***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (13 Viewers)

[tdmills]

Again, there's no way to know the differences between Rosen/Allen and the top 3 qbs coming out of this draft yet. Taking chance on one of those guys being better next year and giving more picks to do so, while not just using your one first round pick this year to take a qb makes no sense. Allen would've came out this year if he was better at this point. 

The difference is Rosen has been hyped as "the chosen one" when I watch film, he's better. Allen has the strongest arm I may have ever seen at the college level.

Nobody is saying you have to sell the farm next year, they could end up with a high pick. But drafting a position just because you have a need isn't smart business. That would be like Chicago drafting a LT at #3 because they need one and the draft class doesn't have a good LT this year.

Teams dig themselves holes when they force a player into a need. Picking BPA is always the best path. If a player fits a need and is BPA, go get them.

 

[flapgreen]

We'll have to agree to disagree here and move on. 

 

[icecat4270]

The mentoring justification makes zero sense. Mentor who?! A possible rookie qb who's 3rd string? So Glennon is starting while Dirty Sanchez is mentoring a rookie on the bench? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 

You are entitled to your opinion but it makes perfect sense to have Sanchez mentor a 3rd string QB who could be starting when Glennon's contract expires or sooner if he earns it.

 

[flapgreen]

You are entitled to your opinion but it makes perfect sense to have Sanchez mentor a 3rd string QB who could be starting when Glennon's contract expires or sooner if he earns it.

So mentor a high round qb while paying Glennon 17 million per to start? 

 

[flapgreen]

What if they don't draft a qb in the first 2 rounds? 

 

[3nOut]

This is a rambling mess with no point. 

Pot, say hello to Kettle.

 

[3nOut]

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. 

Kettle, say hello to Pot.

 

[3nOut]

So mentor a high round qb while paying Glennon 17 million per to start? 

Is paying Glennon that much for new year stopping them from paying someone else? They got the money to spend. 

 

[flapgreen]

Pot, say hello to Kettle.

Will you ever write anything up, or just wait for me to post and respond?

 

[Hawkeye21]

Is paying Glennon that much for new year stopping them from paying someone else? They got the money to spend. 

Exactly.  Glennon's contract really isn't a factor in any of this.  His contract is perfectly fine.

 

[flapgreen]

Exactly.  Glennon's contract really isn't a factor in any of this.  His contract is perfectly fine.

 Saying the highest paid person on the roster's contract isn't a factor in what other moves they will make is a huge stretch IMO.  If this is the case, Pace is bringing in Glennon and paying him huge money for a year with no intention of helping him or the team to succeed, while bringing in a vet to mentor a third string rookie.  That's really searching hard to justify why they signed Sanchez and nothing like what Dallas did.  In a league where rookies play early, I find it hard to believe that this is their plan. What if they don't draft a qb in the first 2 rounds? What's the reason then? 

 

[flapgreen]

I hope some of you guys are right and Pace has some grand scheme to put the Bears at the top. I'll be the first to admit being wrong.  Until then, I think Pace is throwing darts at a dart board and hoping he hits it lucky.  Lame duck coach. Signed a free agent qb to a big one year contract. When was the last time that even happened in the NFL?  Doubt Pace has some elaborate scheme and is setting some new trend.  If his plan was to move on from Cutler in this fashion, I question his reasoning abilities.  

I think he's great talent evaluator but wasn't ready to be GM of a franchise yet.  It's pretty evident what his approach has been. Learning from the mistakes that were made in New Orleans and avoiding any large contracts.  The problem is that he's left the team with no continuity and multiple one year contracts over the past two years and now left searching for a new qb in his third year of a "rebuild" when teams are supposed to be coming out of it.  His team has even less talent and may be at its worst in his fourth year.  I can't imagine this is the position he wanted to be in.  I'm cynical toward the Bears situation, as I think most Bears fans are at this point.  Nothing they have done makes me think they have figured out some secretive winning plan.  Each move looks even more confusing than the last. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Bears CB Deiondre’ Hall tasered, arrested in Iowa

•  Patrick Finley
  

 



Bears cornerback Deiondre’ Hall was tasered, arrested and cited for three counts in the early hours of Sunday morning in Cedar Falls, Iowa.


 



According to a police report, Cedar Falls officers arrived at 12:56 a.m. at Sharky’s Funhouse and found Hall, 22, ‘‘flailing his arms and yelling profanity at bar staff and patrons’’ outside the 18-and-over bar.

When an officer removed Hall from the group, he refused to answer questions, yelled at police, tried to escape and spat in their faces, the report said.

Hall resisted as he was being put in handcuffs and refused to get in the back seat of the squad car, the report said. A female officer tasered Hall’s left leg to get him to cooperate.



 
Bears CB Deiondre' Hall was arrested in Iowa. (Cedar Falls Police)




Officers said Hall smelled of alcohol, his eyes were bloodshot and his speech was slurred. He refused a Breathalyzer test and was cited for three misdemeanors: interference with official acts, public intoxication and disorderly conduct for fighting. He posted bond Sunday.

 
The Bears were aware of the arrest but had no comment. All arrested players are subject to discipline under the NFL’s personal-conduct policy.

Hall played college ball at Northern Iowa in Cedar Falls. Former college teammate Makinton Dorleant, a cornerback for the Green Bay Packers, was arrested alongside Hall and charged with interfering with official acts. The report said Dorleant tried to grab Hall even after officers told him to stand back and acted aggressively toward an officer. Dorleant told the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel the dispute started when a bouncer wouldn’t let them into the bar.

The Bears selected Hall with the 29th pick of the fourth round of the 2016 draft, but an ankle injury limited him to eight games. He had one interception.



 



 



Bears chairman George McCaskey, general manager Ryan Pace and coach John Fox will spend the next three days at the Arizona Biltmore in Phoenix for the NFL’s annual meeting. The Bears signed defensive end Ray McDonald during the meeting two years ago but released him that May after he was arrested on suspicion of domestic violence and child endangerment.

Cornerback Tim Jennings was arrested on suspicion of DUI, speeding and reckless driving in January 2015. Defensive tackle Henry Melton was arrested on suspicion of public intoxication and assault in December 2013.

Follow me on Twitter @patrickfinley.

Email: pfinley@suntimes.com

 

[flapgreen]

Smh

 

[Hawkeye21]

I found it kind of funny.  I've been to the bar he was arrested at.  Did a lot of partying at Northern Iowa back in my college days.

 

[flapgreen]

If Chicago drafts Jamal Adams, he will earn the most guaranteed money of any Safety EVER.

Qb or pass rusher is the only option 

 

[Hawkeye21]

If Chicago drafts Jamal Adams, he will earn the most guaranteed money of any Safety EVER.

Qb or pass rusher is the only option 

Who cares if he becomes the highest paid safety ever if he became the best player on the team?  If the Bears think he is the biggest difference making player in the draft then they better get him, regardless of what position he plays.  It's just silly to pass on a player because of something stupid like him becoming the highest paid player at his position.

I'm not sure Adams will be that difference making player but if the Bears think he is then they should do it.

 

[flapgreen]

Who cares if he becomes the highest paid safety ever if he became the best player on the team?  If the Bears think he is the biggest difference making player in the draft then they better get him, regardless of what position he plays.  It's just silly to pass on a player because of something stupid like him becoming the highest paid player at his position.

I'm not sure Adams will be that difference making player but if the Bears think he is then they should do it.

It means everything.  You start spending high picks and big money at positions of lower value and you end up with less money to spend elsewhere.  That's why you don't see safeties ever going in the top 5 or getting the same contracts as CBs. That's how things work.  None of the safeties coming out come close to Ed Reed or Sean Taylor.  Poor value 

These guys don't come close to Ramsey and he went at 5 as a CB. 

 

[flapgreen]

Demps
Amos
Hall
Fuller
Prostinkski
Bush
Jones-Quartay
Houston-Carson
Hurst

Not going safety at 3

 

[Hawkeye21]

It means everything.  You start spending high picks and big money at positions of lower value and you end up with less money to spend elsewhere.  That's why you don't see safeties ever going in the top 5 or getting the same contracts as CBs. That's how things work.  None of the safeties coming out come close to Ed Reed or Sean Taylor.  Poor value 

These guys don't come close to Ramsey and he went at 5 as a CB. 

What if it was going to be the next Ed Reed or better?  Are you saying a team still shouldn't draft one hat high because you just don't pay safeties that much?  Seems like a bad team strategy. 

 

[flapgreen]

Pace: "Mike Glennon is our starting quarterback and Sanchez I see as a really good solid No. 2 quarterback."

 

[MDSkinner]

Maybe we can pick up Kaep for the trifecta of amazing QB's.  I mean, at least he did this -->  VS GB

 

[Hawkeye21]

Maybe we can pick up Kaep for the trifecta of amazing QB's.  I mean, at least he did this -->  VS GB

Kaep or Sanchez?  I think Kaep is better but Sanchez is cheaper. 

 

[flapgreen]

Question for those saying wait until next year because there will be better qbs available:  Should we not have drafted Floyd because Garrett was coming out this year? 

 

[-OZ-]

You are entitled to your opinion but it makes perfect sense to have Sanchez mentor a 3rd string QB who could be starting when Glennon's contract expires or sooner if he earns it.

Shouldn't the qb coach be the guy teaching the rookie qb instead of a guy who couldn't get his #### together in the NFL?

Question for those saying wait until next year because there will be better qbs available:  Should we not have drafted Floyd because Garrett was coming out this year? 

1. If a team believes one of these guys is a franchise qb they should draft him.  (I don't think they are but we'll see what the teams think)

2. You can play Floyd and Garrett at the same time.  Having multiple great DE/OLB can work very well.  

Fwiw, I'm suggesting the teams don't draft a qb top 5 this year but it's not just "that one guy next year is awesome", it's that the guys this year aren't (imo) going to lead a franchise to success. 

 

[flapgreen]

Bears carried over 20 million from last year coming into this season.  Where have they improved?   CB?  Maybe.  Where else? Were top 5 in available cap space.  I'd argue Phil Emery's last team had more talent than this one going into Pace's third year. 

Pace went into this putting his money on Cutler.  Two years in, he changes course and is now left with Glennon and a lame duck coach in Fox with 9 wins in two years.  No way this was his plan.  Better hope he comes up with one quick or he'll be out of a job due to not having a real plan, and the Bears will be onto their next loser GM and coach.  

 

[flapgreen]

Invest huge in a qb and offensive tackles.  Start from there and move out.  The Bears never have in the draft.  Move Long to freaking tackle already. That's where he's belonged all along. 

 

[MDSkinner]

Invest huge in a qb and offensive tackles.  Start from there and move out.  The Bears never have in the draft.  Move Long to freaking tackle already. That's where he's belonged all along. 




 

Agreed.

Question for those saying wait until next year because there will be better qbs available:  Should we not have drafted Floyd because Garrett was coming out this year? 

For this question, I think it really depends on if the "guy" is available at 3.    If he is (whoever that is) take him for sure.   If not and if there is an appearance that next years QB crop is top notch, then I am all aboard 0-16 (or 2-14....gotta beat the Packers) to get the best QB.

 

[Hawkeye21]

Move Long to T?  I disagree. All that does is make two positions weak. Long is not that good of a T. 

 

[flapgreen]

What 2 positions and why is Long not a good tackle? 

 

[Hawkeye21]

What 2 positions and why is Long not a good tackle? 

They moved him to tackle before and he wasn't that good.  He was average at that position.  He's above average if not very good at guard.  It may not make two positions worse but it does make one worse while not really improving the other.

I don't think Long is much of an improvement at tackle which doesn't help much because that makes the guard position weaker.  He's the best guard on the team.  Why not have one of your best players at the position he excels at?

This was brought up last season as well and it was not considered that good of an idea.  It could work but I'm just not sure it makes the OL better overall.

 

[flapgreen]

I think he's been misused for a long time. Best athlete on the line. Got thrown in  at RT at the last minute and played extremely well after his first couple starts. Was far from bad and shut down Justin Houston, Mack etc.  Grasu was drafted to play center. Whitehair came in as a guard. Long is a big upgrade over Massie or Leno.  I've been calling for this for years now but they've never followed through.  Probably not going to happen. 

"Misused" is a little strong. I think he could thrive at Tackle when given time, though. 

 

[Hawkeye21]

I think he's been misused for a long time. Best athlete on the line. Got thrown in  at RT at the last minute and played extremely well after his first couple starts. Was far from bad and shut down Justin Houston, Mack etc.  Grasu was drafted to play center. Whitehair came in as a guard. Long is a big upgrade over Massie or Leno.  I've been calling for this for years now but they've never followed through.  Probably not going to happen. 

"Misused" is a little strong. I think he could thrive at Tackle when given time, though. 

So how do you see the OL then, like this?

 Leno - Sitton - Grasu - Whitehair - Long

 

[3nOut]

I think the Bears should target the following in this year's draft:

Round 1: HOFer

Round 2: Pro Bowler

Round 3: Starter

Round 4: QB or position of need

Round 5: QB or position of need (whichever wasn't taken in the previous round)

Round 6: Best player available

 

[flapgreen]

I think the Bears should target the following in this year's draft:

Round 1: HOFer

Round 2: Pro Bowler

Round 3: Starter

Round 4: QB or position of need

Round 5: QB or position of need (whichever wasn't taken in the previous round)

Round 6: Best player available

Same

 

[flapgreen]

Difficulty that Pace will have if he passes on a qb at 3.  Odds of Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, and Trubiskey all flopping is almost zero.  If he passes and one of them turns out, which will almost definitely happen, he'll be in danger of losing his job. 

 

[Interseptopus]

Difficulty that Pace will have if he passes on a qb at 3.  Odds of Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, and Trubiskey all flopping is almost zero.  If he passes and one of them turns out, which will almost definitely happen, he'll be in danger of losing his job. 

Do you think not any of them will be there round 2? I don't remember the last time 4 QBs went round 1. From the looks of it, it's possibly only 2 may go round 1 (NYJ, HOU). Maybe there's a run at 2.01 and 2.02, leaving Chicago a bridesmaid. My personal opinion is no QB in this draft is worth 1.03 much less a top 10 pick. Maybe a trade down? Or trade back into round 1? 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Do you think not any of them will be there round 2? I don't remember the last time 4 QBs went round 1. From the looks of it, it's possibly only 2 may go round 1 (NYJ, HOU). Maybe there's a run at 2.01 and 2.02, leaving Chicago a bridesmaid. My personal opinion is no QB in this draft is worth 1.03 much less a top 10 pick. Maybe a trade down? Or trade back into round 1? 

Originally I thought only 3 would go now I'm not sure.  Mahomes seems to be moving up boards so I could see all 4 going in the first.  I'd love to be able to get one of them in the 2nd round though.

 

[Interseptopus]

Originally I thought only 3 would go now I'm not sure.  Mahomes seems to be moving up boards so I could see all 4 going in the first.  I'd love to be able to get one of them in the 2nd round though.

Who do you see targeting a QB round 1? 

I see NYJ taking Trubisky (I said no one was worth top 10, I stand by that but the Jets are in love with him). If they don't take him CLE might grab him at 12. 

Houston taking Mahomes. with Romo retiring I can see Houston a little more in need of a QB now. 

Kizer I don't see going round 1. Too raw. needs time

Watson maybe to CLE at 12? If they don't take him I think they can still get him 2.01. Maybe not. 

I suppose 3 could go round 1. I'd be surprised... but I'm always surprised on draft day. It's plausible for all 4 slip out of round 1 too.

Flapper could be right... pass at 3 and you won't get another shot possibly... I think 1.03 is way too high though

I know signing Glennon isn't like signing a guaranteed pro bowl QB. He should certainly be better than Cutler. I think that takes QB off "round 1 need list" for Chicago. Beef up that defense. see what Glennon can do. If he doesn't do well go QB next year 

 

[Hawkeye21]

Who do you see targeting a QB round 1? 

I see NYJ taking Trubisky (I said no one was worth top 10, I stand by that but the Jets are in love with him). If they don't take him CLE might grab him at 12. 

Houston taking Mahomes. with Romo retiring I can see Houston a little more in need of a QB now. 

Kizer I don't see going round 1. Too raw. needs time

Watson maybe to CLE at 12? If they don't take him I think they can still get him 2.01. Maybe not. 

I suppose 3 could go round 1. I'd be surprised... but I'm always surprised on draft day. It's plausible for all 4 slip out of round 1 too.

Flapper could be right... pass at 3 and you won't get another shot possibly... I think 1.03 is way too high though

I know signing Glennon isn't like signing a guaranteed pro bowl QB. He should certainly be better than Cutler. I think that takes QB off "round 1 need list" for Chicago. Beef up that defense. see what Glennon can do. If he doesn't do well go QB next year 

I'm not sure what's going to happen but I know that the Browns, Niners, Bears, Jets, Broncos and Texans are all interested in a QB.  Who knows when they want to grab one.

 

[flapgreen]

Called it since the beginning. 4 qbs likely go in top 15. If Pace has any sense, the Bears will probably determine the first one to go. 

 

[3nOut]

I'm not sure what's going to happen but I know that the Browns, Niners, Bears, Jets, Broncos and Texans are all interested in a QB.  Who knows when they want to grab one.

Let 4 of them draft a QB this year in the first. That leaves better players for us in the second and fewer teams needing a QB next year.

 

[flapgreen]

Let 4 of them draft a QB this year in the first. That leaves better players for us in the second and fewer teams needing a QB next year.

This is terrible logic

 

[3nOut]

This is terrible logic

Why? Because you disagree?

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

Called it since the beginning. 4 qbs likely go in top 15. If Pace has any sense, the Bears will probably determine the first one to go. 

Are you saying the Bears should draft a QB at 1.03?

 

[avina1]

Are you saying the Bears should draft a QB at 1.03?

God I hope not. Take Lattimore, Adams or Hooker and be done with it.

 

[flapgreen]

https://theringer.com/2017-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-deshaun-watson-mitchell-trubisky-6e0d45a52fa5?gi=5a04702843b8

 

[flapgreen]

God I hope not. Take Lattimore, Adams or Hooker and be done with it.

Be done with what? None are anywhere near the athlete or playmakers that Taylor, Berry, and Ramsey were coming out. 3 Dbs taken in top 5 in last 20 years. I don't think any above 5 during that time. There's a reason it works that way. None of these guys compare to Ramsey, Taylor, Berry.  Forget about taking a DB at 3. Would be the worst value imaginable.  You take a pass rusher, OL, or qb with top 5 picks.  

 

[flapgreen]

DB is way too deep to be taking one at 3 this year. Very little drop off to the 2nd and 3rd. And Adams is a SS. Not even a free

 

[flapgreen]

Are you saying the Bears should draft a QB at 1.03?

At least one of these 4 qbs will succeed in the NFL. The Bears could have their shot to pick the one that does. You take it. Waiting and hoping you have a top 3 pick again next year to get one is foolish.  There's no consensus top end  talent in the top 5 this year.  Now is the time to finally draft a qb for the Bears. Been 14 years and they will likely have the top shot at one with likely 4 going on the top 15. Doesn't get any simpler.