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Lions | Rogers or Williams could be goneFri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
 
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Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
Charles Rogers is a waste of talent, but Mike Williams still has major promise.
 
Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
There were offers for Rogers? Link?The answer to your question - people that don't want crackheads on their team.

 
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Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
I think the writer here, Tom Kowalski, is full of crap. He's the local "Lions insider", but he's wrong a lot more of the time than he's right about the Lions.
 
Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
I think the writer here, Tom Kowalski, is full of crap. He's the local "Lions insider", but he's wrong a lot more of the time than he's right about the Lions.
Not only that, but his "source" in this case is Tony Ortiz, and even more outside "insider" that was on the radio in Detroit yesterday claiming that BMW was going to be cut in training camp. it's all bollocks.

 
Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills?
the Lions.but who's to say it isn't the right move sometimes?wholesale flushing of the roster can be a good thing when a new regime begins. (the Browns are a good example of this) BUT, the fact that they still have Millen negates this train of thought. so, basically, i would file this under "the Lions will suck until they get a new GM"
 
I'll have to go ahead and differ with you on the value Charles Rodgers has. Who know how many strikes he has against him in the NFL substance abuse program. There's a good chance teams feel he is too risky given this and his personality and less than stellar work ethic.

That being said, I would be shocked if Rodgers hung around and Mike Williams was released, all things being equal (i.e. no reworking of contracts or what have you), as I think Mike Williams has less baggage, hence more trade value.

What isn't surprising is that Marinelli is looking to make an example of someone. Either choice would be A-OK if I were a Lions fan.

 
I agree Williams has more upside, but you've invested so much into Rogers its, imo, not a smart move to just cut him. He has 3 strikes against him in the drug program. I say you play him, ala Ricky Williams, and try to get his value up. If he produces very well you keep or trade him. But outright release? I could understand w/ an OL, DL, etc. WR's with his skills are hard to come by.

 
I agree Williams has more upside, but you've invested so much into Rogers its, imo, not a smart move to just cut him. He has 3 strikes against him in the drug program. I say you play him, ala Ricky Williams, and try to get his value up. If he produces very well you keep or trade him. But outright release? I could understand w/ an OL, DL, etc. WR's with his skills are hard to come by.
Yes, outright release is the right thing to do if management thinks he is still on drugs (likely IMO) and is a detriment to the team, which very possible if he still lacks motivation.
 
It would be a lot easier for Millen to cut Rogers than Williams - Rogers is known to be in the substance abuse programme and has done diddly squat since he was drafted three years, collarbone breaks and a susspension ago.

"Yep - it was a bad decision but we gave the guy every opportunity..." is a lot easier on the ego (or even image) than "The guy is a fat slob and we made a huge mistake last year drafting him - kind of makes me want to redo this years draft and reach for another 1st round WR"

 
Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
I agree with you on Williams. Maybe I would agree with you on Rogers if we were only talking about skills and possibly even attitude. However, his violations of the substance policy that got him the 4 game suspension is enough to tip the scales for me. Ship him out!
 
I agree Williams has more upside, but you've invested so much into Rogers its, imo, not a smart move to just cut him. He has 3 strikes against him in the drug program. I say you play him, ala Ricky Williams, and try to get his value up. If he produces very well you keep or trade him. But outright release? I could understand w/ an OL, DL, etc. WR's with his skills are hard to come by.
I would agree with this...You can't drop Williams ALREADY, when you just drafted him a year ago. If he were heavy into drugs and such, and already had a bunch of strikes against him, then sure, I could see that. But because he's "fat" or "lazy" or anything? Nah, not yet. Give the new coaching staff time to work with him. You don't invest a top 10 pick on him and then drop him a year later, sorry. I'd give him two years to shape up and produce, and then drop him. Which leads me to Rogers.... he would be a prime candidate to drop. Already has 3 strikes, been an injury risk, etc. I'd be willing to give him one more shot, but that's about it. I like the idea of playing him, trying to increase his value, and then trying to trade him mid-season or something...

 
I'll admit I don't follow the Lions and I'm not up on the latest in Detroit but, Mike Williams was on ESPN radio this week and I was impressed with what he had to say and how he said it... He was real excited about the new offense and said so far they absorbed 20% of it which was as much as the whole old playbook....

Just the way he spoke impressed me - He talked about meeting with Deion Sanders and how Deion said that the young guys today look forward to getting drafted and in the NFL but, don't do the work or care to be GREAT.... And he admitted he had no clue about how intense and how much work it really took to prepare for a season.....

Maybe I'm easily impressed but, he didn't sound like a Big Buffoon who didn't care or strive to be better like many of us think of him.

 
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Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
I think the writer here, Tom Kowalski, is full of crap. He's the local "Lions insider", but he's wrong a lot more of the time than he's right about the Lions.
Not only that, but his "source" in this case is Tony Ortiz, and even more outside "insider" that was on the radio in Detroit yesterday claiming that BMW was going to be cut in training camp. it's all bollocks.
That's like the blind leading the blind. I don't know how either one of these guys can be considered an insider when they rarely have accurate inside information. Their facts change faster than the weather in Michigan. I would be shocked if the Lions cut BMW. I think he is going to be a solid player. He just needs a little more time. Rogers may be done in Detroit. But I think he gets one more year too.

 
I'll admit I don't follow the Lions and I'm not up on the latest in Detroit but, Mike Williams was on ESPN radio this week and I was impressed with what he had to say and how he said it... He was real excited about the new offense and said so far they absorbed 20% of it which was as much as the whole old playbook....

Just the way he spoke impressed me - He talked about meeting with Deion Sanders and how Deion said that the young guys today look forward to getting drafted and in the NFL but, don't do the work or care to be GREAT.... And he admitted he had no clue about how intense and how much work it really took to prepare for a season.....

Maybe I'm easily impressed but, he didn't sound like a Big Buffoon who didn't care or strive to be better like many of us think of him.
:goodposting: Mike Williams gets an undue amount of flak for only being a rookie last year. He wasn't as dedicated as he should have been, but he is young and came from an undisciplined program to an undisciplined NFL team under Mooch. From everything I've read since the end of the season about him, he seemed to realized how much he effed up by not working harder and now wants to put in the work to be a great WR. IMO, he's not even in the same league as Rogers and they really should be mentioned in the same sentence about being cut.

 
This is funny. Williams is 22 and had 29-350-1 in his rookie year (after being out of football for a year). Matt Jones is 23 and in his rookie year had 36-432-5. Some people are ready to make Jones an all star while others are suggesting Williams be cut neither of which will happen.

 
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how much is Williams up to now.

This says 229 lbs.

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=272&season=8

I thought I read he was up to 240 to 250 lbs.
NFL.comHeight: 6-4

Weight: 229

At his proday at USC.

Mike Williams WR Williams (6-4 5/8, 229).

This

LINK reads he played at 235.

This blog here: Blog

Tuesday, March 14, 2006

More weight issues for Mike Williams?

There's been some buzz that the Lions are getting more concerned about Mike Williams and his weight problems. Williams carried extra pounds last year and was never in excellent shape. Last year, he fluctuated between 245 and 250 pounds and the Lions want him down to 235, if not 230, and early indications are that Williams hasn't exactly hopped the fast track to that destination. Stay tuned.

 
how much is Williams up to now.

This says 229 lbs.

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=272&season=8

I thought I read he was up to 240 to 250 lbs.
NFL.comHeight: 6-4

Weight: 229

At his proday at USC.

Mike Williams WR Williams (6-4 5/8, 229).

This

LINK reads he played at 235.

This blog here: Blog

Tuesday, March 14, 2006

More weight issues for Mike Williams?

There's been some buzz that the Lions are getting more concerned about Mike Williams and his weight problems. Williams carried extra pounds last year and was never in excellent shape. Last year, he fluctuated between 245 and 250 pounds and the Lions want him down to 235, if not 230, and early indications are that Williams hasn't exactly hopped the fast track to that destination. Stay tuned.
This was a month ago:

Apr. 11, 2006 - 10:37 p.m. ET

Mike Williams has reportedly lost nine pounds off his playing weight of last season.

He played at a slow 239 pounds last season and is down to 230. He says he's hoping to get to 225. Williams also said coach Rod Marinelli looked right at Williams when he told the team not to be late or overweight. "I think everyone gets the message and those that don't will get weeded out."
 
This is funny. Williams is 22 and had 29-350-1 in his rookie year (after being out of football for a year). Matt Jones is 23 and in his rookie year had 36-432-5. Some people are ready to make Jones an all star while others are suggesting Williams be cut neither of which will happen.
:goodposting:
 
Rogers maybe, but there is close to 0% chance they cut mike williams after his rookie season.

No team in their right mind would give up on their top 10 pick after 1 season unless it was due to a MAJOR career threatening injury or they got arrested for murder.

 
Lions | Rogers or Williams could be gone

Fri, 12 May 2006 09:17:41 -0700

Tom Kowalski, of mLive.com, reports the Detroit Lions could part with either WR Charles Rogers or WR Mike Williams before the regular season.
I don't understand the Lions reasoning. They could have traded one or the other before or during the draft. They didn't pull the trigger and now the may release one? The Lions spent top 10 picks on both of them. I think both players still have tons of value especially considering how young they are. Who the hell gives up on 21, 22 year old WR's who have top end skills? now that im done venting... :hot:
I think the writer here, Tom Kowalski, is full of crap. He's the local "Lions insider", but he's wrong a lot more of the time than he's right about the Lions.
ding ding ding we have a winner! :goodposting: While it is POSSIBLE that either will be gone, and I won't totally discount that, I also take all of Killer's (Kowalski) stuff with a grain of salt.

 
I think the writer here, Tom Kowalski, is full of crap. He's the local "Lions insider", but he's wrong a lot more of the time than he's right about the Lions.
So he is the Lion's version of Charley Walters of Vikings' "fame"?? :X
 
What about the cap hit?
I'm sure the cap hit would be substantial, which is why neither will be dumped... IMO.However if Rogers fails another test and looses a season their might be a clause in his contract where they can nullify it due to substance abuse.

***EDIT***

This of course is just speculation on my part.

 
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I say the NFL cut the Lions, if LA picks them up off waivers then the NFl has themselfs a tream in HOLLYWOOD. Plus they will suck there too.

 
I say the NFL cut the Lions, if LA picks them up off waivers then the NFl has themselfs a tream in HOLLYWOOD. Plus they will suck there too.
Why do that? They'll just have to move again in 5 years because the city can't support them...
 

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