Chargers Clear Winners in Manning Fiasco (1 Viewer)

[DanFouts]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

 

[H.K.]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What happens if San Diego is exited in the playoffs quickly, LT never gets a ring and then sometime down the line Eli and the Giants do win a SB...my point is these things are always subjective but it seems like the Chargers have done very well in trades, drafts, and FA sigings the past 2-3 years. It's a welcome change out here in SoCal and good for the fans of San Diego.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I still think it's far too early to be determining a "winner." However, at this point, the players that were able to be acquired by the Chargers are certainly performing very well and appear to have improved the Chargers more then Manning has improved the Giants.

 

[lostby1]

I think the Saints benefited the most from this deal. BREES!!!

It looks like SD brass is not as smart as you guys are making them.

 

[pinda]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

give credit to the source when quoting them this is from Pro Football Talk

 

[PatsWillWin]

I think the Saints benefited the most from this deal. BREES!!!It looks like SD brass is not as smart as you guys are making them.

reality check: the chargers let brees walk and are the #1 seed in the AFC.

 

[Big Score]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

 

[DanFouts]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

give credit to the source when quoting them this is from Pro Football Talk

Good thing I don't read them. Any Charger fan knows the deal dude and has been watching all the players involved...

 

[H.K.]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

 

[Big Score]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

Point

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

The biggest fault with AJ I have so far is that they are only going to get a 3rd rounder for Brees, but considering his injury at the time, they migth not of even gotten that.

 

[Big Score]

The biggest fault with AJ I have so far is that they are only going to get a 3rd rounder for Brees, but considering his injury at the time, they migth not of even gotten that.

I didn't think they were going to get anything for him, as they didn't Tender him, did they?

 

[Colin Dowling]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

Point

[counterpoint]But if they'd taken Vick and used the 2nd rounder on a RB, they would have ended up with Anthony Thomas, who won the rookie of the year that season. Or, they could have selected Chad Johnson...

[/counterpoint]

I realize Brees should be factored in, but I'm not a big fan of doing the speculation dance with regard to later picks that might have been affected by trades.

 

[Gold Plated Nails]

The biggest fault with AJ I have so far is that they are only going to get a 3rd rounder for Brees, but considering his injury at the time, they migth not of even gotten that.

I didn't think they were going to get anything for him, as they didn't Tender him, did they?

The Chargers will recieve a 3rd Round Compensatory pick in the 2007 Draft for Brees. If say, they had traded him last offseason for 2nd rd pick, they would not recieve a compensatory pick. So yes, they got a first day pick for Brees, about all you could expect given the injury and him wantin a longterm deal.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

Point

[counterpoint]But if they'd taken Vick and used the 2nd rounder on a RB, they would have ended up with Anthony Thomas, who won the rookie of the year that season. Or, they could have selected Chad Johnson...

[/counterpoint]

I realize Brees should be factored in, but I'm not a big fan of doing the speculation dance with regard to later picks that might have been affected by trades.

I would much rather have LT than Vick. Even though Vick given the time could be a HOF running back, HOF QB not so much.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

Point

[counterpoint]But if they'd taken Vick and used the 2nd rounder on a RB, they would have ended up with Anthony Thomas, who won the rookie of the year that season. Or, they could have selected Chad Johnson...

[/counterpoint]

I realize Brees should be factored in, but I'm not a big fan of doing the speculation dance with regard to later picks that might have been affected by trades.

Your larger point may have some merit about speculating about draft picks, but I think we can agree that it's hardly a reach to say that the Chargers would not have drafted a QB with the 2.01 pick if they had taken Vick at 1.01.

 

[Slum Lord]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

I think the trade that really made the difference was the LT/Vick trade. We wouldnt be talking about Rivers going to the pro bowl if they didnt have LT.

I would much rather have LT than Vick. Even though Vick given the time could be a HOF running back, HOF QB not so much.

Vick could never take the pounding.

 

[H.K.]

Your larger point may have some merit about speculating about draft picks, but I think we can agree that it's hardly a reach to say that the Chargers would not have drafted a QB with the 2.01 pick if they had taken Vick at 1.01.

Exactly. SD had a plan to trade down and get LT & Brees with its first two picks. At the time it was widely debated if this was a good strategy when they could have had Vick. The debate centered around Vick's elusiveness versus a rookie RB and QB who likely could have gotten used up quickly behind a bad o-line before the team had a chance to fix it. No speculation is necessary on who else could have been chosen by either side, this was how it shook out, and this is how the trade was largely evaluated by the media after the draft.Also, if we took this straw poll in 2002 when Vick was breaking out and Brees was struggling, I'll bet people would have had different opinions at that time regarding Vick for LT, too.

 

[wertwert]

The biggest fault with AJ I have so far is that they are only going to get a 3rd rounder for Brees, but considering his injury at the time, they migth not of even gotten that.

I didn't think they were going to get anything for him, as they didn't Tender him, did they?

The Chargers will recieve a 3rd Round Compensatory pick in the 2007 Draft for Brees. If say, they had traded him last offseason for 2nd rd pick, they would not recieve a compensatory pick. So yes, they got a first day pick for Brees, about all you could expect given the injury and him wantin a longterm deal.

Can someone explain to me why the Chargers would receive a pick when Brees was a free agent. I tried looking on the web and nfl.com for the answer. Thanks

 

[mad sweeney]

The biggest fault with AJ I have so far is that they are only going to get a 3rd rounder for Brees, but considering his injury at the time, they migth not of even gotten that.

I didn't think they were going to get anything for him, as they didn't Tender him, did they?

The Chargers will recieve a 3rd Round Compensatory pick in the 2007 Draft for Brees. If say, they had traded him last offseason for 2nd rd pick, they would not recieve a compensatory pick. So yes, they got a first day pick for Brees, about all you could expect given the injury and him wantin a longterm deal.

Can someone explain to me why the Chargers would receive a pick when Brees was a free agent. I tried looking on the web and nfl.com for the answer. Thanks

Teams get compensation picks from the NFL based on FA migrations and other personnel losses. They are extra, they come at the expense of no other teams.

 

[cobalt_27]

you guys do understand that the Giants wouldnt have picked Merriman right?

I don't think that tidbit helps much it's intended to minimize what a disaster this trade was for the Giants.

 

[tsarc888]

you guys do understand that the Giants wouldnt have picked Merriman right?

I don't think that tidbit helps much it's intended to minimize what a disaster this trade was for the Giants.

still early and I wouldn't be surprised to see Eli have a successful career. However at this point in time, only the biggest of Giants homers can state this isn't looking like a disaster. Rivers looks to be just as good, if not better than Eli, and then throw in one of the top defensive players in the league and a solid kicker. This is an EXTREMELY lopsided trade thus far.

 

[Hands_on_the_Heisman]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

Point

[counterpoint]But if they'd taken Vick and used the 2nd rounder on a RB, they would have ended up with Anthony Thomas, who won the rookie of the year that season. Or, they could have selected Chad Johnson...

[/counterpoint]

I realize Brees should be factored in, but I'm not a big fan of doing the speculation dance with regard to later picks that might have been affected by trades.

I recall this point/counterpoint argument in the past -- and I believe the pros/cons were LT & Brees or Vick & Travis Henry. All things considered -- it worked out really well for San Diego -- and now also for New Orleans. I think even Drew Brees is overjoyed at his situation. Now, he doesn't have a high-paid young gun hanging over his shoulder -- and he's considered one of the best QBs in the game. Both Him & LT -- Class Acts, 100%, they deserve all the accolades they can get.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I dont hate this trade at all to be honest. Eli Manning gives the Giants a talented young quarterback. He has been pretty average this season, but he shows flashes of brilliance and a lot of potential. We just need to get a new coaching staff and Eli will be fine. I dont think that Rivers would succeed in NY due to his demeanor. After he threw his second pick the other night I saw him crying (and they were winning by 8 points). He might be fine in relaxed San Diego, but not in Jersey. He also has the best running back of this generation on his team, and the best offensive line in the league. I think Eli is a better QB then rivers, and although a first and 3rd draft pick might have been to much, Its not enough for me to care that much anymore. Just let it be is what I say on the situation, because I am happy with Eli

SD, best oline in the league? That's to be debated for sure.

 

[Banger]

I dont hate this trade at all to be honest. Eli Manning gives the Giants a talented young quarterback. He has been pretty average this season, but he shows flashes of brilliance and a lot of potential. We just need to get a new coaching staff and Eli will be fine. I dont think that Rivers would succeed in NY due to his demeanor. After he threw his second pick the other night I saw him crying (and they were winning by 8 points). He might be fine in relaxed San Diego, but not in Jersey. He also has the best running back of this generation on his team, and the best offensive line in the league. I think Eli is a better QB then rivers, and although a first and 3rd draft pick might have been to much, Its not enough for me to care that much anymore. Just let it be is what I say on the situation, because I am happy with Eli

Rivers is fiery and ultra competitive and that is one of the main criticism's I've read in the NY papers about Eli is his lack of fire/enthusiasm.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I dont hate this trade at all to be honest. Eli Manning gives the Giants a talented young quarterback. He has been pretty average this season, but he shows flashes of brilliance and a lot of potential. We just need to get a new coaching staff and Eli will be fine. I dont think that Rivers would succeed in NY due to his demeanor. After he threw his second pick the other night I saw him crying (and they were winning by 8 points). He might be fine in relaxed San Diego, but not in Jersey. He also has the best running back of this generation on his team, and the best offensive line in the league. I think Eli is a better QB then rivers, and although a first and 3rd draft pick might have been to much, Its not enough for me to care that much anymore. Just let it be is what I say on the situation, because I am happy with Eli

Rivers is fiery and ultra competitive and that is one of the main criticism's I've read in the NY papers about Eli is his lack of fire/enthusiasm.

Yep, and thats one that I dont get... I was a great player (Center and DE). I never really showed much emotion other then high fives after a tackle. Its just not my personality. I still made 1st team all league at DE my senior year. And on offense, nothing pissed me off more then a QB yelling at people. Sophmore year I was on Varsity and one of the youngest guys on Varsity. I remember one game I snuffed a snap and the jackass senior QB got all up in my face and it doesn't help anything. A quarterback is supposed to be calm and supportive. Thinking positively. Which is something that I like in a qb. Junior year, my buddy that I played with since 2nd grade became the varsity QB. And that was much better because he was goal orieinted, and didnt get in your face and had a common goal. ripping people apart doesnt help anything. I know, I was a captain of my team.

I bet you couldn't throw a football over dem mountains.

 

[Banger]

I dont hate this trade at all to be honest. Eli Manning gives the Giants a talented young quarterback. He has been pretty average this season, but he shows flashes of brilliance and a lot of potential. We just need to get a new coaching staff and Eli will be fine. I dont think that Rivers would succeed in NY due to his demeanor. After he threw his second pick the other night I saw him crying (and they were winning by 8 points). He might be fine in relaxed San Diego, but not in Jersey. He also has the best running back of this generation on his team, and the best offensive line in the league. I think Eli is a better QB then rivers, and although a first and 3rd draft pick might have been to much, Its not enough for me to care that much anymore. Just let it be is what I say on the situation, because I am happy with Eli

Rivers is fiery and ultra competitive and that is one of the main criticism's I've read in the NY papers about Eli is his lack of fire/enthusiasm.

Yep, and thats one that I dont get... I was a great player (Center and DE). I never really showed much emotion other then high fives after a tackle. Its just not my personality. I still made 1st team all league at DE my senior year. And on offense, nothing pissed me off more then a QB yelling at people. Sophmore year I was on Varsity and one of the youngest guys on Varsity. I remember one game I snuffed a snap and the jackass senior QB got all up in my face and it doesn't help anything. A quarterback is supposed to be calm and supportive. Thinking positively. Which is something that I like in a qb. Junior year, my buddy that I played with since 2nd grade became the varsity QB. And that was much better because he was goal orieinted, and didnt get in your face and had a common goal. ripping people apart doesnt help anything. I know, I was a captain of my team.

Agree that ripping people isn't constructive but that's the opposite of Rivers. River's was upset at himself during the KC game. He's as rah-rah as they come, all about the team, team goals and winning. He's been the definition of a leader at every level he's played.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Agree that ripping people isn't constructive but that's the opposite of Rivers. River's was upset at himself during the KC game. He's as rah-rah as they come, all about the team, team goals and winning. He's been the definition of a leader at every level he's played.

Yes, and if you watch his comments to the press afterwards, he never once says anything about having defensive pressure in his face all day. He just says that he played a terrible game and will learn and get better from it.I've never heard him say anything critical about any other player (or make any other excuses) ever.

 

[H.K.]

Agree that ripping people isn't constructive but that's the opposite of Rivers. River's was upset at himself during the KC game. He's as rah-rah as they come, all about the team, team goals and winning. He's been the definition of a leader at every level he's played.

Didn't the announcers this week say that the Chargers needed to assign people to be ready on the bench to calm Rivers down during games? I thought I heard that....could be wrong....but the thought process was that he got so worked up during games that they didn't want him to lose focus.

 

[Koya]

First, SD is the CLEAR winner here. There is no debate about that at this point in time. Can that change? Sure... but as of now, there is no question.

Second, SD crybabies, stop calling Eli a crybaby. Seriously... it doesnt wear well.

Eli did what he felt was in his best interest and the result is your team got a lot better. Let it go because the whining doesnt suit you. Go outside, hit the beach, surf a bit, smoke some kind buds and give up the Eli hate... you have no reason for it.

 

[Banger]

Agree that ripping people isn't constructive but that's the opposite of Rivers. River's was upset at himself during the KC game. He's as rah-rah as they come, all about the team, team goals and winning. He's been the definition of a leader at every level he's played.

Didn't the announcers this week say that the Chargers needed to assign people to be ready on the bench to calm Rivers down during games? I thought I heard that....could be wrong....but the thought process was that he got so worked up during games that they didn't want him to lose focus.

I did hear that as well, I think it was Whitehurst (3rd string QB) and maybe Volek that they mentioned. It's definitely something that he will have to get a handle on though because if teams know they can frustrate you they definitely will try to do so.

 

[Riffraff]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

And the 5th rounder they also got in the deal was traded for OL Oben, a former Pro Bowler.So, technically, 4 Pro Bowlers for Eli.

 

[jonessed]

First, SD is the CLEAR winner here. There is no debate about that at this point in time. Can that change? Sure... but as of now, there is no question.Second, SD crybabies, stop calling Eli a crybaby. Seriously... it doesnt wear well.Eli did what he felt was in his best interest and the result is your team got a lot better. Let it go because the whining doesnt suit you. Go outside, hit the beach, surf a bit, smoke some kind buds and give up the Eli hate... you have no reason for it.

Are you mistaking gloating for crying? Not that it's better per se, but I don't think anyone in SD is crying about Eli.

 

[Koya]

First, SD is the CLEAR winner here. There is no debate about that at this point in time. Can that change? Sure... but as of now, there is no question.Second, SD crybabies, stop calling Eli a crybaby. Seriously... it doesnt wear well.Eli did what he felt was in his best interest and the result is your team got a lot better. Let it go because the whining doesnt suit you. Go outside, hit the beach, surf a bit, smoke some kind buds and give up the Eli hate... you have no reason for it.

Are you mistaking gloating for crying? Not that it's better per se, but I don't think anyone in SD is crying about Eli.

The obsession with Eli, who is an underperforming player on a terribly underpeforming team is a bit of whining/crying.SD fans don't need to go there. They have the better player and the better team, yet some are still infatuated with Eli.

 

[Buttmonkey]

I think the Saints benefited the most from this deal. BREES!!!It looks like SD brass is not as smart as you guys are making them.

Brees has never won a playoff game - I mean you can "crown his ###" if you want, but let's temper the enthusiasm a bit.

 

[Shlon]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

The Vick/LT/Brees thing worked out for them pretty well, too, in hindsight.

Brees was not part of the Vick / LT trade

No, not directly, but if the Chargers chose Vick, they would not have selected Brees later, so he must be included in the equation.

If chargers kept the 1.01 I don't think they would've picked LT. Also in an interview with Dan Reeves he said if he kept the 1.05 pick he wouldn't have drafted LT but instead Andre Carter.

 

[dabed]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

give credit to the source when quoting them this is from Pro Football Talk

love that site

 

[jq_ballgame]

Don't mean to hi-jack this thread but take a look at the whole draft from the LT/Vick year...the Bengals got CJ, Rudi, and Housh all in the same draft. Also, in the first round, they took Justin Smith...one pick ahead of LT (scary to think of what LT could do with those WR's).

Back to the topic...I think trading Vick & Eli for LT, Rivers, Merriman, Kaeding, and a compensatory 3rd rounder is obviously a huge win for the Bolts. If this went down in someone's FF league, we'd probably have seen a couple "is this collusion?" threads.

 

[kingmalaki]

Don't mean to hi-jack this thread but take a look at the whole draft from the LT/Vick year...the Bengals got CJ, Rudi, and Housh all in the same draft. Also, in the first round, they took Justin Smith...one pick ahead of LT (scary to think of what LT could do with those WR's).

Damn, Cincy could'a had the squad!!!

 

[bc0312]

Now that the three Chargers (Rivers, Merriman, and Kaeding) are Pro Bowl Bound, does anyone think the Giants did well in going after that cry baby Eli???

Yes..I do. The trade was for Rivers and draft picks. It was not for Merriman. It was not for Kaeding. If AJ Smith picks David Pollack or Travis Johnson or Fabian Washington, is the trade a different trade? If he picks Joey Thomas or Donnell Washington instead of Kaeding, is the trade a different trade? Not at all. Because the trade was not for particular players. AJ Smith drafted exceedingly well; which is often times as much luck as skill on some level. But the trade was not a fleecing. And it is not clear that Rivers will or will not be better or worse than Manning when all is said and done. And how much the difference will be. Frankly, this is about a player evaluation. The value of the picks determined AFTER the fact by seeing who the Chargers picked is immaterial. That is out of the Giants control.

 

[Gr00vus]

Agree that ripping people isn't constructive but that's the opposite of Rivers. River's was upset at himself during the KC game. He's as rah-rah as they come, all about the team, team goals and winning. He's been the definition of a leader at every level he's played.

Didn't the announcers this week say that the Chargers needed to assign people to be ready on the bench to calm Rivers down during games? I thought I heard that....could be wrong....but the thought process was that he got so worked up during games that they didn't want him to lose focus.

I did hear that as well, I think it was Whitehurst (3rd string QB) and maybe Volek that they mentioned. It's definitely something that he will have to get a handle on though because if teams know they can frustrate you they definitely will try to do so.

I mentioned this earlier in the year during the Rivers Bandwagon thread. He really needs to tone down the temper tantrums, even if they're self directed. It's good to hear the staff is on the case.

 

[Gr00vus]

I think Eli is a better QB then rivers

There's absolutely no statistical, quantitative or qualitative way that Eli is better than Rivers. I'm all for being a staunch supporter of your favorite team, but you're only fooling yourself here at this point.

 

[H.K.]

I mentioned this earlier in the year during the Rivers Bandwagon thread. He really needs to tone down the temper tantrums, even if they're self directed. It's good to hear the staff is on the case.

Funny thing is that Volek and especially Whitehurst are not the type of veteran counsel to best provide the desired result. I wonder if they'll add a vet in the offseason to better serve this purpose?

 

[Gr00vus]

I mentioned this earlier in the year during the Rivers Bandwagon thread. He really needs to tone down the temper tantrums, even if they're self directed. It's good to hear the staff is on the case.

Funny thing is that Volek and especially Whitehurst are not the type of veteran counsel to best provide the desired result. I wonder if they'll add a vet in the offseason to better serve this purpose?

I hope they do something like that to address it. Either that or Kiel can score him some heavy duty cough syrup - now with extra valium!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I would really like to see Roethlisberger and Rivers win Super Bowls back-to-back. Roethlisberger has already done his part . . .

 

[DanFouts]

Manning seems unbothered by the comparison to Big Ben and Rivers...whatever.

AJ is still pissed about the Manning slight.....

Go get them Brees!!!!!!!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...0p-405681c.html

 

[BoltBacker]

The obsession with Eli, who is an underperforming player on a terribly underpeforming team is a bit of whining/crying.

I honestly don't even think he's underperforming.He's only 25yo and nearly has an 80 QB rating. He's already led the Giants to the playoffs once. QB's generally don't peek until close to 30 so he's still got plenty of time to improve. He's got the arm to be sure. His biggest knocks on him are leadership and decision making with the ball. Meh, you can say that about most young QB's and those concerns can certainly be fixed with experience. As far as leadership goes I don't buy that because he's on a veteran team and they already have guys that are supposed to be leaders. The only ones that should be disappointed are the people that thought he was going to be a carbon-copy of his elder brother.It's hard for me to fathom that anybody thinks Roeth, Rivers, Eli or even Losman(who's quietly having a very good season this year) have been underperforming at the ripe-old-age of 25.

 

[Pat Patriot]

I still think it's far too early to be determining a "winner." However, at this point, the players that were able to be acquired by the Chargers are certainly performing very well and appear to have improved the Chargers more then Manning has improved the Giants.

Manning is clearly a mess and Merriman is a defensive player of the year candidate. If you want to call Philip Rivers a serviceable QB and not a Pro Bowl QB (since he clearly shouldnt have been chosen ahead of Brady) then I am fine with it. Throw in a Pro Bowl kicker (mostly because the Chargers are such a high scoring team, I dont think Kaeding is that great) and a starting offensive lineman in Oben and it is ALREADY a slam dunk trade for the Chargers.Wake up.

 

[Pat Patriot]

Manning seems unbothered by the comparison to Big Ben and Rivers...whatever.

AJ is still pissed about the Manning slight.....

Go get them Brees!!!!!!!!

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...0p-405681c.html

Manning is unbothered by anything. It doesnt even seem like he has a pulse.