Chester Taylor: (1 Viewer)

[Keg]

I didnt want to possibly hijack the thread i got this from so I figured I would start another thread

RB situations that should be good this year for rookies:

Green Bay

Buffalo

Indianapolis (Rhodes gone - likely to want a 2nd option for Addai)

Pittsburgh (FWP then )

for next year:

San Francisco (Gore is an RFA)

Cleveland (line has to improve and Jamal Lewis on 1-year deal)

Detroit (a mess if KJ is hurt long term)

Minnesota (Chester Taylor - one more shot this year)

not just singling out Jeff since I have seen quite a few people say they think minny could draft a RB or that minny might be looking to replace chesterLast yr chester ran for 1216 yards with a 4.0ypc and 6TDs in 15 games and he also added in 42 receptions for 288 yards

so why do people think that a back that accumulated over 1500 combined yards is gonna get replaced?

another thing to think about is just how god awful the minny passing game was last yr

I just dont get all the chester "hate" that I have seen(not just here)

 

[Keg]

just ckd and he had 1364 of his total yard thru week 12

remember he was OUT in week 13...so he struggled to put up stats when TJax was getting his baptism as a QB

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I liked the way chester performed last year. His speed killed.

But I could see the Vikes looking for a goalline back.

 

[NorrisB]

dont let the stats fool you Chester isnt a very good running back, he comes into camp out of shape, and really wore down towards the end. He's last last years LaMont Jordan. I would sell if I could get someone like MT or Carnell Williams

 

[LHUCKS]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

 

[Keg]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

and practically no QB

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He'd be a fine 1b to a much more explosive 1a back such as Adrian Peterson.

LHUCKS is right, though, he was playing hurt at the end of the year.

 

[LHUCKS]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He's not explosive, but if you want a Rudi/Droughns type of guy he should be solid.

 

[BigTex]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

The phrase "wore down" or "wear down" is highly over-used.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He's not explosive, but if you want a Rudi/Droughns type of guy he should be solid.

I'm just surprised that everyone feels that since Chet had a "nice" season last year that he has the position locked down and there's no need to upgrade.FWIW IMO - Rudi >> Chet > Droughns

 

[Keg]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He's not explosive, but if you want a Rudi/Droughns type of guy he should be solid.

I'm just surprised that everyone feels that since Chet had a "nice" season last year that he has the position locked down and there's no need to upgrade.FWIW IMO - Rudi >> Chet > Droughns

and i am surprised that everyone thinks he will be upgraded...wonder if there is a happy medium in there

 

[Andy Dufresne]

and i am surprised that everyone thinks he will be upgraded...wonder if there is a happy medium in there

I haven't seen anybody saying he WILL be upgraded. Must not be looking hard enough.The bigger problem is the depth isn't nearly as good as most people think.

 

[Keg]

and i am surprised that everyone thinks he will be upgraded...wonder if there is a happy medium in there

I haven't seen anybody saying he WILL be upgraded. Must not be looking hard enough.The bigger problem is the depth isn't nearly as good as most people think.

i used a bit of creative license to be the mirror opposite of what you said...but i have read since seasons end what seems to be many people that feel that chester will be upgraded...depth i can see AD I can't...but only time will tell

 

[Hinezer]

With Chester Taylor, you have to remember that he played the entire season against defenses that had no fear of being beat through the air. He saw a lot of 8 men in the box because the Vikings offense relied so much on short passes.

Not saying that it will make much of a difference this year because they still don't have a solid QB option or wide receivers.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He's not explosive, but if you want a Rudi/Droughns type of guy he should be solid.

I'm just surprised that everyone feels that since Chet had a "nice" season last year that he has the position locked down and there's no need to upgrade.FWIW IMO - Rudi >> Chet > Droughns

and i am surprised that everyone thinks he will be upgraded...wonder if there is a happy medium in there

I don't think anyone feels that he has it locked down for good. You have to consider the team he is on. If this were a super bowl contending team with all the pieces in place except for a dynamic, explosive RB, that would be one thing. It's far from that. Minnesota has much more pressing needs than at RB, which is why I, among others, think that upgrading at RB is not on Minnesota's mind. Even if you don't think he's a great RB, I think you'd be hard pressed not to agree that RB is a relative strength for them when compared to DB or WR, for example. Don't tell me the "if you take out this run" garbage. Are we going to go through and take out everyone's best run? Can I say "if you take out the games when he had an injured rib, he averaged 4.2 ypc?" Don't forget that he had that season playing with a QB that couldn't throw more than 20 yards and even if he could, he was throwing to WRs that couldn't get open or catch. Yes, he had a great offensive line. But that's not going anywhere. Upgrade at QB and WR and I think you'll see that this guy is more than fine.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't think anyone feels that he has it locked down for good. You have to consider the team he is on. If this were a super bowl contending team with all the pieces in place except for a dynamic, explosive RB, that would be one thing. It's far from that. Minnesota has much more pressing needs than at RB, which is why I, among others, think that upgrading at RB is not on Minnesota's mind. Even if you don't think he's a great RB, I think you'd be hard pressed not to agree that RB is a relative strength for them when compared to DB or WR, for example.

Don't get me wrong. I like Chester Taylor, was pleased when they signed him, and thought he did a great job last year. But he's no Adrian Peterson.And the only thing I don't like about the CBs is depth. Griffin was their best draft pick last year.

WRs....well we all know about those.

Don't tell me the "if you take out this run" garbage. Are we going to go through and take out everyone's best run? Can I say "if you take out the games when he had an injured rib, he averaged 4.2 ypc?"

It's not garbage when it's his ONLY long run. I'd like to see stats on the number of 5+ yard carries he had. I bet he was near the bottom of the league.And actually, you can't say the second part. I forget when he got hurt, but if you take out his last three games, and the one long run, his average bumps up to 3.8 ypc.

Don't forget that he had that season playing with a QB that couldn't throw more than 20 yards and even if he could, he was throwing to WRs that couldn't get open or catch. Yes, he had a great offensive line. But that's not going anywhere. Upgrade at QB and WR and I think you'll see that this guy is more than fine.

I can agree with that. I'm okay with Chester being "the guy" next year. But I'm just okay with it.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

He played in 15 games. In ten of those, he averaged 3.8 YPC or less. In 5 of those ten, he averaged 2.9 YPC or less. Co despite being a compiler, in 2/3 of his games he did not do well in terms of YPC and in 1/3 he was poor. Every other halfback (although they had far fewer carries, just 85 between them)- Pinner, Moore, and Fason all averaged over 4.4 YPC.

WHile Rudi had some similiar difficulties last year, he has a track record of 3 consectutive years with 1300+ rushing and 12 td's.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

He played in 15 games. In ten of those, he averaged 3.8 YPC or less. In 5 of those ten, he averaged 2.9 YPC or less. Co despite being a compiler, in 2/3 of his games he did not do well in terms of YPC and in 1/3 he was poor. Every other halfback (although they had far fewer carries, just 85 between them)- Pinner, Moore, and Fason all averaged over 4.4 YPC.WHile Rudi had some similiar difficulties last year, he has a track record of 3 consectutive years with 1300+ rushing and 12 td's.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

As for his rib injury, if you can't be moderately success at running back while backed up, you will always have a short shelf life in the NFL. I think a good example is Domanick Davis. Davis is a very productive back when healthy. However, when he gets dinged, he lacks the talent to overcome his impaired abilities. It is not so much that he is soft as it is that he is completely unproductive when less than 100%. When Davis is less than 100%, the coach basically has to make him inactive. While I admire Taylor's willingness to play hurt, it doesn't change the fact that almost any other rb would be more productive than him if he is hurt.

 

[Tag]

I watched a few Viking games last year but I was amazed how there always seemed to be 8 guys on Defense at the line of scrimmage just waiting for him to get the ball. They obviously had no respect for the Vikes passing game. I would think its tough to be a good running back when you have more guys at the line of scrimmage than you have blockers.

 

[LHUCKS]

I watched a few Viking games last year but I was amazed how there always seemed to be 8 guys on Defense at the line of scrimmage just waiting for him to get the ball. They obviously had no respect for the Vikes passing game. I would think its tough to be a good running back when you have more guys at the line of scrimmage than you have blockers.

Exactly.Although Chester isn't a gamebreaker, I think he's above average between the tackles.

 

[Warhogs]

Many people just feel like Chester Taylor is an average RB. Whether true or not that is perception. If you are juat an average RB then you will often be facing challenges to your starting job. He was a journeyman for a few years. He had a year to start and played well at the beginning of the season and then fizzled later on. Maybe this was due to playing a rookie QB but it just creates several question marks.

 

[Bri]

It was his first full year as true starter. Considerring that I think he did very well.

He was often banged up so hopefully that's a lesson learned and he comes into camp in better shape. I guess one being the result of another is debatable but IMO a RB should look like he's ready to carry a team on his back.

 

[Floyd The Barber]

Rudi Johnson - Chester Taylor Comparison

Cin QB > Cin WR > Cin RB = 7 in Box

Min QB < Min WR < Min RB = 8/9 in Box

That is all...

 

[ThePittbully]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

and practically no QB

Potatoe PatatoLets not forget who was blocking for the guy

 

[ELI2TYREE]

I don't think anyone feels that he has it locked down for good. You have to consider the team he is on. If this were a super bowl contending team with all the pieces in place except for a dynamic, explosive RB, that would be one thing. It's far from that. Minnesota has much more pressing needs than at RB, which is why I, among others, think that upgrading at RB is not on Minnesota's mind. Even if you don't think he's a great RB, I think you'd be hard pressed not to agree that RB is a relative strength for them when compared to DB or WR, for example.

Don't get me wrong. I like Chester Taylor, was pleased when they signed him, and thought he did a great job last year. But he's no Adrian Peterson.And the only thing I don't like about the CBs is depth. Griffin was their best draft pick last year.

WRs....well we all know about those.

Don't tell me the "if you take out this run" garbage. Are we going to go through and take out everyone's best run? Can I say "if you take out the games when he had an injured rib, he averaged 4.2 ypc?"

It's not garbage when it's his ONLY long run. I'd like to see stats on the number of 5+ yard carries he had. I bet he was near the bottom of the league.And actually, you can't say the second part. I forget when he got hurt, but if you take out his last three games, and the one long run, his average bumps up to 3.8 ypc.

Don't forget that he had that season playing with a QB that couldn't throw more than 20 yards and even if he could, he was throwing to WRs that couldn't get open or catch. Yes, he had a great offensive line. But that's not going anywhere. Upgrade at QB and WR and I think you'll see that this guy is more than fine.

I can agree with that. I'm okay with Chester being "the guy" next year. But I'm just okay with it.

No offense, but who the heck is Adrian Petersen? Has he ever played a down in the NFL? Because I know him as the jackass that needlessly dove into the endzone and broke his collarbone while in college.PS: Given a decent QB, I think Taylor's numbers will increase, especially as I think he is a very capable receiver out of the backfield. I'm bullish on Chester.

 

[renesauz]

Keep the Chester hate coming fellas. I'd love to be able to take him late as my RB2.

Seriously, the guy had no chance last year. They still have a solid line though, so if they can improve their WR's enough that the passing game gets a LITTLE respect, then he'll make a fine RB2, and he will be over 4.0 YPC if only 40% of his snaps are against 8 men in the box, instead of 75% like last year.

(I made those numbers up, but I suspect they are at least in the ballpark).

The Minnesotta situation needs watching. If there's no improvement in the WR corps, then he'll have a mediocre to bad season. If it improves a little, he'll be solid, but not spectacular.

 

[Rovers]

I'm no expert on the Vikes, but I do remember reading that Hutchinson's transition to Minny's zone blocking scheme wasn't a smooth one. He had some trouble making the adjustment, again, from stuff I remember reading... so no links. The comparisons to Jordan...meh. Two different teams, two different offenses, both with problems. QB problems, O line problems, etc. Both teams with good defenses, but other than that, I don't see much similarity. Oakland had NO offense at all last year, no OC to speak of, and Jordan got hurt.

Now, unless one predicts that Chester gets a knee like Jordan.... he should do reasonably well again, putting up similar numbers. Teams that can't run block, and face 8 in the box, like the Jets, OAK, Minny, HOU, AZ.... are all going t have problems running the ball. The RB usually takes far more than his deserved share of the blame. Unless the Jets for instance, do something about the putrid run blocking they now have, Thomas Jones will look lousy too. Bad run blocking, a QB with a problem getting the ball deep, usually means that the RB's aren't going to put up numbers. Same, same.

 

[cstu]

As for his rib injury, if you can't be moderately success at running back while backed up, you will always have a short shelf life in the NFL. I think a good example is Domanick Davis. Davis is a very productive back when healthy. However, when he gets dinged, he lacks the talent to overcome his impaired abilities. It is not so much that he is soft as it is that he is completely unproductive when less than 100%. When Davis is less than 100%, the coach basically has to make him inactive. While I admire Taylor's willingness to play hurt, it doesn't change the fact that almost any other rb would be more productive than him if he is hurt.

LT in 2005 after his rib injury:

| 13 oak | 25 86 | 24 | 0 || 14 mia | 21 75 | 0 | 0 || 15 ind | 24 76 | 9 | 0 || 16 kan | 14 47 | 18 | 0 || 17 den | 19 92 | 4 | 1 |

Taylor after his rib injury:

| 13 chi | 17 99 | 2 | 0 || 15 nyj | 11 38 | 0 | 0 || 16 gnb | 15 49 | 18 | 0 || 17 stl | 12 31 | 4 | 1 |

 

[EBF]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues.

Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

 

[Angus82]

I love that Chester is so highly valued. Someone in my dynasty league offered Lee Evans, Clinton Portis, and the Steelers D for Chester T. Needless to say, I jumped on that as fast as I would have jumped on a naked Jennifer Anniston. I had Chester last year and as great as his stats were, fantasy wise they just didn't seem to pan out. A big hit here and a crap out there. I want a consistent performer when I put someone in my line-up. Chet, despite that great line, did not do that.

 

[NorrisB]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues. Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Taylor after his rib injury:

| 15 nyj | 11 38 | 0 | 0 || 16 gnb | 15 49 | 18 | 0 || 17 stl | 12 31 | 4 | 1 |

Fixed. Taylor was knocked out of the Chicago game with the rib injury. His 99 yards came before he was hurt. After the injury, he missed one game, and didn't get 50 yards or 16 carries again. Other Minnesota rb's were more effective. What exactly were you trying to prove?

 

[Scooby]

I love that Chester is so highly valued. Someone in my dynasty league offered Lee Evans, Clinton Portis, and the Steelers D for Chester T. Needless to say, I jumped on that as fast as I would have jumped on a naked Jennifer Anniston. I had Chester last year and as great as his stats were, fantasy wise they just didn't seem to pan out. A big hit here and a crap out there. I want a consistent performer when I put someone in my line-up. Chet, despite that great line, did not do that.

Why cant i get offers like that.Agree tho on he put up very nice stats when the dfefense was keying on him with no regards to the viking passing game.

 

[Warpig]

Didn't Eddie George have a career YPC avg of like 3.4?!?! And isn't it being whispered that he could wind up in the hall of fame?

If Chester can work on his endurance to where he can be the workhorse the Vikings are gonna need since they don't seem to think they need a QB or WR, I think he could have a similar career to EG from this point on if he's given the opportunity.

But Taylor is probably a little more shifty and a better receiver.

 

[Da Guru]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

I agree..Chester player well.

 

[KoolKat]

Chester didn't wear down at the end of last year, he was playing with a rib injury.

 

[NorrisB]

Take out the 93 yarder (which was a total miracle for anyone that saw it) against the Seahawks and he has 3.7 ypc on the season. There were a lot of yards/tds left on the table due to Chet's lack of explosiveness.

He's not explosive, but if you want a Rudi/Droughns type of guy he should be solid.

 

[NorrisB]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues. Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

you should really be added to staff

 

[KellysHeroes]

We'll see what Minny does in the draft; but I think the Chester owner can breath easy this yr.

Chester was in the # 10 or 12 RB in my format last yr... w/ a tough sch.

 

[kensat30]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues. Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

you should really be added to staff

Maybe if there weren't so many question marks at the other offensive positions Chestor Taylor would be in danger this year. But the fact of the matter is, "average" is the best they've got at the moment. Not unless you consider Tarvaris and Williamson "above average" players at their respective positions.Personally, I think Chestor Taylor played very well last year. His O-line wasn't opening holes against those 8-9 man fronts, but he still was able to churn out some yardage here and there. Taylor was really the only redeeming factor of the offense last year. Looking at his stats, I can't really believe that he topped 4.0 ypc against such horrible odds. It seems to me that in half of their games, CT had more rushing yards than Minnesota had passing yards...

 

[ravnzfan]

Taylors work ethic has always been in question...he was constantly in Billick's doghouse a couple yrs ago w/JLewis missed 2 games hurt and 2 suspended---while Chet was "OK", you would of thought he'd be to practice early, watching extra film, etc....but no, Billick had to bench him after Lewis was back when CT was still expected to share in the carries (Lewis wasn't 100% yet) when Taylor was MIA from practice for 2 days late in the week of a game

The thing that saves CT's job this year is the Vikes have way too many offensive skill position holes to use a high pick on his replacement...he'll live to see another year

...but a 3.9YPC/7TD season awaits, unless he wakes up and smells the

 

[LHUCKS]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues. Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

you should really be added to staff

whose alias is this?

 

[cstu]

My philosophy regarding job security is very simple: it takes a very special player to secure a long-term hold on an NFL starting job. If a player is not very special, then he is always a major threat to be replaced. As such, marginal players or players who are merely "good" and not "great" cannot be relied on in dynasty leagues. Taylor is a below average to average NFL starter and is thus at constant risk of losing his job.

you should really be added to staff

Maybe if there weren't so many question marks at the other offensive positions Chestor Taylor would be in danger this year. But the fact of the matter is, "average" is the best they've got at the moment. Not unless you consider Tarvaris and Williamson "above average" players at their respective positions.Personally, I think Chestor Taylor played very well last year. His O-line wasn't opening holes against those 8-9 man fronts, but he still was able to churn out some yardage here and there. Taylor was really the only redeeming factor of the offense last year. Looking at his stats, I can't really believe that he topped 4.0 ypc against such horrible odds. It seems to me that in half of their games, CT had more rushing yards than Minnesota had passing yards...

They need to fix their passing game and pass defense before even thinking about RB. If Peterson drops to them he'd be tough to pass up as BPA but team-wise it doesn't help them where they need it. The Vikings run defense was great last year, but they got very little pass rush on passing plays - needless to say that's where teams attacked them. Getting a DE like Adams or Anderson would be a huge improvement on the pass rush over Udeze.