***Chicago Bears Thread*** Ben Johnson hired. The Resurrection Begins! (11 Viewers)

[Max Power]

Have you considered that you might be hell-bent the other way?

Not at all. I’ve been pretty fair in my evaluation of Fields all season.

Anyone saying he’s inaccurate or hasn’t shown improvement is simply telling me they aren’t actually watching him play and are simply looking at box scores.

God question though. Next!

You haven't been remotely fair at all. Your evaluation is always the same. He was great and everything around him made him look bad.

That post was dead on. He's a tremendous athlete that cannot work in a structured offense. He had zero improvement from year 2 to 3. The evaluation is over. He is what he is. A losing qb that isn't capable of elevating players around him.

Saying there was zero improvement from year 2 to 3 is just flat out incorrect. It's absurd to actually think that.

What players was he supposed to elevate? Moore and Kmet had their best years as pros. Heck he did more with Chase Claypool in 2 weeks than the Dolphins could in 13.

Mooney, Herbert and the OL regression isn't on JF.

It's fine to not like JF and want an upgrade, but when your evaluation isn't honest and lacks nuance people see through it.

He's 10-28 as a starter. He's thrown for over 300 yards in a game once. Superstar qbs don't need every facet of the offense to be perfect for them to look like star qbs. I'll stand by my zero improvement as a passer comment. He looked like the same confused mess in the pocket in year 3 as he did in year 2. He made the same poor decisions and the same inaccurate throws. I appreciate how great a guy/teammate he is and understand his guys going to bat for him. Means nothing. They're emotionally invested in him. I think some posters that don't watch much Bears football are as well.

Again, his record is overstated. Bears tanked 2022 and produced the 32nd ranked D which carried into 23. They set an NFL record for the longest losing streak giving up 25 points or more.

Fields was a mess last year and looked much improved after he called out Getsy this year. The guy threw 1 legitimate interception his last 7 games and should have won against Detroit and Cleveland. Those losses were 100% on coaching.

No he isn't a superstar and will probably never be. If that's your bar, there are only about 3 legitimate superstar QBs in the NFL and only 1 has won a championship. Are you of the opinion Caleb Williams is a superstar level prospect?

 

[Max Power]

They also argued when I said their 22nd ranked OL was trash, saying they were good, so….

Yeah. Anything to blame Fields I guess.

1) I challenge anyone to find a post where I argued about the state of the bears o line. That unit has definitely improved but Patrick and whitehair didn’t belong on the field this year. Total disaster at center.
2) Yes fields has improved since last year (as a passer, not a runner), but not enough. That’s the point. If this were his rookie year, I’d be all for keeping him at a low cost. If they keep him for another year I won’t complain, so long as they draft someone to replace him eventually. What can’t happen, is committing to him without a succession plan. He’s good enough to keep them out of the top 10 draft picks, maybe even while making 50 million. The bears need to be proactive to avoid the purgatory of mediocrity. They gave themselves this opportunity to draft any qb they want, they should take it.

I'm fine with the Bears using the first pick on Caleb. No other QB scenario in this draft interests me.

Fields' next contract concerns me as well.

 

[Chreesto]

They also argued when I said their 22nd ranked OL was trash, saying they were good, so….

Yeah. Anything to blame Fields I guess.

1) I challenge anyone to find a post where I argued about the state of the bears o line. That unit has definitely improved but Patrick and whitehair didn’t belong on the field this year. Total disaster at center.
2) Yes fields has improved since last year (as a passer, not a runner), but not enough. That’s the point. If this were his rookie year, I’d be all for keeping him at a low cost. If they keep him for another year I won’t complain, so long as they draft someone to replace him eventually. What can’t happen, is committing to him without a succession plan. He’s good enough to keep them out of the top 10 draft picks, maybe even while making 50 million. The bears need to be proactive to avoid the purgatory of mediocrity. They gave themselves this opportunity to draft any qb they want, they should take it.

I'm fine with the Bears using the first pick on Caleb. No other QB scenario in this draft interests me.

Fields' next contract concerns me as well.

I think this is where I am too. I was kind of leaning maye, but I’m back to Williams. If the bears traded back to 3 and took Daniels I wouldn’t be too upset. Because I admire the trade that got them here, I’m willing to trust Poles throughout this process.

 

[flapgreen]

I just can’t see Poles trading Fields and going with a rookie even if it’s more than likely the right choice (obviously if they grade Caleb or whoever as a franchise qb.) I can’t see them trading Fields and taking a qb 1. Because it likely means Poles and Eberfluss are goners because there will be growing pains the first year and they can’t afford to have another poor season.

This is such a losers mentality.

 

[flapgreen]

Have you considered that you might be hell-bent the other way?

Not at all. I’ve been pretty fair in my evaluation of Fields all season.

Anyone saying he’s inaccurate or hasn’t shown improvement is simply telling me they aren’t actually watching him play and are simply looking at box scores.

God question though. Next!

You haven't been remotely fair at all. Your evaluation is always the same. He was great and everything around him made him look bad.

That post was dead on. He's a tremendous athlete that cannot work in a structured offense. He had zero improvement from year 2 to 3. The evaluation is over. He is what he is. A losing qb that isn't capable of elevating players around him.

Saying there was zero improvement from year 2 to 3 is just flat out incorrect. It's absurd to actually think that.

What players was he supposed to elevate? Moore and Kmet had their best years as pros. Heck he did more with Chase Claypool in 2 weeks than the Dolphins could in 13.

Mooney, Herbert and the OL regression isn't on JF.

It's fine to not like JF and want an upgrade, but when your evaluation isn't honest and lacks nuance people see through it.

He's 10-28 as a starter. He's thrown for over 300 yards in a game once. Superstar qbs don't need every facet of the offense to be perfect for them to look like star qbs. I'll stand by my zero improvement as a passer comment. He looked like the same confused mess in the pocket in year 3 as he did in year 2. He made the same poor decisions and the same inaccurate throws. I appreciate how great a guy/teammate he is and understand his guys going to bat for him. Means nothing. They're emotionally invested in him. I think some posters that don't watch much Bears football are as well.

Exactly

 

[Balco]

I just can’t see Poles trading Fields and going with a rookie even if it’s more than likely the right choice (obviously if they grade Caleb or whoever as a franchise qb.) I can’t see them trading Fields and taking a qb 1. Because it likely means Poles and Eberfluss are goners because there will be growing pains the first year and they can’t afford to have another poor season.

This is such a losers mentality.

Don’t disagree - Fields has had ample time to show he is a franchise qb. Trade him for whatever you can get and draft Caleb number 1. And if Nabors and MHJR are gone with second number 1, trade down.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Which upcoming FA WRs would fit the best in Chicago?

1. Tee Higgins, Cincinnati Bengals
2. Michael Pittman, Indianapolis Colts
3. Mike Evans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4. Marquise Brown, Arizona Cardinals
5. Calvin Ridley, Jacksonville Jaguars
6. Darnell Mooney, Chicago Bears
7. Tyler Boyd, Cincinnati Bengals
8. Gabriel Davis, Buffalo Bills
9. Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints
10. D.J. Chark, Carolina Panthers

Next up: Odell Beckham Jr. (BAL), Josh Reynolds (DET), Noah Brown (HOU), Curtis Samuel (WSH), Nick Westbrook-Ikhine (TEN), K.J. Osborn (MIN)

I personally like Pittman more than Higgins and would support offering a massive contract to him.

Evans would be an Ideal fit on the other side of Moore, but signing him probably means taking on a year or two at the end where he may no longer being good.

Ridley is interesting. I think he'd be a good WR2. How much he wants would sway my opinion.

Chark, Reynolds, or Noah Brown might interest me in the WR4 role, but it again goes to what the market looks like.

The #9 overall is very much in play for a WR. I think Nabers is off the board by then making Odunze the pick. If Odunze is gone I think Bears have to look D there or trade back.

A fair question is:
If CHI deals Fields, which of those FAs will want to play in Chicago?

I’m assuming Pittman wants to go to a contender, or at the least stick with ARich who looked pretty legit before getting hurt. Chicago seems like a downgrade.

Likewise with Higgins. Evans, Brown, and Ridley.

And with the Chiefs undoubtedly in the mix. CHI is going to be a questionable landing spot.

But again, that has everything to do with what the Bears do with Fields. Gonna be an interesting offseason.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Have you considered that you might be hell-bent the other way?

Not at all. I’ve been pretty fair in my evaluation of Fields all season.

Anyone saying he’s inaccurate or hasn’t shown improvement is simply telling me they aren’t actually watching him play and are simply looking at box scores.

God question though. Next!

You haven't been remotely fair at all. Your evaluation is always the same. He was great and everything around him made him look bad.

That post was dead on. He's a tremendous athlete that cannot work in a structured offense. He had zero improvement from year 2 to 3. The evaluation is over. He is what he is. A losing qb that isn't capable of elevating players around him.

Saying there was zero improvement from year 2 to 3 is just flat out incorrect. It's absurd to actually think that.

What players was he supposed to elevate? Moore and Kmet had their best years as pros. Heck he did more with Chase Claypool in 2 weeks than the Dolphins could in 13.

Mooney, Herbert and the OL regression isn't on JF.

It's fine to not like JF and want an upgrade, but when your evaluation isn't honest and lacks nuance people see through it.

He's 10-28 as a starter. He's thrown for over 300 yards in a game once. Superstar qbs don't need every facet of the offense to be perfect for them to look like star qbs. I'll stand by my zero improvement as a passer comment. He looked like the same confused mess in the pocket in year 3 as he did in year 2. He made the same poor decisions and the same inaccurate throws. I appreciate how great a guy/teammate he is and understand his guys going to bat for him. Means nothing. They're emotionally invested in him. I think some posters that don't watch much Bears football are as well.

Are you of the opinion Caleb Williams is a superstar level prospect?

As a prospect? Absolutely. When he's at his best he really looks like Mahomes. Obviously not as strong an arm. I worry if he's up to it mentally. Can he take big hits and keep coming back?

 

[Max Power]

They also argued when I said their 22nd ranked OL was trash, saying they were good, so….

Yeah. Anything to blame Fields I guess.

1) I challenge anyone to find a post where I argued about the state of the bears o line. That unit has definitely improved but Patrick and whitehair didn’t belong on the field this year. Total disaster at center.
2) Yes fields has improved since last year (as a passer, not a runner), but not enough. That’s the point. If this were his rookie year, I’d be all for keeping him at a low cost. If they keep him for another year I won’t complain, so long as they draft someone to replace him eventually. What can’t happen, is committing to him without a succession plan. He’s good enough to keep them out of the top 10 draft picks, maybe even while making 50 million. The bears need to be proactive to avoid the purgatory of mediocrity. They gave themselves this opportunity to draft any qb they want, they should take it.

I'm fine with the Bears using the first pick on Caleb. No other QB scenario in this draft interests me.

Fields' next contract concerns me as well.

I think this is where I am too. I was kind of leaning maye, but I’m back to Williams. If the bears traded back to 3 and took Daniels I wouldn’t be too upset. Because I admire the trade that got them here, I’m willing to trust Poles throughout this process.

I'd need to do more research on Daniels. He benefited a ton having two elite WRs.

I feel like MHjr would be the better pick at 3.

Bears can always look at QB in 25 as well.

 

[Max Power]

Have you considered that you might be hell-bent the other way?

Not at all. I’ve been pretty fair in my evaluation of Fields all season.

Anyone saying he’s inaccurate or hasn’t shown improvement is simply telling me they aren’t actually watching him play and are simply looking at box scores.

God question though. Next!

You haven't been remotely fair at all. Your evaluation is always the same. He was great and everything around him made him look bad.

That post was dead on. He's a tremendous athlete that cannot work in a structured offense. He had zero improvement from year 2 to 3. The evaluation is over. He is what he is. A losing qb that isn't capable of elevating players around him.

Saying there was zero improvement from year 2 to 3 is just flat out incorrect. It's absurd to actually think that.

What players was he supposed to elevate? Moore and Kmet had their best years as pros. Heck he did more with Chase Claypool in 2 weeks than the Dolphins could in 13.

Mooney, Herbert and the OL regression isn't on JF.

It's fine to not like JF and want an upgrade, but when your evaluation isn't honest and lacks nuance people see through it.

He's 10-28 as a starter. He's thrown for over 300 yards in a game once. Superstar qbs don't need every facet of the offense to be perfect for them to look like star qbs. I'll stand by my zero improvement as a passer comment. He looked like the same confused mess in the pocket in year 3 as he did in year 2. He made the same poor decisions and the same inaccurate throws. I appreciate how great a guy/teammate he is and understand his guys going to bat for him. Means nothing. They're emotionally invested in him. I think some posters that don't watch much Bears football are as well.

Are you of the opinion Caleb Williams is a superstar level prospect?

As a prospect? Absolutely. When he's at his best he really looks like Mahomes. Obviously not as strong an arm. I worry if he's up to it mentally. Can he take big hits and keep coming back?

That's not something a team knows until they see him in action. Bears really have to be sold he is mentally right to take them to the next level.

If they aren't sold, a trade back and run it back with JF makes more sense to me.

 

[flapgreen]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Are we mentally prepared for a Packers-Lions NFC championship?

 

[Statorama]

Are we mentally prepared for a Packers-Lions NFC championship?

Thank goodness this did not come to pass (kinda sorta rooting for DET, they are due)

 

[flapgreen]

Bears are an embarrassment

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Bears are an embarrassment

This was supposed to be the start of the long overdue down cycle for GB. Instead they just outplayed the best team in the NFC on their home field and should have won. Ugh

 

[rockaction]

I almost always come in here to say this, but how about being a Jets fan? We suck so badly on offense that it suffocates the building. 32nd in DVOA (dead last) and nearly any other measure you can conjure.

 

[Max Power]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

Bears ownership isn't great, but the grass isn't always greener. I just look at how Tepper is ruining the Panthers.

I mean please rate this franchises' problems from top down.

 

[Max Power]

I almost always come in here to say this, but how about being a Jets fan? We suck so badly on offense that it suffocates the building. 32nd in DVOA (dead last) and nearly any other measure you can conjure.

I don't think the Jets are in bad shape. Wilson wasn't the right pick. It happens.

Jets can draft D. A healthy Rodgers takes them at least as far as the Texans went. Even Fields on that team takes them wildcard weekend.

Are the Jets bad luck or management? Because I can understand the argument that the Bears management is holding them back

 

[Max Power]

Are we mentally prepared for a Packers-Lions NFC championship?

Thank goodness this did not come to pass (kinda sorta rooting for DET, they are due)

Me too. Nice to see Monty having success as well.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Bears are an embarrassment

This was supposed to be the start of the long overdue down cycle for GB. Instead they just outplayed the best team in the NFC on their home field and should have won. Ugh

The Packers actually developed Jordan Love over the 3 years he sat behind Rodgers. Same with Rodgers behind Favre. They've had the luxury of having solid QB play while the younger players developed. The Bears haven't been so lucky. It makes me wonder if Trubs could have been much better if he had time to develop as a young NFL QB. Same with Fields. Even a full season of holding a clipboard and running the practice squad against the D could be super valuable. The league is so focused on instant success, though, that player development is just out the window except in odd circumstances.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Which upcoming FA WRs would fit the best in Chicago?

1. Tee Higgins, Cincinnati Bengals
2. Michael Pittman, Indianapolis Colts
3. Mike Evans, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
4. Marquise Brown, Arizona Cardinals
5. Calvin Ridley, Jacksonville Jaguars
6. Darnell Mooney, Chicago Bears
7. Tyler Boyd, Cincinnati Bengals
8. Gabriel Davis, Buffalo Bills
9. Michael Thomas, New Orleans Saints
10. D.J. Chark, Carolina Panthers

Next up: Odell Beckham Jr. (BAL), Josh Reynolds (DET), Noah Brown (HOU), Curtis Samuel (WSH), Nick Westbrook-Ikhine (TEN), K.J. Osborn (MIN)

I've been meaning to say Josh Reynolds really impressed me this season. He's got good size and speed. I'd be fine with him as a number 2.

 

[flapgreen]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

Bears ownership isn't great, but the grass isn't always greener. I just look at how Tepper is ruining the Panthers.

I mean please rate this franchises' problems from top down.

It's one of the worst run franchises in the sport over the last 40 years. The grass is greener almost everywhere else.

 

[Max Power]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

Bears ownership isn't great, but the grass isn't always greener. I just look at how Tepper is ruining the Panthers.

I mean please rate this franchises' problems from top down.

It's one of the worst run franchises in the sport over the last 40 years. The grass is greener almost everywhere else.

That's fair. My worry is that our next owner could be David Tepper style.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

Bears ownership isn't great, but the grass isn't always greener. I just look at how Tepper is ruining the Panthers.

I mean please rate this franchises' problems from top down.

It's one of the worst run franchises in the sport over the last 40 years. The grass is greener almost everywhere else.

That's fair. My worry is that our next owner could be David Tepper style.

There aren't many individuals that could outright buy the franchise at its current value. If, one day, the McCaskys decide to sell, it'll likely be a group that buys and those often have less meddling/dabbling by the owners.

 

[Mitchie]

Looks like Shane Waldron as OC

Bears to hire Shane Waldron as new offensive coordinator

 

[Max Power]

Love it

Looks like Shane Waldron as OC

Bears to hire Shane Waldron as new offensive coordinator

!!!!!!!!

 

[Max Power]

Bucs win Super Bowl and lose Brady. Two years later, they're back in the playoffs and winning. Packers lose their long time hall of fame qb again and they're right back at it winning playoff games the very next season. Bears lose for decades and can't make the playoffs with the same QB for multiple years in a row and people think it's because they need more weapons on offense. That ain't the problem, folks!

Bears ownership isn't great, but the grass isn't always greener. I just look at how Tepper is ruining the Panthers.

I mean please rate this franchises' problems from top down.

It's one of the worst run franchises in the sport over the last 40 years. The grass is greener almost everywhere else.

That's fair. My worry is that our next owner could be David Tepper style.

There aren't many individuals that could outright buy the franchise at its current value. If, one day, the McCaskys decide to sell, it'll likely be a group that buys and those often have less meddling/dabbling by the owners.

Yeah it's tough. I don't want this Franchise run by analytics either.

 

[Max Power]

I'll say my two observations from yesterday is that Mike Evans is still a stud.

Chase young is not worth a contract.

 

[rockaction]

Are the Jets bad luck or management?

It starts with the owners. We've had chain of command issues throughout the Johnsons' tenure as owners. It all starts at the top. Our management has been terrible because there's no concrete football plan for the Jets. The Johnsons throw it at the wall and hope it sticks. It hasn't stuck.

 

[rockaction]

I've been meaning to say Josh Reynolds really impressed me this season. He's got good size and speed. I'd be fine with him as a number 2.

Josh Reynolds is not a number two receiver. He is in Detroit, but with L.A. he was barely a WR3, and that was with McVay calling plays, too. Demarcus Robinson stepped into a number three role in L.A. and produced.

That's just my two cents. Reasonable people can disagree. And I like Reynolds, just not as a number two receiver you're counting on.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

I've been meaning to say Josh Reynolds really impressed me this season. He's got good size and speed. I'd be fine with him as a number 2.

Josh Reynolds is not a number two receiver. He is in Detroit, but with L.A. he was barely a WR3, and that was with McVay calling plays, too. Demarcus Robinson stepped into a number three role in L.A. and producted.

That's just my two cents. Reasonable people can disagree. And I like Reynolds, just not as a number two receiver you're counting on.

Detroit's offense is pretty damn good if you haven't noticed. Been watching him all year and have been very impressed.

 

[Max Power]

Are the Jets bad luck or management?

It starts with the owners. We've had chain of command issues throughout the Johnsons' tenure as owners. It all starts at the top. Our management has been terrible because there's no concrete football plan for the Jets. The Johnsons throw it at the wall and hope it sticks. It hasn't stuck.

Yeah but they've at least rolled the dice. Rodgers was a home run cut.

Sanchez and Wilson are failures every team is part of.

 

[Max Power]

I've been meaning to say Josh Reynolds really impressed me this season. He's got good size and speed. I'd be fine with him as a number 2.

Josh Reynolds is not a number two receiver. He is in Detroit, but with L.A. he was barely a WR3, and that was with McVay calling plays, too. Demarcus Robinson stepped into a number three role in L.A. and producted.

That's just my two cents. Reasonable people can disagree. And I like Reynolds, just not as a number two receiver you're counting on.

Detroit's offense is pretty damn good if you haven't noticed. Been watching him all year and have been very impressed.

So are you open to trading down and sticking with JF? MHjr is such an interesting prospect

 

[Sunday Gravy]

I've been meaning to say Josh Reynolds really impressed me this season. He's got good size and speed. I'd be fine with him as a number 2.

Josh Reynolds is not a number two receiver. He is in Detroit, but with L.A. he was barely a WR3, and that was with McVay calling plays, too. Demarcus Robinson stepped into a number three role in L.A. and producted.

That's just my two cents. Reasonable people can disagree. And I like Reynolds, just not as a number two receiver you're counting on.

Detroit's offense is pretty damn good if you haven't noticed. Been watching him all year and have been very impressed.

So are you open to trading down and sticking with JF? MHjr is such an interesting prospect

Ha you know I don't want Fields.

Trade Fields hopefully for a 2nd rounder. Take Caleb at 1 and either wr or the best available pass rusher at 9.

 

[rockaction]

Detroit's offense is pretty damn good if you haven't noticed. Been watching him all year and have been very impressed.

I know that. He hasn't been that productive given how prolific their offense is.

But like I said, reasonable people can disagree. I just don't think if you polled GMs about a number two WR that the name "Josh Reynolds" would be tripping off their tongues.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Glad this got done fairly quickly.

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[InDitkaWeTrust]

Glad this got done fairly quickly.

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Good hire. Now let's do DC.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

I've heard two long interviews with Seattle guys now and man they are not saying good things about Waldron. The guy on the Score yesterday afternoon just hammered him.

 

[flapgreen]

They actually hired someone that I like. We'll see where that goes

 

[flapgreen]

Seahawks passing game coordinator Sanjay Lal interviewed today with Bears for offensive staff position.

Lal was with new OC Shane Waldron in SEA and is known for WR expertise

D.K. Metcalf: "‘He pushed me to be a great receiver. Broke down routes like I've never heard before"

 

[Grahamburn]

I doubt that, after his third year, he becomes a great passer

Statements like this, for example.

He showed that he could be a great passer. He did it this year.

Look at DJM’s numbers, for example.

But wide open drops don’t show up in the box score. Time and time again, Fields stayed on script, made a check-down, and hit his man. But a ball has to be caught for it to show up positively in the box score.

The Bears had the 4th fewest drops in the NFL with just 19 recorded on the season. Keep fighting the good fight though. .

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Seahawks passing game coordinator Sanjay Lal interviewed today with Bears for offensive staff position.

Lal was with new OC Shane Waldron in SEA and is known for WR expertise

D.K. Metcalf: "‘He pushed me to be a great receiver. Broke down routes like I've never heard before"

Some of the complaints about Waldron were that he didn't get enough out of Metcalf.

 

[Sunday Gravy]

Harbaugh to the Chargers makes me want to puke.

 

[flapgreen]

Harbaugh to the Chargers makes me want to puke.

So ridiculous

 

[Max Power]

Raiders are going to Interview Getsy for OC

 

[Max Power]

I have to say I'm digging the trade idea of Fields and #9 to NE for #3. Getting Williams and MHjr.

 

[Chreesto]

I have to say I'm digging the trade idea of Fields and #9 to NE for #3. Getting Williams and MHjr.

Would New England really do this? I think it would be a bold move for the Bears. It would certainly get me excited for the season, not certain, though, that trading up should be their philosophy in this draft. I know we always overestimate the ease of trading down, but there are a lot of talented receivers in this draft. If the big three are gone at #9, I would rather see them trade down towards the end of the first and try to grab 2 of them from the group of Tez Walker, Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman, Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Legette. I really like how Green Bay has gone about drafting WRs the last two years, now they have an abundance of young talent.

 

[Max Power]

I have to say I'm digging the trade idea of Fields and #9 to NE for #3. Getting Williams and MHjr.

Would New England really do this? I think it would be a bold move for the Bears. It would certainly get me excited for the season, not certain, though, that trading up should be their philosophy in this draft. I know we always overestimate the ease of trading down, but there are a lot of talented receivers in this draft. If the big three are gone at #9, I would rather see them trade down towards the end of the first and try to grab 2 of them from the group of Tez Walker, Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman, Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Legette. I really like how Green Bay has gone about drafting WRs the last two years, now they have an abundance of young talent.

I don't think NE would really be that interested, but a lot would boil down to what they think of Maye or Daniels. If they rate JF at the same level as they do whoever is left and they still get a top 10 pick in the trade, I think they consider it. It puts JF's value at a mid-second on the trade value chart. They can walk out of the first round with Daniels or Fields and Odunze/LT.

My biggest concern with WRs later in the draft is that I don't think Poles knows how to evaluate WR talent well enough. GB might be the best in the business at it. Poles has spent 4 draft picks on WRs and has nothing to show for it.

2022 3rd - Velus Jones - Horrible pick at the time
2023 2nd - Claypool - I think this was not doing his homework well
2023 4th - Tyler Scott - I liked the pick at the time, but have been underwhelmed so far
2023 7th - K'Neal Harry - I was ok with this swing, but Harry is not an NFL player.

 

[Max Power]

I also forgot we brought in Bryan Pringle to be our starting slot last year. He turned into the #6 WR on the Commanders.

 

[Chreesto]

I have to say I'm digging the trade idea of Fields and #9 to NE for #3. Getting Williams and MHjr.

Would New England really do this? I think it would be a bold move for the Bears. It would certainly get me excited for the season, not certain, though, that trading up should be their philosophy in this draft. I know we always overestimate the ease of trading down, but there are a lot of talented receivers in this draft. If the big three are gone at #9, I would rather see them trade down towards the end of the first and try to grab 2 of them from the group of Tez Walker, Brian Thomas, Keon Coleman, Adonai Mitchell and Xavier Legette. I really like how Green Bay has gone about drafting WRs the last two years, now they have an abundance of young talent.

I don't think NE would really be that interested, but a lot would boil down to what they think of Maye or Daniels. If they rate JF at the same level as they do whoever is left and they still get a top 10 pick in the trade, I think they consider it. It puts JF's value at a mid-second on the trade value chart. They can walk out of the first round with Daniels or Fields and Odunze/LT.

My biggest concern with WRs later in the draft is that I don't think Poles knows how to evaluate WR talent well enough. GB might be the best in the business at it. Poles has spent 4 draft picks on WRs and has nothing to show for it.

2022 3rd - Velus Jones - Horrible pick at the time
2023 2nd - Claypool - I think this was not doing his homework well
2023 4th - Tyler Scott - I liked the pick at the time, but have been underwhelmed so far
2023 7th - K'Neal Harry - I was ok with this swing, but Harry is not an NFL player.

Your point about evaluating WR talent is a very good one. So I guess that could mean take the consensus #1 (MHJr) or take a bunch of picks and hope one of them hits? Either way, I'm suddenly less optimistic.