***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (6 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

Chase Daniels is out there making a case for JF and its reasonable. He rewatched the entire season and thinks JF was one of the most improved QBs in the league over that stretch. He was awful Weeks 1-3. Holding the ball too long, too many fumbles, not making the right reads.

Since returning from the injury he making better adjustments, reads, getting the ball out sooner and limiting turnovers. This was his second full year in the same system and his first year with actual NFL caliber weapons. He showed over this last year that he is still developing and has the potential to get better. Surround him with some additional weapons and he believes there is still room to take another step forward.

Save you breath, friend. The anti-Fields crown in this room are loud and don't care about facts or expert opinion.

Chase Daniels is an expert? No chance.

I don't want to hear the excuses anymore. 10-28 career record. One game over 300 yards. Horrible pocket awareness. Loser against GB. Got shut out by GB AND Minnesota the last month and a half. What about him having a good second half? A loser franchise would be ok keeping Fields.

You got it. Couldn't be any simpler.

 

[flapgreen]

Save you breath, friend. The anti-Fields crown in this room are loud and don't care about facts or expert opinion.

His QBR, passer rating, adjusted net yards per attempt, yards per game and completion percentage all finished in the bottom third of the league. His EPA per pass attempt was among the worst QBs in the league.

But what about the "expert opinions???"

They provide nuance over the scope of the entire season. Weeks 1-3 he was atrocious. The whole offense was.

The final stretch of the year he played pretty well and the team should have gone 6-1 if not for two meltdowns that weren't on him.

This is the #1 reason I'd fire Flus. This team was not anywhere near prepared to play in week 1. The OL was a freakin' comedy show. The DEF was scattered and uninspired. The playcalling on both sides of the ball was beyond terrible. Those things are 100% on the coaching staff with who Flus is responsible. They may love him in the front office, but he's got a LOT of work to do to show me that he can prepare this team for both Week 1 and every single week after that.

Agreed

 

[Statorama]

Looking at this thing holistically, the signing of Sweat, retention of Eberflus and the firing of Getsy - The Bears:

• Think they have a playoff ready defense, and feel Flus is a big part of that.
• Believe "Fields and a new coordinator" is a better situation than "a new QB and Getsy" for a 2024 playoff run.

Getsy definitely failed Fields. I never felt like there was a connection there. And if you draw a line in the sand and say your offensive game plan is so good that you're not tweaking it in any way to adjust to the talent on the field - your offense better be damned good.

I'd love to see Bieniemy run this offense, but that's a long shot. They'll likely select the candidate they feel can maximize Fields potential. Whether we like it or not, Bears management looked at Getsy and Fields and said one of you is the problem - and fired Getsy. Their chips are all in on someone being the QB whisperer that Fields needs to get to the next level.

The one thing I REALLY like is the moves that the Bears are making signal that 2024 is a playoff or bust year. No re-start, no rebuild. But if the 2024 Bears look like the 2023 Bears - ERBODY getting fired.

I think they will still draft a QB in the mid-rounds. This is a strong QB year.

 

[massraider]

Connor Allen

@ConnorAllenNFL

The Bears have an unbelievable track record of rarely fully aligning their GM/HC/QB which has led to dysfunction for more than a decade. Let's start in 2011...Jerry Angelo was the GM until 2011. Phil Emery replaced him in 2012, and despite the change at GM, Emery kept HC Lovie Smith and QB Jay Cutler.Lovie finished the season at 10-6 but Phil Emery fired Lovie anyway and hired HC Marc Trestman while keeping QB Jay Cutler.Emery and Trestman lasted until 2014 when both were fired.In 2015, New GM Ryan Pace hired John Fox to be head coach and kept Jay Cutler. They finished 6-10.The Bears proceeded to go 3-13 in 2016. Even with a terrible season, the Bears KEPT HC John Fox and drafted Mitch Trubisky. This did not go well and the Bears fired John Fox in 2017, hiring Matt Nagy to take over as HC.Mitch Trubisky lasted as the team's QB from 2017-2020 where Nagy was his HC the entire time.The Bears moved on from Trubisky in 2021, trading up to draft Justin Fields but once again KEPT the head coach in Matt Nagy!GM Ryan Pace was fired the following season along with Matt Nagy. The Bears hired GM Ryan Poles and HC Matt Eberflus but the Bears had just drafted a QB in Justin Fields so they kept him.Now as we head into the 2024 NFL Draft ...the Bears will once again be keeping their HC while changing a variety of other pieces (OC, QB?)

 

[Max Power]

Save you breath, friend. The anti-Fields crown in this room are loud and don't care about facts or expert opinion.

His QBR, passer rating, adjusted net yards per attempt, yards per game and completion percentage all finished in the bottom third of the league. His EPA per pass attempt was among the worst QBs in the league.

But what about the "expert opinions???"

They provide nuance over the scope of the entire season. Weeks 1-3 he was atrocious. The whole offense was.

The final stretch of the year he played pretty well and the team should have gone 6-1 if not for two meltdowns that weren't on him.

He played average, which was a vast improvement over sucking. How is it that the bad things that happen are never on him? That's not the world we live in with the NFL. The QBs make the big bucks because it IS on them. These excuses just add to the long list of failures for the Bears. You win or you're out. That's how it works.

Fields no doubt has his faults but its the progress that has some of us optimistic that a big package for the #1 pick could be what the team needs to get over the hump. I'm in the camp that thinks if you surround a decent QB with talent you're more likely to have success than to keep going back to draft well every 3 years hoping to Draft Brady or Mahomes.

I don't want to sit here and say Ownership Sucks, GM Sucks, Coaches Suck and the players Suck. Its fine to think that, but I find it more beneficial to break down each issue and try to understand the why behind decisions.

I asked you once before, but are you ready to go all in on Caleb Williams?

 

[Max Power]

The one thing I REALLY like is the moves that the Bears are making signal that 2024 is a playoff or bust year. No re-start, no rebuild. But if the 2024 Bears look like the 2023 Bears - ERBODY getting fired.

I think they will still draft a QB in the mid-rounds. This is a strong QB year.

Good post, but I think it will tough to take a QB this year. Bagent looks like a solid backup and Bears have limited draft picks at the moment.
2x 1st
1x -3rd
2x - 4th
1x - 5th
No picks after 142 overall

 

[rockaction]

No picks after 142 overall

Do you know how many guys after pick 142 stick in the league?

Not many.

 

[Chreesto]

Fields no doubt has his faults but its the progress that has some of us optimistic that a big package for the #1 pick could be what the team needs to get over the hump. I'm in the camp that thinks if you surround a decent QB with talent you're more likely to have success than to keep going back to draft well every 3 years hoping to Draft Brady or Mahomes.

I don't want to sit here and say Ownership Sucks, GM Sucks, Coaches Suck and the players Suck. Its fine to think that, but I find it more beneficial to break down each issue and try to understand the why behind decisions.

I asked you once before, but are you ready to go all in on Caleb Williams?

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

 

[Max Power]

No picks after 142 overall

Do you know how many guys after pick 142 stick in the league?

Not many.

They fill out the roster for a couple years. Our "starting" LT was drafted after that.

 

[rockaction]

They fill out the roster for a couple years. Our "starting" LT was drafted after that.

You're telling me that sixth and seventh rounders fill out the roster?

They're lucky if they stick with the team for over a year.

 

[Max Power]

Fields no doubt has his faults but its the progress that has some of us optimistic that a big package for the #1 pick could be what the team needs to get over the hump. I'm in the camp that thinks if you surround a decent QB with talent you're more likely to have success than to keep going back to draft well every 3 years hoping to Draft Brady or Mahomes.

I don't want to sit here and say Ownership Sucks, GM Sucks, Coaches Suck and the players Suck. Its fine to think that, but I find it more beneficial to break down each issue and try to understand the why behind decisions.

I asked you once before, but are you ready to go all in on Caleb Williams?

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

 

[Max Power]

They fill out the roster for a couple years. Our "starting" LT was drafted after that.

You're telling me that sixth and seventh rounders fill out the roster?

They're lucky if they stick with the team for over a year.

For the bears they do. 5th 6th 7th and undrafted probably make up 1/3 of the offensive unit.

 

[Chreesto]

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

 

[flapgreen]

Save you breath, friend. The anti-Fields crown in this room are loud and don't care about facts or expert opinion.

His QBR, passer rating, adjusted net yards per attempt, yards per game and completion percentage all finished in the bottom third of the league. His EPA per pass attempt was among the worst QBs in the league.

But what about the "expert opinions???"

They provide nuance over the scope of the entire season. Weeks 1-3 he was atrocious. The whole offense was.

The final stretch of the year he played pretty well and the team should have gone 6-1 if not for two meltdowns that weren't on him.

He played average, which was a vast improvement over sucking. How is it that the bad things that happen are never on him? That's not the world we live in with the NFL. The QBs make the big bucks because it IS on them. These excuses just add to the long list of failures for the Bears. You win or you're out. That's how it works.

Fields no doubt has his faults but its the progress that has some of us optimistic that a big package for the #1 pick could be what the team needs to get over the hump. I'm in the camp that thinks if you surround a decent QB with talent you're more likely to have success than to keep going back to draft well every 3 years hoping to Draft Brady or Mahomes.

I don't want to sit here and say Ownership Sucks, GM Sucks, Coaches Suck and the players Suck. Its fine to think that, but I find it more beneficial to break down each issue and try to understand the why behind decisions.

I asked you once before, but are you ready to go all in on Caleb Williams?

Not with Eberflus at the helm. Only decision is staying with Fields. If they did what a winning organization would do and went after Harbaugh, then I'd be all in kn drafting a QB.

 

[flapgreen]

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

No OC who values his future is going to come to Chicago.

 

[flapgreen]

Fields no doubt has his faults but its the progress that has some of us optimistic that a big package for the #1 pick could be what the team needs to get over the hump. I'm in the camp that thinks if you surround a decent QB with talent you're more likely to have success than to keep going back to draft well every 3 years hoping to Draft Brady or Mahomes.

I don't want to sit here and say Ownership Sucks, GM Sucks, Coaches Suck and the players Suck. Its fine to think that, but I find it more beneficial to break down each issue and try to understand the why behind decisions.

I asked you once before, but are you ready to go all in on Caleb Williams?

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I posted about this a few days ago. The money they will have to pay Fields for his mediocre play is going to be ridiculous, if they stick with him. If not, then we find out they kept the coach 1 year too long yet again and then likely won't have the ability to draft a QB in top 3 again next year. They will have passed 2 consecutive drafts on just that and end up empty handed like they deserve.

 

[flapgreen]

The one thing I REALLY like is the moves that the Bears are making signal that 2024 is a playoff or bust year. No re-start, no rebuild. But if the 2024 Bears look like the 2023 Bears - ERBODY getting fired.

I think they will still draft a QB in the mid-rounds. This is a strong QB year.

Good post, but I think it will tough to take a QB this year. Bagent looks like a solid backup and Bears have limited draft picks at the moment.
2x 1st
1x -3rd
2x - 4th
1x - 5th
No picks after 142 overall

Thus reflects the Bears organization in a nutshell. 2 top 10 picks and it will be hard to take a QB this year.

 

[Balco]

It’s been a pretty large sample size re: Fields. At some point management has to ask themselves whether Fields has an elite starter ceiling because they are going to have to pay him quite a bit. Packers player said game plan was to keep Fields in pocket - he couldn’t produce.

It’s better to try and find a true franchise qb then hamstring the team with a bloated contract for an average at best starting qb.

Now if Bears don’t grade any of these draft eligible qbs as franchise players, then rolling with Fields another year as a bridge while also picking up even more high end draft capital is a smart move. They can draft a qb in 2025, and continue to build their roster with the early picks.

They’ve made some terrible signings in free agency but have also made some nice picks. There is talent on the roster - I was in minority who though Sweat trade was good move and if they pair him with another rusher, that D is going to be playoff quality.

My eyes tell me they need more speed on offense - DJ Moore is an elite receiver, Kmet is solid two way tight end, but they need more speed at TE, WR, and RB. Some top end receiver talent in this draft.

 

[Max Power]

I like Fields

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

I'd support that pairing, but I don't know what Kingsbury would think about being second fiddle behind a lame duck HC after he has had HC experience before. I think the Bears will need to find an up and coming OC. Like the passing game coordinator for Miami.

 

[Balco]

I like Fields

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

I'd support that pairing, but I don't know what Kingsbury would think about being second fiddle behind a lame duck HC after he has had HC experience before. I think the Bears will need to find an up and coming OC. Like the passing game coordinator for Miami.

And that’s the issue too - what coordinator would come in knowing Eberfluss is a lame duck coach?

Bears should have just cleaned house and started fresh.

 

[flapgreen]

I like Fields

I appreciate this approach, and would fully support it, if it weren't for the massive escalation in QB pay, relative to other positions. If we could pay a QB like Fields a "reasonable" contract, commensurate with his value to the team, say 25 Million a year for 4 years, I would love to build up every other position and win through Defense, a run game, and the occasional chunk play that fields will create. The issue is that QBs are so vastly overpaid now (See Daniel Jones' contract) that a mediocre quarterback is actually worse (in my opinion) than a swing and a miss. For a quarterback to be worth the contract of today, he has to be a top-10 difference maker. He has to be able to carry the team, not the other way around. Given the current state of QB pay, I'd rather build around rookie QBs until we find one that sticks. A quarterback like Burrow or Allen can completely flip the fate of a franchise. Think about those two teams (cincinnati and buffalo) before the arrival of their wunderkind QBs. Now think about them now, their identities flipped in short order - from losers to winners, from laughingstocks to teams that scare everyone (when healthy). That is what I want for the Bears. I am SO tired of losing, especially to the Packers.

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

I'd support that pairing, but I don't know what Kingsbury would think about being second fiddle behind a lame duck HC after he has had HC experience before. I think the Bears will need to find an up and coming OC. Like the passing game coordinator for Miami.

And that’s the issue too - what coordinator would come in knowing Eberfluss is a lame duck coach?

Bears should have just cleaned house and started fresh.

Correct. We all know how next year is going to go. These up and coming coordinators won't have their reputations tarnished in Chicago.

 

[Chreesto]

I like Fields

I'm in full agreement the contract piece hurts long term development of QBs, but I'm hopeful that teams and agents identify this trend and figure something out that works everyone. That might be a few years down the road, but its scary to hear people say Dak Prescott is in line for a $60 mil a year contract.

I'd love to find a QB wunderkind as well, but there is a lot of luck involved in that and the Bears organization hasn't show much stability in development of QBs. I'm for drafting Williams as long as it comes with a new HC.

It seems that the HC decision has been made. I'm hopeful that they can still get an impact OC to guide a new QB. How would you feel if they drafted Williams and added Kliff Kingsbury as OC? I think he is on USC's staff, so he would have some relationship with Williams. He seems like a pretty good Xs and Os guy, maybe he would be a better OC than HC?

I'd support that pairing, but I don't know what Kingsbury would think about being second fiddle behind a lame duck HC after he has had HC experience before. I think the Bears will need to find an up and coming OC. Like the passing game coordinator for Miami.

Yeah, I have no idea if he'd be interested, but I bet a huge contract would at least get him to think about it. I was thinking that maybe an OC job would be right up his alley, as his HC experience may have soured him on the joys of being the main guy. Whether it is Kingsbury or not, my hope is that the Bears start thinking unconventionally about how to get a top-tier offensive mind on this staff. If they can't do that, then I don't think it matters if they draft Caleb Williams. I wouldn't mind if they trade the #1 pick for a huge haul and then take the best QB available at #9 (Bo Nix?) and just have Fields and Nix compete for the job. As long as they don't sign Fields to a huge contract, I wouldn't mind having him on the team for another year.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Sorry but what progress did Fields make this season? I saw no difference from 2022 Fields. How many more chances at the number one pick will we have? You're really willing to stick with mediocrity over a chance at greatness? Do you think Caleb Williams could be that much worse than what Fields is? We have a pretty good setup for a big time prospect. We're not going to take a Williams and plug him into garbage like so many teams are forced to do with rookie qbs.

This is without even mentioning the whole contact status stuff.

 

[flapgreen]

Sorry but what progress did Fields make this season? I saw no difference from 2022 Fields. How many more chances at the number one pick will we have? You're really willing to stick with mediocrity over a chance at greatness? Do you think Caleb Williams could be that much worse than what Fields is? We have a pretty good setup for a big time prospect. We're not going to take a Williams and plug him into garbage like so many teams are forced to do with rookie qbs.

This is without even mentioning the whole contact status stuff.

Who knows

 

[flapgreen]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

 

[Balco]

And it almost feels like Caleb Williams is suffering from “prospect fatigue” - awesome player but he has been the number one pick for so long people starting to decide he has holes in his game that don’t warrant the 1.

 

[Max Power]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

 

[Max Power]

And it almost feels like Caleb Williams is suffering from “prospect fatigue” - awesome player but he has been the number one pick for so long people starting to decide he has holes in his game that don’t warrant the 1.

I feel like its more that his stock was higher in 2022. He went 0-4 against ranked teams this year. People around here seem to think record indicates how good a QB is, so...

 

[Sunday Gravy]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

 

[Max Power]

They fill out the roster for a couple years. Our "starting" LT was drafted after that.

You're telling me that sixth and seventh rounders fill out the roster?

They're lucky if they stick with the team for over a year.

For the bears they do. 5th 6th 7th and undrafted probably make up 1/3 of the offensive unit.

I just looked it up out of curiosity. Its closer to half the offense was 5th rounders or worse. Its 8 on defense.
QB2 Bagent
RB1 Herbert
RB3 Homer
WR2 Mooney
WR4 E.St Brown
WR5 Taylor
WR 6 C. Johnson
TE2 Tonyan
FB1 Blasingame
LT1 B. Jones
Swing T Borom
C1 Patrick
OG3/4 J. Carter

 

[flapgreen]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Major holes? What team is able to draft a top qb and doesn't have major holes? What does that even mean?

There's nothing flawed at all about my argument. They already have a #1 WR and a decent TE. OL isn't great but far from the worst in the league. The defense is solid. The only flawed argument is saying Fields hasn't been given enough to succeed. You get to have a perfect team around you to succeed. Throw in a WR at 9 with Williams or Maye and some OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and you're starting something special. Again, the excuses surrounding the fan guilt Fields lovers is bizarre.

 

[Max Power]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

Early on he looked bad, but his final stretch he cut the turnovers way down. He was making the right reads. He threw 3 INTs his final 7 games. Two were on hail marys. One actually wasn't even caught and the other should have been a TD and a win, but Mooney felt like tossing the ball to the defender.

I feel like the Bears OL is also pretty average. Braxton Jones is good, not great. Wright has a world of potential to be great. Jenkins is a legit guard when healthy, but he can't stay healthy. Davis and Patrick both need to be replaced, but we're stuck with Davis for one more year.

 

[Max Power]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Major holes? What team is able to draft a top qb and doesn't have major holes? What does that even mean?

There's nothing flawed at all about my argument. They already have a #1 WR and a decent TE. OL isn't great but far from the worst in the league. The defense is solid. The only flawed argument is saying Fields hasn't been given enough to succeed. You get to have a perfect team around you to succeed. Throw in a WR at 9 with Williams or Maye and some OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and you're starting something special. Again, the excuses surrounding the fan guilt Fields lovers is bizarre.

This team had plenty of holes. #9 needs to go to DE for someone opposite Sweat. They had the second worse pass rushing the NFL last year. Bottom 3rd in points given up. I also think it's time to move on from Eddie Jackson. Which adds another spot to fill.

We have no second rd pick, so maybe use the third on a center or WR.

Your argument is flawed because you're already assuming a rookie is better than JF when both of the top rookies had ****ty records in college.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

Early on he looked bad, but his final stretch he cut the turnovers way down. He was making the right reads. He threw 3 INTs his final 7 games. Two were on hail marys. One actually wasn't even caught and the other should have been a TD and a win, but Mooney felt like tossing the ball to the defender.

He got shut out by TWO mediocre defenses in division matchups!

 

[flapgreen]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Major holes? What team is able to draft a top qb and doesn't have major holes? What does that even mean?

There's nothing flawed at all about my argument. They already have a #1 WR and a decent TE. OL isn't great but far from the worst in the league. The defense is solid. The only flawed argument is saying Fields hasn't been given enough to succeed. You get to have a perfect team around you to succeed. Throw in a WR at 9 with Williams or Maye and some OL in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and you're starting something special. Again, the excuses surrounding the fan guilt Fields lovers is bizarre.

This team had plenty of holes. #9 needs to go to DE for someone opposite Sweat. They had the second worse pass rushing the NFL last year. Bottom 3rd in points given up. I also think it's time to move on from Eddie Jackson. Which adds another spot to fill.

We have no second rd pick, so maybe use the third on a center or WR.

Your argument is flawed because you're already assuming a rookie is better than JF when both of the top rookies had ****ty records in college.

Again, what team picking at the top of a different doesn't have holes? This is not an argument.

Where did I say an incoming rookie will already be better than Fields and why does that even matter? Now, I need to be concerned about a QBs record in college? None of this makes a bit of sense

And best of luck continuing to focus on using top 10 draft picks on D for the Bears.

 

[flapgreen]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

Early on he looked bad, but his final stretch he cut the turnovers way down. He was making the right reads. He threw 3 INTs his final 7 games. Two were on hail marys. One actually wasn't even caught and the other should have been a TD and a win, but Mooney felt like tossing the ball to the defender.

He got shut out by TWO mediocre defenses in division matchups!

This is complete bizarro world in here.

 

[flapgreen]

OL coach Chris Morgan & TE coach Jim Dray will be on the staff no matter who the offensive coordinator is, according to HC Matt Eberflus

Brilliant!

 

[flapgreen]

Flus gonna bring in Reich or Roman as OC. lol

 

[rockaction]

This is complete bizarro world in here.

But flap, you don't have a pick after Pick 142! There are no sixth and seventh round saviors for you guys this year.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

This is complete bizarro world in here.

But flap, you don't have a pick after Pick 142! There are no sixth and seventh round saviors for you guys this year.

I say we deal all our picks in the first 3 rounds and just load up on rounds 4-7.

 

[Max Power]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

Early on he looked bad, but his final stretch he cut the turnovers way down. He was making the right reads. He threw 3 INTs his final 7 games. Two were on hail marys. One actually wasn't even caught and the other should have been a TD and a win, but Mooney felt like tossing the ball to the defender.

He got shut out by TWO mediocre defenses in division matchups!

That Minnesota gameplan was atrocious. The announcers were laughing at Gesty's playcalling bad. And JF stepped up when needed and made the play late in the 4th.

Green Bay game was bad all around. Offensive line had its worst game of the year and the D didn't make any adjustments.

 

[Max Power]

This is complete bizarro world in here.

But flap, you don't have a pick after Pick 142! There are no sixth and seventh round saviors for you guys this year.

Ok rock. I didn't know that Wilson comment hurt you like that

 

[Max Power]

I'll just let you all go back to everything and everyone sucks convention.

 

[flapgreen]

In a well run business or organization, the leadership is held accountable for who they hire. You don't just get to fire everyone you hired for sucking and not have to take any accountability yourself. Well, the Bears organization isn't well run and never has been. Thus, they just fire the smaller guys they hire who fail and keep the leadership in place. Total dysfunction and zero pride in the product they put on the field. Just empty words about how next year is pivotal year and how they like the culture. Your team has been losing for the majority of the last 40 years. Awesome culture, losers.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

I'll just let you all go back to everything and everyone sucks convention.

You have any reason at all to believe otherwise with this organization?

 

[Sunday Gravy]

The excuses for Bears QBs are never ending. Every argument for every failed qb is always the same. He doesn't have the right pieces around him. That's why he's failing. It's not that he just doesn't have it. It's always the fault of everything else. No accountability for these guys.

Because its a flawed argument. I don't think anyone here is saying Fields is the outright correct answer. People are saying he is improving. The argument comes down to Keep JF and get several additional high level pieces or take Williams and put him on a team that still has major holes...

Do you think Brock Purdy is an MVP with this Bears team?

Why did Caleb Williams regress this year? Why can't Maye win college?

Again... Where did he improve? I watched every snap he took this year. Looked no different than last year. This year might have been worse at times in terms of looking completely LOST in the pocket. No progress at all.

The Bears are good. Better than most teams picking at number one. We are a very nice landing spot for a Williams. Solid line, legit number one WR, legit pass catching TE. Pieces are in place.

Early on he looked bad, but his final stretch he cut the turnovers way down. He was making the right reads. He threw 3 INTs his final 7 games. Two were on hail marys. One actually wasn't even caught and the other should have been a TD and a win, but Mooney felt like tossing the ball to the defender.

He got shut out by TWO mediocre defenses in division matchups!

That Minnesota gameplan was atrocious. The announcers were laughing at Gesty's playcalling bad. And JF stepped up when needed and made the play late in the 4th.

Green Bay game was bad all around. Offensive line had its worst game of the year and the D didn't make any adjustments.

Ahh ok. Fields was a-ok those games. He's the man. I bet a new offense, a top ten wr, AND signing Mike Evans will be exactly what he needs.

 

[ffmail4me]

I think I speak for most Washington fans, enjoy Sweat (he's a beast) and pass on a QB at the 1.1. Seriously, we don't mind if you do.

 

[flapgreen]

Bears had the perfect opportunity to bring the golden boy back home with Harbaugh and build something amazing. But the Bears did what the Bears always do and stick with losers because the McCaskeys are losers and will always be an embarrassment to what Halas built. Miserable sacks

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Bears had the perfect opportunity to bring the golden boy back home with Harbaugh and build something amazing. But the Bears did what the Bears always do and stick with losers because the McCaskeys are losers and will always be an embarrassment to what Halas built. Miserable sacks

I'm just stunned they haven't been prepared to make this move since October. I'll never learn.

 

[flapgreen]

Bears had the perfect opportunity to bring the golden boy back home with Harbaugh and build something amazing. But the Bears did what the Bears always do and stick with losers because the McCaskeys are losers and will always be an embarrassment to what Halas built. Miserable sacks

I'm just stunned they haven't been prepared to make this move since October. I'll never learn.

To have such little pride in the organization blows my mind. Your family helped build the NFL and sacrificed so much to create the Bears organization and to allow them to fail for decades is such an embarrassment to your family name. The spoiled brats couldn't care less.