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It's both. Watch the tape and see how little separation the WRs get. It's bad and when he does try to get the ball to them it's dropped or getting knocked down. This WR group is not winning any battles, they just are not good enough right now.
You don't think the coaches affect the WRs routes and predictability of the offense, which affects their ability to get open?
I think they go together but the WRs are still responsible to running good routes and being physical with defenders. You know as well as me that this group of WRs are not that talented. There isn't a player that can fight for a ball like Jeffery could. The only time the WRs are making catches and getting yards is when they manage to wide open, which isn't often.
I'm not taking up for the WRs. However, I think their deficiencies are magnifed by the current coaching staff. Good coaching does the opposite. I put the struggles of everyone on offense more on coaching than the players. Let's see what happens next year with a slight improvement in talent and a huge improvement, hopefully, on coaching.Hawkeye21 said:
I'll go further on this. He cut Robbie Gould, who has been spectacular since. Then he brought in Aguayo and paid the $400K for submitting the claim. So Pace KNEW that Barth sucked, brought in a bum and paid him $400k for nothing. Aguayo was, well, Aguayo. So they keep Barth.
It appears his career is over. The hope now is just to save his leg this point.Da Guru said:
Plenty of teams have missed on kickers. When it comes to kickers and how mental their position is it can be very hard for a team to evaluate them. The Bears were not the only team to miss on Elliott. I thought the Aguayo signing was smart and it could've turned into another Elliott story but it didn't. Sometimes there's a lot of luck involved.
This jury is hitting me hard and its not because I'm a Bears fan either. It was hard to watch and just the chance he could lose his leg over a game really puts things in perspective. As fans we are so conditioned to seeing concussions, we know its potentially a serious problem down the road, but I don't lose sleep over it. Seeing Miller running on Sunday to possibly losing a limb a couple days later is harder to stomach.
Missing on a kicker would've been cutting Barth after 1 season of poor performance. The Bears are going into their 3rd year with this dud. Surely, he'll be gone by next week.
This is his 2nd year with the Bears and no one knows if he'll be around for the rest of the season. He's actually had a pretty good career until he got to the Bears.
WTF this is ridiculous. Once, hey I'm cool with that, stupid, but I get there is a long list of banned substances, and if any one of those is in a supplement you take you are gone. That being said, the NFL and team have plenty of resources to avoid this, and a second suspension is beyond stupid. Unless there is a major outstanding circumstance that Pace knows about, he needs to be cut before he costs us another dime. The guy is a tackling machine, but you just can't deal with this multiple times. As flap said the younger linebackers have been coming along nicely and when healthy should be able to pick up his slack. Jones, Kwiatkoski, and Timu lead by Trevathan doesn't seem like a bad ILB core at this point.
Ouch... if that's the case can I take back my last post and just wish him the best in future endeavors...
Here's the link to his statement on Twitter.
wow, kinda a second sobering reminder this week of what the game of football actually does to you.
I don't want to make this thread political but I think it's important to remember that these players are humans just like us. They are not just entertainers and they do not need to know their place. They do not need to keep their mouths shut. They need to look after themselves and their families just like we do. This is don't like to criticize a player for trying to get a big contract or kneeling or doing anything else to try and better their lives. We all only have so many opportunities in life so do the most with it.
It's actually the opposite. He's on the field a lot but not getting used in the passing game, he's being used to block.
I think it's too early to say that was a terrible pick. I know they are not using him the way we all want them too but he is on the field a lot. Lets not forget that rarely do rookie TEs do that well. I don't think we will have a good enough idea on him until after next season.
Only time will tell which team made the right move. It's over now and the Bears have their QB. Hopefully the Bears do everything they can to help make him successful.
We are already down some picks this year, I'm not sure I'm up for trading more away for new WR's. I think we pretty desperately need our 1st and 2nd round picks, don't think we have a 3rd, and I'm not sure anyone that will really help us in the future is available for a 4th or lower.
I'd give a 2nd for Hilton or Landry. Otherwise, a later round pick for someone like Pryor, Caroo, or Stills. Probably plenty of guys down the depth chart on other teams that could help us a lot for pennies.
plenty of beer, an attractive waitress, no stress, been a good morning! Too bad most of the games weren't even competitive..
