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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (4 Viewers)

Reminder: the #Bears brought in Josh Lambo (and Roberto Aguayo) for a tryout on 10/4. Lambo has since signed with the Jaguars and hasn't missed a FG with a long of 51.

 
ZWK said:
I like the Wright deal, and the Demps & Amukamara deals seem okay. The Glennon, Sims, Wheaton, and Cooper deals seem like overpays for mediocre players.
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flapgreen said:
If all the large amount of money Pace spent in fa this year, Amukamara and Wright are the only ones contributing, and even then not a lot.  Glennon, Sims, Cooper, Demps, Wheaton.  33 million. All a waste. Add in McPhee, who's been terrible this year, and you have 41 million in cap space who are contributing almost nothing. 
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For me, the salt in the wounds is seeing Shaheen catch that nice play action TD, or Howard on a nice screen pass. You see this once a game and it like- where has his been, and why does it go away in the second half?! It's not rocket surgery, just competent play calling- the plays are 30 years old. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, you have a great running game, use those West Coast staples and you will at least look competent.

 
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The amount of stupidity embedded in this franchise would be comical from the outside, but remains painful from the inside.

-The Bears' concept of developing young players is pretty much the exact opposite of the rest of the NFL.  Apparently, the best way to develop players is to make sure they never encounter a critical situation, ever.  This is the only explanation I can think of as to why Tarik Cohen played zero snaps in the two-minute drill on the final drive.

-After a pretty hot start for Adam Shaheen (3 catches and a TD in the first 17 minutes), he is targeted once for the rest of the game - in a competitive game, in which the Bears couldn't make up an excuse for not throwing the ball.  Yes, I know he comes from Ashland, he needs to learn to block, blah blah blah.  The best way to learn is by not throwing him the ball.  If the Bears consider Shaheen a weapon for the future, which he better be based on the draft capital they expended on him, they don't have any plays in the playbook with him featured as the primary target worth running?

-Everyone knows Connor Barth sucks.  At least everyone I watched the game with (all Lions fans).  We all kept saying, he's going to miss, as long as the Lions don't give up a TD, they are fine.  In what we all knew a long time ago is a developmental season, would it not be worth it to give Aguayo a chance?

 
It was unrealistic to view them as a playoff contender at this point, but I think expecting more than a "developmental season" going into the 3rd season with a head coach and GM was very reasonable.  They haven't improved at all. It's disgusting. 

 
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Info leaking from inside the team that Fox wanted Barth gone weeks ago but Pace didn't. Explains Fox's odd reaction a couple weeks ago when asked about it. 

 
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flapgreen said:
Going into next season.  If the Bears part ways with who I expect them to: Glennon, Sitton, Freeman, McPhee, Sims, Massie, Wheaton, Cooper, young, Demps, they'll have almost exactly 100 million in cap space going into next year with the franchise qb locked up for the following 4 years on a cheap contract. 
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Should be attractive for a good coaching candidate

 
Insein said:
Should be attractive for a good coaching candidate
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One would think.  Pace isn't strapped to any huge contracts, which I like about him.  The trouble is he's spending the same amount of money on a lot of  different players who do very little and don't return the next season, which is pretty much the same thing.  He needs to get someone in there who knows how to scout pros so he can actually add some talent that will stick around. I thought that was supposed to be Pace's specialty. Apparently, it isn't. 

 
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flapgreen said:
One would think.  Pace isn't strapped to any huge contracts, which I like about him.  The trouble is he's spending the same amount of money on a lot of  different players who do very little and don't return the next season, which is pretty much the same thing.  He needs to get someone in there who knows how to scout pros so he can actually add some talent that will stick around. I thought that was supposed to be Pace's specialty. Apparently, it isn't. 
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Same thing I said in the browns, just blow it all out. Get a GM and coach in there with the selling point that they have young talent, a top 5 pick, a possible franchise QB in place and a #### ton of money.  

 
flapgreen said:
Info leaking from inside the team that Fox wanted Barth gone weeks ago but Pace didn't. Explains Fox's odd reaction a couple weeks ago when asked about it. 
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I always figured it was Pace's way to make Fox actually play offense.  Don't give him a competent kicker so he can't play defense and special teams football the whole year.

 
rschroeder1 said:
The amount of stupidity embedded in this franchise would be comical from the outside, but remains painful from the inside.

-The Bears' concept of developing young players is pretty much the exact opposite of the rest of the NFL.  Apparently, the best way to develop players is to make sure they never encounter a critical situation, ever.  This is the only explanation I can think of as to why Tarik Cohen played zero snaps in the two-minute drill on the final drive.

-After a pretty hot start for Adam Shaheen (3 catches and a TD in the first 17 minutes), he is targeted once for the rest of the game - in a competitive game, in which the Bears couldn't make up an excuse for not throwing the ball.  Yes, I know he comes from Ashland, he needs to learn to block, blah blah blah.  The best way to learn is by not throwing him the ball.  If the Bears consider Shaheen a weapon for the future, which he better be based on the draft capital they expended on him, they don't have any plays in the playbook with him featured as the primary target worth running?

-Everyone knows Connor Barth sucks.  At least everyone I watched the game with (all Lions fans).  We all kept saying, he's going to miss, as long as the Lions don't give up a TD, they are fine.  In what we all knew a long time ago is a developmental season, would it not be worth it to give Aguayo a chance?
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Cohen has not been in as much as we would all like because he does not know the entire playbook yet and he has admitted it.  I'm not sure if that's on him or the coaching staff.  Probably some of both.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Cohen has not been in as much as we would all like because he does not know the entire playbook yet and he has admitted it.  I'm not sure if that's on him or the coaching staff.  Probably some of both.
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So Mcbride, who didn't come in until after the season, does? 

 
flapgreen said:
So Mcbride, who didn't come in until after the season, does? 
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Not sure but I bet his past NFL experience sure helps.  I'm not saying I agree with it, just passing along the information.

I've seen a lot of potential from this team but countless times the players either make stupid mistakes or the coaches get in the way.  Loggains keeps showing me that he can actually make some great calls for the offense but he's either not consistent or Fox makes him change his strategy.  I'm not sure who's more at fault.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Cohen has not been in as much as we would all like because he does not know the entire playbook yet and he has admitted it.  I'm not sure if that's on him or the coaching staff.  Probably some of both.
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I definitely can't stand John Fox, so take my comments with a grain of salt.  But these problems seem to be unique to the Bears.  It's been 11 weeks, plus 4 preseason weeks, plus the off-season.  There's no excuse.

I'm just not going to believe that if the Fox regime goal is to win as many games as possible, the best way to do so on the final drive was without Howard, Cohen and Shaheen.  Literally your only functional non-linemen on offense beyond Trubisky and possibly Inman.

 
rschroeder1 said:
I definitely can't stand John Fox, so take my comments with a grain of salt.  But these problems seem to be unique to the Bears.  It's been 11 weeks, plus 4 preseason weeks, plus the off-season.  There's no excuse.

I'm just not going to believe that if the Fox regime goal is to win as many games as possible, the best way to do so on the final drive was without Howard, Cohen and Shaheen.  Literally your only functional non-linemen on offense beyond Trubisky and possibly Inman.
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I agree.  I love the plays when they have Howard and Cohen in the backfield.  That with Shaheen out there and Trubisky's ability to run a read option should be able to keep defenses guessing all game.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Not sure but I bet his past NFL experience sure helps.  I'm not saying I agree with it, just passing along the information.

I've seen a lot of potential from this team but countless times the players either make stupid mistakes or the coaches get in the way.  Loggains keeps showing me that he can actually make some great calls for the offense but he's either not consistent or Fox makes him change his strategy.  I'm not sure who's more at fault.
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The trouble is they used that excuse to take out the guys who had been making plays all game long. 

 
Wading in here to say how impressed I have been with the Bears and Trubisky in general since he has come in under center.

Yes, there could be upgrades in skill made, and Trubisky needs to keep maturing, but they really looked good against the Lions in terms of Trubisky spreading the ball around, making good hard throws on target that gave his receivers a chance. They seem to have some good developing talent all over that offense, and their O-line seemed to play very well in terms of standing up the pass rush effectively and giving Trubisky time to make a play.

Trubisky himself seemed a little more poised, and man does he look good scrambling -- on one play he juked a defender nearly out of his shoes to gain a crucial first down on the run.

They have a lot of interesting weapons on the offense and while I know there is heavy (and often justified) criticism of the coaching staff in terms of play calling, some of it also may just be that they are still learning what guys like Trubisky, Cohen, Shaheen, and even non-rookies like Inman can do in this offense.

Was a great game to watch and loved seeing the Bears play competitive and exciting ball.

 
If players don't know the playbook week 11, it's the playbooks fault, not the players. It's the coaches job to get the best players on the field, not the best plays.

 
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Ay yi yi.  Looking worse than a bad college team.  Penalties, another missed FG, bad punt, poor awareness allowing Wentz to pick up a running first down, etc.

Watching just for the lulz at this point.  

 
I just don’t see “star” when I watch Mitch. I see an Andy Dalton ceiling. Pretty depressing. 

 
I would consider Pederson to be an "old school" type of coach.  Seems to be doing just fine.

We are just snake-bitten.  Sell the team to someone who will overhaul the entire organization.

 
-X- said:
I would consider Pederson to be an "old school" type of coach.  Seems to be doing just fine.

We are just snake-bitten.  Sell the team to someone who will overhaul the entire organization.
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Pederson is not really an old school coach. He's heavy into analytics and taking calculated risks. It's paid off big this year. Things like 4th and short on the opponents 40 and in are automatic go for it instead of traditionally punting. I'm so happy we got Doug. 

 
RBM said:
I just don’t see “star” when I watch Mitch. I see an Andy Dalton ceiling. Pretty depressing. 
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I think it will get a lot better when he isn't calling the most predictable play book in history from the Fox regime.  I'm still hopeful.

 
Might as well start talking about the next coach and the draft.

Jon Gruden, anyone?  Kidding.  Teryl Austin?

 
Insein said:
Pederson is not really an old school coach. He's heavy into analytics and taking calculated risks. It's paid off big this year. Things like 4th and short on the opponents 40 and in are automatic go for it instead of traditionally punting. I'm so happy we got Doug. 
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What I meant was that he uses a traditional methodology for his game plan.  The fact that he uses analytics and is aggressive on fourth down doesn't change that, only that he is willing to roll the dice more often.

Good article:

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2017/11/9/16626112/doug-pederson-philadelphia-eagles-head-coach-2017-progression-year-nfl-award-howie-roseman-chiefs

 
flapgreen said:
Wouldn't see anything from any rookie on this team. 
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Let’s face it, the situation will never really be good for him. We’re not miraculously going to turn into a franchise that does things right like get a good GM who hires a good coach.  Mitch will never have an ideal situation. No way that guy ever becomes a star. 

 
It won't happen but Fox needs to be gone tomorrow. Would make a statement they actually care about winning for once.  No need to drag it out and look even worse. 

 
RBM said:
Let’s face it, the situation will never really be good for him. We’re not miraculously going to turn into a franchise that does things right like get a good GM who hires a good coach.  Mitch will never have an ideal situation. No way that guy ever becomes a star. 
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I hope that's not the case, but there's no reason to believe they'll figure it out. 

 
In Free agency:  WR and CB.  

Amukamara has been playing better than Fuller and he'll be cheaper, so I'd stick with Prince.  Let Fuller walk. A ton of depth at WR in fa as well. Sign at least one top guy.  Also Re-sign Inman and Wright.  Both also cheap. 

Draft: Pass rushers and RT deep in first 2 rounds next year so target early in draft. 

 
Call me crazy, but this was the play that nearly drove me to turn the TV off.

First quarter, about 3 minutes left, Bears trail 7-0 and face 2nd and 19 from midfield.  The play called is a tight end screen.  Actually was kind of a nice play design.  Trubisky faked a hand-off to Howard (I think), who ran left to pull the defense to that side.  Trubisky then spun and threw a short cross-field pass to Dion Sims, who was about three yards behind the line of scrimmage.  On the right side, the play was poorly blocked by the Bears WRs, and the play resulted in a loss of three yards.

I realize this all seems innocuous, but I have a major problem with this play.  The target is Dion Sims, not Adam Shaheen.  Maybe I sound like a meathead, but I don't really care anymore.  What is the point of drafting a tight end the team envisions could be a Gronk-type one day, knowing right now he's raw, struggles at blocking, etc., if you won't even use him in a BASIC situation requiring him to do little more than catch, and run?  Especially after he has shown some flashes of skill in the past two weeks.  No offense to Dion Sims, but nothing is going to be built around Dion Sims.

I honestly cannot recall a situation like this, where a clearly bad team is so utterly uninteresting and refuses to unleash its young players.  They don't even try to pique your interest.

 
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