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Chester Taylor To Start In Week 4 (1 Viewer)

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From RotoWorld:

Chester Taylor will start over Adrian Peterson in Week 4.

"Adrian will be in after him," Vikings coach Brad Childress said Friday. Taylor will be active, but is a weak flex consideration against a strong Packers defense. Peterson would be a decent play in non-PPR leagues because he figures to get the goal-line carries and possibly more action overall.

Source: Minneapolis Star-Tribune

 
shadyridr said:
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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Id imagine 1 more week and then after the bye week AD is the starter. Or CT could be the starter every week like Rhodes was last year in INDY but AD will get the bulk of the carries.
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I think if the Vikings go into the bye at 1-3 there will be A LOT of pressure on Childress to go with Peterson as the starter in Week 6. He could go the whole season with the model the Colts use - I don't discount the possibility of that at all - but I do think the more losses that add up the more pressure there will be for Childress to make his best offensive threat (arguably his only real playmaker) the official starter.
 
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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no ####. I'm guessing about 10 carries for 30 yards. I mean, does he think he's being cool by being obstinate and stupid? Does he not recognize talent? Or is he just an extremely bad coach?
 
Fresh ADP = :X Glad to have you back CT! Too bad ADP is used to carrying the rock 30 times a game...He does run "All Day" after all. Those GB guys are going to be moving mighty slow in the 4th quarter...Let's hope Chili keeps pounding his RB's all day long even if Minny is behind big. They obviously are NOT going to get it done passing the ball.

GB gives up it's first rushing TD of the season this week. Etch it in stone!

 
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sholditch said:
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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no ####. I'm guessing about 10 carries for 30 yards. I mean, does he think he's being cool by being obstinate and stupid? Does he not recognize talent? Or is he just an extremely bad coach?
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I'll go out on a limb and say smart coach.He knows his QB is not very good and his WRs are awful. AP is the future of the offense. Why risk getting him hurt in a season where they aren't going anywhere? The offense will need a year to get better and an offseason to get WR help (unless he goes his mentor's route at WR).Hit it in 2008 with a more experienced QB, better WR play, same good defense and AP with a year of learning the offense.It won't make fantasy players happy but it should make Vikings' fans happy in 2008
 
Zoomanji said:
sholditch said:
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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no ####. I'm guessing about 10 carries for 30 yards. I mean, does he think he's being cool by being obstinate and stupid? Does he not recognize talent? Or is he just an extremely bad coach?
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I'll go out on a limb and say smart coach.He knows his QB is not very good and his WRs are awful. AP is the future of the offense. Why risk getting him hurt in a season where they aren't going anywhere? The offense will need a year to get better and an offseason to get WR help (unless he goes his mentor's route at WR).Hit it in 2008 with a more experienced QB, better WR play, same good defense and AP with a year of learning the offense.It won't make fantasy players happy but it should make Vikings' fans happy in 2008
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Chester Taylor was just dropped my league. So do think it is a good move to pick him up?I was considering it, because I hear all this noise that AP is fragile, where are people getting this from (Wasn't his shoulder injury considered a fluke)?
 
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Well I am starting Peterson With FWP. Realy don't have choice (Edge vs Pitt or KJ).

If Peterson does not get 20 touches then it's time go EDGE till he does get 20 touches. (Edge Schedule is uber nice after this week)

Once the WR settle down hopfully I can up grade my WR core with one of these backs.

WR are of to incredible start to the season but there is no way we are going to have 8 WR with 15+ TD's 2 WR + 20 TD's and 2 WR + 25 td's . Sorry just not going to happen. No WR had had more then 15 TD since 2004. Can you name the WR that had more then 15 TD's and the one that had 15 td's? (There was 8 wr with more then 10 TD's that year Most in last 3)

The only WR that have chance to brake 15 TD's this year are Rand Moss (Done it before x2) mabyee S. Smith Never done it, and TO did it in 2001.

 
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sholditch said:
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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no ####. I'm guessing about 10 carries for 30 yards. I mean, does he think he's being cool by being obstinate and stupid? Does he not recognize talent? Or is he just an extremely bad coach?
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Does it really matter that much who starts for MIN? REALLY?
 
OU#1 said:
Stingdiddy said:
I think it's funny how any Chester Taylor thread turns into an ADP man love thread :rolleyes:
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Can you blame us?Was this thread posted to inform us that CT is startable, or that it will affect ADP?
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I think the thread was started for both reasons. I happen to own Taylor in my 16 man league in which we start 3 RB's. Taylor starting this week in Minny is huge for my squad. Yeah, ADP is great, but, Taylor isn't exactly chopped liver (he's not much better, but, for an RB3 he's alright). Let's talk about what we think Taylor is going to do.8 rushes (47 yards)3 receptions (17 yards)1 TDWhat do you think of them apples?
 
Zoomanji said:
sholditch said:
Crusaderfan said:
How much longer does Childress continue with this charade?
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no ####. I'm guessing about 10 carries for 30 yards. I mean, does he think he's being cool by being obstinate and stupid? Does he not recognize talent? Or is he just an extremely bad coach?
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I'll go out on a limb and say smart coach.He knows his QB is not very good and his WRs are awful. AP is the future of the offense. Why risk getting him hurt in a season where they aren't going anywhere? The offense will need a year to get better and an offseason to get WR help (unless he goes his mentor's route at WR).Hit it in 2008 with a more experienced QB, better WR play, same good defense and AP with a year of learning the offense.It won't make fantasy players happy but it should make Vikings' fans happy in 2008
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Sure, this will set the 2008 Vikings up nicely for Cowher.
 
Anyone else get that Clinton Portis-his-rookie-year feeling with AP?

Not many guys you can ride as rookies, but he may be the best yet.

 
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I remember last year when Taylor was out and the Vikes "started" Ciatrick Fason. Fason had a couple of carries and Artose Pinner had a huge day. That worked out pretty well for me during the playoffs. :thumbup:

 
Zoomanji said:
I'll go out on a limb and say smart coach.He knows his QB is not very good and his WRs are awful. AP is the future of the offense. Why risk getting him hurt in a season where they aren't going anywhere? The offense will need a year to get better and an offseason to get WR help (unless he goes his mentor's route at WR).Hit it in 2008 with a more experienced QB, better WR play, same good defense and AP with a year of learning the offense.
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I can understand the rationale of not wanting to overwork a running back in a season that is going nowhere. However, it's pretty sad to think that at 1-2 with two very close losses that the team and coach would already be conceding the season. NFL coaches don't have several seasons to start to show improvement.As for Peterson's development and experience, as long as he gets the majority of the work, it really is insignificant if he is officially the starter. However, if he gets fewer than half of the action, it could mean that 2008 will see still more learning happen with regard to how to handle a heavy pro workload.Your ideas of easing Peterson along are not outlandish, but there are also some disadvantages to the approach. By far, the biggest disadvantage is the not playing to win angle. Coaches are not well served by producting a "commitment to mediocrity" mentality. I don't know how rabid the fanbase is, or if all the games are already sellouts, but fans aren't exactly thrilled by that approach either.
 
The Jerk said:
Zoomanji said:
I'll go out on a limb and say smart coach.He knows his QB is not very good and his WRs are awful. AP is the future of the offense. Why risk getting him hurt in a season where they aren't going anywhere? The offense will need a year to get better and an offseason to get WR help (unless he goes his mentor's route at WR).Hit it in 2008 with a more experienced QB, better WR play, same good defense and AP with a year of learning the offense.
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I can understand the rationale of not wanting to overwork a running back in a season that is going nowhere. However, it's pretty sad to think that at 1-2 with two very close losses that the team and coach would already be conceding the season. NFL coaches don't have several seasons to start to show improvement.
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The sad thing is for the Vikings if they had any kind of a QB at all they would very likely be 3-0 right now.
As for Peterson's development and experience, as long as he gets the majority of the work, it really is insignificant if he is officially the starter. However, if he gets fewer than half of the action, it could mean that 2008 will see still more learning happen with regard to how to handle a heavy pro workload.Your ideas of easing Peterson along are not outlandish, but there are also some disadvantages to the approach. By far, the biggest disadvantage is the not playing to win angle. Coaches are not well served by producting a "commitment to mediocrity" mentality. I don't know how rabid the fanbase is, or if all the games are already sellouts, but fans aren't exactly thrilled by that approach either.
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There's also the very important matter for Childress that if he doesn't take full advantage of his top (and arguably only) playmaker there could be someone else taking his job next season who will take full advantage of what Peterson brings to the table. It would be pretty stupid for Childress to refrain from using Peterson because he wants to save him for the future. If the Vikings don't win some games and show some reason for excitement for 2008 and beyond, Childress may not have a future there.
 
packersfan said:
There's also the very important matter for Childress that if he doesn't take full advantage of his top (and arguably only) playmaker there could be someone else taking his job next season who will take full advantage of what Peterson brings to the table. It would be pretty stupid for Childress to refrain from using Peterson because he wants to save him for the future. If the Vikings don't win some games and show some reason for excitement for 2008 and beyond, Childress may not have a future there.
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Add to that the need for Peterson to work on his pro skills and gain as much experience as possible. Many players talk about how the game slows down for them after a certain amount of time. I would suspect that the number of plays is also a factor in this slowdown. Most of all, the Vikings need to see exactly what they have in Peterson to make sure they learn how best to plan to use him in 2008 and also to help him/them know how to improve most over the offseason.
 
I've more or less said this in one of the many other threads on the MN RBs, but it's important to keep in mind that Chester is their 2nd best offensive player (and possibly 2nd best receiver, behind ADP again). The "starter" thing is kind of silly, because I firmly believe that ADP will get the majority of carries at at least a 60/40 clip, but if you are Childress you want to find ways to get them both on the field. In fact, they should probably run the wishbone, even on passing downs, because M. Moore might be their 3rd best offensive player right now.

Probably also worth mentioning that Chilly likes to be cute by making teams prepare for "both guys." It wouldn't surprise me at all if Chester plays but is still limited.

 
jaisonline said:
now i'm deciding to start maroney or my workhorse, ADP. decisions, decisions, decisions all due at 10:59am.
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These threads always become ACF, but who cares - it's sunday morning.In this position, I start AD and don't 20/20 hindsight the decision. Gimpy Maroney on a team with a coach who LOVES to play all his cards versus a guy blowing up right now tp spell a player who is coming back from injury.
 
not to sound like a #####, but it's amazing that no one seems concerned by this at all.

sure, ADP should still be productive, but he certainly can't be considered an uber-stud for now.

chester's a pretty good back and if the vikes season turns south (more south), why exactly would they want to abuse their (injury prone) rookie RB in a season in which it won't help them?

if the vikes don't feel a playoff push coming on, isn't the smartest thing to do to abuse chester while they've got him, saving some of ADP for future seasons when he might actually help them?

unless chester gets hurt again (possible), it would make sense to me to just use ADP on 3rd downs and late-game touches when it's easier to run the ball. there's still plenty of value in that, but the expectations should still be tempered.

 
pollardsvision said:
not to sound like a #####, but it's amazing that no one seems concerned by this at all.sure, ADP should still be productive, but he certainly can't be considered an uber-stud for now.chester's a pretty good back and if the vikes season turns south (more south), why exactly would they want to abuse their (injury prone) rookie RB in a season in which it won't help them?if the vikes don't feel a playoff push coming on, isn't the smartest thing to do to abuse chester while they've got him, saving some of ADP for future seasons when he might actually help them?unless chester gets hurt again (possible), it would make sense to me to just use ADP on 3rd downs and late-game touches when it's easier to run the ball. there's still plenty of value in that, but the expectations should still be tempered.
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You don't sound like anything. We need more opinions that go against the norm in here.I don't agree with you, but thanks for posting. Good thoughts here.
 
I have AD in two leagues and he's starting - my worry factor about him losing touches this week is minimal, but I will be watching the situation closely as it may impact his future.

I have a firm belief that AD will be worth a fantasy start every week in a Reggie Bush/MJ-D '06 role, and I think Taylor will play himself into the change of pace role. I think the team will sputter with his workmanlike production versus AD's game breaking ability, and the coach will be trying to get fannies in the seats. The end result will be a lot of AD thorughout the game and 15-18 touches every game, which will be enough for him to be a quality starting FF player.

In short, unless the team seems willing to feed Taylor 20+ touches a game, rather then simply starting the game with Taylor and subbing the backs liberally, I am not worried.

Would I be more psyched if Taylor were on IR? Of course. But, I am not overly worried about AD - plus, Taylor's presence will limit the effect of the rookie "wall"

 
I own both of them, as I sure many of you do. We all know that AP is better. Stevie Wonder can see that. Our best hope is that Taylor runs for 1/3/-1/3/2 on his first five carries. If that happens, he'll get Wally Pipp'd. However, if he busts off a 57-yard rush on one of his first few attempts, I'm afraid we're screwed.

It's funny, I've never been "that guy" who roots for someone to get hurt... especially someone on my own roster! But when I decided to play Peterson over Taylor in week 1, I'm ashamed to say that my first reaction was sheer extasy when Taylor went out early in the game with an injury. This hobby will make you do evil things.

:(

 
So greedy, you Peterson owners are! When Shaun Alexander got drafted he had to wait for years to get significant carries behind Ricky Watters even when it was obvious Alexander was the future. Everyone expects AP to jump right in and be the super-star #1 RB .. May want to curb your enthusiasm a bit :ph34r: [/wetblanket]

 
Pound said:
Everyone expects AP to jump right in and be the super-star #1 RB ..
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:shrug: He has, though.He's the #5 RB in fantasy football, and he's been very, very good on the field.Pretty sure Childress isn't stupid. Peterson isn't going to sit for years, or even weeks.
 
Pound said:
So greedy, you Peterson owners are! When Shaun Alexander got drafted he had to wait for years to get significant carries behind Ricky Watters even when it was obvious Alexander was the future. Everyone expects AP to jump right in and be the super-star #1 RB .. May want to curb your enthusiasm a bit :gang1:
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New episode tonight! :shrug: I hope "Little Orphan Funkhauser" is in it....

 
RAIDERNATION said:
Pound said:
So greedy, you Peterson owners are! When Shaun Alexander got drafted he had to wait for years to get significant carries behind Ricky Watters even when it was obvious Alexander was the future. Everyone expects AP to jump right in and be the super-star #1 RB .. May want to curb your enthusiasm a bit :gang1:
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New episode tonight! :shrug: I hope "Little Orphan Funkhauser" is in it....
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That show is awesome.
 
Pound said:
So greedy, you Peterson owners are! When Shaun Alexander got drafted he had to wait for years to get significant carries behind Ricky Watters even when it was obvious Alexander was the future. Everyone expects AP to jump right in and be the super-star #1 RB .. May want to curb your enthusiasm a bit :unsure: [/wetblanket]
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I know Ricky Watters. Ricky Watters is a friend of mine. Chester Taylor, you are no Ricky Watters. :mellow: :shrug:
 
Watters was like what, 40 when they drafted Alexander? :scared: Edit: maybe I am thinking of Warren Moon being the elder one

Chester isn't garbage either, hejust got injured in the first game. The plan was never for AP to take the entire load either, just turned out that way for the first few games. I don't own either player so it doesn't matter much to me. You drafted a guy in RBBC tho and not even the starter. We'll see how it turns out.

 
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I think it's telling that Moore is inactive. Looks like they expect Chester to be able to handle whatever they need him to, whatever that is. Just IMHO.

 
Stingdiddy said:
OU#1 said:
Stingdiddy said:
I think it's funny how any Chester Taylor thread turns into an ADP man love thread :thumbdown:
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Can you blame us?Was this thread posted to inform us that CT is startable, or that it will affect ADP?
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I think the thread was started for both reasons. I happen to own Taylor in my 16 man league in which we start 3 RB's. Taylor starting this week in Minny is huge for my squad. Yeah, ADP is great, but, Taylor isn't exactly chopped liver (he's not much better, but, for an RB3 he's alright). Let's talk about what we think Taylor is going to do.8 rushes (47 yards)3 receptions (17 yards)1 TDWhat do you think of them apples?
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pretty close, except for the TD.
 
C Taylor 40 yds.. thought he'd get a couple more carries but seems right for his first game back.

AP should keep making people happy if he breaks those big runs every game.

 
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