running OOB or sliding. He doesn’t lower his shoulder like Allen does, nor does he do stupid **** like trying to hurdle guys.

His rushing ability is underrated. Herbert is arguably a top 5 SF dynasty asset. Maybe higher.

There is a lot of upside in Herbert's legs. I feel like a bunch of us Charger fans have wanted the coaches and FO to let Herbert cook for a few years now. He shows glimpses occasionally like last night, and the metrics suggest he can be far more dangerous from a mobility standpoint.

 

[Nick Vermeil]

It's great to see Herbert healthy again. He was almost perfect on Sunday. His mobility is a huge asset that isn't really talked about, but it definitely extends drives. That said...I still hold my breath every time he takes off. I can't shake the feeling that his 6'6" 240 lb body is what contributes to his high number of injuries.

It’s one of the reasons I was so high on him - he & Josh Allen aren’t that different physically. I’m not as concerned as you - the plantar fasciitis issue was kind of flukey. People were sleeping on his rushing ability. He’s more than capable of adding 6-8 points a week (or more) with his legs. He’s not as much of a vulture as Allen or LJax, but he’s up there for sure with his ability.

He makes quick decisions & seems able to avoid big hits by running OOB or sliding. He doesn’t lower his shoulder like Allen does, nor does he do stupid **** like trying to hurdle guys.

His rushing ability is underrated. Herbert is arguably a top 5 SF dynasty asset. Maybe higher.

There is a lot of upside in Herbert's legs. I feel like a bunch of us Charger fans have wanted the coaches and FO to let Herbert cook for a few years now. He shows glimpses occasionally like last night, and the metrics suggest he can be far more dangerous from a mobility standpoint.

I’m not in favor of designed runs for him. But I love that he’s able to run and take what the defense gives him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m not in favor of designed runs for him. But I love that he’s able to run and take what the defense gives him.

I wouldn’t mind seeing a designed run or 3 a game.

If the defense is off-balance, it’s another weapon in his arsenal. I get the injury concerns, but he’s a smart player. I don’t see him playing recklessly.

Don’t get me wrong - I don’t want them running him up the gut between the tackles like Shanny tried to do with Lance. lol