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IF anyone is a franchise qb. No one ever knows for sure. They thought he was the franchise guy. Went after him. Again, whether he fails or succeeds, no one will give a damn they gave up 2 3rds after its all said and done. Look at the last 10 years of Bears 3rd round picks. Hell look at most 3rd round picks over the last few years. Odds are lower they succeed and Pace realized if you don't have a qb you don't have anything. Same thing I've been saying in here for months.
Ok. So quantify it then? Show me some concrete information that shows 3rd round picks are more valuable than a franchise qb? If you're going to call me out on the chart, back up what you're saying with something more than a vague description.
If I whine and complain, it's all about all flapgreen does is whine and complain. If Im OK with a move but people disagree, it's that I don't know what I'm talking about. Doesn't bother me. There's no winning with some folks.It's cracking me up to see flapgreen being the voice of reason/moderation/tolerance in this thread for once.
If you don't have a qb, 10 3rd round picks don't matter. As a lot of you have said in the past, they're building over the long-term. Drafted a qb early and it appears they are going to let him sit and learn. Hard to ask for much more than that. Just my opinion but it appears that's what Pace is doing. If you guys had so much confidence in Pace's drafting ability, you're going to lose complete confidence now because he went hard after a qb? That doesn't make any sense. Did he suddenly forget how to build a team?
That's not quantifying anything. Generate some discussion outside of one general statement about their record and needs.
I have zero issues with taking a QB. They still need picks to fill other needs though. If they were a good team then 5 picks is fine. They lack talent and the only way to get more is with more picks.
And how do you know this? Inside sources? You know that no other team was trying to trade up? No. You don't.
It's not about endless rambling and 45k posts.
Maybe. Or maybe another team was trying for him. Or maybe Pace was taking no chances at missing his guy. Who knows...
But we don't know this for sure. If Pace knew this, he would've waited. It's just how it works.
Their defense was middle of the pack last year. Their offensive line was above average for most of the season. They have a great RB. They were terrible last year because of the qb position. You get your qb and build out from there. Not the other way around. Trubisky will sit this year. Bears won't be very good again. Weren't going to be anyway. They may trade back tomorrow and get more picks. Could trade back next year and get more picks then. It will even out over the long haul.
John Fox sucks. I hoped for a QB this entire time. They took one. Nothing else u can say. I hope it works out
Can people please stop saying he would have still been there with the 3rd pick? You dont know that. It really makes you look like you don't understand the draft at all. I don't like the pick, BUT if it is who Pace wanted, there was a great chance someone else would have traded up to 2 if Pace didnt. So can't say for sure he would have been there at 3.
Obviously, there's a lot of guesswork in all of this. But Chicago never even brought Trubiskey in for a workout. Hell, he was as surprised as anyone by the pick. How could Trubiskey be Pace's guy?
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You're finally admitting that the OL wasn't the issue last year. You constantly complained about how terrible the OL was during the season and I had to keep reminding you that they were actually performing above average.
Like I said earlier, I like that they took Trubisky. But they did give up a lot. It's not two thirds, it's two thirds AND a fourth (this year). You can't compare past years because this year's draft is deep where you can get some very good quality players in the third and fourth.
Wait, you ##### for months about free agent moves. I ##### for an hour during the draft that we gave up too much for questionable qb. Why is it you give Pace a pass on this move, but none of his others?
Um... I didn't say Trubisky would've been there. I said he may have. What I do know is that Watson, Kizer and Mahomes were all there.
I don't know. That's Pace's M.O. Everything secretive. The private workouts are really a myth. If the player isn't a local guy, they can't actually work them out. Only interview. Look it up
If Trubisky wasnt still there, then they wouldnt of had their "choice of QBs". In fact, if any QB went, you wouldnt say they have their choice of QBs.
Since they traded up to get him it's very obvious that he was the only QB they really wanted. I think it sucks they had to trade up to get him. It's over now and really hope they capitalize on the rest of the draft because with only 4 more pick they need to make them count more than ever.
Here is the deal. Trubisky was not considered any better than Mahomes or Watson. They went at 10 and 12. You could have stayed put and got Trubisky. Or you could have traded back and gotten Watson or Mahomes a few picks later. This draft is deep at CB and Safety. The Bears could have gotten some strong players with those picks. I think they got convinced that someone was trying to move up besides them. I think they got sold a bill of goods. I think Kizer might be there at their second pick. I think this was a mistake.
I agree with this completely. Honestly, I was hoping Trubisky would fall to 3 so we could take him. Just from what I have seen, he seemed to be the best candidate this year to be a franchise QB and that is worth even more than the trade was. Obviously a huge If, but I think if you feel strongly that he is the guy, then why not take the jump?
Look back over the last couple week. Two weeks ago, he said he met with them. Yesterday, he said he didn't. Made no sense. Smoke. I'll bet Pace told him to keep quiet.
Kiper is a fool. Looks dumber every year. McShay said no qbs would go in first round.
Why. Might as well broadcast it to the whole world and say out bid me if you were going to give up half your draft to take him.
Not how Pace saw it. I doubt he got confused and made a last minute change. This was in the works for weeks.
Well we sure as hell aren't getting better with our FA signings. I was hoping we would find enough people to field a football team somewhere. Largely sarcasm, I know what you mean, if he really is a franchise QB, or at least a really good QB, the picks won't be a huge deal. If he's not one of those, Pace gone.
Yep. If Trubisky doesn't make a difference in 2 or 3 years Pace doesn't have a chance.
I didn't trust his shoulders and nether did any other teams apparently. It's a shame for him. He lost a lot of money.
