twistd
Footballguy
For a player who is younger, more athletic, and has more upside.Steelers just signed Eric Ebron, 2 years 12 million. IE- 2 million less than the Bears gave Graham.
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***Chicago Bears Thread*** Poles is playing 5D chess! (8 Viewers)
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Worst movie ever was dramatic. But he most definitely got fleeced. It's not about them maybe getting a starter. The Bears gave up a high pick for a guy a team was trying to get rid of. He got fleeced. He's a mark by the league. Make no mistake
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I applaud you for admitting that. The truth is nobody knows until they know. If it had worked out everyone would be praising him. It clearly didn't and he looks like a fool for not only trading up one spot to take Mitch but passing on Patrick/Deshaun. He was aggressive because he had to have his guy and I respect that. It just didn't work out unfortunately. The Bears roster is talented enough to win, just need to solve that almighty position.
The O Line is the most important thing for them to address and so far they haven't done squat. It doesn't matter who they sign on offense because they can't block anyone. Long was a shell of himself last year because of injuries and the rest of the line seemed to fall apart. I think Daniels was their only consistent O lineman last season. If Pace doesn't address this soon through both the draft and free agency than should be fired.
flapgreen
Footballguy
None of that has anything to do with Pace giving up far more than was necessary for the guy he wanted. He's terrible at being disciplined. The rest of the league sees it.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Pace is the GM. The success or failure of the team falls on him. So far, he's failed. But it's the Bears so I'm sure they're stoked with mediocrity. This is coming from a fan who's been a Pace supporter through years of mostly losing. I'm done with him now. I've seen enough.
(Discipline) Yet, you're a model of emotional stability. lol
You don't know the offers from other clubs. But we do know that Cinci was asking a 2 for Dalton....That means Foles was cheaper in contract and draft picks.
The GM holds the success and failure of an entire team?
You can shop for all the right groceries and then not cook them right....let them rot....not let them get ripe...etc.
You're so fing dramatic
flapgreen
Footballguy
You're comparing meatheads discussing football on the internet to a guy making millions running one of the most valuable organizations in the country. What does what the Bengals supposed asking price of their backup qb have to do with what Pace gave up for the Jags backup qb who they wanted to get rid of? This is a totally irrational discussion. It was just another example of Pace giving up too much for a player when he had all the leverage. Still multiple qbs available that would serve the same purpose as Foles. Pace jumped the gun again and got handled. Most of these GMs study each other. They know who they can get over on and who they can't. It's not hard to see that.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Here we go with the dramatic thing. It's an internet forum, guy. That's how it works. Good luck selling Pace keeping his job by blaming the people he signed and hired.
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I've seen your posts on here and Twitter....it's all the same thing. Yelling, swearing, condescending....congratulations, you're making the world a worse place.
Pace doesn't develop the talent....all GM's are right and wrong. Remember the Cameron Meredith situation and how he botched that....oh wait. How about Bryce Callahan?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Ryan Pace does one thing very well. Each off-season, he attacks the biggest weakness. He doesn't sit on his hands.
2020:
QB Nick Foles
2019:
-offensive weapons and kicking situation. Enter Montgomery, Mike Davis, Patterson, Ridley. Got rid of a cancer kicker for the locker room and tried out many many kickers. I'd also say he did a fine job replacing Amos/Callahan with HHCD/Skrine. It was a downgrade, but much cheaper.
2018:
Playmakers. Enter Khalil Mack, Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Trey Burton, Taylor Gabriel.
2020:
QB Nick Foles
2019:
-offensive weapons and kicking situation. Enter Montgomery, Mike Davis, Patterson, Ridley. Got rid of a cancer kicker for the locker room and tried out many many kickers. I'd also say he did a fine job replacing Amos/Callahan with HHCD/Skrine. It was a downgrade, but much cheaper.
2018:
Playmakers. Enter Khalil Mack, Allen Robinson, Anthony Miller, Trey Burton, Taylor Gabriel.
This has been my biggest disappointment of the off-season. They need to bring in a few vet OL, even if the plan is to address OL in the draft.
Bears sign OLB/Special Teamer Barkevious Mingo to a one year contract.
He played for Pagano on the Colts, former #6 overall pick from LSU.
Didn't see the terms but if he came cheap its an interesting pick up. Quality STer that adds depth on a D-line that could be remarkable.
He played for Pagano on the Colts, former #6 overall pick from LSU.
Didn't see the terms but if he came cheap its an interesting pick up. Quality STer that adds depth on a D-line that could be remarkable.
I'd argue that the main purpose of Artie Burns and Barkevious Mingo is to play special teams.
Mingo's deal is 1 year for 1.187 million with .887k guaranteed. He played 75% of special team snaps last season.
The Jordan Lucas signing is growing on me....I might not mind him starting opposite Eddie.
Burns, Lucas, Quinn, Mingo all are high end athletes at their positions. Maybe that's the new direction of the defense...also maybe why they chose Danny T over Nick K.
The Tick
Footballguy
We never were going to address the OL besides signing a Guard and a draft pick. All those mediocre guys on the line are signed to contracts that make them pretty impossible to replace this year. I think we can look to replace Leno next year.
millertyme1
Footballguy
Love when someone says Foles lacks upside.
He won the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP 2 years ago
He won the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP 2 years ago
twistd
Footballguy
He had a magical eight games. The rest of the time he has been a solid back up QB. That is who he is. Last year he couldn’t beat out the sixth round rookie. He has had his opportunities to start, and other than that magical period in 2018, he has not been very good.millertyme1 said:Love when someone says Foles lacks upside.
He won the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP 2 years ago
Ifedi on a one-year deal. Gross
The guards available at #43 and #50 are not great. Muti is the highest upside guy but a huge injury risk (Achilles and Lisfranc already). With Leno/Massie contracts, doubt we take a tackle.
Maybe grab best available CB or safety, and trade down with one of those picks.
The guards available at #43 and #50 are not great. Muti is the highest upside guy but a huge injury risk (Achilles and Lisfranc already). With Leno/Massie contracts, doubt we take a tackle.
Maybe grab best available CB or safety, and trade down with one of those picks.
To me this is just plain stupid! I would rather they used the money they used to sign Graham. While TE is a big need (I hate the Graham signing) nothing happens on offense without a competent O line. If they weren't going to throw big money at Austin Hooper than they should have waited. Heck I would rather have a 40 year old Jason Witten than Graham and they could have saved a ton of money. Graham must have pictures that he is using to blackmail Ryan Pace from his days with the Saints because I think they paid about $10 million more than any other NFL team would have.
There should be some bargain O linemen that they can bring in to compete now that most of the big names have signed.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
Is this really what happened? Foles only played in 4 games last year, He got hurt right away in week 1 and while I don't remember the games, stats were fine in week 11 and 12. He got benched in week 13 because the season was lost and they wanted to evaluate Minshew.
I think there is a narrative that he was bad with the Jags. The Jags were a bad team and he barely played. They signed him to a bad contract. I agree that solid back up is probably who he is, but I don't think we learned anything from last year.
ZWK
Footballguy
Foles was worse than Minshew last year according to every summary number that I've seen (DVOA, QBR, PFF grade, ANY/A, etc.), late in the season when they were both healthy the Jags chose to start Minshew over Foles, and this offseason they chose to keep Minshew and trade away Foles. I think that counts as Foles getting beat out by Minshew.
twistd
Footballguy
https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/26/free-agency-grading-chicago-bears-signing-offensive-lineman-germain-ifedi/
I missed that the Bears signed an offensive lineman last week. Germain Ifedi at least was a starter for the Seahawks who could compete. I don't really remember Ifedi when I watched the Seahawks but he appears to be one of the most penalized players so I probably so him flagged a few times. I will call this a good signing because he was cheap and fills an immediate need as either a starter or a backup. He should be motivated because the deal is only for 1 year. Ifedi pretty much started every game since he was drafted so he at least he was probably better than the other crap Seattle had behind him and they could at least run the ball well. Can you really consider a late round 4 year starter a bust like the article says or is he just a disappointment because he hasn't been great (Just trying to find a reason for optimism
)? At least we signed Ponce De Leon (Jimmy Graham).
I missed that the Bears signed an offensive lineman last week. Germain Ifedi at least was a starter for the Seahawks who could compete. I don't really remember Ifedi when I watched the Seahawks but he appears to be one of the most penalized players so I probably so him flagged a few times. I will call this a good signing because he was cheap and fills an immediate need as either a starter or a backup. He should be motivated because the deal is only for 1 year. Ifedi pretty much started every game since he was drafted so he at least he was probably better than the other crap Seattle had behind him and they could at least run the ball well. Can you really consider a late round 4 year starter a bust like the article says or is he just a disappointment because he hasn't been great (Just trying to find a reason for optimism
)? At least we signed Ponce De Leon (Jimmy Graham).
flapgreen
Footballguy
The Foles trade looks much better now that the numbers are in. Bears didn't take on much at all. Very cheap.
2020: $4 million base salary, $4 million signing bonus.
2021: $4 million base salary, $4 million roster bonus.
2022: $4 million base salary, $4 million roster bonus.
2020: $4 million base salary, $4 million signing bonus.
2021: $4 million base salary, $4 million roster bonus.
2022: $4 million base salary, $4 million roster bonus.
Travis the Chimp
Footballguy
Well what is the right side right now? I can’t remember who finished up at RG. Are we still dealing with Massie at RT? We need a whole new right side.https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/26/free-agency-grading-chicago-bears-signing-offensive-lineman-germain-ifedi/
I missed that the Bears signed an offensive lineman last week. Germain Ifedi at least was a starter for the Seahawks who could compete. I don't really remember Ifedi when I watched the Seahawks but he appears to be one of the most penalized players so I probably so him flagged a few times. I will call this a good signing because he was cheap and fills an immediate need as either a starter or a backup. He should be motivated because the deal is only for 1 year. Ifedi pretty much started every game since he was drafted so he at least he was probably better than the other crap Seattle had behind him and they could at least run the ball well. Can you really consider a late round 4 year starter a bust like the article says or is he just a disappointment because he hasn't been great (Just trying to find a reason for optimism
Travis the Chimp
Footballguy
Love when someone says Foles lacks upside.
He won the Super Bowl and Super Bowl MVP 2 years ago
Somebody in here said he’s the same as Case Keenum. BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
That is still a fine thought and maneuver... its the determination of talent that is fubard.
He played 11 snaps in the first game and got hurt, and 27 snaps in the last game and replaced by the rookie. Thats less than 3 full games total.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
He could be as good as Trent Dilfer if he puts it all together this year.
The season was over and they liked Minshew enough to want to see more. Currently the Jags have the lowest cap hit in the NFL at the QB position. If Minshew is even serviceable, they are sitting pretty. The Bears had the opposite problem.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Mitch is a really good guy and a hard worker. Just sucks he cant process the game fast enough.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm actually surprised by this release. I thought they might go 2-TE heavy with Burton and Graham. Oh well, any time you can cut a decent player, because you just signed an expensive, much crappier one, you've got to do it.
Burton is probably a great sneaky signing for a team as a #2 TE, or a #1 on a team with a loaded WR group. Basically somewhere where he isn't a top-3 target. Health was bigger issue than talent in my opinion.
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