rockbottom895
Footballguy
Thomas Jones has had a pretty awful preseason, and Cedric Benson seems to be hurt again. Anyone have any information on who is gonna start?
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Thomas Jones will start.
Book it.
But it doesn't matter, as Benson/Jones will split time.
Jones will get 60% of the total rushing/receiving yardage from the RB position. Benson will get the bulk of the tuddies.
RBBC in full effect.
Book it.
But it doesn't matter, as Benson/Jones will split time.
Jones will get 60% of the total rushing/receiving yardage from the RB position. Benson will get the bulk of the tuddies.
RBBC in full effect.
rockbottom895
Footballguy
Split carries? Are you guys 100 percent sure of this? Who will be the better fantasy back?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Jones starts and carries the load. Look at his history when he gets 20+ carries a game.
Benson gets mop-up duty.
Benson gets mop-up duty.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Ohhh, you know, actually I found out today - Cedric Benson will get all of the carries. I'm 100% sure. I can't believe I forgot to post this earlier, thanks for the reminder!P.S.Benson will also score 12 TD's. Thanks again,Mike
kupcho1
Footballguy
Tuddies? Is this a Chicago-area fast food product or something?Tuddies?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'll say this one more time:
Assuming that BOTH backs are healthy, there is NO CHANCE that Thomas Jones gets more carries in 2006 than Cedric Benson. Zip. Zilch. None. Sig this... quote this... do what you will. There are 17 million reasons why Benson will see the majority of the action. Anyone who can't see this is fooling themselves.
Assuming that BOTH backs are healthy, there is NO CHANCE that Thomas Jones gets more carries in 2006 than Cedric Benson. Zip. Zilch. None. Sig this... quote this... do what you will. There are 17 million reasons why Benson will see the majority of the action. Anyone who can't see this is fooling themselves.
JetsJetsJets
Footballguy
RBBC doesn't seem to work for most teams. I can't see the team being in sync with two different guys coming in and out of the game. The players seem not to like Benson (or that could be overplayed by the media).
I see Jones starting week 1 and getting 90%.
I just can't see them doing 50/50.
I see Jones starting week 1 and getting 90%.
I just can't see them doing 50/50.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Fortunately for Benson, none of the players determine who is in the starting lineup.
LordHusker
Hot sauce addict
You're going to use that "both backs are healthy" caveat as an escape hatch, aren't you? You'll claim that Benson had a cold, got a cousin get pregnant, whatever ... to weasel out of the fact that Jones gets more carries this year.P.S. Nothing personal, but time to get rid of the chest-thumping sig, RaiderNeighborhood. Levin was high ... plus, nobody cares.
Your pal, a Denver Broncos diehard.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I don't feel the least bit weenie about including that clause, nor should I.Had I not included it, and Jones got 100 more carries than Benson simply because the latter was hurt for 6 weeks, all I would have heard about is my lousy guarantee that Benson would get more carries. Sorry.
No.P.S. Nothing personal, but time to get rid of the chest-thumping sig, RaiderNeighborhood. Levin was high ... plus, nobody cares.
Your pal, a Denver Broncos diehard.
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cr8f
Footballguy
Barlow thought so too until blockers played wosre when he was in the game.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
I don't think coaches consider how much money players are making as a factor when determining who will start and who will not. If you have a quote, feel free to quote someone... or if you have any statistical evidence that a guy that makes more money starts more often over a more talented and proven RB I'd like to see it.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Stop.No self-respecting coach would ever stand for that, and an old-school guy like Mike Nolan certainly wouldn't. Anyone who gets paid to block is not going to purposely tank out of some personal vendetta, or else he'll find himself suspended due to insubordination, or worse, released. And that guy would never find another job in the NFL.
RBM
Footballguy
Thats really stupid. The veterans on the Bears o-line would never let that happen
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You can't be serious, right??? How's the weather on your planet?The coaches "consider" it because the GM "considers" it. GMs call the shots -- not the coach. That's why Vince Young is in Tennessee. And get real.... good luck finding a quote where a coach actually is going to say "Well, we decided to start this guy strictly due to his enormous salary."
The early first rounders who make HUGE bank always get a shot to play, even if they don't really derserve to (not saying that Benson does or doesn't deserve to start -- that's a different argument for a different day.) The only really high recent draft pick I can remember having to wait a while to play is Philip Rivers. And when push came to shove in San Diego, where is Drew Brees right now?
gocats
Footballguy
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
And??? I'm STILL not claiming that he's anything special. I'm just telling you that he will get more carries this year because his salary dictates it. Nice legwork though.
gocats
Footballguy
Would A. Smith beat out a 1500 yard rusher like Jones 
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Good comeback.ETA: Did the NFL's official statistician credit Jones with an additional 200 yards rushing in the offseason?
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gocats
Footballguy
he got 1500/10, god your difficult to tolerateGood comeback.ETA: Did the NFL's official statistician credit Jones with an additional 200 yards rushing in the offseason?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My what is difficult to tolerate?YOU: "Would A. Smith beat out a 1500 yard rusher like a Jones"he got 1500/10, god your difficult to tolerateGood comeback.ETA: Did the NFL's official statistician credit Jones with an additional 200 yards rushing in the offseason?
Please tell me when he even came close to 1500 rushing yards.
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Steelers4Life
Footballguy
LOL, you're very, very foolish if you actually believe that. Cedric will eventually get his chance, but he won't get it right away just because of his draft status or salary.The better RB will be on the field, and that will be decided by their play, not their paycheck. Benson ran with the 1st team when TJ skipped the non-mandatory camps, and he continued to run with the first team when TJ came back... of course, we don't know if that's the case because Lovie was send TJ a message or because he intended to keep it that way. We'll never know because Benson's injury ended any sort of competition.
So, they'll judge TJ and Benson on what they've seen so far. My money is still on the guy who ran for over 1300 yards last year and was the heart and soul of the offense, but hey, that's just me.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
Footballguy
Well, I'm not going to find anything. You're the one with the homework assignment. That is, unless you can't back up your claim.You misunderstand things. GMs have control over who is drafted and signed to contracts, but I have a hard time finding a GM who directly determines the starters. Do they indirectly influence it? Yes, but not directly. They give coaches a pool of players to choose from.The coaches "consider" it because the GM "considers" it. GMs call the shots -- not the coach. That's why Vince Young is in Tennessee. And get real.... good luck finding a quote where a coach actually is going to say "Well, we decided to start this guy strictly due to his enormous salary."
No, early first rounder always get a shot to play becuase they usually are much more talented than whoever they may be replacing.Drew Brees in in New Orleans because the GM (that's the dude that works people contracts, not the dude that has a whistle around his neck) decided he didn't want to re-sign him.
Furthermore, if you think Lovie Smith is sitting in his office thinking "Damn.... Jones is a damned good RB, but the boys upstairs paid Benson all this money... I gotta start Benson" then I don't think you've been watching football very long chap.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm not your errand boy. I already explained why finding such a quote would be an impossibility.Pay closer attention.Well, I'm not going to find anything. You're the one with the homework assignment. That is, unless you can't back up your claim.The coaches "consider" it because the GM "considers" it. GMs call the shots -- not the coach. That's why Vince Young is in Tennessee. And get real.... good luck finding a quote where a coach actually is going to say "Well, we decided to start this guy strictly due to his enormous salary."
Lovie was hired by Jerry Angelo. Jerry Angelo drafted Cedric Benson and gave him a fortune.Keep telling yourself none of that matters, sport.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Did you just imply that Benson is having *relations* w/ his cousin?
Seriously, easy on Raider here. Let's not turn this into a pissing in the pool match...It's his OPINION - nothing more, nothing less - and he's entitled to it.
This situation could go either way (lead starter wise) and anyone that says they "know" is dreaming. Jones has proven it and has the team on his side, while CB has the phat contract and the GM whispering into Lovie's ear. I seriously doubt we see a full season of RBBC 50/50 wise. Maybe a week here or there, but not all year.
Sharks who want the CHI run game on their squad will burn the 4th and 6th round picks required to lock it up and roll the dice early on. Best case they're combining for your #3/4 rb and you have a little time to let this work itself out. One guy should prove he's deserving of the majority of the carries and it will be settled on the field. Both will be given opportunities to show what they've got, and ANY self respecting coach will play the better back. End of story.
If you feel like guessing on one or the other (not drafting the RBBC), just be prepared with back up options, sit on the back up you drafted and wait for a performance change/injury, or trade the guy away when it becomes evident that the guy you drafted isn't getting the opps.
Personally, I hedged my bet in a 10 team league and grabbed em' both - JIC (TJ 5th and CB 7th IIRC). I think that while CB will be given the opportunity, he'll *surprisingly* find a way to screw it up or get dinged again, and TJ will once again become "the guy" to have in CHI. That may take a few weeks to work itself out, but at least it's only costing mid round pick(s) to roll the dice.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Pretty much.Did you just imply that Benson is having *relations* w/ his cousin?
It's his OPINION - nothing more, nothing less - and he's entitled to it.
And the funny part is, every time I get into a debate with Jones lovers over this crap, they automatically assume that I think Benson is the greatest RB since Jim Brown. The fact is, I haven't even decided if I'm going to keep Benson yet. I would have to give up a 5th round pick (12 team league) to do so, and that's right about where his ADP currently is. I have to decide by Tuesday.I'm just trying to piece this together logically. You are a GM. You drafted a running back 4th overall and paid him a king's ransom when you had other glaring needs on the team, and you already had Jones on the roster. Even GMs are human. They have feelings like the rest of us. Angelo doesn't want to be made to look like a fool for taking Benson. And while I don't seriously believe that Angelo is in Lovie's headset calling plays, I do honestly believe that he "suggested" more than once to his employee, Lovie Smith, that Ced should get every opportunity at the starting gig.
I am not a Benson apologist. All I'm interested in is winning my league. If Benson can help that cause, great. If I don't think he can, I won't keep him. I'm just hoping to hear something in the next four days.
shakeybarn
Footballguy
NEG-A-TIVE.This is such the no-brainer...across the board (injuries aside, but I'll even give the edge to TJ).As a Longhorn fan, I will join other UT fans and say that Benson was fun in college, but never an NFL back.But not the point. TJ is the better back, gives them the chance to win.Look at TJones success ratios on the goal line... better than most first round running backs. Look at the game logs... most of his TDs come in the 4th quarter.Jones catches the ball.... 20-40 times a year, including a couple big pops... look at Bensons numbers. Wait, I should say NUMBER.... one catch in week 17 for 3 yards (prolly as an outlet on a busted play).Recall the games (not the single plays of 'flash brilliance' when you saw what you wanted to see).Look at the lone 2 games last year when Benson put up decent numbers.... one against a scrub team, the other when freaking Adrian Peterson had the even bigger game (across the board in stats). the other looked promising, but again Peterson peformed better... the 6th worst rushing D last year in New Orleans.Attitude... it goes on.The Benson rhetoric is based on pure speculation, and moreover his JUNIOR year in college. There's VERY VERY little proof that Benson can actually perform at a high enough level for a decent iota of consistency. Not taking a personal rip on Benson... I've just see this as such a gimmie.Problem is they both seemed to be getting nicked up... but this is about vs the other... Jones will be 3x better than Benson in the 4th quarter when Chicago is either down 10-17 or up 10-3... it'll be Jones they turn to.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You make fair points, but here is what you're missing.Benson was drafted specifically because his bruising, between-the-tackles running style fits Ron Turner's offense better than what Jones does.
That is the main worry for the Jones backers.
Might Jones still be the better back? Sure.
Might Benson never show in the pros what he showed at UT? Sure.
But the fact that Benson was hand-picked for this offense means they will give him a chance. Like I said in another thread, Jones ran for 1300 yards last season, and his style "wasn't suited" for this offense. Who's to say that Benson won't do even better?
ExtraPoint
Footballguy
The job was Benson's to lose before he hurt his shoulder. If he's fully recovered in time to practice without limits this week, I'd expect him to start week 1. Right now, Jones is participating in all drills. Benson is still limited. If that continues all this week, I'd expect Jones to start week 1.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
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Otis
Footballguy
Oh, as opposed to the highly-informative fifteenth Benson vs. Jones thread this week?[2:15am - Take laundry out of the dryer] CHECK[2:24am - Take a leak; Grab a snack] CHECK
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