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I don't have any links to the ongoing powere struggle between Smith and Schottenheimer but are there any San Diego homers (or anyone else for that matter) that want to chime in on who they favor, and who does Alex Spanos favor???

 
Last rumor I heard said that they had better put aside their petty squabbling and win at least one postseason game or they are BOTH gone.

If it was me, I'd take AJ over Marty (nothing against Schottenheimer though, just my preference).

 
The sad part is, if the Chargers struggle with Phil Rivers at the helm, it will likely give A.J. the juice to fire Schotty when, in fact, Schotty wanted to keep Brees but A.J. wouldn't have it.

 
The sad part is, if the Chargers struggle with Phil Rivers at the helm, it will likely give A.J. the juice to fire Schotty when, in fact, Schotty wanted to keep Brees but A.J. wouldn't have it.
Exactly. I think AJ's been wrong, and I get the feeling he's trying to force the starting lineup from the GM's desk. Maybe Rivers and Jackson will be great and Feeley is a quality backup. We'll have to wait and see. He's certainly not afraid of risk. If it works he's a genius; if it doesn't fire the coach.
 
What makes sense to me is that a lot of the SD FO has gotten cocky from handling the Eli fiasco and Brees tagging so well. Unfortunately, they are now putting their ducks on the shoulders of Rivers hoping he will pull a Carson Palmer like transformation.

 
Marty is a gonner unless he wins at least 1 playoff game. Spanos has nearly said those exact words on 2 occasions this off-season. For AJ to get his walking papers, its going to hinge on if Rivers/Brees choice turns out to be a dissaster, like the Bolts are picking in the Top5 of the 2007 draft, and the lockers room is a fractured mess. The consensus is basically AJ is on fairly safe ground and Marty is not. Marty and AJ haven't gotten along for awhile now. How it all started isn't very well documented, but to suggest AJ would hamper his team in order to get Marty fired is ridiculous. AJ needs to win to keep his job too, problem is AJ doesn't like his job securtiy tied to Marty.

As for AJ being cocky since the Eli thing, AJ has always been that way. He is a my way of the highway guy, black and white, not gray areas. His personality rubs alot of people the wrong way, but since he has started calling the shots, the Bolts are no longer a freakin dissaster, and instead are a nice young and talented team. Can't really argue with the results. The Merriman/Castillo picks last year were gold.

 
The consensus is basically AJ is on fairly safe ground and Marty is not.
:goodposting: Just about every decision AJ has made has turned out to be fantastic. Look at the difference between the talent on the roster three years ago and the talent on the roster today. Everything AJ has done has been controversial, from the moment he took over and immeidately got rid of David Boston and Marcellus Wiley, to bringing in Steve Foley, Randall Godfrey, and Mike Goff, to trading Eli Manning for P.Rivers, Nate Kaeding, Roman Oben, and Shawne Merriman . . . and so on. But all of those decisions turned out great. Letting Brees go is also controversial, but it was the right move. (He missed on the Sammy Davis pick, but no team gets every pick right. And bringing Gates in more than makes up for it.)

I think AJ is an absolutely fantastic GM.

Marty is a good coach, but he's Alex Spanos's guy, and Alex isn't running the show anymore. (Dean Spanos is.)

AJ's job is safe barring a complete meltdown. But Marty appears to be on the hot seat.

 
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AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.

As cheap as the franchise is, I'd bet on Wade Freaking Phillips getting the nod when Marty is canned. :(

 
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AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.

As cheap as the franchise is, I'd bet on Wade Freaking Phillips getting the nod whne Marty is canned.  :(
They didn't make it last year with the "proven" Brees. The Chargers have a very good defense, great RB and great TE so Rivers won't have to win games for them. I think they'll be right in the mix come playoff time.
 
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AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.

As cheap as the franchise is, I'd bet on Wade Freaking Phillips getting the nod whne Marty is canned.   :(
They didn't make it last year with the "proven" Brees. The Chargers have a very good defense, great RB and great TE so Rivers won't have to win games for them. I think they'll be right in the mix come playoff time.
If only Schotty and Chargers players agreed with you...
 
Just about every decision AJ has made has turned out to be fantastic. Look at the difference between the talent on the roster three years ago and the talent on the roster today. Everything AJ has done has been controversial, from the moment he took over and immeidately got rid of David Boston and Marcellus Wiley, to bringing in Steve Foley, Randall Godfrey, and Mike Goff, to trading Eli Manning for P.Rivers, Nate Kaeding, Roman Oben, and Shawne Merriman . . . and so on. But all of those decisions turned out great. Letting Brees go is also controversial, but it was the right move. (He missed on the Sammy Davis pick, but no team gets every pick right. And bringing Gates in more than makes up for it.)

I think AJ is an absolutely fantastic GM.

Marty is a good coach, but he's Alex Spanos's guy, and Alex isn't running the show anymore. (Dean Spanos is.)

AJ's job is safe barring a complete meltdown. But Marty appears to be on the hot seat.
I agree with this for the most part although AJ has made two big mistakes that they are still paying for today.1. Releasing Rodney Harrison

2. Trading down in the first round in 2003 and taking Sammy Davis. They were in a position to take Troy Palamalu (who was considered the best player on most peoples boards at that point and would have filled a huge need) but instead traded way down and got Davis and Kiel. Kiel is a pretty good safety but he is no Palamalu.

 
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I agree with this for the most part although AJ has made two big mistakes that they are still paying for today.

1. Releasing Rodney Harrison

2. Trading down in the first round in 2003 and taking Sammy Davis. They were in a position to take Troy Palamalu (who was considered the best player on most peoples boards at that point and would have filled a huge need) but instead traded way down and got Davis and Kiel. Kiel is a pretty good safety but he is no Palamalu.
Releasing Rodney was done by Butler, not Smith.Passing on Palamalu for Sammy Davis was definitely a mistake.

 
AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.

As cheap as the franchise is, I'd bet on Wade Freaking Phillips getting the nod whne Marty is canned. :(
They didn't make it last year with the "proven" Brees. The Chargers have a very good defense, great RB and great TE so Rivers won't have to win games for them. I think they'll be right in the mix come playoff time.
If only Schotty and Chargers players agreed with you...
Which part do you think Schotty and the Chargers players disagree with? That they didn't make the playoffs last year? That they have a good defense, great RB, and great TE? Or that they'll be right in the mix come playoff time? ;)
 
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I agree with this for the most part although AJ has made two big mistakes that they are still paying for today.

1.  Releasing Rodney Harrison

2.  Trading down in the first round in 2003 and taking Sammy Davis.  They were in a position to take Troy Palamalu (who was considered the best player on most peoples boards at that point and would have filled a huge need) but instead traded way down and got Davis and Kiel.  Kiel is a pretty good safety but he is no Palamalu.
Releasing Rodney was done by Butler, not Smith.Passing on Palamalu for Sammy Davis was definitely a mistake.
geez. :angry:

Could of had troy & the hair

 
AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers.
I assume you mean Brees, as Rivers hasn't been dumped. If Schottenheimer's fortunes were tied to Brees, then he has no one to blame but himself. Brees got injured in a meaningless game at the end of the season that he had no business playing in because Marty was trying for the ten-win bonus in his contract. If Brees was healthy, he might still be in SD.

 
AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers.
I assume you mean Brees, as Rivers hasn't been dumped. If Schottenheimer's fortunes were tied to Brees, then he has no one to blame but himself. Brees got injured in a meaningless game at the end of the season that he had no business playing in because Marty was trying for the ten-win bonus in his contract. If Brees was healthy, he might still be in SD.
Yep, right, my bad :bag:

 
Releasing Rodney was done by Butler, not Smith.

Passing on Palamalu for Sammy Davis was definitely a mistake.
It might even be tough to pin this one on AJ. The draft was only a handful of days after Butler's death. I imagine their draft board was pretty much set and rehearsed by then.
 
How quickly people forget that Marty is a big Phillip guy himself - he coached Phillip in the Senior Bowl and came away sold.

I think it's fairly easy to explain the AJ/Marty "battle": their personal interests aren't necessarily coinciding at all points now.

Marty's interest: Win now.

AJ's interest: Win now while not compromising the ability of the franchise to remain competitive year after year.

Any coach on the hot seat would want the QB who had succeeded the past two years to return for the season in which said coach was going to be judged. That's exactly how Marty feels, IMO.

Marty's wishes that Drew return is not an indictment of Phillip Rivers' future - it's simply a matter of Marty wanting as many good players on the Chargers roster in 2006 as possible.

 
Marty's wishes that Drew return is not an indictment of Phillip Rivers' future - it's simply a matter of Marty wanting as many good players on the Chargers roster in 2006 as possible.
For people who like conspiracy theories, it should be noted that Marty and Brees both have the same agent (Tom Condon).
 
Marty's wishes that Drew return is not an indictment of Phillip Rivers' future - it's simply a matter of Marty wanting as many good players on the Chargers roster in 2006 as possible.
For people who like conspiracy theories, it should be noted that Marty and Brees both have the same agent (Tom Condon).
I really dislike this to honest. Not just Marty/Brees Condon, I mean coaches represented by the same agents as the players. It can often times be a conflict in interest, there really should be a rul prohibiting it.
 
How quickly people forget that Marty is a big Phillip guy himself - he coached Phillip in the Senior Bowl and came away sold.
I'm a Marty fan but I don't think this gets mentioned enough.The year that all went down in the draft I was under the impression Marty was pushing for either Rivers or Eli and to hell with Brees.

Like Despyzer said, Brees would be a Charger right now if Marty hadn't left him in a meaningless game at the end of the season. If anyone thought Marty was on the hot seat now just imagine if Tomlinson or Gates had gotten hurt in that game and put a cloud over their '06 season. Marty would have been fired for good reason.

For Marty to go to the media and pretend "Brees is my guy, I wanted him as my QB all along" rings more than a little hollow. The biggest reason Brees is gone is Marty.

 
The year that all went down in the draft I was under the impression Marty was pushing for either Rivers or Eli and to hell with Brees.
He was... even after the season started Marty was down on Brees. Remember the Jets (2nd or 3rd week) game when Schottenheimer took Brees out when the Chargers were down by a few points halfway through the 4th. Brees hadn't looked bad that game, and it was in no way his fault that SD was losing that game. The next week Marty announced that Rivers was #2 on the depth chart, and I remember telling my brother-in-law that Schottenheimer was looking for excuses to replace Brees.
 
AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers.
I assume you mean Brees, as Rivers hasn't been dumped. If Schottenheimer's fortunes were tied to Brees, then he has no one to blame but himself. Brees got injured in a meaningless game at the end of the season that he had no business playing in because Marty was trying for the ten-win bonus in his contract. If Brees was healthy, he might still be in SD.
I completely disagree with this statement. Are you saying that all starters should be benched once a team is eliminated from the playoffs or just Brees because he happened to be the one who got hurt? Noone gripes about the many, many starters around the league that played the final meaningless game last year. Using this logic San Fran and Houston should have sat all starters begining in week eight since all their remaining games were meaningless.I think coaches should try to win as many games as they can every year. I don't want a coach who is willing to sit the team down and allow a division rival to come into town and get handed a win(granted the end result was the same, but I want them to work for it).

 
I can't believe that Schottenheimer is fighting with management to get power for himself.

-A sarcastic Redskins fan

 
AJ screwed him by dumping Rivers.
I assume you mean Brees, as Rivers hasn't been dumped. If Schottenheimer's fortunes were tied to Brees, then he has no one to blame but himself. Brees got injured in a meaningless game at the end of the season that he had no business playing in because Marty was trying for the ten-win bonus in his contract. If Brees was healthy, he might still be in SD.
I completely disagree with this statement. Are you saying that all starters should be benched once a team is eliminated from the playoffs or just Brees because he happened to be the one who got hurt? Noone gripes about the many, many starters around the league that played the final meaningless game last year. Using this logic San Fran and Houston should have sat all starters begining in week eight since all their remaining games were meaningless.I think coaches should try to win as many games as they can every year. I don't want a coach who is willing to sit the team down and allow a division rival to come into town and get handed a win(granted the end result was the same, but I want them to work for it).
:goodposting: Teams sitting guys in football because of the standings is ridiculous. I begrudgingly say that it makes some sense if you are going to the playoffs but I still dont like it.

Unless it is a coaches decision to play someone younger to give them experience, players should play the whole schedule.

You dont sit out games just because your team has been eliminated. You dont pull a Pedro Marinez and go home to the Dominican Republic in the middle of September just because your team has been eliminated from the playoffs.

 
I completely disagree with this statement. Are you saying that all starters should be benched once a team is eliminated from the playoffs or just Brees because he happened to be the one who got hurt? Noone gripes about the many, many starters around the league that played the final meaningless game last year. Using this logic San Fran and Houston should have sat all starters begining in week eight since all their remaining games were meaningless.

I think coaches should try to win as many games as they can every year. I don't want a coach who is willing to sit the team down and allow a division rival to come into town and get handed a win(granted the end result was the same, but I want them to work for it).
I'd back you in most situations, but for this particular scenario AJ made it known that he did not want to risk Brees' health heading into what was going to be a delicate offseason. Marty went against that decision for selfish reasons. He has to accept more of the blame for that injury than the guy who wanted to see what the younger QB could do.
 
I don't blame Marty at all for trying to win as many games as possible.
I really don't either, but if we are coming to the the automatic conclusion that Brees gives a team a chance to win a game and Rivers doesn't, then the Chargers may be in serious trouble.
 
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Teams sitting guys in football because of the standings is ridiculous. I begrudgingly say that it makes some sense if you are going to the playoffs but I still dont like it.

Unless it is a coaches decision to play someone younger to give them experience, players should play the whole schedule.

You dont sit out games just because your team has been eliminated. You dont pull a Pedro Marinez and go home to the Dominican Republic in the middle of September just because your team has been eliminated from the playoffs.
Absolutely nothing to gain by trotting Tomlinson out there in one last meaningless game. Why not play your starters during the entire exhibition season then?If anything there is more reason to play your starters during the exhibition season because the starters begin the season with better timing and hit the ground running so to speak.

If my team is out of playoff contention in week 17 it's dumb not to evaluate guys on the bench and decide who stays and who go's next sesason. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Tomlinson/Gates were going to make the '06 roster regardless how they performed in that game.

 
AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.
:headbang:
I'll admit they did way better than I thought with Rivers at the helm. But an Im even more disappointed now than if they would have not made it.
What do you think would have happened if Rivers sucked and they won only 5 games this year?Does Schottenheimer get another year?
 
AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.
:rant:
I'll admit they did way better than I thought with Rivers at the helm. But an Im even more disappointed now than if they would have not made it.
What do you think would have happened if Rivers sucked and they won only 5 games this year?Does Schottenheimer get another year?
No, he would have been gone when the season ended. But they couldnt fire him after a 14-2 season. Until he declined the extension, let all his coaches interview elsewhere and then wanted to hire his brother as DC.
 
AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.
:rant:
I'll admit they did way better than I thought with Rivers at the helm. But an Im even more disappointed now than if they would have not made it.
What do you think would have happened if Rivers sucked and they won only 5 games this year?Does Schottenheimer get another year?
dont know, maybe cause Cam & Wade might not have been gone.
 
AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.
:goodposting:
I'll admit they did way better than I thought with Rivers at the helm. But an Im even more disappointed now than if they would have not made it.
Everyone needs to remember that the QB is only part of the success of the team. You can win with mediocrity at QB IF the rest of the team is very good. There have been many QB's who were below average that have been along for a SB ride; Grossman was a good example this year. Phillips should have won a SB this year if they would have relied more on the team (LT2) instead of him.
 
AJ screwed him by dumping Brees for Rivers. They have virtually no chance at even making the playoffs this season with an unproven at the helm.
:goodposting:
I'll admit they did way better than I thought with Rivers at the helm. But an Im even more disappointed now than if they would have not made it.
What do you think would have happened if Rivers sucked and they won only 5 games this year?Does Schottenheimer get another year?
If Rivers had sucked the Chargers still might have made the playoffs.
 
You can win with mediocrity at QB IF the rest of the team is very good.
Shoot... sometimes you can even win with a Pro Bowl quarterback.
uh, yes...not sure what your point is though?My point was that the people who said the Chargers were a solid playoff team with Brees are off base if they said the same team would suck with Rivers. The QB is the most important position on the team, but it is not worth more than 12% of the outcome (see sig where 40% of the offense may be generous)
 

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