Cheap or shark? (1 Viewer)

[kingcoin1]

Grabbing a player off waivers before your opponent --

Your opponent's main player has been ruled out, and you pick up the replacement off the waiver and plug him into your lineup. I have other capable players to plug in, but they are staying on the bench. This leaves my opponent with lesser options. or ?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[Touchdown Syndrome]

Are you asking if picking up the handcuff of an opponent's injured player a "cheap" move or a good, shrewd, "shark" move?

Seems pretty obvious to me. What's the downside for you to pick to pick up a productive player?

Would it be advantageous to be a real sweetheart and let your opponent pick up the replacement?

Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

 

[Tommy Collins]

Are you asking if picking up the handcuff of an opponent's injured player a "cheap" move or a good, shrewd, "shark" move?Seems pretty obvious to me. What's the downside for you to pick to pick up a productive player? Would it be advantageous to be a real sweetheart and let your opponent pick up the replacement? Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

This has been discussed over and over on these forums so I doubt you'll get that many answers. Search for it and check because if memory serves me right there were some pretty lengthy discussions on this topic.

 

[LittlePhatty]

Everyone in the league has the same opportunities and you all play by the same rules.

Provided that you aren't breaking a rule, it's totally fair.

I had the chance to pick up Coffee when Gore went down, but I didn't. I am really deep at RB and it is my least-needed position.

If I had been playing the Gore owner the next week, I would have picked him up anyway.

But I had already played the Gore owner in Week 1. I left Coffee on the wire.

There was still no guarantee that the Gore owner would get him. 10 other owners had the same shot, and if someone was desperate for a RB, I wouldn't have called it a "cheap" move at all.

 

[fozzy fosbourne]

There's an opportunity cost for taking another guy from waivers/free ahents when your handcuff is out there. This is it. Not cheap at all.

 

[comfortably numb]

[HermandEdwards]Hello, You plaaay to win the game [/HermanEdwards]

 

[fozzy fosbourne]

There's an opportunity cost for taking another guy from waivers/free ahents when your handcuff is out there. This is it. Not cheap at all.

To frame the problem another way, think of it like this:Owner UNO has a top RB and has the handcuff. UNO would like to have picked up WR off the waivers but owner A does not want to drop his handcuff.Owner DOS has a top RB and does not have the handcuff. His handcuff is out there in free agents, but DOS chooses to gamble and get WR instead.If you let DOS get his handcuff off waivers when his RB goes down, you are kind of screwing UNO, no? The only reason UNO has the handcuff is because he doesn't want someone else to take him first if his guy goes down. It dead roster spot if there's no threat of someone taking the handcuff.

 

[RJS113]

Grabbing a player off waivers before your opponent --Your opponent's main player has been ruled out, and you pick up the replacement off the waiver and plug him into your lineup. I have other capable players to plug in, but they are staying on the bench. This leaves my opponent with lesser options. or ?

Unless I'm reading this wrong, this move only makes half sense. I completely agree with picking up the player to keep him away from your opponent. Good move. But unless that player is your best option, what is the reason for starting him?

 

[Novice2]

Are you asking if picking up the handcuff of an opponent's injured player a "cheap" move or a good, shrewd, "shark" move?Seems pretty obvious to me. What's the downside for you to pick to pick up a productive player? Would it be advantageous to be a real sweetheart and let your opponent pick up the replacement? Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

This has been discussed over and over on these forums so I doubt you'll get that many answers. Search for it ....

No thank you i'll just read what everyone posts in this one.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If you are playing for money, it is the smart play. You would have to be stupid not to do it. Even if you can't start him, he is better off sitting on your bench than someone else's starting lineup.

 

[swirvenirvin]

huh

 

[Jewell]

Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

This. And send him a gift basket the week you play him.

 

[Da Guru]

 

[Jewell]

Are you asking if picking up the handcuff of an opponent's injured player a "cheap" move or a good, shrewd, "shark" move?Seems pretty obvious to me. What's the downside for you to pick to pick up a productive player? Would it be advantageous to be a real sweetheart and let your opponent pick up the replacement? Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

This has been discussed over and over on these forums so I doubt you'll get that many answers. Search for it ....

No thank you i'll just read what everyone posts in this one.

 

[MCguidance]

I learned one of my first years when it was the year Trent Green went down. My buddy told me he drafted fantasy gold in Green's backup....Kurt Warner. Lo and behold, he went down and I got screwed. Never again.

Smart move, IMO.

 

[rock753]

If you are playing for money, it is the smart play. You would have to be stupid not to do it. Even if you can't start him, he is better off sitting on your bench than someone else's starting lineup.

What does money have to do with anything?

 

[taylormeetstheismann]

Grabbing a player off waivers before your opponent --Your opponent's main player has been ruled out, and you pick up the replacement off the waiver and plug him into your lineup. I have other capable players to plug in, but they are staying on the bench. This leaves my opponent with lesser options. or ?

Savvy owners make moves within the framework of their league's rules whenever they can expect the results to improve their chances to win.

 

[kingcoin1]

I thought the move was fine. The player picked up was Coffee and I'm benching Grant.

The reaction from the guy is that he's posted a message on the league site, which in turns e-mails everyone. He's complaining about it, but I think he's looking foolish doing so.

Thanks everyone - no more need to comment ... the thoughts here are what I was thinking as well.

 

[Dragon1952]

Why didn't he draft the handcuff? Does he expect the league to just hand him over when the starter goes down? That's kinda like having an extra player on your roster.

 

[bakes]

I think it's a shark move in generak, although you don't want to stretch it too far as you may leave other options out there that may help your opponent more. As an example, I had that move backfire on me once. I was playing the guy with Denver's QB (think it was Plummer at the time) in the first round of the playoffs . Plummer goes down, I scoop up Beuerlein. He still needs a quarterback and picks up Koy Detmer, who was starting for the Eagles. Beuerlein has an OK game, Detmer goes off for something like 30 points in our league. Lost the week, out of the playoffs.

All because of Koy. Freaking. Detmer.

 

[editor47]

Why didn't he draft the handcuff? Does he expect the league to just hand him over when the starter goes down? That's kinda like having an extra player on your roster.

i draft talent rather than drafting backups. i don't believe in the 'handcuff' system. i have adrian peterson. i don't have chester taylor. why should i use a roster spot on a less-talented plaeyr in case my player goes down? why not just think positively and expect my player to remain healthy all year? and, no, you did nothing wrong.

 

[PatrickT]

I thought the move was fine. The player picked up was Coffee and I'm benching Grant.The reaction from the guy is that he's posted a message on the league site, which in turns e-mails everyone. He's complaining about it, but I think he's looking foolish doing so.Thanks everyone - no more need to comment ... the thoughts here are what I was thinking as well.

Where I come from, we call them crybabies. He doesn't have a right to anyone on the WW.

 

[twistd]

Are you asking if picking up the handcuff of an opponent's injured player a "cheap" move or a good, shrewd, "shark" move?Seems pretty obvious to me. What's the downside for you to pick to pick up a productive player? Would it be advantageous to be a real sweetheart and let your opponent pick up the replacement? Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

And it made me laugh.

 

[Godsbrother]

I thought the move was fine. The player picked up was Coffee and I'm benching Grant.The reaction from the guy is that he's posted a message on the league site, which in turns e-mails everyone. He's complaining about it, but I think he's looking foolish doing so.Thanks everyone - no more need to comment ... the thoughts here are what I was thinking as well.

Where I come from, we call them crybabies. He doesn't have a right to anyone on the WW.

What you did was perfectly fine. He could have handcuffed the guy if he had wanted to.

 

[CrossEyed]

Never understood guys who cry about this. If you want insurance, you have to pay the premium.

 

[Tanner9919]

Grabbing a player off waivers before your opponent --Your opponent's main player has been ruled out, and you pick up the replacement off the waiver and plug him into your lineup. I have other capable players to plug in, but they are staying on the bench. This leaves my opponent with lesser options. or ?

if the Yankees can do this to the Redsox repeatedly, and the Redsox, in return, do it to the Yankees, why can't you?!play keep-away! money's involved,right?if you were somewhat weak , but decided to play with A-7 and out of position in Tx Hold'em, wouldn't you raise the pot to get those who follow you to drop out of the hand? yes,you would.kind of the same thing here..you're trying to prevent others from gaining an edge on you and trying to better your position, make yourself stronger.

 

[tim_whatley]

Should you also give him a backrub and a candy bar while you're at it?

Reach around.

 

[sinatravolta]

I came in here expecting this to be one of those moves like picking up the guy and then dropping him for someone else - but late enough in the week so that the guy can't be picked up for this week. Now that I think is not cool. Because while in the league rules - I think it's against the spirit of the rules because you're picking a guy up you don't even want on your roster but just keeping him from other people.

But this - as everyone has said - is totally fine - normal part of the game. You don't even have to start the guy. Him paying the price for not handcuffing. Note - I am not big on handcuffing - but this is the risk one takes.

 

[Da Guru]

Players in the pool are "free agents" because nobody drafted them. They are nobodies backup. The are free to whoever claims them. If you feel it will help your team win stake a claim.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

I'd like to hear an argument *against* doing this. I don't think we'll hear any. Nothing wrong with picking up a free agent. You have to make room for them, so it has to be worth dropping someone else. That's an example of you running your team.

The waiver wire is not his extended roster. None of those guys are "his" players. Take them if you want them.

 

[Breesisdaman]

I'd pick him up and then send an unreasonable trade offer to rub it in his face. Thats if I didn't need the player myself.

 

[Tom Servo]

I picked up Coffee off the WW to bolster my lineup as I have Rice, McFadden and Choice. DMACs been something of a suck and Coffee has a great matchup per my league scoring system. Hence, he gets picked up and placed in my starting lineup alongside Rice.

all the way baby.

 

[habsfan]

It's fine but if I did it, my opponent would take a flyer on someone else who would go off out of nowhere for 110yds and 2 TDs. :/

 

[rjv]

Grabbed M.Moore of the WW before the guy I play this week, he has Parker.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I'd pick him up and then send an unreasonable trade offer to rub it in his face. Thats if I didn't need the player myself. :(

Maybe offer him for Mike Bell

 

[Instinctive]

I thought the move was fine. The player picked up was Coffee and I'm benching Grant.The reaction from the guy is that he's posted a message on the league site, which in turns e-mails everyone. He's complaining about it, but I think he's looking foolish doing so.

I did the same thing.Waivers are even more competitive in my league, because we have implemented open waivers all the time. Even during games. It's very different, but making quick moves can backfire. If you grab a backup and then the starter isn't reallly hurt...you burned a roster spot.And I picked up Coffee too. Think I play Gore owner next week as a bonus. He had the same chance to grab him. He didn't.

 

[Short Corner]

I drop my RB3-RB4-RB5 when there are a bunch of injuries to other RBs. I feel bad having guys on my bench that I'm not using that other teams would be starting.

 

[rdstorm]

Absolutely nothing wrong with this. A sharkier move, if you have the roster space, is to anticipate your matchups a week in advance and pick up the handcuff before the prior week's games so you don't have to worry about waiver priority if your next opponent's stud gets injured. Of course, this requires fairly deep rosters or you may be shooting yourself in the foot by doing this.

 

[firstseason1988]

I drop my RB3-RB4-RB5 when there are a bunch of injuries to other RBs. I feel bad having guys on my bench that I'm not using that other teams would be starting.

I picked up Coffee too pretty quick, and the guy I am playing this week does have Gore. I keep asking him if he wants a little CREAM in his COFFEE.He is starting Julius Jones instead. I hope JJ doesn't outscore Coffee.

 

[firstseason1987]

I drop my RB3-RB4-RB5 when there are a bunch of injuries to other RBs. I feel bad having guys on my bench that I'm not using that other teams would be starting.

I picked up Coffee too pretty quick, and the guy I am playing this week does have Gore. I keep asking him if he wants a little CREAM in his COFFEE.

He is starting Julius Jones instead. I hope JJ doesn't outscore Coffee.

Oof.

 

[renesauz]

I thought the move was fine. The player picked up was Coffee and I'm benching Grant.

The reaction from the guy is that he's posted a message on the league site, which in turns e-mails everyone. He's complaining about it, but I think he's looking foolish doing so.

Thanks everyone - no more need to comment ... the thoughts here are what I was thinking as well.

This is completely fine, since the player in question has real value.What I don't like is when an owner picks up a scrub player just to play keepaway or attempt to rape. (IE: The only QB on waivers when they already have 4) It is this kind of ("shark") move that ruins the worst to first waiver system.

And before I get hammered for this....consider that this "shark" maneuver is consistantly played by bad teams. Good teams won't waste a roster spot solely to play keepaway. Good teams generally refuse to overpay for the scrub in question, and the bad teams keep recycling scrubs, and remain bad teams.

 

[Ned]

This is why I love this place. Nowhere else would you get such cutting edge tactics.

Kudos to the OP

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

are you kidding? If I had the bench room I'd pick up the "handcuff" to my opponents injured back and stash him on my bench laughing.

 

[LadyBeBop]

Everyone in the league has the same opportunities and you all play by the same rules.Provided that you aren't breaking a rule, it's totally fair.I had the chance to pick up Coffee when Gore went down, but I didn't. I am really deep at RB and it is my least-needed position.If I had been playing the Gore owner the next week, I would have picked him up anyway.But I had already played the Gore owner in Week 1. I left Coffee on the wire.There was still no guarantee that the Gore owner would get him. 10 other owners had the same shot, and if someone was desperate for a RB, I wouldn't have called it a "cheap" move at all.

Same situation here, except I am playing the Gore owner, and he did pick up Coffee. Now, I'm holding my breath, hoping Coffee doesn't explode on me this week.But you gotta look at things in the long term. In order to pick up Coffee, I'd have to drop Buckhalter. And I like Buckhalter over Coffee in the long term. Besides, I don't even think I would have started Coffee this week.Crazy thing is...I convinced my hubby (who's in another league) to drop a little-playing-time RB for Coffee. He's starting him. So I'm rooting against him in that regard.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

are you kidding? If I had the bench room I'd pick up the "handcuff" to my opponents injured back and stash him on my bench laughing.

This. I can't believe anybody would object to this move.